Manual vs. Automatic 2022 GR 86 Premium - POV Comparison

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  • 2022 GR 86 Specifications & Info:
    6-Speed Manual Transmission or 6-Speed Automatic
    Horsepower:
    228 hp @ 7,000 rpm (SAE NET)
    Torque: 184 lb-ft @ 3,700 rpm
    2.4-liter, 4-cylinder, boxer, aluminum alloy block and head. DOHC 4-valves per cylinder with Dual Variable Valve Timing
    Bore x Stroke: 94 x 86 mm
    Compression Ratio: 12.5:1
    Fuel System: D-4S (Direct and Sequential Port Injection)
    Required Fuel: Premium Fuel
    Estimated Fuel Economy (city/hwy/combined MPG): 19/26/21 (6-Speed M/T) 20/30/24 (6-Speed A/T)
    Suspension:
    Front - independent MacPherson strut
    Rear - independent double wishbone style multi-link rear suspension
    Stabilizer Bar - Diameter: 18.3 mm/14 mm (front/rear)
    Electric Power Steering (EPS)
    - Overall Ratio 13.5
    - Turns (lock-to-lock) 2.5
    -
    Turning Circle Diameter:
    35.4 ft. (curb-to-curb)
    Brakes -
    Power-Assisted Ventilated Disc
    -
    Front Diameter: 11.6 in.
    Rear Diameter:
    11.4 in.
    Wheel Size:
    GR 86: 17 x 7.5 in /
    GR 86 Premium : 18 x 7.5
    Tire Size:
    GR 86: 215/45 R17 / GR 86 Premium: 215/40 R18
    Tire Type:
    GR 86: Michelin Primacy HP / GR 86 Premium: Michelin Pilot Sport 4
    Spare Tire/Wheel:
    None (Tire Repair Kit)
    EXTERIOR DIMENSIONS:
    Wheelbase: 101.4 in.
    Overall Length: 167.9 in.
    Overall Width: 69.9 in.
    Overall Height: 51.6 in.
    Width: Front/Rear 59.8/61.0 in.
    Ground Clearance: 5.1 in.
    Coefficient of Drag: 0.276
    INTERIOR DIMENSIONS
    Seating Capacity - 4
    Headroom, Front/Rear:
    37.0/33.5 in.
    Legroom, Front/Rear:
    41.5/29.9 in.
    Shoulder Room, Front/Rear:
    53.6/51.7 in.
    EPA Passenger Volume:
    77.19 cu. ft.
    Cargo Volume (Trunk): 6.26 cu. ft.
    WEIGHTS AND CAPACITIES:
    Curb Weight: Base MT - 2,811 lbs.;
    Premium MT - 2,833 lbs.
    Base AT - 2,851 lbs.;
    Premium AT - 2,868 lbs.
    Fuel Capacity - 13.2 gal.
    Engine Oil Capacity - 6.2 quarts
    Engine Oil w/Filter Change: 5.1-5.3 quarts
    GR 86 PREMIUM STANDARD EXTERIOR FEATURES
    • Duckbill Rear Spoiler
    • LED Headlights with Adaptive Front Lighting
    • 18 x 7.5-in. 10-spoke alloy wheels
    • Michelin Pilot Sport 4 tires (sized 215/40R18 85Y)
    • 11.6-/11.4-in. front/rear brakes
    STANDARD INTERIOR FEATURES
    • Black and silver-trimmed telescoping steering wheel with red contrast stitching
    • Black and silver-trimmed heated sport bucket seats with side bolsters
    • Parking brake and leather cover with silver contrast stitching
    • Ultrasuede door upper and armrest with synthetic leather door accents
    • Leather gearshift boot with red or silver contrast stitching
    • Aluminum sport pedals and scuff plates
    GR 86 PREMIUM AUDIO SYSTEM
    • 8 in. touch-screen display, AM/FM player, 8 speakers, auxiliary audio jack, USB 2.0 port with iPod® connectivity and control, voice recognition with voice training, hands-free phone capability and music streaming via Bluetooth® wireless technology, HD Radio™, wired Apple CarPlay and Android Auto compatibility, and steering wheel audio controls.
    BASIC LIMITED WARRANTY COVERAGE
    • 3-year/36,000-mile Comprehensive
    • 5-year/60,000-mile Powertrain
    • 5-year/Unlimited-mileage Corrosion Protection
    • ToyotaCare - Complimentary maintenance plan with the purchase or lease of every new Toyota. For 2 years or 25,000 miles, whichever comes first, every new Toyota will be covered for all normal factory scheduled service, as well as 24/7 roadside assistance.
    0:00 Manual
    3:23 Automatic
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Komentáře • 846

  • @stevePDx
    @stevePDx Před 2 lety +140

    For everyone who's worried or afraid of manual, honestly just go for it. It's so much fun. I've recently bought a manual for the first time after driving auto for nearly 15 years. It only took me a few days to build muscle memory and it's the best decision I've made, driving wise. So much more engaging!

    • @texasclawhammer6578
      @texasclawhammer6578 Před 2 lety +12

      Lol, I’m scrolling through comments just looking for one like yours to nudge me over the edge to MT. Looks awesome but I’ve never owned one

    • @stevePDx
      @stevePDx Před 2 lety +19

      @@texasclawhammer6578 haha! You'll love it man. Most new cars got anti-rollback systems so you won't have the stress of doing handbrake starts. Beginner tip: little bit of gas first (just as much as you would on an auto to take off from a stop) before releasing the clutch and you'll never stall.

    • @Butterpants1987
      @Butterpants1987 Před 2 lety +4

      sold. i learned on a manual. been auto ever since(so cal traffic). i may have to shift like 600+ times but i feel when im in my hometown ill enjoy the driving experience.

    • @kimmichelle8557
      @kimmichelle8557 Před 2 lety +3

      did you already have knowledge of when to upshift, when to downshift, rev matching etc before buying a manual transmission vehicle? Making a manual transmission car move isn't the issue, its knowing when to upshift and downshift, and coming to a complete stop and then going uphill from a stop, etc that gets to be confusing and overwhelming, especially in real world situations like in traffic. How did you overcome all of that?

