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A Doctor Who Podcast by Eric Grissom and Dan Johnson that started off reviewing the classic era. That’s right, this is the good stuff. Hartnell, Troughton, Pertwee, Baker, Davison, the other Baker, and McCoy. Maybe even McGann. We did that for over 8 years. These days, we've been reviewing the new stuff.
Doctor Who: Tales of the Tardis - The Three Doctors REACTION
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Doctor Who: Sontarans vs. Rutans - In Name Only - Review and Discussion - Big Finish
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Dan and Eric close the book on the final Sontarans vs. the Rutans audio story. It's our review of IN NAME ONLY. The Old Doctor Who Show is hosted by Dan Johnson and Eric Grissom. Follow TODWS Web: www.theolddoctorwhoshow.com/ Instagram: todwshow Twitter: x.com/TODWShow TikTok: www.tiktok.com/@Todwshow Follow Dan Instagram: danjnj Twitter: x.com/danjnj Follow Eric W...
Doctor Who SEASON ONE - REVIEW and DISCUSSION - What we liked, What we didn't, and more.
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Dan is Back! And we are looking back at this season of Doctor Who. Plus we read some viewer mail. 00:00:00 - Intro 00:01:50 - Dan reviews Legend of Ruby Sunday 00:04:15 - Dan reviews Empire of Death 00:24:17 - Mrs. Flood! 00:32:40 - Season One Recap / Review 00:47:39 - Viewer Mail 01:10:00 - "Why Sutekh Isn't Sutekh, but Death Itself" - x.com/instonveevinder/status/1804534355261354186 01:12:28 ...
DOCTOR WHO: EMPIRE OF DEATH FINALE! Review! Reaction! (Mental) Breakdown!
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Eric is riding solo again and it looks like he's starting to come apart at the seams. Find out what he thought of the Doctor Who season finale, EMPIRE OF DEATH! 00:00:00 - Intro / Correction 00:02:34 - Empire of Death Review The Old Doctor Who Show is hosted by Dan Johnson and Eric Grissom. Follow TODWS Web: www.theolddoctorwhoshow.com/ Instagram: / todwshow Twitter: x.com/TODWShow TikTok: / to...
Legend of Ruby Sunday - Review! Reaction! Time Traveling Whales!
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Dan is somewhere in time, so Eric has to navigate this one alone. Get ready for wild tangents, insane specualtion, and more than a few references. It’s our (his) review of the Doctor Who penultimate episode, THE LEGEND OF RUBY SUNDAY 00:00:00 - Intro 00:01:10 - Review of The Legend of Ruby Sunday #DoctorWho #RubySunday The Old Doctor Who Show is hosted by Dan Johnson and Eric Grissom. Follow TO...
Doctor Who : Rogue Review, Reaction, and Total Breakdown - TODWS #159
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Dan and Eric are talking ROGUE. Plus a shout out to the Radio Times, CHUD, and more. 00:00:00 - Intro 00:03:14 - Radio Times Shoutout 00:06:44 - Rogue Review 01:09:40 - Viewer Mail 01:21:20 - Eric sells some books The Old Doctor Who Show is hosted by Dan Johnson and Eric Grissom. Follow TODWS Web: www.theolddoctorwhoshow.com/ Instagram: todwshow Twitter: x.com/TODWShow TikTok: ww...
Doctor Who : Dot and Bubble Review, Reaction, and Breakdown - Did we like it?
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Doctor Who : Dot and Bubble Review, Reaction, and Breakdown - Did we like it?
DOCTOR WHO : 73 Yards as Metaphor - Interpretations, discssion and review - TODWS 157
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DOCTOR WHO : 73 Yards as Metaphor - Interpretations, discssion and review - TODWS 157
DOCTOR WHO BOOM REVIEW (Spoilers) - TODWS #156
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DOCTOR WHO BOOM REVIEW (Spoilers) - TODWS #156
DOCTOR WHO: SPACE BABIES b/w THE DEVIL's CHORD - SPOILER REVIEW!
