China's Lunar Base and Bill Nelson: The Dangers of Scientific Ignorance
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- čas přidán 27. 04. 2024
- China is on track with its three-phase plan to have a lunar base by the 2030s, while NASA's Bill Nelson has said the US will do the same by the 2040s. The United States has become so complacent that we don't even appoint knowledgeable people to powerful positions any longer.
If China controls cis-lunar space, how likely is it that American or European spacecraft will get clearance to land?
Let's look at China's progress on their International Lunar Research Station,
and listen to the latest brilliant exchange between American politicians.
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It's shocking that anyone can be in that position and be so ignorant.
eye-opening. nasa is doomed to fail, especially with republicans hell bent on destroying the government.
Had to be stupid sarcasm by Nelson, a bad joke, really bad.
@@juhanisademaa7598 This is for the house budget committee, you don't want to confuse them with new facts. Nelson has done a fairly decent job of getting more money for NASA up until the spending lockdown.
Some politician recently said the moon was made of gas, but it wasn't like the sun's gas so we could land on it 😳😳😳
Good to know. I was hoping to go there some time :-)
I noticed a very worrisome trend. Values such as experience, wisdom, merit, integrity and safety are being pushed aside for the latest demands of political correctness.
Give us an example
@@Theodorus5 lets see , the trans guy who stole womens underwear from the airport and then posted pics of himself on instagram wearing them. sam brinton. Gay being the president of harvard till exposed.. Theres a lot of people in a favorable political position who get appointed to position based on how they identify and not merit.
Indeed they seem to be a negative selection criteria...
I'm not seeing the connection Air Gunner. Do you know how many "hetero-guy murders somebody" news releases there would be if the media reported things equally? The truth is that gay and trans people are much less likely on average to commit violent offenses. Not that none do. Just less likely. Similar to women now that I think about it. Might be a connection there somewhere.
@@terranspaceacademy 100%
If, hypothetically, we had no idea what was on the far side of the moon as Bill Nelson suggested, wouldn’t that be precisely the reason we ought to be going there…?🤔🤷🏾♂️
stop being logical
How do you Sir! Rational discourse in Congress! For shame! :-)
Bill Nelson is an embarassment, to be sure. As the Professor says, we need to get mass to Luna and start work on a base there. I believe lunar materials will make our other hopes/plans for future space-based activities possible. Lunar oxygen, a byproduct of materials processing, will decrease the cost of fueling all space-based activity. "Who's with me!"
farside of the moon could be a major platform to launch 100's of rockets into the solar system for much much cheaper
Big, big rockets...
Well oxygen is not as good as hydrogen for a nuclear rocket engine but usable to go towards the outer system for suitable asteroids and comets for things like water and other ices. Also argon gas could be found there to use in ion engines as well.
Sorry I use to work in manufacturing.
I think this might be your best video yet! My mind is BLOWN that the director of NASA is that ignorant.
It was shocking to hear... And terrifying for the future of American spaceflight.
Agreed!
At least he didn't call the Moon a ball of gas, or ask if a Martian rover could see the flag left by Armstrong and Aldrin.
Hah! Who did that? I missed it!
It sounds more like he is playing to his audience, this is for the budget appropriations committee, telling them that the Chinese will find out stuff that we won't is a good way to get more money. I did watch this when it was live, and it did trigger the alarm bells when he said it, but I took it as a "NASA is so broke the Chinese are beating us in stuff". Which is what you want to do in front of the people who are making up your budget.
I was thinking the same thing.
The dark side of the moon can be called so because of radio/communication darkness.
Working in his position, he would know or at least NASA staff would make him learn.
It is very basic understanding this video is claiming he is oblivious of.
@@2canines But he didn't say "dark side". He said "where it is always dark" and this can only be meant in the context of lighting. Therefore he really made a big mistake.
HE said it, that's why I played the video. He's either misleading congress, a crime, or woefully ignorant, a plus in modern American politics it seems.
Exactly...
I even watched the whole meeting, as it sounded so dumb I thought it must have been a deep fake. Sadly he said it.
Someone also said that Nelson also said the "Moon does not rotate", but I do not want to watch it all again to confirm that quote.
Thanks so much for making these
You are most welcome.!
Another excellent presentation.
Thank you so much!
The two types of people in this world that can't be trusted to do the right thing. Politicians and Economists.
