Film Theory: Mario EXPOSED the Movie Industry! (Super Mario Movie)
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As you know, Loyal Theorists, we have already broken down our thoughts on FOUR Super Mario Bros Movie theories (and a bonus one on this week’s Short). BUT what we haven’t discussed is whether this movie is actually good or not. So is it? The audience believes it’s amazing, but the critics do NOT agree. So who’s right and who’s wrong? Let’s find out…
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The ironic thing is Turning Red wasn’t released in theaters. The parents could just turn off the TV
Yeah and that movie was fun maybe I’m seeing that way because I have no kids but I don’t see a problem with it I think some parents overrated
I dont know if I want to watch a 2 hour period metaphor...
Good thing it was also a great movie with a really interesting plot.
@@joshuawoodbridge6267 It's definitely not a period metaphor, if there's any metaphor it's that kids should be able to be themselves without their parents crushing their dreams.
It's literally just a story of a girl hiding her panda powers from her family. The period thing is just a joke because the mum thinks she's started her period when in actuality she's transformed into a red panda.
@@joshuawoodbridge6267 if u actually watched the movie and used a single ounce of thought you'd understand it isn't about periods
The real question is why they removed the audience score of Peter Pan & Wendy. It was so bad that they didn't want you to know how bad it is.
It's at 11% audience score. Funny, cuz the critic score is positive. I think this reinforces the video's point.
It's back or something
Interesting
Dude, never knew that!
That's how shook they were.
My wife and I say the same things about rotten tomatoes scores.
If it has a good critic score but an awful audience score then it’s probably technically well made but boring or a slog to get through.
If it has a bad critic score and a good audience score it’s probably a bit less technically well made but is definitely crazy fun (fun bc it’s so bad or fun bc it’s over the top)
We’d rather see an audience score movie than a critic movie bc at least we know it’ll be fun.
A bad audience score but a good critic score could also mean where the movie might be a sequel/adaptation where alone it might be okay but misfits whatever it's connected to in one way or another.
For me, it’s simple. I ignore ALL critics, ALL CZcamsrs, all anybody until AFTER I see it for myself (if I’m even interested in it in the first place), and can form my own opinion. Only then, is it fun for me to check out the reviews retroactively to determine who does or doesn’t agree with MY opinion. Not the other way around.
But since time and money is limited I like to get a critic's opinion first sometimes. If I see Stuckman giving a movie an A, I consider seeing it in cinemas. If its a B, I might see it at home. I haven't gone wrong with this, yet. But in general, your approach is great too of course but I don't want to miss obscure gems.
@@pupsi3523 - That’s fair enough. I like Stuckman. He’s one of the first guys I check out AFTER seeing a film and very often we agree. Other times, we don’t. But I always find his perspectives interesting and enjoyable, even when we don’t agree.
yeah same, i hate having my opinion of something ruined before i even manage to consume it for myself
@@pupsi3523 i mean, either you pirate it and its free anyways, or you have a subscription to some movie watching website and it doesnt really take up any extra money youd be spending anyways, or you go to the cinema, and going to the cinema is always overall a nice and cozy experience regardless of the quality of the movie itself. At least thats how it is for me
that goes double for games as well.
After watching this, I'm still as confused as ever as to why Boss Baby was nominated for best animated movie while A Silent Voice came out the same year and got zero recognition...
It didn't win Best Animated Feature, but yes, it still got nominated while A Silent Voice was ignored by the Oscars. Completely unacceptable.
@@trevorpacelli8056 yeah it was late at night and I messed up what I wanted to say. Ty lol
Oscars are trash and that's why the trash that is Boss Baby was there. There is no love for actual art there, just what people can say they saw a poster for.
@@Sir_Psych I feel like that's pretty much the same case for all award shows in general but yeah u right, oscars are trashy and so out of touch
@@Sir_Psychconsidering Oscar's are more "paid" to be nominated via swag and gifts to the people doing the voting, I agree.
I quote Shigeru Miyamoto himself: “While many foreign critics have given the movie relatively low ratings, I think that also contributed to the movie’s notoriety and buzz.”
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To be fair, I was dead set on watching the movie well before critics started panning it. I was sold on the the trailers, and the fact that I trusted the quality, due to Shigeru Miyamoto being involved and the Studio having a good rep. So after having anticipated it for months, I took my nephews and me and them had a blast. Sure, the pacing was bad, the movie was rather short, and the plot felt thin, but the visuals, the action, the Easter eggs and the overall feel and passion got through. If they keep making more movies, while I hope they improve on some of the shortcomings, as long as the quality is on the same bar as this movie, I think I'll very much look forward tot hem as well.
Not a critic, but I sympathize with them. When viewing any art I am constantly thinking, "What are they trying to say?" The problem is, some movies aren't trying to say anything more than "Hey! Look at me!"
Kinda disagree. All movies sends some message. The problem is, that the critics may not like the message - not modern/innovative/representative/etc. enough and then they just trash it, meanwhile general audience don't care about this snobbish bs, preferencing the plot, logic and the delivery of the message, regardless of its complexity
@@oculusvision558 That's totally fair, I may just be a snob who feels closer to the critics than a "general audience"
you are @@cgillespie78
Pretty much every movie ever that chooses popular actors over better fitting ones
i cannot sing Schaffrillias Productions enough praises as a media review, he’s so incredibly insightful
He's like the worst youtuber essay man out there.
Bros just a hater
He's reeeeeallly smug
Yeah shaffrillias is so good
@@georgeliquor1236bro has never watched Schaffrillas before. He’s incredibly insightful and is good at justifying.
I like someone as huge as Matpat mentioning Pointless hub, Jeremy Jahns, Chris Stuckman, Moist critical or Cosmonaut. It’s nice knowing dope creators fw other dope creators
Literally just thinking about that. It just feels right, bro.