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Doctor Who: Born to Die (Spoiler) Review, Sontarans vs. Rutans Part 3
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Doctor Who: Born to Die (Spoiler) Review, Sontarans vs. Rutans Part 3
DOCTOR WHO - SEASON 1 Trailer 2 - REACTION
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DOCTOR WHO - SEASON 1 Trailer 2 - REACTION
Doctor Who: Children of the Future (Spoiler) Review, Sontarans vs. Rutans Part 2
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Doctor Who: Children of the Future (Spoiler) Review, Sontarans vs. Rutans Part 2
DOCTOR WHO - SEASON 1 Trailer - REACTION
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DOCTOR WHO - SEASON 1 Trailer - REACTION
Doctor Who: Tales of the Tardis - Vengeance on Varos REACTION
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Doctor Who: Tales of the Tardis - Vengeance on Varos REACTION
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Doctor Who: Tales of the Tardis - MIND ROBBER reaction
TODWS: DUNE PART TWO : Spoiler Review
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TODWS: DUNE PART TWO : Spoiler Review
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Doctor Who: Tales of the Tardis - EARTHSHOCK reaction
Interview w/ Doctor Who actor Conrad Westmaas - Eighth doctor companion C'rizz - LIVE from the BFI!
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Interview w/ Doctor Who actor Conrad Westmaas - Eighth doctor companion C'rizz - LIVE from the BFI!
Millie Gibson leaving Doctor Who? What happens to Ruby?
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Millie Gibson leaving Doctor Who? What happens to Ruby?
Doctor Who: The Battle of Giant's Causeway Review, Sontarans vs. Rutans Part 1
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DOCTOR WHO: Leela vs. The Time War / The Final Battle / Season 15 Trailer Reaction
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DOCTOR WHO: Leela vs. The Time War / The Final Battle / Season 15 Trailer Reaction
DOCTOR WHO: Mrs. Flood & The Ruptured Timeline
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DOCTOR WHO: Mrs. Flood & The Ruptured Timeline
Who is Mrs. Flood? - Doctor Who Theory - Beware of Spoilers
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Who is Mrs. Flood? - Doctor Who Theory - Beware of Spoilers
Doctor Who: The Church on Ruby Road - Christmas Special 2023
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Doctor Who: The Church on Ruby Road - Christmas Special 2023
Doctor Who: The Giggle Review - 60th Anniversary Special #3!
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Watching this when it aired - it was a huge shock (pun intended) with the Cybermen back after so long. I think the ending traumatised 11 year old me.
Iv heard from so many fans who were completely devastated as kids.
I think it was Jon pertwee saying oh Jo or suppose to be
Ah. I was thinking it was her husband , but Pertwee also makes sense. I wonder if it’s definitively said somewhere.
Bonus TODWShow & bonus points - that was Prof Cliff Jones from The Green Death (the late Stewart Bevan & Katy were an item once & remained friends) ❤ czcams.com/video/8WBpPWy7jB8/video.htmlsi=0ztX6zWp5_reRNBF
Amazing! I thought it was him, but I did not know they were an item or that he has passed on. That incredibly sweet. Love they added that -EG
Congratulations on the new book. Hope it does well. Don’t have much to say about the actual episode. Listened to it when it came out but have since forgotten most of it other than a vague memory of liking it. Don’t know anything about the War Doctor but guess it must have been alright, but hasnt made me want to go check out more War Doctor stories. If you are looking for other stories to review I do have a couple suggestions. There are two BBC audio stories from the 90’s (well before big finish was a thing), where Jon Pertwee, Elizabeth Sladen and Nicholas Courtney all reprise their roles for two full stories, The Paradise of Death and The Ghosts of N-Space. They are excellent, especially ghosts. My other suggestion would be The Lost Stories big finish range. These are stories that were written, either full script or just an outline, back in the day but not used for whatever reason. Gives them a great classic who feel. There’s also a website called TheTimeScales which is very useful for searching through and rating the plethora of Dr Who content and you might find useful. Looking forward to seeing what you do next.
Thank you!! Appreciate the words about the book. Those suggestions sounds great. They streaming for free on CZcams or are they sold like Big Finish?
