Unpacking the BIG REVEAL in The Legend of Ruby Sunday - Doctor Who *SPOILERS*
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- Wait of the World (HOT TAKE: "The Legend of Ruby Sunday"): It’s official: The One Who Waits has been waiting since 1913 (or 1975, depending on the dating protocol). Everything’s gone a bit pyramid-shaped in “The Legend of Ruby Sunday”, as RTD’s multiple twists kept us mostly distracted from the return of this classic villain. So what has he been up to for the last 7,000 years, and how exactly did he seduce the TARDIS into giving itself indigestion? Join us as we drop a few canon bombs, defuse others, and consider which other ‘Doctor Who’ gods might be in RTD’s Disney-money spreadsheet.
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Pull To Open: The Legend of Ruby Sunday HOT TAKE
Season 5
Episode 25
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Gabriel Woolf also voiced 'The Beast' in The Satan Pit (because they wanted a voice like Gabriel Woolf and then thought "why not just get Gabriel Woolf?") ... so that's another possible link.
I also wonder if Ruby's mum is pointing at the TARDIS, not The Doctor, trying to warn him maybe?
Can't believe we forgot this!!! More evidence that the Beast may have actually been Sutekh in the first place.
🎯 Definitely pointing at the TARDIS
@@Nethetir That really makes sense to me - plus it feels like Ruby being abandoned is somehow part of some plan to defeat Sutekh.
IF RTD reveals Sutekh has been in the TARDIS since Wild Blue Yonder and it left because of him and then came back when "seduced" because he said "Where the walls were thin" (which is when we first heard the TARDIS sound) im gonna flip
Better start flip practice
@@PullToOpen I have already begun Tutorials
in response to this i wonder if Russel is gonna say FLUX and the recent companion deaths have symbollically occured through Sutekh reaching out from the TARDIS, While i don't believe that considering this season talks about Flux's aftermath i feel like the death of almost half the universe is going to do something with the God of Death
in the big finish audios he does go back to visit Susan, finds that he has a great grandson and the Daleks show up and end up killing his great-grandson. I think the line is a reference to that Adventure without having to be specific.
so ms flood is the real susan/rubys mom? The doctor says timelords regenerate to ‘hide themselves away’ and when she gets to rubys house she says it’s nice to get out im always ‘hiding myself away’. Also who else could it be at this point lol
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@@PullToOpen My guess, Flood is Susan, but rather than being Ruby's mother, she is Ruby's daughter? She just transported her mother to Earth after she was born in prison.
@@brettmajeske3525 that makes zero sense
@@adamburke4738 The whole point of the marriage to River Song is that events happen out of order. Mysteries that need answers: who is Ruby's mother, where is Susan? But there is another, who is Susan's parent?
If River had the Doctor's child while in prison, it would make sense that child would have been raised somewhere else. In the episode the Doctor implies that he doesn't know who Susan's parents are.
@@brettmajeske3525 again, makes zero sense.
To borrow a wrestling term, I was totally marking out with the reveal.
I’m gonna say it. Mrs Flood is the Rani and she’s either been helping Sutekh or she’s been aware of his impending return and is simply itching to capitalise on the destruction. I’m spitballing but I don’t know 😂
Not a terrible theory. He did name check the Rani earlier in the season, and Gatwa seemed to really hit that line.
@@PullToOpen when was Rani name checked? I’ll admit, this season been such a mixed bag for me that I’ve struggled to pay attention for references.
It was right at the start of Space Babies, when the Doctor is giving Ruby the 411 on himself, Time Lords, etc.
@@PullToOpen right. Not gonna lie, I hated Space Babies so much that wish to forget about it.