Cosmmonait one of my faocrite yourubers top 3 for sure! My fav!
Jeremy and Chris can miss a lot though so I guess you should just trust your own view rather than others
Other than the 3 mentioned in the video, I like Cosmonaut Variety Hour too. I’d add Mr Sunday Movies and Red Letter Media. My only problem is coverage, Cosmonaut and Mr Sunday tend to focus primarily on fantasy/gaming/comic media, though they will cover other stuff on occasion.
@@davidrich27 Mr. Sunday Movies are hilarious, aside from the movie reviews, I also enjoy their podcasts, gaming vids and the random quizzes haha
The critic score is looking at movies as art, while the audience score looks at movies as entertainment. It's like the difference between a restaurant critic's opinion of a Michelin Star dining experience vs ReviewBrah telling us whether a new fast food is worth trying or skipping. Both are useful, but they're serving different purposes.
It's more that being a film critic makes watching movies very very annoying. Most people see like a movie a month or something, critics see like three a day or at least five a week.
When you see that many movies, you want them to be good, if not great, so they don't all blur together.
I also think when a movie IS artistic critics will sometimes look at the wrong parts of its artistry, and say it's bad for it
@@aff77141 I mean critics weren't a fan of Soldier or Equilibrium, both movies where the main character didn't emote at all for 60 minutes of the movie.
However, one guy was on drugs that kept him from experiencing emotion, and the other was trained and indoctrinated to obey soldiers and feel nothing.
Granted, both films were very very flashy and in a way trying to hard to seem like they had something to say.
I personally love them both, because they're so different from other films.
I don't agree with this analogy.
Art _is_ entertainment. If a piece of art is only enjoyed by those who study it, but not those who want to enjoy it, then it's not a good piece of art!
The problem with critics is 1. that the big critics and their platforms are prone to corporate influence and 2. that many critics are looking at it from too much of a technical, theoretical and analytical viewpoint and fail to recognize how the broad audience consumes and interacts with the art.
EDIT: Plus, what Tevo77777 said, I agree here too. If I watched at least one movie per day, like professional critics do, I'd probably be bored with any movie that isn't absolutely outstanding and groundbreaking, especially since I'd have to watch a lot of movies I don't care about to begin with in order to meet that quota.
Meanwhile, if you go to the cinema once in a blue moin, you won't really mind that a movie is rather mediocre from a technical standpoint, as long as the topic/franchise of the movie is intriguing to you.
This may explain why some movies are hugely popular with the audience but blasted by critics: they captured the fantasy of a casual audience who can look past a technically mid execution of a good concept.
Likewise, a movie that scores well from critics, but disappoints the audience might be executed well in terms of technicalities like cinematography, special effects, acting, screenwriting, but the concept of the movie simply doesn't resonate with the audience.
@@LRM12o8 I disagree that art is entertainment. It is a very reductive statement.
While there is nothing wrong with movies purely focused on entertaining the audience. Most good art is about pushing a certain boundary or at least challenging its consumer. Most good art demands a certain level of thought from its consumer. Instead of pointing and laughing at the funny guy falling, you are meant to interact with art and engage with its ideas.
While I think all people should engage with something artistic throughout their lifetime. I also think that it is okay for the art to not be for everyone.
So an artistic movie doesn't have to be a blockbuster hit. And, vice versa, entertaining movies don't have to be artistic.
The thing about Turning Red was that the demographic was more targeted than most Pixar movies.
My daughter is 9, this movie was her jam. She sometimes goes nuts, randomly yelling parts of it out.
None of the boys she knows watched the movie.
I know so many little girls who loved this coming of age story tailored to them.
Well, that explains a lot.
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After hearing the "your older now talk" this sounds more for kids of the pre-teen demographic, not 9 year olds..... And as far as for boys? This movie is mostly female centered so it makes sense they wouldn't watch it and your daughter did.
This actually isn't a new problem. I've noticed this issue even back in the 90's before internet reviews were even a thing. Reviews for movies that were widely popular among audiences were terrible and reviews for movies audiences hated were great. I even researched all the way back to the 1940's and found that trend has ALWAYS been a thing.
The real answer to why this is a problem is because reviewers are essentially just people giving their personal opinions on something just like everyone else, the only difference is they're getting paid to tell other people what their opinion is. It's really an industry that never should have existed because the pool of opinions is so much smaller than the average movie goer there always was and always will be a huge difference in opinions. Plus really the only person who can tell you if your going to like a movie or not is YOU. A close friend or family member is going to do a better job reviewing a movie and deciding to recommend it or not based on other similar movies they already know you like but a random stranger recommending a movie doesn't know anything about you, why should their opinion matter to you?
Even people who know me and the kinds of movies I like have reccomended some terrible ones completly misunderstanding what it is I like about the movies I watch. Oh you like the Terminator, you should watch the Matrix, it's also a man vs. Machine sci fi story. Nope just cause I like one man vs machine sci fi doesn't mean I'll like another. Oh you like Blade, lets watch Twilight. Nope those are not Vampires! Oh you like Comedies, here's an Adam Sandler movie, sorry I don't really find him that funny.
When we're talking about a reviewer who is a total stranger to me the recommendations are going to be even worse cause they obviously wouldn't even have a sense for what kind of movies I do like and will give Jim Carrey films really low ratings even though I love his movies, even the "bad ones" like the Cable Guy.
The issue has only gotten worse with the internet as a lot of reviews are given without ever actually having seen the movie in the first place. I have literally seen comments from people who admitted they never watched a movie or TV show but still posted a review of it making up things to hate about something they never watched. I've also noticed other people copy and paste comments from other reviews as their own totally unaware that they're spreading misinformation because the original source they copied from never actually saw the thing they reviewed.