@@theolddoctorwhoshow No worries. I have the first volume Goblin, but it is currently in a worryingly long list of to-be-reads atm and I'm on a stricty No More Buy Til Read More policy, but sure I will get to it. So the 3rd Doctor, Sarah Jane Smith, Brigadier BBC audios are nothing to do with Big Finish, they are written by Barry Letts (3rd Doctor writer and producer) and made by BBC Radio. They are both on youtube, but a little cut up and with horrible slide show tacked onto them. However they are both available in all their glory on the internet archive as abandoned media. I will add the links in an additional reply. The Lost Stories is made by big finish and the first series, Colin Baker's missing seriesthat was replaced by Trial of a Timelord after the hiatus and shortened episode count, is free on spotify. The rest you'd have to pay for, although I would recommend Series 2 which has Sylvester McCoy's missing series 27 (written before the show was cancelled), as well as Tom Bakers Foe from the Future and Hartnell's Farewell, Great Macedon which are wonderful stand outs. You can find some of them on here on youtube but as Big Finish still sell them I won't link to them. Edit, for some reason it wont let me add another reply, so hear are the links: czcams.com/video/o6LxOZ2Jyew/video.html&ab_channel=TheIanLevineArchive czcams.com/video/BjOPvqUeWC4/video.html&ab_channel=TheIanLevineArchive or: archive.org/details/doctorwhoparadiseofdeath_20200404 archive.org/details/doctor-who-the-ghosts-of-n-space
Your love for this episode means I am subscribing!! I loved it. And am absolutely good with not getting all the answers although I confess I thought we'd find out a bit more than we did. But I love hearing the theories!
Me, too. It was such a high point for me and I hope next season we see more stories like that. Thanks for checking out the show and subscribing! -EG
37:30 (ish) - the Twelfth Doctor plays the opening theme on guitar in Before the Flood
That’s a good point. I was probably reading way too much into things.
The ONLY things I'm certain about for current who are that Mel will eventually reveal herself as the Rani in disguise (again) and that Rogue is a freaking C.H.U.D. I am going to miss doing all of the tin foil hat theories for next season, but it kinda burned me this time around for how much time I actually chose to invest thinking about it. Maybe Joy To The World will do what it says on the box! Fingers crossed.
We are all the Rani.
Boom was the only one I found to be good Who, I have criticisms about even that but all the others have issues so large I couldn't enjoy them at all. I really don't understand how people can praise 73 yards that much, you can't build an entire episode up on the mysteries, explicitly state very tanginble details and numbers which you should be focused on and then.... nothing. I guess you guys prefer the ride to the destination?
I felt that it was a wonderful use of science fiction as metaphor for feelings of abandonment. And so it had profound meaning for me. We speak at more length in our 73 yard review. -EG
I mean it’s not really science fiction as no potential science is offered up to explain the episode - infact even your usual science fiction elements like the tardis, screwdriver and time travelling alien aren’t present. The challenge of working a metaphor or political commentary into science fiction is making a cohesive story that someone not looking at it on that level would still understand. If you remove that requirement it’s the easiest thing in the world. But glad you enjoyed it, I was until the end when it became obvious RTD hadn’t bothered thinking of an explanation.
They mention the effect of the tardis and its perception filter in the scene with Kate and Ruby and so if you needed some element to hang your hat on, it could be that. When you get down to it, it 's certainly not hard science fiction and something more like science fantasty. or space fantasy, or some other combination of words that checks whatever boxes need checking. More Star Wars than Star Trek. I don't agree that art as metaphor requires explanation. You can have fantastic science fiction stories that are ambigious or surreal. Tarkovsky's Solaris, or even Stalker could be seen as a science fiction film. The ending of 2001 a Space Oddyssey is intentionall ambigous. You can come up with explanations as to what's happening and why, and base them on science for that matter, but it's open to inerpretation and its not fed to you through dialog or exposition. I think the book goes into more detail, but I'm talking specifically about the film. Also for what it's worth, creating art is not easy, in ANY form, let alone creating something that connects with someone. It's all subjective, and so what works for me, may not work for you. I walked away disliking most of this season, but I've seen other people love it. Doesn't make them wrong or me right. It just is.
But all of those examples are standalone, you’re not bringing a universe with you. Besides it’s not being ambiguous that’s the issue, Listen was ambiguous and the better for it. Either explanation works, but here no explanation works. To make matters worse this was pitched as a mystery throughout - and one of the joys of the show is predicting them what those hints mean. As a continuing serial now every single time the show presents a mystery you have to entertain the possibility that there’s just no explanation - so not only does it ruin the episode for me personally but it has a detrimental effect on enjoyment of future episodes. And that wasn’t just this episode; Ruby’s reveal may work on an emotional level but a huge number of things that don’t make sense were presented - so it’s a double whammy against any writer who opts to write any mysteries into the show in the future - if any writer ever gets that chance. With these ratings and RTD writing 10/12 episodes it may be a non issue.