    • @TheShogu
      @TheShogu Před rokem

      Nah. I'm disabled recently, and even though I can physically drive stick, it's not worth it. This isn't some super car, you guys are trying to get way too much out it. Get a Supra.

  • @mpa1931
    @mpa1931 Před 2 lety +744

    Getting denied with those downshifts in the automatic is truly a painful sight.

    • @TheTopher
      @TheTopher  Před 2 lety +151

      Yeah, with plenty of rpm to go before downshifting into redline! I think the old auto had better programming

    • @bijan4697
      @bijan4697 Před 2 lety +16

      @@TheTopher does it auto up shift? If so that’s a total deal breaker. I know the RC does that and it was extremely aggravating when I drove it

    • @ryanhuang6838
      @ryanhuang6838 Před 2 lety +5

      @@bijan4697 Didn't seem like it. I thought the RC doesn't auto-upshift if you have it in Sport+?

    • @Caquin1950
      @Caquin1950 Před 2 lety

      @@bijan4697 5:16 it does have standard automatic

    • @bijan4697
      @bijan4697 Před 2 lety +6

      @@ryanhuang6838 the one I drove constantly did it, no matter the mode I was in.

  • @bobbyc1849
    @bobbyc1849 Před 2 lety +350

    Getting stuck in a hour long traffic jam made me see the value of the automatic. The stick is only fun to drive in a world without bumper to bumper traffic.

    • @luisuribe5432
      @luisuribe5432 Před 2 lety +28

      Ig if you’re old

    • @MrEvilTag
      @MrEvilTag Před 2 lety +27

      What a crybaby

    • @pineapple0427
      @pineapple0427 Před 2 lety +106

      People who don't know this definitely have never been stuck in a traffic jam with bumper to bumper conditions where you only move a meter every minute.
      Sure manual is fun for sure, but let's see if it's fun if you have to have a left leg day every day for 30min - 1 hour during peak traffic hour in major cities.

    • @jW-kr5xn
      @jW-kr5xn Před 2 lety +22

      @@pineapple0427 my city is exactly like that, bumper to bumper traffic anytime of the day. Although tiring, I still enjoy driving manual very much

    • @pineapple0427
      @pineapple0427 Před 2 lety +15

      @@jW-kr5xn Manual is fun only if there's no traffic.
      If 90% of the time driving is in bumper to bumper conditions, it is anything but fun. :)

  • @jonathanpruitt7393
    @jonathanpruitt7393 Před 2 lety +35

    I can guarantee a million views to the first video that disconnects the artificial engine sound speaker and records a lap with the natural engine sound

  • @PipoLipo9000
    @PipoLipo9000 Před 2 lety +117

    Definitely the manual is better for track work (unless it’s a Porsche PDK), however people usually need these cars to drive in a lot of heavy traffic so a manual is a massive pain in the arse.

    • @jakeq3530
      @jakeq3530 Před rokem +1

      Driving a manual in traffic keeps me even more alert

    • @moomer2675
      @moomer2675 Před rokem +14

      @@jakeq3530 Does it really matter if you’re more alert in traffic? It’s slow so you’re not going 30 mph trying to watch out if you’re going to hit someone and all you really need to do is watch the car in front of you inch up or see if someone is lane changing in front of you which is pretty easy to see half asleep.

    • @Samanosuke1138
      @Samanosuke1138 Před rokem +1

      @@moomer2675 basically, he’s saying it keeps his focus on the road and not elsewhere. I love driving my standard in traffic. Keeps my hands from reaching for my phone

    • @MotorYardtraphik
      @MotorYardtraphik Před rokem +23

      @@Samanosuke1138 what you need is self control not a manual

    • @Samanosuke1138
      @Samanosuke1138 Před rokem

      @@MotorYardtraphik Don't be a butthole.

  • @TheDiskinsDoEverything
    @TheDiskinsDoEverything Před rokem +17

    There are lots of good reasons to buy the Automatic like I did. 1. You have an injury that doesn’t allow you to drive a manual 2. Your wife will let you buy it and auto let’s her drive it too 3. Plan to take on long trips and all the goodies are a huge plus 4. Stop and go traffic is a major part of your life 5. It’s still awesome! I have a 2019 BRZ Manual that is tuned and all of that. I bought an Automatic BRZ 2023 yesterday and it is everything I need it to be. Fun, fast enough and the shifts are clean and sport mode is aggressive. Shift with the manual stick mode is better than the paddles and just as good of a launch as my manual BRZ. F all the noise about the Automatic being shit. Car people don’t get that none of us have ever had a Porsche or Supra, you won’t notice. It’s a 30,000 car!

  • @EctoPlasmic
    @EctoPlasmic Před 2 lety +387

    Definitely make a beginner's tutorial for MT! Also show us how you drive around town and different situations like start-stop in traffic, hill starts etc etc. I've watched your heel toe tutorial and it is awesome, just missing the basics now! I'll be one of those people who will be getting the GR 86 in MT who has driven automatic for years and just now switching to MT and I'm sure I won't be the last one. Also do you think Toyota will upgrade the manual dash a bit, mostly because when you shift, the gears definitely come on late.

    • @KeOdesu
      @KeOdesu Před 2 lety +2

      definitely need this!

    • @TranceFur
      @TranceFur Před 2 lety +9

      There’s no need to look at the gauges to know what gear you’re in anyway. I’m not sure why it’s even included in the manual model.

    • @brandonr2188
      @brandonr2188 Před 2 lety +2

      Its so easy, if you have even a little understanding of how the manual works you can drive it off the lot fairly easy.

    • @nickboyadjian367
      @nickboyadjian367 Před 2 lety +2

      Gear indicator is not required, you always know what gear you're in

    • @harrisons62
      @harrisons62 Před 2 lety +6

      If you are going to be in traffic a lot don’t get manual.

  • @SirenS550
    @SirenS550 Před 2 lety +173

    Just drove a manual for the first time today. The most funnest and interesting moment of my life lmao. So much stalling but was still having fun. I daily a v6 automatic Mustang, and it was a WRX manual that I drove

    • @wordlife_97
      @wordlife_97 Před 2 lety

      Where did you get to test drive one?