I watched it happen multiple times and information spreads so quickly online that opinions end up being taken as fact.
That’s a really good point ngl. We need more people to see this comment
Those copy and paste comments are most likely bots, which is another thing in its entirety
Exactly. Well written.
To be fair, the advantage that Critics have is that they are also more objective.
We as audiences CHOOSE which movies to watch... so we watch and expect things to fit what most people would expect.
If you are someone who'd like something that looks like the Mario movie, you would watch it...
A critic would watch it even if it isn't something they'd like... they don't have that same choice.
Critics watch things regardless if it's their taste or not...
But in turn, that's their value...
A critic score isn't for people who would know it fits their taste... it's for people who don't think that way.
Or for the Last Jedi. The audience score is the opinion of Star Wars fans, while the critic score is the opinion of a non-fan...
Only you know what you like I guess
Whilst it was kinda covered in the video, it's important to note that when a critic reviews a movie, they watched as part of their job, not just casually, and aren't necessarily fans of the source material if it's from a previously established franchise. Also, the audience score isn't comprised of everyone, but specifically people who:
1) Decided to watch the movie, meaning they are likely part of the movie's demographic, including fans of the potential source material.
2) Are people who watched it, and then bothered making a review of it on Rotten Tomatoes.
Wells it’s people who either liked it or hated it enough to review it
I think especially the 2nd point is extremely relevant. Like reviews for everything, you typically only review things you have strong feelings about. You hate it or you love it. Critics review the movie either way though
It has nothing to do with that, it's all rigged. The critics give the film the rating they are told to give it, they are just pawns with no control over what they say or give the movie. If the movie or game tows the political line it gets raving reviews even if it's garbage. If it isn't towing the line it gets bombed
I agree, but I would also add that there's not room for nuisance in these aggregate scores. Critics like Siskel and Ebert didn't just give a thumbs up or down and leave it at that. They were usually able to express their perspective in an entertaining way and have a discussion between the two of them. Attention in internet discourse often encourages people to give broad reactionary takes and doesn't necessarily encourage a lot of reflection or middle of the road takes. Everything has to be the best or worst movie in recent memory. Most critics probably didn't despise the Mario movie, but they just didn't love it and would prefer you spend your money on a film with less publicity they watched that they feel is more deserving of your attention. Universal and Nintendo aren't exactly hurting for your money at this point, regardless of the film's quality.
This! Thank you! It will never stop being important to listen not only to what people are saying, but also were are they coming from when they do
We love cinema therapy. It’s both a film production analysis as well as character analysis from the POV of a psychologist analysing the characters’ mental states etc
YES!!
Crying with Alan❤
I'm also a big fan of that channel! They teach me a lot about therapy stuff. They have made me appreciate movies that I originally thought were not so good
I love them!
Cinema Therapy is really good too!!
I guess what I've learned from this video, is that rotten tomato scores are for how creative and unique a movie is, while the audience score is the overall liking people had for a film.
Thank you so much Matpat for showing off so many CZcams movie reviewers, they’re some of my favorite videos to watch and see how others think about movies I love
I'm sure making that comment must have been really difficult
When it comes to reviewers, my two favorites are Saberspark and Schaffrillas Productions. They mostly review animated movies/shows, but I respect their opinions since they not only break down what they review into different aspects like animation, story, acting, etc., but also look at it from both their own personal tastes as well as from a general audience's point of view.
I agree with Saberspark he is a great reviewer!
poor schaff hes gone through so much
@@fishmaster665 not really I feel like most people agree with him
@Insert name here No that's not what they meant, he was in a car crash and unfortunately while he survived his brother and best friend didn't. :(
Took the words out of my mouth.
The whole video, the thing that stuck out most to me was how Mario's critic score was VERY SUSPICIOUSLY just 1% below "Fresh" and I'm glad you eventually called that out. You might say it's conspiracy-ish, but I think faked conflict is a huge marketing driver for the studios, and manipulating score outcomes is so easy to do. You don't even have to lie, just engage in the right amount of selection bias and everything falls their way. Whether that way is rotten or fresh doesn't matter, so long as the discrepencey is created.
I loved the fact that you gave a shout out to YT reviewers, as that’s actually where I’ve gotten my critic perspective from for years now! Sometimes I don’t always agree with them, but I like getting the differing perspectives! Especially as a filmmaker myself (animation college major). Finding the right critics that speak to you but also might not always agree with you is a healthy way to engage with differing perspectives and criticism. It’s healthy to see different perspectives and why others might think that way, but also acknowledge that it being different from your perspective doesn’t make your opinion any less valid. It’s what I love about art, it’s all subjective at the end of the day.
Anyways, great video MatPat! I really appreciated all the points you made!
Sean Chandler is my personal favourite critic. I almost always agree with his scores and he makes videos on basically all the franchises I like, plus so much more. Top tier guy.
One of the worst things i ever did was learn about plot structure and character development. I have such a hard time watching stuff now because i am looking for those elements. I imagine the critics are the same way.
It’s fun to study things but if you get mentally stuck in a paradigm of “how a story should be told” then you will struggle to enjoy certain films that simply do it differently. Not worse, or better, just differently. What you should be asking is, “why does this still work even though it doesn’t go about it in a traditional way?”
My little sister’s friend said one of my favourite characters in my comfort movie doesn’t have a personality and I was so offended that I haven’t watched it again since for fear of seeing that she has a point
This was me with novels after my 11th grade English class.
Real
My wife tells me that same thing LoL.
She affectionately tells me I "ruined movies" for her because I showed her how to critique movies.
But another thing we like to watch together are food shows. and just because we learned the proper technique to cut an onion does not mean when a restaurant or a friend does not use that technique that we say their food tastes "bad".
