How much power will heads, cam, and intake get you?
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- How much power will adding heads, cam, and intake to your Ford Mustang give you?
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Damn plugs will get you everytime... Can't wait for the next dyno run!
I have made it a habit to change plugs min once a year so things like having an issue with plugs doesn’t happen as often started doing that after I cracked a ring landed from a big misfire on 1 of my turbo car
Ever get it back over there to dyno it?
What plugs and gap do you recommend for the 5.0s?
I'd be happy with 300hp in my 90 LX. That would be a blast
Also check all your ignition components. Back in the day when i dynoed my gt40p combo it would start sputtering the exact same way. We changed plugs, adjusted timing and it was still there. We changed the cap/rotor and it got better. But once we changed the stock ignition coil....BAM! No more sputtering and all pulls were smooth as butter
I love your channel. I really don't miss back east but I loved that part of the country when I lived around and north of Knoxville. Great part of the country. And gives me an idea what I was running back in those days. Sometimes it felt like more than 300 anyway.
My 90 GT In 1999 I had a 306, stock ported heads, custom cam, edelbrock intake full Length headers etc....332rwhp 355 rwtq..car ran 11.80s @ 115 and 7.50s @ 92. Made for a fun street car
That’s a damn strong car! And you were driving it too!
Those are damn good numbers with stock heads. Back when I did h/c/i on my sbe '93 I made 357rwhp@5700 and 360tq@4700 with home ported Edelbrock rpm heads, rpm1 intake and an e303. Ran 11:80's @ 115-117. I think the dyno I was on was a bit generous but the mph was good so it couldn't have been to far off
@@93_LXcpe thanks. Duane Bush ported the heads.. he had days porting and flow testing. Then we had them milled 110 thousands so compression was 10.8:1.
@@93_LXcpe what injectors did you use if you remember?
@@19jody72 maxed out 24's@50+psi for a while then moved up to 30's
Depends on the combo. An explorer top end with a letter cam might be 280 whp on it's best day (unported of course) but if you got a qualify top end like 11r heads, a custom ground cam and a badass intake you could see much higher on a stock bottom end stock 302 cubes...you could see upwards of 350 whp or even more depending how far you spin it. A light fox with gears feels killer with that kinda power lol.
I had gt40p head e303 cam and bobra intake with some headers and that car was a party... my butt dyo says 270 to 280. Loved every bit of it tho.
I have a 99 explorer 5.0 and its amazing it has the gt40p and no cam yet
@danielbaker4940 94 cobra gt40x head stock cam stock intake (no pulleys except water pump and alternator) with a lightweight flywheel and i make avout 275 to the tire give or take 15. Rn im addint a cam and bumping compression and doing a cai so i can finally say in fullbolt ons with a top end. Hopefully im over 300 wheel at that point. Ran a 12 flat on street tires before so this plus a tire may see a 10 😂
I had that same cold air intake, ditched for a C&L elbow and open element filter. I leaned it out a little with an adjustable fuel regulator and it woke it up a whole lot. This car is sick! Damn, I miss my old fox.
Can u do the same with a carb
3000lb car with 300whp sounds like fun to me.
It a damn fun car, looks bette than mine too!
It is. Mine's in the same range... again, HCI... it's a blast. Not the fastest car out there, but fun as hell. Get's me smiling every time.
Save your pennies and buy a C5 Z06. You get a quiet, smooth idling, reliable car that gets 30 mpg and makes 350whp in a 3100 lb shell. Incredible handling, cold ass AC, looks badass.
@@Carguylogan
Yeah....but only rich old farts drive Vettes....and mostly idling over to Cars & Coffee events.
@@Turbo4Joe363 Z06s? No. Most Z06 owners race their cars.
Love fox bodies! Great job on the look and parts. Use to have a 93..now just have a ton of parts collecting dust.
Damn that’s a clean ass hatchback 🤩
I know man trust me its bullshit! Going trew it my self
Always good to do a once over prior to dyno day to check things like plugs, gap, wires, etc. but with everything going on right now in the world...I can see just getting a plug that would work. Hopefully his tuning gets a little easier with the correct range plug. Can’t wait for the vortech!
TFS 11r 190 heads, Holley Systemax II and Anderson N-41 cam can easily give you 340rwhp.