    • @cammed46
      @cammed46 Před 2 lety +1

      i dont even have my license yet and ive driven a manual twice and haven't stalled

    • @jasonpapa6300
      @jasonpapa6300 Před 2 lety +157

      @@cammed46 cool story bro thanks for sharing

    • @cammed46
      @cammed46 Před 2 lety

      @@jasonpapa6300 just saying maybe he needs to learn to be more accurate with that left foot

    • @MubuAJ
      @MubuAJ Před 2 lety +60

      @@cammed46 you don’t even have a license yet you’re dragging people that actually put in work and have vehicles while you’re failing your high school classes

  • @smilepermile8165
    @smilepermile8165 Před 2 lety +87

    When TheTopher uploads a POV video on a Toyobaru and MX-5, I instantly press like and comment for the algorithm ;)

    • @jerbsherb4391
      @jerbsherb4391 Před 2 lety +1

      Yaay good job. You want a cookie?

    • @smilepermile8165
      @smilepermile8165 Před 2 lety +5

      @@jerbsherb4391 Looks like I touched a nerve of a butthurt keyboard warrior to start trolling

    • @joetaka7620
      @joetaka7620 Před 2 lety +5

      @@jerbsherb4391 Hey neckbeard, how's life living in your mom's basement at 43?

  • @itzk4rm425
    @itzk4rm425 Před 2 lety +11

    Love the 86 reviews. Can’t wait to see you driving the BRZ.

  • @gtmike916
    @gtmike916 Před 2 lety +31

    Definitely getting the manual

  • @MRX5000X
    @MRX5000X Před 2 lety +11

    Looking forward to your comparison with the BRZ!

  • @scottchandler1796
    @scottchandler1796 Před 2 lety +51

    It doesn’t look like you had it in Sport mode. In Sport mode it down shifts when breaking and holds the gears longer. Track mode doesn’t automatically engage sport mode. The 2022 transmission is leaps and bounds better than the 2020.

  • @Blight-fp3vt
    @Blight-fp3vt Před 2 lety +2

    great way to keep the content comming!

  • @jordycruz6661
    @jordycruz6661 Před 2 lety +29

    I’m 6’3 and the auto is so much more comfortable cause that empty area where the clutch would be makes a world of a difference on where I can put my left foot to rest. The auto gr86 was more fun than I thought, just not sure if I would trade for my sti

  • @DUNK6AROO
    @DUNK6AROO Před rokem +2

    Absolutely beautiful driving!

  • @mileslynch
    @mileslynch Před 2 lety +242

    This and the Miata are cars that getting the manual is a requirement

    • @Zipfei_Kloatscher
      @Zipfei_Kloatscher Před 2 lety +55

      I'd take the automatic. 😉👍🏻

    • @hecticphusion
      @hecticphusion Před 2 lety +3

      Agreed, but at least the auto in the miata is modern. The auto in the GR86 is horrendously slow.

    • @darrenmacwhirter1706
      @darrenmacwhirter1706 Před 2 lety +12

      @@hecticphusion I had the last generation auto and I found it excellent on the street. I didnt do track days though but I found it really reponsive.

    • @hecticphusion
      @hecticphusion Před 2 lety +1

      @@mileslynch that's exactly what I said lmao

    • @hecticphusion
      @hecticphusion Před 2 lety

      @@darrenmacwhirter1706 in which car? The BRZ/FRS? If that's the case, you're just lying to yourself. If you're talking about the miata, then yes that's exactly what I was trying to say.

  • @alannguyen5050
    @alannguyen5050 Před 2 lety +22

    That correction at 4:32 was beautiful!

  • @Klawz_AU
    @Klawz_AU Před 2 lety

    That Hakune facelift 86 though off to the side🤤.. Love the green and bronze

  • @yasuologitech1084
    @yasuologitech1084 Před 2 lety

    Subscribed, tks for the video, enjoyed it thoroughly

  • @WITHAUTO
    @WITHAUTO Před 4 měsíci +2

    I actually wanted to buy an automatic GR86, but in Korea, the GR86 is only sold as a manual model and does not have an automatic model, so I bought the manual model.
    But after watching this video, I can be sure that I made a really good choice.
    It is cruel that Toyota requires downshifting to 4,000 rpm.
    In fact, the rpm allows for 2-speed shifting in a manual mode.

  • @yusuf8938
    @yusuf8938 Před 9 měsíci +1

    The GR86 Premium was ny first car ive ever owned. I learned manual on it. I dont regret it AT ALL. Its an amazing car. Im loving every second of it. No need to be afraid or manual.

  • @dylansorenson2784
    @dylansorenson2784 Před 2 lety +37

    Hey Topher, do you have any insight as to the oil temps on the engine after hard track use? And what were the ambient temps? I'm talking like a full sessions will it ever pass, say, 260/270F?

    • @TheTopher
      @TheTopher  Před 2 lety +32

      Oil temps were solid all day, never got over 250 with the oem cooler. Besides pads and fluid you’re track day ready in this new gr86.

  • @hzozafar
    @hzozafar Před 2 lety +6

    My 2c
    I know the denied downshifts are annoying, but you are downshifting like you would for a first gen…where all the power is above 5k and anything below that is quite useless.
    The thing is, the new engine has some goodness around 3-4, amazingly. And as you know, the earlier you can put the power down, the better. And you don’t need all the torque right away when you first get on the gas…on a gen1, it’s not enough. But now it is.
    Plus the gear ratios are longer…so we wait a little longer before downshifting. We finally have oomf low in the rev range. It works.

  • @CrossKnight
    @CrossKnight Před 2 lety +31

    For the Automatic.
    Track mode is like halfway between traction off and traction on, it lets you have more slip before it cuts power.
    The button on the far left is Sport mode which alters the revs allowing it be higher and down shift itself into higher rpms. I am not sure if it matters if you're in Manual shift mode though, would be a good test.
    I might have to test this myself when I have time, as I own the first gen automatic and have done track days without much issues.
    Edit: So I tried out different modes, with Sport mode on and in Manual mode, I still get denied some down shifts. Ideal spirited driving while not in manual mode would be both Sport and Track buttons on driving in "D". Manual mode should be paired with track mode. Overall, get a manual transmission if you plan on doing track days or live in an area that works for you. The auto is really for daily driving with a few weekends on some twisty roads, it's a compromise if you live in a high traffic or hilly area where you have to parallel park on steep hills but still want to throw a fun car around.