First and foremost, did we have FUN while watching the movie? if we did, we don't say a movie is bad. It may not be great, or maybe not even good, but our standard is "Did we have fun?" If so... movie is "below average" at worse for us.
Schaffrillas productions and Filmento are probably my favourite youtube movie reviewers since there's a decent mix of critic and casual watcher perspectives with both of them.
schaffrillas also makes his videos so fun to watch, love him man
Im subbed to both
Filmento is great for movie analysis but not reviews , because that's not his format and his videos come too late. At that point the movie has left theatres. Schaffrillas is good but i feel like he's too opinionated and abrasive sometimes. A lot of movie critics don't have neutrality and end up forming culture tribes (Grace Randolph, Critical Drinker, Movie cynic). I think the ones MatPat recommended are actually the best Movie critic starter pack, especially Dan Murrell who's probably the best movie reviewer on the internet.
Same I had to look up how to spell schaffrillas productions, didn’t know how to spell his name
I love how MatPat can't just realize that the critics are paid
Corn Pop was a bad dude.
I always try to look at a piece of media with one (well, two-in-one) main question: what is it trying to do and does it succeed? Even shoestring-budget found footage can be entertaining if a filmmaker knows this and leans into it. I thought The SMB Movie achieved what it was trying to do and was a fun time, and I was not disappointed
Very wise.
I really like Alex Meyers and Saberspark. Alex is really funny, and he keeps his opinions pretty simple, so they're easy to understand. And Saber also keeps things pretty simple, while also making sure to explain why he did or didn't like something about a movie
I really liked seeing Saber react to Animal Farm as that one was I watched in high school. It's older, but my teachers liked to find movies that went along with the books we read in English class, and then would write essays about the differences and similarities. It's neat to get that perspective, and I like how Saberspark focuses on animation which is often something critics aren't a fan of to begin with, regardless of the target demographic.
Liked Saber too until he started talking about being a furry in almost every video.
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@@xXANIMANITEEXxnd that matters why?
(Don't get me wrong, I almost never watch his furry videos, (unless it's Lackadaisy) but why does him mentioning Furries matter?)
Alex Meyers makes me want to commit war crimes. His video titles are annoying and his avatar is a rip-off of TheOdd1sOut. Saberspark is fine, but the voice he uses for his videos is just so strange to me, like he's portraying this character; he's more voice-acting than narrating.
Thank you for covering this! The review system has been so unreliable and it makes it impossible to be sure about how a movie really is…
It's so bad that a general rule of thumb is that if the Critics don't like a movie, it should be watched and vice versa
Better than Doug Walker. HA!
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I would say memes and social media is the best way to judge a movie
@@liamphibia Why, he watches the movies so you don't have to
I love your videos! They just don’t feel like watching a normal boring CZcams video like it’s so interesting and entertaining naturally
I appreciate you and your team's work. Love these Theories!
I absolutely love Cinema Therapy. You have an actual filmmaker in Alan who delves into the filmmaking aspect, and then they usually review movies that give life lessons or deal with family issues because of Jonathan who is a family therapist, so between the two of them you really get a good idea of what makes a movie good, and how you can actually learn from them, or just watch them enjoy it and cry if it makes them sad.
Yes, I'm so glad their channel has grown. Jonathan and Alan make me appreciate the work and artistry that goes into the character development and general writing. They made me completely reconsider my opinion on the Star Wars sequels.
I love Cinema Therapy!!!! My boss and I talk about episodes all the time!!! It’s our “geek” office bonding time. 😂
I don't think they give you a good idea about "what makes a movie good" rather than "what makes a CHARACTER good (or believable/realistic)". But, I totally agree that I love Cinema Therapy. I'm so glad that you brought them up, @CynderChan3843.
Therapy and movie commentary? What’s better!?
I was going to shout these guys out too! Adore both of them so much.
I feel like the critic score and the audience score is looking at movies in a different way that are sometimes good or bad and amazing video man :]
Bro you have truly opened my eyes so many times I will always be here for you
My personal favorite way to use rotten tomatoes is finding one or two critics you like, you can check any critics profile instead of the movies page and it will show which score they gave alongside the full comment
Your analysis is spot on. I'm an amateur critic. I've been co-hosting a movie review podcast for over a decade and your description of what critics like and dislike fits me and my co-host perfectly. And it's exactly because we have to find things to say about a different movie every week. When you consume a particular kind of media that frequently and attentively, you naturally seek novelty. Both so you can find something interesting to say about it and to avoid boredom.
I feel like if we can change that idea, that you always need something new to say, it might start to put things on a better track. Sometimes, things just are similar enough, or boring enough, to elicite a similar response.
That, and, if you can, watch the movie twice: once to enjoy it, with a mindset more like the average moviegoer, and a second to pull apart and critique.
Are you writing reviews for critics to read, or for "everyday people?" Aren't you supposed to "describe" the appeal of a movie, even if it doesn't appeal to YOU that way? Idk... I always thought you were supposed to "get into the mind of your audience" to generate good ideas and opinions that actually mean anything to them.
@@Ortorin Wouldn't a review like that be really disingenuous? Rather than give their honest opinion, you'd want them to say why other people might like it instead? I don't think any review should be that way personally. I see videos on CZcams with titles like "My HONEST opinion" as if honesty isn't something we should normally expect.
@@denverarnold6210 We both do something like that with the music review show that we also do. We listen to that week's album 3 times with different levels of attention and it's usually a different experience each time. If it were feasible to do that with a 2 hour movie in a week, I think it would help, but it just takes too much time.
@@Ortorin I'm not going to try and second guess what anyone else's experience with a piece of media is going to be like because I'm not in their head. All I can do is try my best to articulate my experience with it. We've recorded over 500 episodes, our listeners have had plenty of time to work out what our biases are.