I agree very easily. I’ve seen a local fox with a sbe 302 with standard 170cc tw heads with a trickflow stage 2 cam, victor efi intake and all supporting parts make 356rwhp through a t5. So a 11r 190 setup should do damn good numbers.
Late 90s did a 5.0 swap on my 87 TBird Turbocoupe. Rebuilt stock engine with stock valve springs but E303 cam. I did a super mild head port and intake match factory Mustang air filter and feed hose with K&N filter and 1.5" shorty headers. Floated the valves making peak HP at a terrible 4600rpm of 249rwhp and made 314rwtq at 3600rpm with NO tuning. This video combo has more left in it and start with fixing the ignition.
Remind me to never let that “driver” on the dyno touch my car
facts
Definitely not
I'm going to say 297 hp,331 tq! I would be happy with it...A real BBK cold air kit is a lot better than that e-bay junk. Our better yet an Anderson Ford power pipe!!
The power pipes are a great option
@@FoxcastMedia I agree it's the best intake setup to get for a fox weather its na or forced induction like a vortec they make power pipes for both setups and they're definately best. If you got a healthy combo on a 302 let alone a 331 or 347 the little bbk and other brand intakes dont flow enough for max power imo. That is where the power pipes come in to play plus they look killer under the hood.
This reminds me why people just slapped a Vortech or some nitrous on "back in the day". Thanks for the video, Caleb!
I quit using parts house plugs and order all my spark plugs from the manufacturer. I think my Windsor would walk the dog on your 5.0 liter but that ac you got though I don't have anything for you! Love the channel when I close my shop I look for new content daily. Woohoo Bristol Fl !!!!!!
Best guess I think for heads, cam and intake only, 100 hp above stock. With a supercharger guessing an additional 50 - 150 hp depending on the air flow and valvetrain. It’ll be good to find out that’s for sure.
My ‘86 with stock bottom end, TW 170 heads, E303 cam, roller rockers, equal length shorties and stock H-pipe with cats did 314/346 on a Mustang dyno.
That was an optimistic mustang dyno. Keep in mind mustang dynos can be manipulated to change the output, dynojets cannot. You can select the smoothing and correction factor but that's it.
Speed density or upgraded to MAF?
@@mikecooley3361 upgraded to MAF.
Equal length long tubes with an off road H pipe will get you another 20/25HP at the wheels
Hey Caleb? Gotta say that is one clean and absolutely beautiful Foxbody? I have got to paint my car! Thanks for all the videos brother....
Mystery cam must go! Ed Curtis can do amazing things with what looks like a small cam.
I've done a 306 with Edelbrock Performer RPM heads and intake, Speed Pro cam and it's made 355 HP and 390 TQ at the wheels, I'm just in the process of putting a 88mm turbo into it, so I'm hoping for an extra 125 HP at 7000 RPM, wish me luck please!! 👍
I love your videos!! I've followed everything that you've done!! Great stuff Man!!
Did you ever run it on the dyno?
To me it doesn't matter that how much power it makes it would great either Way old-school 5.oh mods and that is AWSOME the fox sounds pretty mean
True...BUT.. would want at least 310-320 with a top end kit. Nothing on this planet has that famous mustang sound and nothing sounds better..in my opinion
Yep
Just discovering this video.... will be hitting them up after I get my holley terminator x max installed in my 70 Torino.
I haven't put my fo on a dyno yet so im using this video as a reference. Im running tfs upper and lower intake along with gt40p heads. I haven't thrown a cam in it yet which would definitely get the most of out my current set up. I do have the supporting components for my setup like injectors, cold air intake, throttle body, etc. Im curious to see what kind of power my fox has.
I had a similar issue with my HCI 302 but it turned out to be my distributors TFI module. I ended up replacing it with a MSD distributor and it was a whole different animal.
Stock PCM with calibrated MAF and injectors?
Those wheels are so bad ass!!
That's a clean 🦊!
Love the content brother I have all the supporting mods ready to do heads cam intake and vortech supercharger any tuners/shops you recommend in Northern California?
If you run the cold intake tube in to the hood it puch more air flow into motor
Great video, really gets me thinking about what I'm running. What software/stand alone computer are you using on this fox? Also with those heads were you recommending using a colder plug? I'm running gt40 heads that I milled ..040 off of and I went one step colder plug. How do you tell if you need a colder plug or not?