    • @coreyfreeman6226
      @coreyfreeman6226 Před 2 lety +7

      Yeah it's the auto for me with this LA traffic and some fun canyon driving. No track days for me.

    • @limitededition3278
      @limitededition3278 Před rokem +3

      @@coreyfreeman6226 Yep, auto for me to.

    • @tobiasdelafuente2032
      @tobiasdelafuente2032 Před rokem +1

      I think it would be more convenient for me to get the automatic. I always wanted paddle shifters either way

    • @limitededition3278
      @limitededition3278 Před rokem +1

      @@tobiasdelafuente2032 get what you prefer do not go by what others want at the end of the day you have to be happy with your purchase.

    • @jass-8718
      @jass-8718 Před 3 měsíci

      same@@limitededition3278

  • @hybridyd1305
    @hybridyd1305 Před 2 lety +121

    The manual's dash was a little slow at updating which gear you're in.

    • @ashwinthiagarajan2650
      @ashwinthiagarajan2650 Před 2 lety +12

      yo, goddamn, now I can't unsee it

    • @yyyyyeeeee4060
      @yyyyyeeeee4060 Před 2 lety +20

      Its likely Toyota isnt using a hall effect sensor like other vehicles do for shift indication - and instead using a Speed and RPM calculation - so it needs to wait for the clutch to be fully in for a half second.

    • @Dylanbforthree
      @Dylanbforthree Před 2 lety +3

      @@yyyyyeeeee4060 Same thing as my ND Miata, it just takes a sec, nbd after you get used to it

    • @kevinzeng9606
      @kevinzeng9606 Před 2 lety +30

      This is normal in manual cars. The numbers don't show up until you are fully engaged in gear. Just because your shifter is in 3rd doesn't mean you are actually in 3rd. You have to wait for the clutch. This is the same thing on all manual cars, G80 M3/M4, Subaru STI, Honda Type R, etc.

    • @martin8313
      @martin8313 Před 2 lety +2

      @@kevinzeng9606 there does seem to be a light delay between where the clutch is fully released (you see it in his leg movement) and where the number changes. like half a second or so. not that it matters, since you should feel the gear you're in and remember it automatically

  • @kiboards1
    @kiboards1 Před 2 lety +100

    I'm sensing a slight lag on the tachometer in both the manual and automatic. I'm assuming the cars are still pre-production and haven't worked out all the issues, could be wrong.
    As for the automatic gear ratios, it's normal for downshifts to be denied at certain RPMs, it's an overrev protection. Those ratios are longer than the manual, especially the final drive.

  • @Carpetone
    @Carpetone Před 2 lety

    Love this new 22 GR86!

  • @tompilsworth3753
    @tompilsworth3753 Před 2 lety +50

    It doesn’t want to downshift because your shifting too early. I used to do the same in my auto 86 on a track. Once you get used to the ratios (longer than the manual) it is very fluid. If you want to go fast on a track the auto is a perfectly reasonable choice - it makes sense to shift sequentially with both hands on the wheel when you're on the limits.

    • @deez3063
      @deez3063 Před 2 lety +10

      exactly, he surprisingly needs to work on his paddle shifts. I daily a wrx cvt lol and even I notice he was either letting off the throttle before the upshifts, or was rushing the downshifts...just seemed off

    • @tompilsworth3753
      @tompilsworth3753 Před 2 lety +8

      Let’s face it any transmission is going to take some dialing into especially on a track… I’d be curious to try that WRX cvt! Don’t get them in the UK as far as I know

    • @impreza0109
      @impreza0109 Před 2 lety

      Or just get the manual, the objectively better choice 🤷

    • @deez3063
      @deez3063 Před 2 lety +1

      @@tompilsworth3753 it's very fun brother! Drives very much like a single clutch id say. Def doesn't "shift" as quickly as a dual clutch, but in manual mode they feel like real gears. You can fully rev out and downshift just like in any other manual mode in dual and single clutches. Only downside is you can't really upgrade them without compromising the transmission. But very underrated car imo, doesn't deserve the hate. There's some smaller youtubers who do track their wrx cvts, mainly in Asian countries, if you wanna look it up!

    • @deez3063
      @deez3063 Před 2 lety +3

      @@impreza0109 manual is the objectively better choice for fun, sure. But not daily...it's nice to at least have an auto option for people who can't afford 2 cars

  • @macaron3141592653
    @macaron3141592653 Před 2 lety +59

    The automatic would be awesome if they added a dual clutch or something more advanced than the six speed, the extra weight would be compensated by better gear ratios and speed.

    • @bulletclub4life
      @bulletclub4life Před 2 lety +2

      Any car that is isnt insanely fast out the box will be more fun in stick than auto, which is why I would never buy a car that is in that range as an automatic. Even a car with 100hp in manual would be more fun than a 100hp auto even if the auto can do the job better in shifting etc..

    • @JV8901
      @JV8901 Před rokem +1

      If only the manual mode in the automatic would let you shift as you’d like without intervening. But it kinda won’t let you down shift when you’d like it and that its kind of a let down.

  • @gradientO
    @gradientO Před 2 lety +108

    Bro, can you do some beginner videos for manual transmission? Would be helpful

    • @R3c0nf1gur3d
      @R3c0nf1gur3d Před 2 lety +32

      Nice kid! Learn that manual, don’t get frustrated and put in the seat time. I recommend practicing super early in the morning 5am in an empty parking lot

    • @MrTheKrafter
      @MrTheKrafter Před 2 lety +7

      @@R3c0nf1gur3d I agree ;)

    • @intelsilver
      @intelsilver Před 2 lety +14

      @@MrTheKrafter JT agrees with JT

    • @gradientO
      @gradientO Před 2 lety +7

      @@R3c0nf1gur3d also, I'm in India, where almost all of us drive manual, so yeah, it's more of a requirement lol. Dad got a Volkswagen Polo, so that's a good one to practice

    • @JohnJohnson-ld9ff
      @JohnJohnson-ld9ff Před 2 lety +8

      Is it a good idea to buy a new car with manual if I’ve never driven a manual before? I’ve heard that once I get used to it, I’ll enjoy it a lot more than an auto/cvt.