I really hope that this will be the case with Elemental. I’m really excited for the movie, and I want it to succeed. The critics saw the film at the end of a very prestigious film festival, so it’s natural for it to be deemed not as high by default in my opinion. So hopefully it does well!
Elemental…. so cookie-cutter it hurts.
Great video as always man. I now feel like I should get into movie critiquing.
Reminds me of old footage I saw on CZcams of people lining up outside theaters in the 80s being interviewed.
Interviewer: So, what are your expectations?
Fan: It's gonna be great!
Interviewer: Really? But the critics are panning it.
Fan: Pfft, what do they know?
The movie in question? This little flick you might've heard of called "The Empire Strikes Back".
What made me really like the Mario movie was hearing the kids in the audience cheer, gasp and laugh. Not many movies do that anymore
Reminds me of the theater reacting to Tobey in no way home, I never say anything or react loud to a movie but it was instinctive when I saw Tobey lol
I think my theater also had a lot of rowdy kids and their parents. A lot of laughter and "wow"s throughout.
my brother is over 40 years old. The first time I heard him giggle so many times over a movie is in the Super Mario movie, every time Lumalee appears.
It made me happy to hear my very serious brother laugh at the cinema
I saw this movie with my sister and we grew up with Mario as kids. Being different, knowing we both had an interest in the same material was refreshing, but I loved all her reactions like excited to see her favorite character Donkey Kong pop up, going "Aww" 😢 when Mario and Luigi got separated and "Aww" 🥲 when they reunited, and even telling Mario and Luigi to "Get the star! Get the star!" during the final battle. It was so awesome seeing my little sister by 2 years react like a kid again to video game characters we know. She even started humming the Bowser "Dudda-dudda-dudda" song to herself on the way home.
Mario Bros was the first movie my 5 year old sat all the way through, completely engrossed the entire time.
Puss n Boots was close, but a bit too much of a challenge in some regards.
And it packed more than enough nostalgia for me to smile and reminisce about. It was absolutely perfect for what it was.
Even people who are perfectionists, tend to be a bit of a critic, while also trying to make something perfect. I tend to be a bit of a perfectionist; but I also understand that not EVERYTHING has to a perfect film or adaptation.
I want to personally thank MatPat because before this video I didn’t understand Rotton Tomatoes and the percentage systems but watching this video now I understand, MatPat truly is a teacher ✊🏻✊🏻✊🏻
the critic smear campaign of Alita Battle Angel instantly comes to mind. that year was a total mess for rotten tomatoes overall and started to expose the inner workings of the site
My favorite movie that year.
I thought alita battled angel sucked sucked And i see how Mario is weird as a movie. It was entertaining though
Alita was great. The worst part about it was how James Cameron left the cliffhanger sitting there for years working on the mediocre snoozefest that was Avatar 2 instead of working on the sequel
Are you implying that critics didn't genuinely dislike the film?
One opinion I head and agreed with is that Critic Scores aren't meant for people who'd know they'd like the kind of movie from seeing the trailer.... audiences would just expect the movie to deliver that.
The critic score is for the people who wouldn't know if they'd like it based on the trailer.
The Last Jedi for example. Audience score was the score of the fans. They had expectations that weren't met.
Critic scores were for non-fans... it gave them a perspective outside of the fandom....
I saw one critic's review that princess Peach wasn't a boss girl enough and that the movie should've centered around her. 🤣
Just see what happened to the new Peter Pan movie, everyone hated it.
Yikes, they already chucked Luigi out of 90% of the movie so Peach could girlboss as much as possible. What more do they want in a movie that’s supposed to be about two brothers?
@@AbsentMinded619they love alot of changes
@@AbsentMinded619just sad
Yeah, take a whole game series based around Mario saving Peach and make her the main character and boss b*tch. Gotta love the wokeness.
@@musashiblade1512 stay sleeping, NPC, stay sleeping.
Mat youre chaotic 😂😂 that nugget at the end actually made me giggle
We can now ho with reviews as: "Subjective Art" vs "Subjective Entertainment". What was enjoyed about tye movie over what was shown in the movie.
Instead of it being one dimensional for both being entertainment, they can both be used as the metaphor for what people liked about the adventure overall, and not the colorful moving pictures alone.
Same could be said for video games as well.
MatPat shouting out Dan Murrell was not something I expected but I'm happy to see it
A wonderful reviewer for me is Filmento, he is not just giving an opinion or calling out a mistake or mistep, but giving lessons and good analogies of what could you do if you want to do a movie, avoiding all the misteps, or narrative issues that many ones have
only problem with him is he doesnt really do reviews of movies still in cinemas so he doesnt then have much impact on what I watch. But i like his more retrospective deep dive style.
@@Leo-ll2fg that's for good reason. If he disects films that are in cinema and puts them on his videos, that would be illegal. As blurays and other digital copies of movies are only available 3 months after their premiere. His videos are literally "this scene is where it all went wrong" in most cases, and for that to happen he needs to show parts of the actual movie.
Doing this makes him step away from a lot of legal trouble unlike other CZcamsrs that review stuff with illegally filmed and downloaded movies which get taken down almost immediately and are in legal problems with the corporate behemoths.
And, yeah, having the time to watch the movie. Actually critiquing it and watching again at his place makes his content more precise. That takes a lot of time to pull off. So, having a 3-5 month late review on a movie for his style of content is honestly worth it.
That man has the sexy voice too
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I liked him until he started trying to sell, for MONEY, a how-to book on something he himself has never actually done, that is make a movie. That took him from interesting and insightful to downright arrogant in my opinion. If he ever makes a movie and it breaks the box office, I will come back with apologies and tears for days, but until then, I don't think he should be encouraged in the belief that he somehow knows best when it comes to making movies.