What are you guys using to tune the car? Love the channel, just bought Ryan wicks old 87 gt, love in Fort McMurray Alberta 🇨🇦, much love keep up the awesome videos!
I have GT40 heads and explorer intake on mine with the stock cam and everything else. I run the distributor 12° advanced
In California if your 5.0 sounds loud like that your going to the state referee 🤦♂️ I’m really starting to hate Cali
Fr lol cali is annoying can’t have a loud car
California is a shit pit
Its a shothole run by democrats.
I feel you i try to sneak around town ln my 93 lx its all stock officer 🚘🔧💪🦊
California Kev The question is why do Cali’s keep voting the same monsters back into office? Get rid of Palosi, Schiff, and the Governor who is a marsupial. The Dems have been slowly destroying that state for 50 years. Get rid of those hacks!!!
I had a 91 notch with edelbrock rpm intake, edelbrock victor junior aluminum heads mac headers and 70mm bbk cai it made 285whp and 321tourque and f 303 cam
Loving the push rod content! Coyotes are great and it’s the new thing but there’s many out here that are working on their sbf’s.
I try to keep an even mix of both
Coyotes are cool but they take away the cool stuff American cars are none to modd i like modding heads cams intake Coyote makes power but its a boring platform 😴 Coyote on boost Coyote on boost thats it no big ass cam no bad ass heads i no they don't need it on boost but not verry exciting
I bet that intake is holdin u back in spots..probably great for it velocity of air but not quanity...edelbrock is a nice piece..as is the tfs....
Nice to see his LX get the 300hp mark!! Surprised to see the hp pick up without the filter
Yeah I always found there was a big difference going from a fender well mounted filter to a simple cone filter.
Size wise, that cone filter is fairly small. He should be running a 7-9" long unit.
That's what she said
Never have liked or used Autolite plugs. Currently running Motorcraft copper plugs in my old 92 F-150 XLT.
I have a 1999 Mercury Mountaineer. I'm going to put a few mods. I'm under no illusion that I'll put run Mustangs or something but I'd definitely try another truck.
I prefer just replacing the stock filter with a K&N until you have to modify the intake tract for boost or BIG N/A power.
Just bought a beautful 85 vert with a v6, been watchin your videos here for quite some time and wondered if we could talk about options/help for an engine swap i'd love to send ya some pictures man. Located outta Sevierville
back a few years ago when I did heads, cams and intake, I was very disappointed at the end... 300 to the wheels... not worth the cost... but you live and you learn!
HCI can be expensive, and yeah the results sometimes can be less than ideal
You need more displacement, boost, or both😅. I bet it still sounded good!
@@bri-manhunter2654 it does... I'm still on that setup lol... a coyote would be preferable over other options 😁
ImChrisDuke. Awesome, the Coyotes are becoming cheaper with more swap kits. I think 5.4DOHC swap would be cool to, everything bolts up.
@@bri-manhunter2654 in due time :)
Just watching this video and I was wondering how long it was going to take for them to check the plugs! My 2018 Raptor with a 93 octane tune would eat plugs every 10k miles, which sucked, but I got proficient at changing them.
It would run fine one day then act like crap the next and I knew it was plug time.
What filter should we be running on our cold air intakes in the fender?
You have to switch it over to mass air in order for it to run right with a bigger cam
Beautiful car!
Just my .02 but I would verify that timing with MS. I changed a cap and rotor and it threw mine WAY off. That caused a lot of popping and missing for me until I got it figured out. It was off by almost 10*!
It looks like the car is a little leaner now, I hoped that helped. On my combo (gt40x heads, e-303 and RPM2) I’m running about 13.5 AFR with good success but haven’t verified at a dyno yet.
I hope you get the n/a setup dialed in before the snail comes in the mail! 😏
That car gotta be my favorite too 4 cars on you tube. I want those rims
I know it was a year ago but do you remember what size throttle body and injectors this car had? I just finished my first build from the ground up. Curious what I will make lol. TF 170s, TFS 1 cam, gt40 upper and lower, with long tube headers and 65mm TB. So not to far from this it seems. 🤔
What filter would you recommend for this kind of set up?
Not too bad. I'd be okay with that as a base run.
I'm running the same everything if cam is a 303b hell I even still have AC too!! I can be happy with 300ish 🐎
What front air diffuser is he using it looks so good on that car is it a makers garage ???