  • @jayczyzyk9707
    @jayczyzyk9707 Před 2 lety +1

    Nice reveiw

  • @nikolaiiaksenov
    @nikolaiiaksenov Před 2 lety +33

    Atleast with the automatic GT86, you need to have it in sport mode if you are going to use it on track. Track mode doesn’t actually do much or anything at all to the transmission. Put it in sport mode and it is completely different. Something that was killing the experience for you was that it wouldn’t hold the rpms. Put it in sport mode, and it won’t do that. Seems sluggish only Because you had the transmission in regular drive mode. Sport drive mode wakes it up much so much more. Great video and keep up the good work!

    • @philspaghet
      @philspaghet Před 2 lety +6

      Meh, it's an 86, you shouldn't even consider an auto

    • @scottchandler1796
      @scottchandler1796 Před 2 lety +6

      I saw that too. He short changed the review because of that. I had the 2020 and now the 2022 auto and the 2022 is a blast in sport mode. Actually the 2020 was fun too but the 2022 is definitely an upgrade

    • @richardseaman9086
      @richardseaman9086 Před 2 lety +1

      @@philspaghet why

    • @philspaghet
      @philspaghet Před 2 lety

      @@richardseaman9086 the auto is slower, upshifts when you don't want, makes the car altogether feel more sluggish, is FAR less fun to drive, costs more, Subaru Eyesight sends your data back to Subaru making it a privacy risk, etc.

    • @richardseaman9086
      @richardseaman9086 Před 2 lety +11

      @@philspaghet Really? Have you driven both of the new GR86 versions?

  • @FLBoyCanScrap
    @FLBoyCanScrap Před 2 lety

    Looks like so much fun.

  • @paulshi5974
    @paulshi5974 Před 2 lety

    Would take one with Primacy tires or the one with PS4 tires? Great video!

  • @qualliez
    @qualliez Před 7 měsíci

    i love my auto brz, yes i wish i had a manual like 25% of the time but when im driving in traffic or highways the subaru eyesight and adaptive cruise control is worth it since its my only car and my daily. still a lot of fun for what it is

  • @PapiAndrey
    @PapiAndrey Před 2 lety +30

    Of course I’d only get this car with the manual transmission. I think if you are going to give a performance car an automatic transmission, it should be a quick shifting and fun automatic that you can actually enjoy like a dct or a zf8. I personally thought the Gti was better with the dsg and the f10 M5 was better with the dct than the manual. I wonder how this car would’ve been with a dct or Zf8, otherwise it just doesn’t make sense to me for such a car.

  • @ronroberts8036
    @ronroberts8036 Před 8 měsíci

    Great behind the wheel demo! With the taller gears in the automatic, do you notice a any less of that push back in the seat when accelerating at full throttle? Car and Driver magazine timed the 5-60 rolling start at about the same for both, but the manual spends more time in between gears, so I would think the manual feels faster in between shifts. Anyone notice a difference in Gs?

  • @isnowyazn
    @isnowyazn Před 2 lety +2

    Does anyone know if any tuning will adjust the rev limiter in between shifting? The car definitely needs to be able to hold full gears, at a full rev range limit imo.....

  • @ray0968
    @ray0968 Před 2 lety +4

    I kinda like the over rev protection on the auto adds a layer of mechanical sympathy to the car I want to enjoy the car long term

  • @ErockHQ
    @ErockHQ Před 2 lety +55

    As a daily driver with occasional spirited driving, I feel the automatic isn’t too bad at all

    • @philspaghet
      @philspaghet Před 2 lety +5

      Nah, don't even bother, get the manual NO MATTER WHAT.

    • @ErockHQ
      @ErockHQ Před 2 lety +50

      @@philspaghet that’s horrible logic bud

    • @philspaghet
      @philspaghet Před 2 lety +5

      @@ErockHQ Well barring disabilities there's no reason to get the auto. Even in this video, it was infuriating seeing the auto deny shifts like that. Plus even acceleration is slower than the manual

    • @ErockHQ
      @ErockHQ Před 2 lety +12

      @@philspaghet once again, shitty ass logic

    • @philspaghet
      @philspaghet Před 2 lety +1

      @@ErockHQ meh, it's a RWD low power Japanese sports car, anything else just doesn't fit

  • @alexp6409
    @alexp6409 Před 2 lety +47

    Cant wait to see one of these in person. With a manual, of course.

  • @HisMajesty99
    @HisMajesty99 Před 2 lety +47

    Could you plz do a tutorial series for driving manual, like from square 1, for us noobs who wanna learn manual for the first time lol

    • @TheTopher
      @TheTopher  Před 2 lety +31

      I’ve needed to do this for ages. I’ll do it in my Volvo!

    • @HisMajesty99
      @HisMajesty99 Před 2 lety +2

      @@TheTopher can’t wait! Looking forward to it, thanks man!

    • @lvpo8866
      @lvpo8866 Před 2 lety +2

      Push clutch pedal in, Select gear, release clutch, accelerate

    • @HisMajesty99
      @HisMajesty99 Před 2 lety +1

      @@lvpo8866 what about heal-toe down shifting, rev matching etc. I see different things form different people regarding that on CZcams. As far as shifting up is concerned, yeah what you said is right, simple enough. But I think it’s the other stuff we’d like to find out abt and all the little quirks u have to worry abt driving manual

    • @carlshoemaker8967
      @carlshoemaker8967 Před 2 lety +3

      @@HisMajesty99 those are more advanced techniques so I would focus on learning how to start and get through the gears first. Basically heal-toe is rev-matching while braking so I would first try rev matching by itself. Drive along and shift from 4th to 3rd over and over to practice. Then when you get that down you can practice braking and rev matching (heel toe). There’s a good video from the smoking tire teaching how to drive a manual but hopefully Topher will make one too. The more the better!

  • @CoryGamesHD
    @CoryGamesHD Před 2 lety

    So the manual trans in this rev matches for you? And are you not able to blip the throttle with the automatic to rev match since it’s preventing shifting in to lower gear at a higher rpm?