Concur vociferously , we could be launching Falcon Heavys to putting unmanned robotic systems on the moon on a monthly basis. One sierra space inflatable , a couple of robotic dozers and a few robotic manipukaters and we could be building a station today.
except...politicians and economists.
Indeed. Sierra Space has been neglected at our peril. Dream Chaser over Starliner any day...
What about most of journalists? Militaries? And so called Big Pharma? And, cough cough... fauci and colleagues?
2:15 The side which is always in the dark.... Wut?!?!?!?!
Something was in the dark but it wasn't the far side...
Artemis has largely been a failure thus far, we dont seem to have the politcal willpower or more importantly the educated public to understand the importance . Reminds me of the EV1 developed by GM in the mid 90s , the first mass produced EV.. They cancelled the program , closed the division , repo'd the cars from happy customers and crushed them after about 1 yr . The quote from the ev1 division chief was something to the effect " educating the public on the use of EV's would be far more expensive than the production of the vehicles" . When there are space articles on the big news sites the comments speak volumes , things like " why isnt this money being used to save earth " and other nonsensical ideas
It has sure cost a lot for so little return...
Omg wtf
It is terrifying isn't it?
Oh my gosh, I wish you hadn’t shown me that clip of the NASA administrator. 😢
Wasn't it scary!
Thank you Dr., for making the case. Hope that NASA reawakens - they named their best telescope after their best administrator, and hope they will reinstate the systems that brought them to excellence in a not too remote past. The story of not knowing what is at the "Dark Side of The Moon", after they have their own LRO, seemed a bad home at the beginning.
"There is a prism projecting a rainbow" - should have been the right answer about the Dark side.
Thank you again, and
Greetings
Anthony
You are most welcome! I do too. Time is running out.
A great update as usual thank you very much.
You are most welcome and thanks for watching!
That was a very enlightening video!
Very interesting and eye opening.
Thank you Deano!
Well said, have you forwarded this to Mr Nelson, or NASA ?
Not yet! I'm scared! They just sent an ISS Insinkerator through someone's house last week! :-)
@@terranspaceacademy Tongue in cheek point well taken, some folks especially high up ones the the director of NASA may have fragile ego's....
Wow this hurts to hear. I am all for exploration no matter who does it but america has lost its way looking into the past for gratification rather than pioneering the future of space exploration. I am continued to be amazed by the private companies in the US and how far they have come. Hopefully privatisation will foster new ways for us to explore the universe. Im proud of all the effort each and every person is putting into our future in space. No matter which country leads the way. Thank you for your content.
You are most welcome and it is indeed troubling. Can we not do better than this? If not I fear for the future of America.
I had no idea the degree to which Bill Nelson was ignorant about the science of space exploration!! I feel like it would require a lack of interest in space science, not just lack of education, to not know about the basics of lunar colonization while holding such a position at NASA.
Great video, I appreciate how well the graphics go with what you are discussing in the video, and the story telling made the video engaging to watch the whole way through. Keep up the good work!
Thank you so much! It's takes a while but it's worth it in the end :-)
You need to be in speech writing. That was brilliant!
Thank you so much!
Holy cr*p - that opening 1 minute is amazing!!!! :)
It's beautiful technology :-)
out of curiosity could you make a gues what the mass penalty is for going to the lunar poles vs the equator?
There is an inclination change that will cost you about... 450m/s. (900m/s vs 1350m/s)
@@terranspaceacademy why thank you, I personally have great hope for NASA's kilopower a 10kwe 40kwthermal reactor that I (personally) believe will be the power answer and how NASA hardware survives the cold lunar night
@@terranspaceacademy What if you change your apoapsis to near escape, do your plane change at near 0 velocity, then allow a lunar capture on the way back, assuming you're doing it for unmanned loads which don't have to carry extra life support?
Excellent analysis and information. I too agree that Bridenstein did a phenomenal job as NASA director.
Thank you! Let's start a petition to bring him back.
Far side of the moon is perfect to install a big network of radiotelescopes and/or optical ones, this alone makes it worth to explore. That said, I don't know if it's the best place for a permanent base (specially one dedicated to industrial activities) because communications with Earth would depend on at least one satellite relay.
But it would be shielded from constant surveillance...
You nail the situation perfectly again! I was messaging with a USSF person last week during a space conference and talking about an Energy storage technology that might work off planet (earth) at DoD bases in the future and they said oh no a treaty prohibits that from happening. I said, yeah right, that treaty is gonna last about two minutes after China establishes their first military (“science”) base on the moon🤷.