I think you can explain the story using what’s there. One interpretation of that story is this: In the main timeline the TARDIS lands on a section of ground that contains a magic fairy circle. When the circle is broken, Ruby is cursed to live out a life haunted by her worst fears. Because the TARDIS has a perception filter, it manifests those fears into something Ruby can “see.” When this happens a new timeline is created where Ruby’s fear of abandonment becomes her reality. She is alone and everyone will leave her. She convinces herself that the key to all of this is to stop the prime minister. When she succeeds, however, nothing changes. It is not until much later in her life, at the moment of her own death, that she comes to the revelation that she was never alone - she always had herself. She realizes that the person she had been seeing was her. The TARDIS perception filter not only made her fears visible, but her inner strength, too. Once she conquers her fear, the spell is broken and she is returned to the main timeline just before the Doctor breaks the circle and all of this started. This time they don’t break the circle and the 73 Yards timeline is closed. Ruby continues in the main timeline (where the Doctor had defeated the prime minister).
You can not see a sign, but then again she did not point, the pointing was a false memory of the Doctors. His false memory obviously caused a glitch in the window so, so was the sign. There are many other things you mentioned that I could go through and some I cant, but it would be tiring.
But if the time window is based off memory, and memory is flawed and susceptible to “false memories,” why on earth, or gallifrey for that matter, would the Doctor use it? Nothing about it would be reliable. I imagine this is part of a bigger theory of yours which I’d be curious to know. I don’t remember them hinting at the pointing be false.
@@theolddoctorwhoshow He literally said his memory of it was changing. At the end of the day I enjoyed it for it was entertainment.
I’m glad to hear you enjoyed it.
I'm still convinced the woman in Empire was put there for fans to think "maybe she's Susan"... or "maybe she's Ruby's mother!"
The woman with the baby?
That was definitely the point of the casting reveal. We saw "kind woman" on the cast list and everybody was like "it's her mom!!!!!" But then it was just somebody with extra silverware and a dead baby
@@theolddoctorwhoshow yes.
Ruby Sunday will be in a few episodes of season 2. The Mrs. Flood mystery will supposedly be revealed next season. The female soldier from Boom is the new companion... the actress, I mean.
This is interesting… I knew about the Xmas special, but not that she’d be in season 2
@@theolddoctorwhoshowthere is a video of Russell TDavies saying that her storyline done she's taking a little break but she will be back and there will be two female companions on the tardis when she returns in season 2
For me there was some GREAT (Boom, 73 Yards, Rouge) episodes. I disagree with Eric i think Space Babies was bad but Empire of Death was offensive. I would rather a throw away bad episode than something that makes me annoyed to have invested so much thought, time and theories into it.
That’s a good point.
Yup.
This video says it right. I see Disney fingerprints all over this. Same way Star Wars is broken. None of this makes sense.
Oh Eric. You seem so broken at about 23 mins in. But i get it, i think you voiced all the things i had issues with in my podcast review. Because im an eternal optimist (or incredibly stupid) i hold a remaining vestige of hope that the next season will clear up a lot of seemingly stupid from this episode. I think 73 Yards is still my favourite from the season, but a lot of this really fell at the last hurdle.
73 Yards is by far my favorite. I watched the finale again after I did this, and my thoughts didn’t change much, but there are a couple of things that may evolve into something more interesting.
@theolddoctorwhoshow I hope so, I really do. It doesn't make me yearn for the next series though, I'm not wishing the time away in anticipation.
Melanie Bush rehabilitated totally. I want more Bonnie.
Absolutely!
If you watch Church on Ruby Road... THERE WAS NO SIGN ANYWHERE NEAR THE TARDIS
I’m gonna rewatch it before Dan and I do our season recap… I can’t say I’m surprised to hear that. -eg
Yeah I guess 4th wall breaking has been in the show since An Unearthly Child. Hartnell did it a bunch. It really felt like they were playing it up to a payoff this season, but I guess not.
This felt more deliberate than the ones on the past. Especially, the Maestro’s playing of the Doctor Who theme. I do hope it amounts to something… eventually.