  • @jaysonwinters7594
    @jaysonwinters7594 Před 2 lety +18

    Can I just ask a question….. in the manual when you shifted to 2nd you were basically always shifting at 50mph. But in the auto you were trying to go into second at 60 mph. But if you kept yourself constant with the shifts like you did in the manual you would have been able to downshift into second at 50mph without having it deny you. The arrow indicator seems to come on at 55mph to allow a downshift near the gear number letting you know where you can downshift. And again it comes on at 30mph to allow downshift into first. If you drove the car knowing the shift points and seen the information given to you for when downshift was allowed could you have been faster in the auto on another lap against your original auto run? It’s easy to trash a car if the system isn’t understood. So an updated video would be appreciated with more experience on understanding it’s dynamics. I can’t go off your opinion of the auto because I clearly saw where your mistakes were made. Driver error isn’t good feedback if you didn’t have an understanding of the system. And if you did have an understanding of the system then it would be a shame to know because then the video could have relayed better information but instead got misguided information. I love your videos keep up the work. But just wanted to point this out because the outcome could have been different in my opinion.

    • @chrisfurman7514
      @chrisfurman7514 Před 2 lety +1

      Agreed

    • @Flarptube
      @Flarptube Před 2 lety +4

      Looks like confirmation bias going on here. Driving in automatic mode just produces the obvious results. Putting the automatic in manual mode changes the game, that is if you take the time to learn how to drive it. If track day is a priority, there is only one choice. If the car spends most of the time in the real world on the road, the automatic transmission is a serious option. An important thing to consider is that the gear ratios are different, so you just can’t hop in an automatic after driving the manual and get anywhere close.

  • @AlexSchwartzATV
    @AlexSchwartzATV Před 2 lety +4

    Thanks for this comparison. I know everyone says go for the manual but I'm sticking with auto ;) no choice here lmao

  • @robertrishel3685
    @robertrishel3685 Před 2 lety

    Thanks!! Might just be time to replace the FRS👍

  • @adognamedcat13
    @adognamedcat13 Před 2 lety

    that edit before the hairpin turn at 1:41 made my stomach drop for a second there! 😅

  • @xecmai8100
    @xecmai8100 Před 2 lety +3

    In the AT, The paddles are not that great... However, In the manual mode shifting with the stick is FAR more responsive than the paddles. Using the stick does not hold you back when trying to downshift etc. The paddles do, For whatever reason.

  • @VeganBytes
    @VeganBytes Před 2 lety +9

    I know you probably don't like the audible gear shift notification, but I could really do with something like that in my mx5.
    I find it hard to pay attention to the rev counter when my full focus is on the road.
    I'm surprised there isn't an option like this available outside of an o.e.m installation.
    I've googled but can only find l.e.d based rev notification kits.

  • @Kurt-LoMein
    @Kurt-LoMein Před 2 lety +9

    The shift programming on the auto acts exactly like my 2014 camry, wont let you downshift unless it can put the revs at least like 500 rpm below redline

    • @Kurt-LoMein
      @Kurt-LoMein Před 2 lety

      @@Peter-ff1tp Wont allow you to downshift even into nearly 1k under redline. I've seen the same thing in a lot of Lexus/Toyotas. They just play it super safe/boring when it comes to auto programming.

  • @ARentz07
    @ARentz07 Před 2 lety

    Hm, I know this is slightly off-topic, but are those not the same round air vents on the interior as the ones in the 2021+ Lexus IS? If so, that's pretty random!

  • @anthonyfanella6523
    @anthonyfanella6523 Před rokem

    Those extra safety features the Auto has helped my insurance payment immensely.

  • @o_o-_-8639
    @o_o-_-8639 Před 2 lety +25

    Thx for the review I was rly interested to see the automatic…not as bad as before but the manual is still better especially for the fact that you have more control…anyway have a nice day 🙂

    • @hanfreeman
      @hanfreeman Před 2 lety +3

      He looks like he had just as much fun sliding it in auto

    • @googlewolly
      @googlewolly Před 2 lety +2

      Well, it's subjective.

    • @deez3063
      @deez3063 Před 2 lety +4

      honestly he needs some practice with paddles. He wasn't shifting at the right times lol. Or looked like he was getting off the throttle and then upshifting. So used to a manual that his paddle work is lacking

    • @carlshoemaker8967
      @carlshoemaker8967 Před 2 lety

      @@deez3063 he was pulling the paddle to downshift and it would deny him a lower gear… I’m sure the auto is reliable but it doesn’t seem “sporty”

    • @o_o-_-8639
      @o_o-_-8639 Před 2 lety

      @@carlshoemaker8967 they should use a faster torque converter…

  • @revolution583
    @revolution583 Před 2 lety

    Can you make these kinds of videos for the 2022 BRZ pls

  • @R8rs24
    @R8rs24 Před 2 lety +2

    How would you say this new 86 compares to the current Miata in terms of driving around town and on the track?

    • @TheTopher
      @TheTopher  Před 2 lety +1

      Still has heavier controls, better steering, doesn’t feel as light and tossable as the Miata, but it’s great to feel similar power out of the 86 now. Basically it comes down to whether you want a convertible or a more practical sports car. I think you’ll have equal amounts of fun in both

    • @R8rs24
      @R8rs24 Před 2 lety

      @@TheTopher thank you! Definitely love the way the Miata drives, but don’t care for the convertible and prefer the space of the 86/BRZ.

  • @miyoshifw27
    @miyoshifw27 Před 2 lety +3

    I like Toyota 86 / Subaru BRZ because it's affordable with reasonable mpg. Now the new one has bigger engine which is more expensive and worse mpg. In JPN zeikin (yearly tax) and shaken (2 year inspection) depends on engine capacity. Some 86/BRZ drivers want bigger engine with turbo for faster acceleration and higher top speed which make others confused. If you want those why don't you modify the the car after you buy it? Most Japanese cars are meant to be modified according to your taste. Or get a Supra. If you still cant' get enough, just get a V8 Mustang.

  • @zs6511
    @zs6511 Před 2 lety +1

    For the manual, can we turn the engine noise off?