Dope video.....can’t wait for the s197 coyote swap
It’s coming bud
I need to change a filter
Great video. Showed where not to take your Stang. Tune was overwhelming those dudes.
That's what a head and cam 5.0 does what did you expect it's not in LS
@@alexchavez9083 your reply made no sense. I love an LS but you cannot compare the two..
So your comment does not apply
@@stewartwilliams5652 lol haha I'm saying that a head and cam 302 sbf makes around 300 whp thar right on the money thats all I've owned about 15 foxbodys so I'm familiar with the
@@alexchavez9083 yes sir, I see what your saying. However, I've owned my fair share of them as well... And I feel that is a bit low.
@@alexchavez9083 However, my original comment was more about the fact they couldn't get it to run right at higher rpms. They seemed so confused. Was funny cuz they are "pushrod experts."
I had a trick flow twisted wedge top end kit put on my 88 mustang GT along with new rings and made 300 hp 320 torque
Is the thick flow just the intake?
Can get more around 360 if you have the cam degreed I believe depending on the top end kit you choose. Im probably wrong thou
Maybe with long tubes, AFR 185s, and a good Anderson cam... and an Edlebrock Victor efi.
What are the wheels on the fox body being dynoed? They look incredible!
Mi mustang have a .30 piston, y303 heads, ecam typhoon intake and make 305 whp and 340 wtq
These EEC-IV TFI systems will burn the cap and rotor pretty quickly. It's always the first thing to check.
What's this cars setup? I have a 90LX that I need to get back road worthy, and I like how this car is set up. I am thinking of a trick flow top end kit on a rebuilt block. Not sure what to put in the bottom end though. I like the suspension and wheel stance a lot too.
So what is the best cold air intake to run?
Assuming you are running long tube headers with that combination should make 100 rear wheel hp
Get the supercharger yet? I’m goin with afr heads, mega squirt, f cam. Running a vortech v3. Trickflow upper and lower with 75mm tb. Unknown # boost. Wondering what hp I could be looking at to the wheels. I’m hoping for close to 500
Holy hell he's just holding wide open 6k for 3 minutes i would of been like yo bud let off
Probably the only Dyno session I've seen where the Operator stays in it while it's OBVIOUSLY popping. I know the dude is just getting started in tuning and it's *HIS* car, but jeeze...
If you know its pops stop fix it
Then proceed
What size wheels and tires is that and do I need to upgrade my suspension for that?
My 95 5.o is right at 360 with
e cam ,aluminum heads ported,
gt 40 polished tubular lower and top intake, roller rockers,
29 lbs injectors megasquirt plug and play
Bet it flies
@@BunnyBUNGALO feels go for a 5.0 no complaints
I wish my 1989 LTD Crown Victoria sound like that. Too bad it's 5.0L is detuned in comparison to the Fox Mustang's H.O version, having only half the horsepower. I might have to swap the motor or make serious upgrades.
All four of my foxes have been Notchbacks, but that Hatchback sure looks good. Love the 3 inch tips. I keep watching these videos I'm gonna need to find me a 5th Foxbody, too bad prices have more than doubled in the last several years
Off topic q . Info on those rims please ?
That exhaust sound is my favorite!. It's just better than the newer ones in my opinion. I will get an LX Hatch Fox one day, it's a true dream of mine!.
Better get one soon because you can't get a decent one for less than 5 grand now and it's just going up.
@@rhull3939 I hear you on that!.. Problem with where I am is that crap they use on the roads during winter, it just eats cars alive and most of the ones I found are beat to hell or so rotted out that it would take a fortune to make it whole again. Plus the prices around here with all that considered is insane. Found one for $6k and it legitimately needs a ground up restoration just to be road worthy. So it sucks for me but I'm definitely going to start looking out of state and in a dryer climate because if it's worth it I don't mind paying an extra grand and a half for shipping honestly.. Like I said it's a real dream of mine and I want to look in my garage and see one parked in there lol. I'm not looking for a beast just one that's nice and I can really enjoy without worrying about it falling apart. Something with 400hp and 450-500ftlb of torque is really all I want in the end.. Anyways I hope that all is well with you yours good sir and please wish me some luck on finding a diamond in this rough lol. 🍻
Find one! I have a 93 reef blue LX hatchback, I wanted a coupe or GT but I love the car, I'm really glad I bought it
Definitely. I live in PA. I feel your pain.