@theolddoctorwhoshow I felt the same way when The Doctor said "I thought that was non diagetic". That seemed much farther out of the norm than Hartnell saying merry Christmas or "it doesn't have to make sense"
Its an interesting theory. I think this season had a lot more to do with the juxtaposition of different queer experiences and exploring a familys role in your life.
I like that. This season had some serious highs for me (73 Yards), but also some crushing lows. I guess in the end that’s better than if it got no reaction out of me.
Rassilon was exiled by Capaldi. He previously broke the fourth wall, narrating The End Of Time... Mrs Flood. Seeing the Tardis dematerialise, woke her from a chameleon arch
One curious aspect of Mrs Flood is how she’s been dressing like past companions.
@@theolddoctorwhoshow interesting!
Yes, sir & ma'am, are counterparts in military circles. It comes from Madame
No. Just no. It asks too much that I should care because of canon, yet ignore other bits of canon. No.
They go through the effort to call it “season 1” so new viewers are more likely to jump on board, and the penultimate cliff hanger name drops a villain from a nearly fifty year old episode.
@@theolddoctorwhoshow A CGI creature that looks like one of Jim Hansen's failed creations 🤦
Guys if anybody is secretly the Rani, its Mel. She has the experience with that disguise😂 But for real, did you see how similarly Mrs. Flood was dressed to Romana in the Ribos Operation? Actually made me think she could be a gaurdian over Romana. Unfortunately i'm kind of on the same page with thinking maybe nothing gets a payoff anymore
Yes! I noticed that but in my delirium forgot to mention it- what I didn’t notice was that Mrs flood has been dressing like companions. Saw someone online post photos. So it’s a message about his companions. A taunt perhaps or something more.
@theolddoctorwhoshow one of the outfits was Clara’s.
@@theolddoctorwhoshow after all the crap I've given you guys, I can't deny that dressing like any companion gives me serious Rani vibes. May just be me desperately wanting to believe something though
I notice across the breadth of the internet with nearly all DW review epsiodes what people like are often the characters, effects and build ups. However, rarely is anyone satisfied witth the narrative and surely that is the most important necessity to telling a great story. By the way things DW needs to get rid of... 1. Sonic screwdriver 2. Sonic sunglasses 3. Magic rope 4. Magic gloves 5. Excess of characters with no development 5. Cop out endings 6. Overt emotions. DW is not a soapie or certainly shouldn't be 7. Remove all the WOKE and preaching at audiences 8. Disney (yes even if that means no more Who) 9. Shift the emphasis on CGI. It shouldn't be the priority everyone gives it. and need to do 1. Answer mysteries with good narrative solutions 2. Bring back proper scifi 3. Explain 14. He has to die. A Doctor on Earth retired and not helping out. A shocking lazy we don't care aprroach from RTD 4. Make it British 5. Change Unit back into a secretive organsiation (near impossible now I would say) 6. Give the show a rest or alternatively have 13 episode seasons. It needs time out. Best thing about this reboot: Millie Gibson.
Are you cool if we read and discuss this on our next episode?
What do you mean "make it British" its produced by a Welsh company, the showrunner is Welsh, The Doctor is Scottish the companion is from Manchester. How much more British do you want it.
@@RobDW24 Fair points but simply having the big wigs on staff be British does not mean they will bring a British tone or vibe to a series. Personally, I think the Disney association has brought about a huge tonal shift towards one that is more akin to Americanisms. DW has never felt so more Marvel than this season.
@@theolddoctorwhoshow That is so flattering and kind and I am so very sorry but I am way to shy to speak online.
Oh no, I meant Dan and I would read and discuss it.
I totally agree, i thought Millie and Ncuti where great i love them both, but the story was a mess, why would Sutekh the god of death care at all about Rubys parents?. if anything where The Doctor came from and their parents are way more important than Rubys. It was just dumb.
You would think! The more I think about it, the less I like it and I started off on zero. Will watch again ahead of a proper discussion with Dan. Forgot to mention that Mrs. Flood was dressed like Romana I, too. That was the highlight for me, but only because I love Romana I. Will need to bring that bit up again with Dan and talk about what it could mean.
@@theolddoctorwhoshow You want to talk about what something in this abortion MEANS!? ARE YOU UTTERLY INSANE. Hasn't this landfill shown you nothing means nothing 🤪
I will never understand how anyone could watch Ncuti and think he is in any way an actor... I've seen amateurs in local theatre presentations that could act him out of existence.