  • @sebastiangalvan6794
    @sebastiangalvan6794 Před 2 lety +4

    I bought the auto, honestly love it. But ima VQ, GTR guy so might trade in when the Z comes out. Perhaps even wait for a NISMO to come out.

    • @BRZ_Shift
      @BRZ_Shift Před rokem

      How has the auto treated you? Good for a fun daily driver?

  • @aswinprasetyo3211
    @aswinprasetyo3211 Před 2 lety +2

    What do you think about the clutch pedal feel in a stop-go city traffic? Would it feel terrible/heavy?

    • @OhKnow379
      @OhKnow379 Před 2 lety +1

      Sporty cars seem to have quite light feeling clutches.

  • @Moviefreak893
    @Moviefreak893 Před 2 lety

    How is the clutch? Does it feel sharp or soft?

  • @EthanSmith48
    @EthanSmith48 Před 2 lety

    Are the brakes better than the brembo brakes of the previous car?

  • @danielesalvigni
    @danielesalvigni Před 2 lety

    Which type of automatic transmission have?? Is it a ZF??? Torque converter?

  • @SwapnilBhartiya
    @SwapnilBhartiya Před 4 měsíci

    Automatic is the future. All high end sports cars like Ferraris are auto. This was super impressive given the size of the care. Incredible car with auto + manual mode.

  • @pauldenney6968
    @pauldenney6968 Před 2 lety

    What the hell is with the RPMs dropping basically whenever you left off the gas? Almost as if its clutching in. Is it honestly...upshifting that aggressively?

  • @05American
    @05American Před rokem +2

    Really wish I could see you push the auto in manual mode for a lot longer.

  • @elementa.u.official8366

    damn dude you weren't kidding when you said it didn't really wanna downshift...

  • @tizmon
    @tizmon Před rokem +3

    It’s just a question of how often do we go to trucks, or more accurately, do we go to tracks at all. My wife is thinking about 86 automatic and I’m all for that choice. This is a car that can make going to grocery shopping enjoyable and that’s a viable reason for this car to exist. She’ll never go to trucks but she’ll enjoy her driving experience every time she uses her car and I’m happy for her for that.

  • @tenvillagesahead4192
    @tenvillagesahead4192 Před 2 lety

    GR86 manual vs BRZ manual? I'm so confused. Word on the street is GR86 has more oversteer?

  • @mrtony3729
    @mrtony3729 Před rokem

    Gr86 manual or Mazda Miata manual for fun driving around town?

  • @aspecreviews
    @aspecreviews Před 2 lety +8

    I would buy the automatic so I can turn it into a 40+ mpg RWD hybrid.

  • @clxx1302
    @clxx1302 Před 2 lety +4

    Does this Toyota 86 generation came with auto-revmatching? I would love to buy this MT in the futute if it gets older because I think it is a fun tuner car :)

    • @OhKnow379
      @OhKnow379 Před 2 lety +3

      If you want you could blip the trottle slightly when you downshift the paddle and it improves the auto rev matching it feels like

    • @clxx1302
      @clxx1302 Před 2 lety +2

      @@OhKnow379 I much prefer this car to have a manual gearbox because the Supra is automatic only (plus Supra is way overpriced). What I meant is the auto-revmatch feature which you don't need to heel toe downshift on fast curves. Thanks for informing how to operate paddles faster by the way.

    • @OhKnow379
      @OhKnow379 Před 2 lety

      @@clxx1302 no problems feel free to ask me anything

    • @OhKnow379
      @OhKnow379 Před 2 lety

      @@clxx1302 ohh on the car I’m not sure haha I misread.

    • @abdullaharif6455
      @abdullaharif6455 Před 2 lety

      Nope, the new GR86 does not have any automatic rev-matching on the manual models. The automatic does though.

  • @DessikaModus
    @DessikaModus Před 2 lety +2

    Wonder if using the stick when seq shifting in AT is faster than paddle shifters

  • @rts3613
    @rts3613 Před 2 lety +4

    It sucks that they don't offer the manual with adaptive cruise, and that the mpg is so different between the two. It's a tough decision if you daily drive the car in traffic, use it for road trips or have a spouse who doesn't do well with manual transmissions (I've tried).

  • @Taliyon
    @Taliyon Před 2 lety

    When it denies a paddle down, it sounds like getting an answer wrong on Jeopardy. 🤣

  • @depan55
    @depan55 Před 2 lety

    Anybody else notice that the automatic version has a spot to hold your phone in front of the cup holder but not the MT? Seems kind of weird. Is there something about the MT that causes Toyota to not put the same feature there?

  • @jordanshalala5298
    @jordanshalala5298 Před 2 lety

    What track is this? Looks cool

  • @iheartgs400
    @iheartgs400 Před 2 lety +1

    Funny on the FRS/86 overall sales only 33% choose the manual, while on the BRZ camp it’s 70%.

  • @giannrecinto2869
    @giannrecinto2869 Před 2 lety +8

    When you're so early the vid is in 144p

  • @joost6123
    @joost6123 Před 2 lety

    A go pro on side back wheel could be interesting.

  • @VirtualGuth
    @VirtualGuth Před 2 lety +17

    Thank goodness this car is still offered with a manual, as even the resulting video is less visceral with the automatic. It will be interesting to see just how many owners will disable the piped in fake engine sound as soon as they get these home. Overall, this looks like a great job by Subaru/Toyota.

    • @JTube571
      @JTube571 Před 2 lety +2

      I would unplug it immediately.

    • @kimmichelle8557
      @kimmichelle8557 Před 2 lety

      what is the purpose of the fake engine noise inside the cabin? it's a ridiculous feature. i dont know how anyone can enjoy that knowing its fake engine noise

    • @VirtualGuth
      @VirtualGuth Před 2 lety +1

      ​@@kimmichelle8557 This is part of what car makers have come up with for the gaming generation now that they are buying cars. Much of the tech appearing in cars today is there to appease those who can't go more than a few minutes without their smartphones. Cars and driving used to be purely analog in nature, but those days are long gone. From the infotainment systems and the fake engine noises to the LCD instrument panels, manufacturers are just giving the masses what they want, which helps them stay in business.