My theory is that critics want a film to have a message that reaffirms their own beliefs about the world around them. Meanwhile the general audience wants to forget the world around them. That's why films that won't touch current events with a 10 foot pole tend to do better with audiences and worse with critics.
Schaffrilas is a yt movie critic that i recommend, hes very fun but knows what he likes and why and has good explanations to back up his opinions
The reality of modern critics vs modern audiences is that critics are mainly just paid by major media to help push a narrative while audiences are usually just asking themselves " did I have fun and enjoy watching this movie"
No, it isn't.
@@alhena11 yes it is. It's been confirmed many times that many positive reviews are payed for.
Are ALL of them? probably not.
But trying to act like it's not a thing is just kissing the feet of Coporate Hollywood and acting willfully ignorant.
Again this isn't to say every positive critic score is payed for. But you can't pretend like it isn't a thing.
@@alhena11We have spotted the critic. You are only here to drive the conflict and get a rise out of people.
You say “push an agenda” like they’re trying to indoctrinate people. They’re just some dude who prolly writes reviews as a side job, gets paid to do it, and maybe writes an overly positive review bc he knows someone in the movie personally.
I figure it’s more “Is it fun” vs “Is it unique”
Dan Murrell is honestly one of the best movie reviewers around. Even if you don't agree with him, you completely get why he did or did not like something and he explains to the best of his abilities why it is he feels that way. He understands the audiences that films are targeting. He breaks down demographics for who and who isn't watching film. He will acknowledge when he gets information wrong or makes statements without all the facts. I loved him at Screen Junkies/Fandom and I still love him now that he's gone independent.
Pointless hub:
Does moviesins count as a movie critic?
@@bomerdoomer69420 very critical critic to the point it just makes you depressed
Kinda want to mention this about the Ghostbusters Afterlife thing. The movie was probably made to be familiar yet different as a way to Segway into this new era of Ghostbusters movies as the upcoming one seems to be a whole lot newer but continues with the characters and stuff from Afterlife. I also think they made it this semi-familiar because last time they tried to make a new era with the fourth movie with the women team, it was completely new and ended up not performing well.
I too watch Jahns, Stuckman, and Murrell but I also love Blind Wave. Even though they are a reaction channel, they have a lot nerd knowledge that I tend to agree with.
The gap between seeing a movie as art and as an enterteiment will be forever present in popular culture, not only in movies but in anything ever made in general
But isn't art supposed to be entertainment in the first place?
@@dieptrieu6564 I think it spouse to be engaging draw you in and make you watch and the best way to do that is to be entertaining
@@dieptrieu6564 Oh boy, You are digging a 2000 years hole. Movies are in a special place because the craft needed to produce them can called art (like animation, acting, music etc etc) and at the same time have nothing of value to add, for example a movie like morbious; You can argue there is a lot of art involved yet is trash
@@danyosuna7276 And what value does sticking a banana to the wall add? Art is entertainment. It's just how it is. Someone like it someone don't. It doesn't need to have any value other than that
@@USSAnimeNCC- I mean at the core, every art entertaint someone. Either it the artist themselves or other
One of my favourite movie and TV reviewers is a guy called Alex Myers. He does a whole range of things but mostly kids to teen films. He is really funny and engaging like matpat and I can not stop watching him. I would not say he does a real big deep dive into the movie or anything but it is worth checking out anyway =)
YESS another Alex Myers stan!!
Can confirm is good
Yeah, he good.
Matpat, my buddy, THANK YOU SO MUCH for talking about the Venom movie. I went and saw it with a friend and my parents when it came out originally, and my parents originally didn't want to go. Of course, there were a lot of different factors involved, but one of the main reasons was the critic reviews. Honestly, I was a fan of venom from the original comics, and I had a blast! The moster lovers were definitely a big part of the reviews methinks, but it had enough action to intrigue the average marvel fan, and Tom Hardy really put his all into it.
Watch and seeing his face again feels so good😢
I think in general critics try to rate how good a movie is while the audience rates based on how enjoyable it is.
It's like food, they judge it based on look, smell, taste, texture, a professional perspective while for us if its delicious its good enough
Then how is last Jedi that high?
@@kadenfuller8166 they are paid to do so. There are political incentives. As most business nowadays
I think you are sorta right, but there are plenty of good movies that are enjoyable that audiences don’t like. There are multiple aspects to enjoyability, critics enjoy quality films and aren’t going to be persuaded by just a movie made to be fun.
The recent Puss in Boots is an example of both where it is a fun all ages experience like Mario, but also has actual effort in the quality aspect. It’s a good example of why we shouldn’t be upset movies like Mario don’t get good critic scores, because there are movies that put in the effort and achieve both, and they should be rewarded for that
@@castielchieng7475 I think this only really applies to movies that are more of artsy films. Plenty of movies don’t fall into this category. Movies that critics don’t like but audiences love are like Junk food, the taste fine but they lack substance and their are tastier options that are actually good food. Critics like movies that actually put effort into more than just being a crowd pleaser.
I think people understand this a lot with music. Pop songs are very popular, but a lot of people will not recognize many of them as that great of songs but just catchy and easy to listen, with little substance.
The problem with "negative" reviews on Rotten Tomatoes is that it could also refer to mixed thoughts.
@@claragerew4659 i think you're a bot
Same with fresh reviews. A fresh review could be a 6/10 or B- and a rotten review could be a 5/10 or C+, even though these ratings all just mean it’s okay. That’s why it’s also good to look at the average rating because a movie with a 30% and a movie with an 80% could actually have a similar critical consensus.