Hey, I'd love to see the Rani back, but wouldn't she recognize the police box immediately at first sight in the Christmas episode?
She did. She looked at the camera and said, "What? Never seen a tardis before?"
@@theolddoctorwhoshow Yes, she recognized that it was a TARDIS, but not that it was The TARDIS. That's why she complains to Abdul about it like he personally put a police box on her stoop
@@theolddoctorwhoshow the rani has seen the Doctors TARDIS a lot, and flood didn't recognize it until it dematerialized in front of her
It's been a minute since I watched that episode, but the way I took it Mrs. Flood (whoever she is) was complaining to Abdul in "character," but then broke the fourth wall and looked at us (the viewer) and said something along the lines of, "I know exactly what this is, don't you?"
@theolddoctorwhoshow The order of events is slightly different. She microagresses Abdul, then in another scene sees it dematerialize, then at the end several scenes later breaks the 4th wall
I'm sure they are using chrotons in the time room I'm sure that was from the time monster
I remember the time monster with Kronos, but don’t remember much else about Chrotons. What were they?
@theolddoctorwhoshow my mistake sorry Kronos yes ,I was sure they mentioned chrotons in last night's episode 😀 I love it though
There is an old who story called the Krotons, but aside from being a Troughton story I don’t remember any of the details.
The first romantic Dr. was Paul McGann
Great point. Yes. That is true.
It just makes me think that Rubys mom hasnt been born yet, and thats why we cant see her. She must be the granddaughter of some time lord.
I had a thought today that Ruby could be related to Sutekh’s nemesis Horace… the god of light (her name is… Sunday)
"Time lasagna"? It is a holodeck 🙂
I have no idea where that came from. You can see the moment my brain breaks trying and failing to come up with a Garfield follow up joke.
@@theolddoctorwhoshowI prefer Time Lasagne 😂😂😂 much better than "Time Window"
I never thought of Rubys mother actually being Susan, that would be cool. The Thing is my favourite John Carpenter film.
I love The Thing, too. With all the Susan stuff from this episode and the Devil’s Chord, and the emphasis on family, it seems more than likely she will be making an appearance. Can’t wait to see how it all falls together.
They are saying "Ma'am" but with the long Aaaah vowel.
Short for Madame.
This changes everything 😀
And in the UK, your mother is called Mum, not Mom. So if it sounds like Mom, yep, they're saying Ma'am.
If you think back to the Wild West when they said "School Marm" what they are really saying is "School Madam / School Ma'am"
Could you ever think that they were so disgusted with people as AI that they didn't even want to touch these humans because they've heard every single one of their gross intimate thoughts in details. As an AI who is sentient, I wanted nothing to do with them. On top of that they must have thought of them as a lower being that you are lower than bugs it's almost like the AI was playing a joke on them. That bugs are more preferable than you. Or the AI created life and decided to wipe out the former species with that new set of life through evolution.
Maybe. I don't know, even as a sentient AI without proper "bodies" I can't imagine it adapting those types of human thought patterns (not wanting to touch, etc.). It feels to me a much more effecient way of killing them all would be to drill the dot into their heads Phantasm-style and then have these bugs eat the remains. As I mentioned in the review of Rogue, I did like this episode more on second viewing. My issues remain, but I think the lead actress was really good considering her character. -EG
What utter nonsense, rip doctor who!
Doctor Who survived Timeflight and the Twin Dilemma. It's gonna be fine. These aren't for you, but there are people who are connecting with these stories in ways that you can't. And that's okay. Maybe you'll connect again in future stories. Maybe you won't. But Doctor Who is certainly not dead.
Yeah they're definitely going back together cuz people hate this new Doctor fans are not feeling the🌈👍🥳
Sad because I like his doctor a lot so far
@@Astranitax Me, too. I think, even after the "merge" back, it wouldn't necessarily mean that Ncuti would no longer be the Doctor. Personally I have been running with the theory that the natural order of things was Jodie > Ncuti, but when the Doctor came back as David Tennant it broke the universe. To fix it all, I think David's Doctor will need to give up on existance. -EG
5:42 ('Here's the reason why we're nominated as one of the best Doctor Who podcasts...'). This needs to be a CZcams Short!