That is a fact... The treaty is against weapons of mass destruction anyway. Not power systems etc.
@@terranspaceacademy, She was saying the establishment of a DoD outpost of any kind (on terrain I assume) is prohibited by an international treaty 🤷
Boss, Ensign has an unrelated question: if the Earth's magnetic field diverts cosmic radiation from the surface, is it possible to create an artificial magnetic field of sufficient strength and dimensions to protect spacecraft in space or structures on Mars or the moon? Alone or in combination with other means, like regolith, water or other substances? Thanks!
The thing with Earth's magnetic field is that it's not very strong (0.67 G) but it extends over a great distance. Wikipedia says a fridge magnet is 100G.
If you wind a couple of copper coils around a spacecraft, you should be able to do much better than the Earth's magnetic field in terms of field strength, and the extent of the field depends on the medium around the craft.
You need continuous power, or course. And you need to design your radio equipment to stick out of the field with antennae, or place it at the pole and take into account any distortions - but the poles will not be protected. It's a complication when it comes to communication, but probably very solvable.
The theory is sound and with superconducting magnets... All you have to do is charge them and they'll operate without further power. (With some slow loss of course) Look at the MEEST system by Neutron Star Systems out of Germany. They have the best current design it seems.
Well said.
Thank you!
I always listen very carefully to your dialogue hoping to find fault with it so as to have constructive dialogue in the comments
Very difficult to find fault with anything you've said here
it's very concerning to find other countries willing to align themselves with China and Russia with their attitudes towards human rights etc
Cheers
Thank you so much my friend. I do my best and appreciate your kind words.
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CZcams hates true science! :-)
And CZcams unsubscribed me!
I just noticed, but I still got notifications lol
everything about this is spot on.
Thank you!
Too right, unfortunately
Sadly, so. I would love to be wrong on this one :-)
Saw a video that showed the Chinese version of Falcon 9, that they are working on, and couldn’t help but wonder how They would utilise a rocket with Falcon 9 capabilities. I’m sure they make better use of their copy to advance their space program they might even make some improvements. They might build a complete lunar transfer ship to ferry them to and back from the moon along with lunar lander’s while in earth orbit. The whole thing is rather confusing to me I thought one of the reason for the ISS was to learn how to build things in space, so why step back in time and try to build a Frankenstein clone of Saturn five [SLS].
A second stage like Stoke Space is building would instantly improve the SpaceX Falcon 9 design...
Yes, this is a reality check!
Thank you Ricardo!
I think Jim Bridenstine is much better administrator, no matter spacex or Boeing he threaten and put pressure. He finished the cots program with human space flight, he put a with tough task of Artemis program and able to pull through when decades of previous NASA administrator with new moon project.
I have to agree. I had hoped he would stay on but the politics of the job would be a strain on the family etc.
if we don't get a change in admin it'll be all up to Elon cuz NASA just doesn't have any morale left
Sure seems that way!
I can t believe he said that 😳😵💫😱
I know!
Scientific achievement is no guarantee of administrative competence or sensibility. Neil Armstrong was strongly against the Commercial Cargo program, and Charlie Bolden famously touted SLS in opposition to Falcon Heavy. I am curious - why did you think Bridenstine would be a bad administrator.
None of the above is meant to claim that Nelson has competence or knowledge.
Very true... but someone in his position that long should know these things.
Anybody watch the show "For All Mankind"? Bill Nelson didn't apparently. Neither did anyone in Congress 🤦
If Korolev hadnt died in '66, we'd likely be in a very different world currently (even after accounting for the show's tendency to be overly-dramatic)
You are exactly right... I loved that series, drama and all :-) I hear there will be a fifth season!
👍
:-)
Thumbs up from me.
Thank you!
You are so kind, sir, to merely strongly suggest Mr Nelson educate himself on these matters. I believe he should immediately resign in light of his demonstrated lack of competence. This is a basic, basic failure on his part.
It truly is a monumental failure. Like a doctor asking which side the liver is on...
Great video as always. I cringed when you read his statement. I agree that we need capable people in scientific positions, not political appointees that regurgitate what the person in power wants to hear. I see you are person of culture when you made the Pink Floyd comment.