17:41 wow you were spot on with this conspiracy theory
I really enjoy the conversations about movies from caravan of garbage / the weekly planet (same people) they give enough information prior to know if I'm rushing to watch something and give good behind the scenes and trivia stuff if I've watched something already
Bruh, the Mario movie was the date night movie for the last date I went on, we both had a wonderful time and it was really fun getting each other's reactions, exchanging Easter eggs we noticed and just overall experiencing that wonderful movie together, totally recommend
awwww
:D
Cant say going to movies for dates are nice but ok
@@handsomesponge9952 Yes but if you go to a Mario movie and you date is in on the fun, then boy you have a high chance for a keeper.
@@SIPEROTH thats true, even if you dont get to know eachother in a movie date, mario is mario
@@handsomesponge9952 Not only that but if she had fun with that you at least know she is not a stuck-up of the type: "OMG, you took me to the cinema instead of an expensive restaurant and to see a stupid video game movie that you video game geeks like? What a looser!".
Not being of that type is already a pretty good start.
Y’know I always wondered how these critic score disparities happen! But that 59% conspiracy idea is something else… 👀
I think Mat saw the same showing of Cats that Page 7 went to. Meowing at the screen, even the Taylor Swift girl.
Also for animation I always go for Saberspark
And for weird/vintage animation or stop motion, I go to Steve Reviews, both great.
What matters is what the audience thinks, if you make a movie for the fans, it will make money.
That’s exactly what the Super Mario Bros. Movie did.
Tell that to those who rated dreck like The Rise of Skywalker, Jurassic World: Dominion, or Batman v Superman.
But fans aren't the only audience, this is a movie which is going to get attention from non-fans extensively.
@@Dragoonsoul7878 exactly
@@Dragoonsoul7878 Mario fans don’t seem to understand this. They get mad when people point out their nostalgia isn’t everyone’s nostalgia. A film critic who doesn’t play Mario isn’t getting anything interesting or fresh out of the Mario movie. It’s a pretty generic movie when you actually look at it as a movie first and a mario product second.
personally i really love Schaffrillas Productions. he is so funny, very real, and just reminds you of your everydsy guy who just has a deep passion for animation as a whole
FINALLY FOUND SOMEONE WHO MENTIONS SCHAFFRILLAS. I love that guy, his reviews are always so entertaining.
Crazy how a guy who started doing CZcams poops is now a respected film critic.
Exactly and Schafrillas delivers it in an entertaining way as well
Superb
Shiny thumbs-up
I knew this came out and waited to see the movie myself before seeing the theory, and then went to game theory first to find it 😭
I also think people aren't really trained to view things they like critically. This one friend of mine hates watching movies with me, because I always leave the theater talking about the points I would improve, even if I liked the movie.
High boi is honestly one of the most insightful and intelligent movie critic EVER. His takes are very interesting and mind blowing. Each of them just puts me in a new perspective every time. I'd rate that guy 7 peanut butter dog out of 11 weekly hospital trips
His reviews are always at the top of my list. I'd rate his content 9 jalapeños poppers out of 12 refreshing naps
I'd give him 6 do you yields out of 9 I do nots
I give High Boi 4 weeds out of 20 hours he is goated.
I'd give him 203 Tylenols out of 9 Penicillins.
6.................just a 6................could be a six out of 6 could be a 6 out of 100 you will never know
Love how Matpats intentionally didn't spoil anything I already saw the movie and it's amazing but it's just nice to see he didn't spoil it for anyone who hasn't
11:58 Fun fact: Turning Red isn’t the first (or last) time Disney talked about “That time of the month.” That honor actually goes to 1946’s The Story Of Menstruation. Yep, Disney was talking about lady parts all the way back in the 40’s.
Fav top critics: Red Letter Media, Double Toasted. They know comedy and funny is half the battle. 🌠
Reel School - this guy knows his stuff and goes deep. He manages to get some behind the scenes info and even interviews people involved. He never built up much traction, but was my go-to film reviewer.
I just saw Mario in theatres today with my 2 young kids, the score had me nostalgic, and the kids had fun - I also managed to spot some easter eggs. Thumbs up all around.
The reasons you like him are the same reason he will never be allowed to get a meaningful following
Schaff is my go-to for any animated movie or literally anything that disney owns. I also used to watch 24 frames of Nick a lot and he does coverage of a lot more movies than schaff but he can be a little much. However i would recommend either of those channels.
Tbh most of the critics were justified in their review of the Mario Movie, because giving an honest review of movies is their job. Also, at the end of the day, reviewers have an equal right to display their opinions as us regular viewers do. Also it’s absolutely pathetic if anyone actually gets emotionally touched by an individual’s opinion on a piece of entertainment.
This reminds me in realtime how I felt about the Sonic 2 movie. That was another film that was unapologetically a kids movie to the detriment of the enjoyment of someone like me who grew up with Sonic. But I remember in the theater my heart growing three sizes because I noticed this while watching it. I wasn't having a great time, but all the kids were, and who is Sonic really for if not for kids? And there still were some good parts for me, I'm not saying I hated it. But it definitely is a movie that doesn't really having very much in it for you if you're an adult.
When it comes to animated movies saberspark has got to be my favorite. He mentions all the important parts on the film like the animation, plot, voice acting and so on.
Me too!
Epic choice
Happy 12M, Film Theory! I've been a fan of the channel since its first month launched (even before I know Game Theory existed!), and this is a massive milestone! Keep up the incredible work, Team Theorist!
Love Mario ❤
Love Mario ❤️
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i love how the theorist team used a stock photo of my local century theatre in Cedar Hills, OR.
My man did not just call Kung fu panda “children’s fodder”
One point you might have missed is the audience sometimes has a protest vote (The Last Jedi) or an ironic comedy vote (Morbius) which can skew things even further.
Review bombing?
The last jedi wasn't really a protest vote. Negative review bombing tends to be fixed or confirmed after a year or so. See Sonic going back up after bombing or she hulk going down then up then back down after the finale.