  • @khettabiyasser8155
    @khettabiyasser8155 Před 2 lety +2

    Nice car ❤❤

  • @gamingforcepr4307
    @gamingforcepr4307 Před 2 lety

    So i need to hear opinions i live in florida and traffic is bad asf. But im in a 50/50 if I should go manual or auto

  • @Average_CoD_Clips
    @Average_CoD_Clips Před 2 lety +2

    I’m not confident enough in my coordination to drive manual but damn this car makes me want to learn after seeing how bad the shift paddles are.

    • @TheTopher
      @TheTopher  Před 2 lety +4

      If you can walk, you can drive a stick!

    • @anthonynatividad9483
      @anthonynatividad9483 Před 2 lety

      Trying to learn manu for this car brooo it looks like a lot of funn forsure gonna try stick

  • @allengibbs3733
    @allengibbs3733 Před 2 lety +1

    Your voice sounds exactly like the English dub Takumi Fujiwara in Initial D.

  • @probro6722
    @probro6722 Před 2 lety +20

    I think that most buyers won't drive this on the track too often, and rather use it as a daily even. For daily automatic is just better nowadays hence 70% autos.

  • @danhessler
    @danhessler Před 2 lety

    Would a newer car like this be better for learning manual. I tried a 2010 Honda civic and it was rough learning on it. Not sure if maybe they make some sort of clutch assist, prevent stalling in newer cars

    • @kimmichelle8557
      @kimmichelle8557 Před 2 lety

      they say the gr86 is the easiest car to learn how to drive a manual because the clutch engagement is the most noticeable, helping you know when to give it gas

    • @danhessler
      @danhessler Před 2 lety +1

      @@kimmichelle8557 great! thank you

    • @kimmichelle8557
      @kimmichelle8557 Před 2 lety

      @@danhessler dont want to lead u down the wrong path so i would google search if the gr86 is good for beginners. have fun bro

    • @danhessler
      @danhessler Před 2 lety +1

      @@kimmichelle8557 I'll do that thanks for the advice, I appreciate the reply!

  • @shadowscrap666
    @shadowscrap666 Před 2 lety +1

    I think the worst part about getting the GR86 in manual... is that all the ones available around me are all auto :)

  • @robg685
    @robg685 Před 2 lety +2

    I see the automatic gave you some challenges that made you race drive. Which I found it to be more entertaining than the manual. Though realistically these car's are made for driving and not made for tracking.

  • @xuhan4682
    @xuhan4682 Před 2 lety

    is the road noise getting better?

  • @harithhumam4372
    @harithhumam4372 Před 2 lety +2

    For daily drive in city, do you still suggesting the manual one

    • @leo-13804
      @leo-13804 Před 4 měsíci

      No, driving manual in city traffic is anything but fun and comfortable.

  • @muaythai193
    @muaythai193 Před rokem +1

    4:37 honestly as long as the car has enough power and good setup to do that with the automatic, I’m happy.
    I want to drift the thing anyways! 😂

  • @lowliifer
    @lowliifer Před 2 lety +1

    This car looks like a blast, a serious track weapon, but I can't see myself wanting this over an ND2 Miata or a 2021 Type R

    • @harrybuhse8622
      @harrybuhse8622 Před 2 lety +1

      It will be cheaper than both of those cars and a type R is a significantly different experience. Couldn't go wrong with any of those choices though

    • @braetonwilson4296
      @braetonwilson4296 Před 2 lety +2

      2021 Civic Type R is $60,000 out the door includes taxes, fees, dealer mark up, and dealer installed accessories.

    • @dirkvantroyen9170
      @dirkvantroyen9170 Před 2 lety

      Why not?

  • @arobjavan9481
    @arobjavan9481 Před 2 lety +1

    In my young days we were happy to have a car to go grocery shopping, now every young person has track days. I guess we created lots of racers with this new generation, none talk about gas mileage or oil change but they all are racers and must have track days.

    • @jimgurganious6642
      @jimgurganious6642 Před 2 lety

      Not around here, I think few people do track days, they just drive hard on the street-especially at night.

    • @jonasbaine3538
      @jonasbaine3538 Před rokem

      its a extremely small subset of the population that are into cars. to most people it is just transportation. many younger people rather just rideshare everywhere and avoid entire cost of car ownership. we are fortunate a car like gr86 even exist anymore...

  • @mcnos3820
    @mcnos3820 Před rokem

    You can disconnect the in cabin speaker for the engine noise, gotta go to Toyota though

  • @POPOLAMEYT
    @POPOLAMEYT Před 2 lety +26

    I want the manual but I'm gonna be going into traffic a lot where I live and I drive on the road a lot so I think its best to get automatic in my situation.

    • @matth6284
      @matth6284 Před 2 lety +8

      Get the manual and suffer anyways 😂

    • @mpa1931
      @mpa1931 Před 2 lety +15

      The clutch should be light in these things so it should be easy, I drive manual in traffic and its really not a big deal. You will REGRET getting the automatic trust me.

    • @user-vy8jn9mc6g
      @user-vy8jn9mc6g Před 2 lety +2

      I've been there. In such situations you actually tune your heel-toe downshifts to perfection. From any gear to the needed one. High revving engines with low torque and autos don't work good together IMO.

    • @boygonewhoopdataZZ
      @boygonewhoopdataZZ Před 2 lety

      Hyundai will deliver a rwd coupe eventually........

    • @supersiem1431
      @supersiem1431 Před 2 lety +2

      don't, just buy manual

  • @TheBipolarx
    @TheBipolarx Před 2 lety

    I have a 2014 automatic FR-S, and damn, that translogic seems horrible compared to what my car has. It doesn't fight me nearly as much as that looks like it does on downshifts. That said, I'll be getting the manual with the new model.

  • @brickclickcat2893
    @brickclickcat2893 Před 2 lety

    The old one was meant to be loose. It rode on Prius tires for a reason

  • @Fall508River
    @Fall508River Před 2 lety

    I will get that in manual thank u!

  • @corollavirus4age
    @corollavirus4age Před 2 lety +3

    Oh that's hot! I am liking this new 86
    The manual is the way to go! It's the whole point of the car's driving experience