@@scottsummers8167 Congrats on getting one and good luck making it truly yours!.. And reef blue sounds great. Personally I like some of the darker blue's or even a flat white with a minor polish to it.. Foxbodody's look incredible in those two colors in my opinion, I actually saw one in a matte military green and it just worked great for it seriously. Anyways congrats again and enjoy it for all it's worth. 🍻
What is the correct gap for those 3924 spark plugs in a bone stock 89 5.0?
What chip did or computer was he running in this video? Thanks!
That first pass sounded really lazy. You could also hear it breaking up at one point. Does it have the factory trick flow valve springs? If id definitely change them to something a little bigger
13:20 why don’t you try the stock air filter in the stock box.
Filters a tad small, but it's most likely just dirty. The downfall, is having to clean them often
What you using to tune Caleb? Chip tune or stock ecu?
Wondering what the coast of dyno and tune would run ya??
That's freaking chuck lol
What engine management do you have
What kind of heads are you running?
how was he changing air/fuel w laptop? car is obd-1 right? was he reflashing a chip? please explain
Maybe I'm wrong but that looks like the SVE cold air intake kit from LMR
Being a pre OBD2 car, how is the tuning being done?
you guys think a 14" drop base filter hurts HP?. I'm using it due to hood clearance!
What are you using to tune.. ?
It was poppin! Lol
I've been doing the fox body thing for 14 years now and am ALWAYS telling people to ditch them stubby air filters just not enough volume to get the air in there
so what do you suggest instead of those filters?
So was the Popping and “Breaking up” was a Plug and Timing issue? My Sn95 5.0 does the same crap at like 3000-3400rpm
I expected at least 330hp at minimum. I would say my heads cam and intake setup would probably hit 380-390 and that’s N/A. Trick Flow 11r 190 heads, trick flow stage 4 camshaft 595/595 lift, pro comp high rise intake, 5.0 SBF, all ran by a Holley Sniper EFI system.
I have a Mini cooper with 324whp. The only difference between my claim and yours is I have a dyno sheet to back it up. I'm being a bit of a smart ass because I'm in the mood, but I do have a dyno sheet to back it up. ;)
@@michaelbradley7529 pfft. sorry to say but a pushrod 2 valve V8 making 324 whp is faster than a 4 banger . better power band due to velocity of air making torque better low range . what is the deal with you compact guys always barking up the wrong tree and trying to brag. like modern Type R's are JUST Now getting as quick as LT1 / LS1 F bodies from the damn 90s. just... stop.
@@tonypepperoni229 Are you sure you read my entire comment? You are claiming things I never argued against. It's like you are projecting arguments other people may have made to you in the past. I'm well aware of V8 hp and torque as I used to own and drag race V8 mustangs in my youth. I mention the Mini because that's what I have been racing for the last 15 years with SCCA. I can tell you from experience racing both that the Mini I race now is about 2 seconds faster in the 1/4 mile than my Mustangs were back in the mid and late 80's. Even though my V8's from the past had more torque than my current 1.6L it's also about a thousand pounds lighter. My main argument was actually addressing commenters that make armchair butt dyno claims.
@@michaelbradley7529 i gotcha. no i meant lb for lb anyway like two 2500 lb cars one with a 4 pot one with an 8 well you get it obv lol i dont not like Minis id take one esp at that power
@@michaelbradley7529you deserve to be called a goof for that troll SILLYGOOSE😊
If anyone in the houston area is watching I plan on buying a fox that’s completely stock but before I plan on doing any mods I need to know who is the go to tuner in houston?
Car was breaking up way too bad for that many pulls!
It got me 150 hp and 80-90ish torque over stock.
But that's with AFR 165s, Systemax, and a degreed TFS 1 cam on 1.7s.
Stock numbers were 190ish on power and 270ish on torque iirc. It's been a while.
Nice setup. That is a real hci setup. I bet a custom cam woulda been even better although the TFS isnt bad
My numbers were 340 rwhp and 365 torque using the same shorty headers that I first used on the stock motor.
I used an Anderson fender well cold air with the largest filter that would fit.
30lb injectors and an A9L custom live tuned by Tony Gonyon at Tuners Inc.
How's the butt Dyno? I just started a car page for my 2020 GT500. I also have a 1983 4yeye T Top 5.0
The first thing I do before going to the dyno no matter what is, change oil and plugs.
300/325
how you fit them wheels?