@Jacob Campbell who mentioned the last jedi? That's just one example among many.
The Last Jedi's audience score accurately depicts what the actual movie was like: Non-lore conforming, unexplainable, dumb, political-siding, awful characterisation, twists made for twist shock value etc. The critics and Hollywood went downhill since then!
@@NG-gy6iv The OP mentioned The Last Jedi.
I love watching cinema therapy! They talk through plots and relationships and stuff in movies and it's fun to hear their opinions
Funny thing, another film that critics liked while audiences didn't was sausage party.
Yeah @@breadandcircuses8127, alongside little evil and cuties.
7:27 thank you someone finally says it.
Every restaurant I work at wants to categorize mushrooms as vegetables.
A category that mushrooms do not belong in.
I mean, you really can't go wrong with Schafrillas productions, he's really funny and gives his opinions on a LOT of things, like videogames, movies, musicals, etc.
I've been looking for this comment
Yeah, I know right.😃
Schafrillas for the win!
Not only does he give an opinion but he also states why he came to that option and is willing to state whether it's biased or not.
Schaff is good, but I do remember absolute hating his review of Turning Red. He really missed the mark on that one. Other than that, I enjoy his videos, especially the ones where he ranks films.
He's not a film reviewer but thank you for giving SkillUp some shine because personally I think he knows how to strip a game down to the boards and examine everything, and his Mario Bros movie review I thought was on point.
I am personally a fan of Sean chandler, he always gives a good explanation about his ideas and he is never really to much on 1 side.
Me too. Love the guy. Especially his tragic origins.
And now months later after he made this very compelling video we find out that rotten tomato has been taking bribes from movie studios together movie a positive score
My favorite part was when matpat said “it’s reviewing time” and reviewed all over film theory
I was there. 🔥💀💀
As a movie theatre employee we were expecting this and so were our companies projections. Easily biggest of the year so far
Now I want to game theory on what the divide between game critics and gamers are
If critics want a really deep and truly meaningful movie, then Bionicle 3 is perfect for them
Why do you bring up Bionicle 3?
@rustyshackelford4224 it's a very meaningful movie
Schaffrillas Productions is one of my favorite youtube channels of all time. He makes great movie reviews that are hilarious and provide perspective. Definitely recommend
He's the type of guy who will say "Yeah, Movie/Show is bad, I recommend watching it though" and that's why i like his reviews
@@Fatih_M177 Yeah
I think with Turning Red, it resonated more with a smaller audience, mainly like asians and teens that had roughly similar experiences or similar elements. I enjoyed it a lot but I'm definitely not surprised it didn't go very well for others.
I generally agree with that. And that is the problem, people vote things based on what their emotional reaction to it is.
I enjoyed Turning Red as a man myself from the viewpoint of having to find a way as a child to please your parent but find your own identity at the same time. And hearing my wife say what she related to or didn't in the movie was also fun.
But only some movies, like Avatar Way of Water, are written to have a wide appeal.
Even if you look at Top Gun Maverick, it did not do as well as other movies internationally because it is unapologetically American patriotism.
So movies have different audiences. I don't think I should say a My Little Pony movie is "trash" just because I am not the target audience.
@@johnathancooper5753 tbh having to please your parent sounds more abusive the more i think about it parents are so bad these days and i feel like the parenting system should be reworked entirely
as an asian saying turning red resonates with asians is kinda racist ngl like its such a cringy piece of trash of a movie that i find that statement kinda racist against me theres nothing asian about that movie except the main character being asian and the abusive parent that wants their child to be perfection rly the rest is just teen stuff and i find relating something as trash as turning red to my race kinda racist
@@iMandyVids This comment made my day XD
@@blitzwolfer4154 I’m scared for the younger half of Gen Z and the upcoming generation
when I watch a movie, I'm immediately thinking about the Screen Crush easter egg video that I'm gonna watch when I get home. they tell me what I just watched, what I missed and what it all means. especially nerd-specific movies (marvel, DC, fantasy, sci-fi, etc)
Gotta shout out filmento channel! Great sense of film for reviews etc.
The movie industry has been that way since a long time. It’s only now we just realized that.
Such is the Blessing and Curse of the Internet. The internet didn't make us weirder or more evil, it simply made exposing said weirdness and malice much easier to do.
Only now we have realized???
Nah man I already got that down pat
We?
Pointless statement. No one ever put a timeframe on when the industry fell apart. Just that a veil was pulled and people are enlightened now
What do you mean it's only now? It's been "realized" for quite a while.
MatPat: “Classics like Lord of the Rings, Gladiator, and The Matrix”
My Dad from across the room: “I’m so old! Aghhh!”
Some time ago around 2015's there was this guy on polish side of yt, who made reviews of movies. I distinctly remember that like half of his audience treated his reviews in reverse going to movies he didnt like and avoiding ones he did. He liked artistic indie movies and talked about them beautifully but if he really liked something it was often too much for many of us.
I walked out the theater when Mario and Luigi did not have an Italian accent.
Can’t believe he talked about the divide between critics and audience scores and didn’t mention cuties, by far the biggest divide in scores with critics scores being 87% and audiences being 15%,THATS A 72% DIFFERENCE, it’s also why I focus audience scores over critic scores ever since
what movie is that
@@joshthompson2535a movie about girls 8-10 shaking butts, yes that is literally the main point of it
@@joshthompson2535 If I remember correctly it was a movie about a childrens dance group competition. In it they had the girls dress….pretty bad. Not only that the dance moves were also sus. It was supposedly about female empowerment but came off as some pervs fantasy.
Nah, that Seth Rogan Santa Show was way worse
Oh and Netflix greenlit it and defended the movie saying everyone didn’t just understand it or something along those lines. While canceling shows that were way better.