I think Sutekh was able to enter the Tardis In Wild Blue Yonder when They are at the edge of the universe and has been trapped inside it since but then was released
Not seen anyone talking about it, but where is the Trickster in all of this? Wouldn't the Trickster being behind Ruby's mum not only be a fantastic twist, but the Trickster has been known to go back and change the past to cause Earths destruction, referring to the SJA episode where Sarah's past is changed. I personally think, the glitched character in the recording IS the Trickster in hopes Rubys desperation will overtake her and force the Tardis back to that day causing a paradox to occur allowing the Trickster to take power. Just a thought
I do not think that this is who Mrs. Flood is, but I immediately clocked that she was wearing a similar outfit to Clara in Face the Raven
omg you're right!
I just noticed that when Mel gives Susan her tea, Susan says"Call me Sue, pet."
The Time Window reminder me of the Space/Time Visualizer from the First Doctor era.
Time television... in 3D!
The bit about the Doctor's children/grandchildren being from the future also infuriated me. Just another point of the new series' continued disrespect for the Hartnell Doctor. I'm not sure why the new series has this mentality around the First Doctor, but one thing my rewatch and the random journey has showed is just how excellent Billy often is. Taking his family away from him takes a part of his early character away as well.
It is a weird "canon bomb," as Chris put it. There are a lot of continuity problems with it (which we'll go into in a future podcast, I'm sure), but it's also just really unnecessary. We already had the mysterious "family" in his past... plenty to explore there without this curve ball.
What if the aliens in Wild Blue Yonder were Osirans?
Kind of see it now...
Also, I haven't seen anyone talking about this so maybe it's just obvious, but I think there was some revelations about the episode '73 Yards'. There was a line in this episode about the VHS tape of Ruby's abandonment being 66 meters away from the church. 66.7 meters is 73 yards, and also very close to sign of the beast. In the episode '73 Yards' the Woman could not be photographed very clearly as if taken from an old VHS tape. Maybe more revelations to come about that entity that was Ruby?
You make a solid case
It was brilliant and I can't wait to see if it works for my mother and nephew who both have been watching from the 60th and CORR respectively which I think it will.
On a future random note the Clara splinter must have been the person who gave them the VHS it just works.
Love the idea of Clara the one putting Ruby’s mom in a blue box 😄
I also immediately thought of The Impossible Planet, the Doctor specifically mentioning that the TARDIS sounded 'queasy' like it had 'indigestion' in proximity to the Beast.
But I doubt Rose is Ruby's mother, and I expect that all the hints pointing that way are just purposefully misleading. Yet at the same time the way they've dragged out the mystery is kinda too much. Ruby's mother better be someone important, someone groundbreaking, someone utterly shocking, or I'll be disappointed. Rose is the right age, and dropped out of school to be with Jimmy at about the right time, but the TARDIS would have picked up a DNA connection when the Doctor scanned her. The ambulance should have also noted her next of kin.
"Jimmy"...?
25:20 Twice? 3 times off the top of my head. River Song, Queen Elizabeth and Cleopatra. Let's also not forget the Fugitive Doctor's husband. He also almost married Marilyn Monroe. Looking it up there's also apparently a wife mentioned in the 1st Doctor's run, a gallifreyan woman referred to as "Patience".
Good list. Do we add Rogue?
@@PullToOpen Think he fits in with Marilyn so far. Said yes, but hasn't gone through with it yet.
I'm chucking it out there Ruby Sunday IS River Song
Time window... pulling my hair... I *think* Inferno (3rd Doctor). Spearhead from Space most likely, though.
Where Pertwee warns them not to do it, you mean? We don't remember any dialogue along these lines - any ideas?
@@PullToOpen I have to through the eps. I know it's third Doctor.
I do Think 14 will be in The next episode
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That would honestly be terrible and unnecessary.
If Pond becomes River, River can become Flood, which becomes Foreman? Ok the last doesn't work so much, but Flood sounds like it could be another name for Susan.
Kinda like this, not gonna lie
Regardless of the state of some of the episodes no lie some of these episodes are pretty good. That last episode was pretty good.
Controversial take, but we agree 🙃
I agree. This season has been a mixed bag, but this got me hyped.
Kate has developed love-hate relationships with the Doctor for quite some time. That’s the conflict that must not be underestimated 😮
Feels like there could be another Harriet Jones situation brewing...