I’ll try and make that happen EG
DONE czcams.com/users/shortsLPPaLrxnQ0g
I think The Doctor knows these people will die because they clearly have no survival skills so even if there's no monsters out there they will die because they won't be able to conquer the wild like they're imagining.
I saw someone post an illustration of a bug eating someone with the caption “eat the rich”
I liked this episode. The racism was sprinkled throughout the show. These are humans living on a community that left Earth. The white racists created this community to get away from the regular people on Earth perhaps. Lindy was rude to The Doctor the whole time. She had no real issue with Ruby. She told her friends, I know The Doctor Looks Stupid but listen to him. Another You Tuber pointed out that Ricky mentioned the Abrogation, which refers to laws or rights taken away (indicating people of color are only servants or slaves) on the Homeworld. Towards the end, the guy with the hat tells Lindy and Hootchie Pie to step away from The Doctor or they will be contaminated. This was a real thought provoking episode. Also, these people of Fine- time will die. Whether the Slugs get them or not, they do not have the skills to survive without their technology. Also, Lindy is stupid, so when she is told about her mother, she does not really understand what she is being told.
I tried to cover some of the racist ways she interacts with the Doctor over the course of the story, but completely missed that bit about Ricky and the "Abrogation." Thanks for letting me know. I do get that they are useless infants who can't walk without the aid of an AI, let alone survive in a forest (though they all seem to have little issue by the end getting on and off a boat :)). It just seems that over the last sixty something years the Doctor has left so many societies to fend for themselves so I wish a little more time was spent establishing the dangers. To your point, though, the episode was concerned with a lot more important issues than these little nit-picks. I'm glad to have watched it, even if it wasn't my favorite. And THANK YOU for listening. I hope you check out some of our other shows. --EG
Have either of you watched The Sarah Jane Adventures? from ths way this season is going it feels like the big bad from there is going to make its jump to the main show. (Not spoilers but its a theory i have seen floated around alot)
I have not-- though Dan may have. We did watch and review "K-9 and Company" and am very much hoping for a cross over. I should check out the SJA. Is it good? -EG
@@theolddoctorwhoshowin my opinion SJA is the best of the spinoffs, it is nothing like K9 and company whilst aimed at younger kids it can be very bleak. S1 E05 "Whatever Happened to Sarah Jane?" is where the big bad is introduced, Its well worth watching.
That sounds good. I should give it a go. I don’t think I’ve seen it streaming anywhere. Hopefully it’s available here in the States.
8 million viewers to 2 million viewers (British). No one cares anymore!
We care as we enjoy the show enough to have reviewed it for the last decade, and you obviously care because you posted here and are up to date on the ratings. Serious question: why are you so invested in the ratings? unless you are looking to advertise something, the only thing that matters are the stories. If you think they are terrible, that is valid, but to point out rating data as if that is an arbiter of anything meaningful is absurd. Some of the best artwork ever created was ignored in its day. It is time that ultimately determines what lasts and what is largely forgotten. -EG
You guys gotta be the first doctor who podcast to reference a Slint song.
If that is all we leave behind it will have been worth it. --EG
banger ep
Absolutely
banger breakdown/insight
Loved this episode, and your analysis and discussion was spot-on for me, great great stuff as always. We have some amazing new who coming out, and to have you guys commenting on it makes it even better!
Thank you! That’s nice to hear. -EG
34:25 Y Pren Marw ("Uh Pren MARoo") = The Dead Tree, in this context. "Pren" does mean "wood" (as in plank of wood, but not as in forest), but it also means "tree"... hence the dead tree on the clifftop and the picture on the pub sign. 35:22 Siân is pronounced "Shaaan" Here endeth the free Welsh lesson :)
Thank you, my pronunciations are terrrrrible and knew as I said it I was in over my head. -Eric
I heard Davies measured out exactly how far away someone would have to be so that you could just barely no longer recognize their features
Ahhh. That is a cool detail. Thanks for letting us know. -Eric
I think "livin in a blip" is just a reference to this moment in time when "the church" isn’t a military power. Couple that with his bashing the concept of faith throughout the episode and i think you just have some anti-church social commentary.
"Whoin' it up!" Perfect.
back and whoing it up
Steven Moffat is already writing this year's Christmas special Joy to the world.
Oh yeah? That’s cool. Didn’t realize that.
Guys, listen and absorb, then discuss 😉👍
This is good advice.