Thank you so much! I do indeed love the Floyd. One of the few concerts I took my kids to. They were poets :-)
the United States will need an entire bureaucratic purge to address this problem. NASA is only experiencing the downstream effects of affirmative action and selection against talent in favor of HR women (mostly facilitated by the replacement of aptitude testing by credentialism).
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AFFIRMATIVE ACTION! The man could not be whiter. It's the opposite. Old boys club and who you know. Quit buying in to the latest two minute hate and obsessing on your perceptions of race. JUST HIRE THE BEST PERSON FOR THE JOB! Regardless of color, and things will go better.
@@terranspaceacademy the director of NASA is not why NASA is faltering. Sure, he is their public face, but the inner workings of the organization are simply not staffed by the same degree of talent as it was even a few decades ago; the rest of the government is this way, why would NASA be an outlier? Ignoring the effect racial discrimination (via AA) and an obsession with credentialism (via the fetishization of universities) has on talent acquisition is dishonest.
How did this guy become an astronaut in the first place
Connections. Hundreds of qualified people had worked for a decade for the spot he was given.
that's the side that's made of molten cheese.
I knew it!
That is scary, no two ways about it...but the United States has a habit if letting others get ahead, then playing rapid catch up. Manufacturing in low gravity or freefall would give whoever does it a serious advantage....
If I had to guess, a major space and arms race us about to take place.
I agree... I just hope it's not too late.
Nothing in secret even?
Not that I know of...
That is disturbing,
It truly is...
Bill Nelson is about a quart low on embalming fluid.
Hah! :-) That was cold as a morgue slab!
WOW, I found where he said "the Moon does not revolve" at 16min 37 sec of his testimony :(
I hope he meant relative to the Earth...
@@terranspaceacademyeven that would be wrong, since in order to remain tidally locked with the Earth, the Moon has to revolve around its own axis, exactly once per each completed orbit around the Earth.
He was probably a great risk to the rest of the crew in those space flights. imagine finding yourself on a space shuttle and realizing just how dumb your co-pilot is.
That would be scary... "For everyone's safety... We have to space'm!"
Political answers simply restate the question in a different way and explain the question but never actually answer it, Bill Nelson answers questions this way. True people of intelligence don't answer questions this way, They give a thoughtful answer to the best of their intelligence. Since Bill is answering questions in this way, I will have to question his intelligence.
Good point.
America has decided, along with about a dozen other national space agencies, to waste public money on another space station. This time it orbits the moon. This is `so a spaceship can dock with it, people can enter, walk to the other end, get in another space ship, and land on the Moon. But the real reason is that this is the long way to building a permanent and base on the Moon, and while ever the public is paying, they are in a job. Just what can you do on another space station that can't be done on Luna Firma?
Well, the gateway can work as a communications station that can be upgraded and used for most of the far side of the moon. An upgradeable lunar observation satellite. It can work as storage for equipment that isn't needed yet, back up supplies. A docking station for when 4 astronauts go down to the moon, so the Orion and the lunar lander don't have to waste resources. A place for other partner countries to go to (probably on Space X) if they can't afford to land on the moon. A back up port in an emergency. And of course, the Orion (designed under NASA director Mike Griffin) can't get to low lunar orbit and the Orion has an almost unlimited lifespan when docked. Also, NASA has had to mostly jury rig the whole lunar mission due to changing goals and lack of money. Investing in things that might be able to be used for going to the moon. I was originally skeptical of it way back when it was still called the LOP-G. But I looked into it and it does provide improved mission functionality.
Skylab was better than the ISS in many ways... A ring of them could have been put in orbit for what we've spent on ISS.
The Lunar Tollbooth AKA Flop-G was created to give SLS something to do.
Nelson's appointment is a political payback for his support of another individual who knows little about the real world. Our biggest problem is our "go it alone", in most cases, attitude, going to space is expensive and without partners to with the cost and engineering it just too expensive to pull off.
I still wonder if we should have included China and excluded Russia...
oh dear
Indeed!
I usually like Bill Nelson, but that was really bad.
He does seem to be a very nice person.
After reading the comments I have to point out that this is for the budget committee not the science committee. I know I have seen Nelson explain to the science committee that the far side of the moon is only dark for two weeks. This is politics, and Nelson has done a decent job of getting more money for NASA in his time at NASA, which is his job. The budget lockdown forced on NASA could be worse, Imagine NASA getting by on 22 Billion instead of the 25 billion it is getting, and the people he is talking to are the ones who make that decision. Being seen as talking down to them or confusing them with facts only gets you less money.
Dumbing things down that far just makes Congress Dumberer... :-) Educate them while you have the chance.
If the budget committee is really so scientifically-illiterate, then why are they setting NASA's budget in the first place?
@@slavkosky This the house appropriations committee, they don't just do NASA they do everything. One misplaced word can lose your agency billions. Strangely enough a lot of money goes to their districts. It is one of the most prized jobs in congress.
Senator Richard Shelby made sure when he was in the senate NASA got money and that NASA money went to Alabama.
@@terranspaceacademy Education wasn't his purpose there. Getting money was. NASAs budget lost about 2 billion dollars from the 24 budget. These are the people who can make it another 2 billion dollar loss. Notice how he was very careful not to blame them for the budget lock down? Congress people don't like it when things get cut from their states and districts. They might just take it out on NASAs next budget.
On the bright side, Bill Nelson is not focused on Muslim outreach.
Let's keep politics, religion, and s*x out of our science discussions... Well, maybe not politics. It is germane to the discussion.
everybody comment their age i am doing a study on interest in space over multiple ages
419 in dog years! :-)
Decrepit Bill & Joe MUST GO!
Our only two choices are octogenarians...
It’s important to be first, before China.
But China is not ready to put a base on the moon. And Russia is a dying country with 60 year old vehicles.
I agree about Russia but China can get a "base" there withing five years of they dedicate all their resources to it.
"We got lucky. Their greatest engineer died..."? That is a f*cking disgusting thing to say! Change your channel name to "US Space Academy" 🤮
I don't mean that as I wish him dead but in the bigger scheme of things do you wish the Soviets had won? To me he was the greatest rocket scientist/engineer of all time. Worthy of the two Nobel prizes he was denied by the Soviet Union and more deserving of acclaim than even Von Braun. He did however have the misfortune of being born in and having to work for an authoritarian state that sent him to prison for daring to stand up for a comrade. I served to protect the US and the world from that regime and do not lament its passing. Too bad the US is trying to mirror them now.
To old
I don't think that's it. Just ill informed. But maybe.
Nelson reminds me very much of Joe Biden.
How dare you! Nelson will be coming to your home!
the fact that China seeks to settle the far side of the moon given the only perk beyond radio astronomy it would provide is stealth should be a big concern, especially since they've already demonstrated the ability to take out satellites in orbit. LRO could be blinded, then they'd stockpile everything for a nuclear reactor out of sight. You play around with the isotopes and you can get the most strategically useful weapon ever devised I would argue. That is on top of being able to deploy sub-orbital response to any competitive settlement. China's space program does not seem to have much scientific goals built in, but I could be wrong on that.
Much of this conflict is out of civies' access in terms of clearance, just putting together a few headlines and extrapolating.
Carbon fiber third stage starship in the payload bay would be awesome for dropping to the surface imo, brass should look into that if they already aren't . I have no idea where refueling would fit in a rapid response architecture so to speak.
People underestimate China... That will not work out well historically.
I liked Bridenstine
He was awesome. Humble in his success and awed by the immensity of space and science.
Watching this was like being kicked in the private parts, we can only hope he works through his ignorance and promotes a better future😢
It is indeed shocking to think about the important decisions being made by people without an expertise in the relevant area...
China does not have a lunar base. China is in decline because of the birth rate over the last 60 years.
They can still beat us if we don't step up.
Hes like Bidens brother
The do look similar...
Bill Nelson says such stupid things that I started to wonder if this is some AI falsified video.. How is such a person not kicked out the day he said such things?
If you are a young beginner at a company, such idiotic remarks would get you fired immediately and laughed at...
I did too but it's straight from the Congressional feed.
@@terranspaceacademy Thanks for the sad info.
This man has ZERO INSPIRATIONAL ENTHUSIASM. WHY would he ever been put in a leadership position??
Connections my friend... Connections.
@@terranspaceacademy Yep. The Senate confirms nominations, and he was a Senator for decades.
Wtf SpaceX still exists so the US leads the world by decades
How long before some politician with a badge shuts him down?
🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂
We feel your pain :-)
That's true...
Techno Jesus ruined Artemis.
I think Artemis was doomed by the price tag...
Yeah, bring back Lehder who gave the HLS contract to SpaceX and then went to work for SpaceX after she retired. Her ignorance kinda outshines his. Why not do a video on her?
That is not a bad point. I am not a fan of revolving door politics.