How much power? Supercharger, heads, intake, cam; fox body Mustang!
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- We hit the dyno with Jason's heads/cam/intake and finally the Vortech supercharger!
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Vortech @ 11 pounds, sve aluminum heads, stock cam, cobra intake, 38 pound injectors. Put me right at 430 rwhp. Still have ac..... gotta love the old simple combos
Would you consider it comfortable to drive and reliable?
@@lovelife-mq3ch My 91 Fox made 515 at the tire on 93 pumpgas, no meth, through an AOD on 14 psi with a Vortech V3-Si.
It drives like stock and it has a Freddy Brown AOD with a 10" PTC converter. The converter drives like the factory converter but will flash to 4200 from a stop.
This is with the stock 78k mile 302 shortblock, Edelbrock Performer heads, TFS Stg 1 camshaft, GT40 intake, 60# Siemens Deka injectors and Holley Terminator X engine management.
As far as comforts nothing has been removed, ice cold AC, dual DIN head unit with Apple Play, 400w amp, single 10" sub in the hatch.
Car has been 10.40 @ 130 mph and I drive it as much as possible to and from work and on weekends.
Fun street car for sure
30 over 302. AFR heads & Voodoo cam.
480hp NA. 10:5.1 CR
@@buckexp9243 engine dyno'd at 480hp? flywheel hp?
@@kevin_nagle
Comment removed. Yes 480hp.
Apologies
Failed to mention the exact combo guys:
Stock bottom end 302
TFS 170 heads
Cobra Intake
Ford Racing cam (probably E303)
Vortech V3 making 10psi
V3 😷
What size injector. I have a similar set up
Very 90’s combo, I like it 👍
Sweet ride I’m getting ready to install the Mach 1 chin spoile on my lx also. 🤙🏻. I’d be curious to see what he runs in the 1/4. Did he have 3.73’s. I like the supercharger but watching neomustang when he drove his dads stang with nos you could see he was like holy shit’ I’m waiting to hear back which is faster I’m guessing nos would be but we’ll see.
That intake (and cam) mostly intake is killing his potential gains!
I have a very basic setup as well made 607wheel only thing not off the shelf is my custom cam
Awesome video the trials and tribulations of chasing horsepower. Just goes to show the amount of work that goes into optimizing your setup
Couldn't agree more, cars never cooperate lol
Not sure what heads but we made 640whp. That was in 1997 with a S-trim w/2.75 pulley, out the box but the original street heat heads(which I still own), off the shelf lunati cam .515/515 w/1.6 rockers, cobra lower, box upper, 70mm TB, 80lb Deka injectors, bone stock bottom end with extra ring gap. Ok, ok I left out the most important thing that made the difference. Even though there's much better now. Gen 6 DFI was the shit at the time and the reason the car made the power it. That and I was very good friends with a man named Nitrous Pete. I crewed for him when he ran in the NMCA. Anyone that is an old school fox guy should know that name. I learned a ton from that man and he's the reason I stopped racing Chevy for awhile and went Ford but I'll run either. It's not the manufacturer but the people behind the build.
Anyway good luck with the car. Never messed with anything that worked with the stock ECU. That then all the chips and shit were junk and a waste but there's a ton of potential if you can get past the limitations of the factory ECU. After gen 6 DFI I went to F.a.s.t, Big Stuff and Fueltech. So I don't know much about the stuff that works with the stock ECU. Again good luck with it
Nitrous Pete Misinsky.... that name brings back the 90’s more than the build in this video 👍 must have been an exciting time crewing back then... everything was learning new technology
@@bigretardhalo yeah every time I see something like this it brings back so many amazing times. I also find it hilarious that many guys in their 20s think everyone that raced back then only used carbs or don't understand the new technology. Many of us got to see it progress through the years. We're the reason they have the technology they have today. We were fucking with traction control like 20 years ago with MSD. It's not new. Although many of the stuff is so much more user friendly. No question there. When I first learn how to tune from Pete is was through the Gen6 DFI which worked in DOS. It wasn't even a windows program lol..
Yeah Pete was one of the original Pro 5.0 guys. I've been very lucky to travel and learn from him. Then when he had to stop racing back in the late 90s for awhile because of a brain aneurysm. I got to learn from another great guy. Which is Anthony Disomma. I helped build his 04 cobra and actually owned his old championship NMCA super modified nitrous car. Although I had a turbo in it. Believe me, I know I've been very fortunate to be around and learn from some of the best that every did it. I could keep name dropping but I won't lol.. Take care bro.
@@waynebollentin989 - I agree with you on the 20 year olds... many of them have no idea how close factory muscle cars were to dead before the Fox body vs Camaro/Firebird and Grand Nationals started a new drag strip pony car/muscle car run what you brung tradition... it’s funny how many companies today got their start making EFI hop up parts in the late 80’s early 90’s. Thanks for sharing
@@bigretardhalo yeah if you go back to those races in the 90s you will find my name in some of the mm and ff mags for winning some of those races at Etown NJ. It was mostly bracket racing back then except for the pro classes but it was such a fun time to be part of.
I got 432whp with TFS Top End Kit, V3 at 9# and 60# injectors so I'm going to guess this combo should at least put down 400whp. Good luck...great video as usual!
Ahhhh! I had a 1989 also black LX that I let go back in 2008. Also supercharged and I got nostalgic, found my VHS and posted up my dyno too. Sigh you make me miss my car again! Thx for post!
Hope that dyno session was free of charge?
We’ve made 437 to tire on a mustang dyno with a hci and v1 through an aod on a Mustang dyno , f cam , afr 185s , rpm2 intake , s trim , Holley hp , 60lbs injectors on 93 pump
Did u do anything to the aod?
With the right injectors should be around 425-435 hp range at 10psi if he's still running 19's Im surprised it didn't lean out before 4500 rpm. I had to run 24's in my 92 vortech GT to get it to run correctly
Id prob go with 30s even 24s are on the small side. 03 cobras come with 39s and only make about 360-380 whp stock so you need to be up closer to that imo if not higher. A blown car running 10 psi with upgraded heads cam and intake should have like 42s imo.
I was running 24# just got 60# in today for e85 😎I’ll get it there soon !!
i would add a /msd /42 injectors / timing 21/ auto light 24s thats what i use to run. this is a great starting point. good luck
430-450 rwhp on a HCI 302 on 8-10lbs is about right.
Agreed, should be right in that range
You should be on the brink of 500 wheel. This is a 30 year old proven combo, H/C/I blower on a stock bottom end, 500 whp / 500tq is about all your going to get out of a stock bottom end before it comes un done. with a stock fuel system with a pump (255lph all you need) heads like those trickflow, trickflow stage one cam, cobra intake (ported lower), 60# injectors and 80mm MAF, i made just over 500 wheel @ 11lbs and shut it down....thats the most youll get out of that motor and that setup....you should be running much bigger injectors and matching MAF and youll squeeze 500 out of it safely...idk why your leaving 100 wheel on the table..
400 wheel is what you make with a explorer setup GT40 heads , basic cam and intake and a vortech @ 10lbs, thats 400 wheel, aluminum heads, a good cam, and a fuel pump and your 500 wheel. This has been done for 30 years, nothing special or amazingly unique we are talking about here.... this has been done literally thousands of times since the 90's
What size injectors he running
Not to bad, 390 h.p.with belt slipping, not enough fuel to injectors, with some tuning and couple of queeks, he should hit 450 h.p. no problem, very good from a push rod stock bottom
end 302. Hopefully they can get the dyno figured out!!
Love Jason's notch! 🤩 I'm sure y'all get it figured out next trip and we'll see some numbers in the 400.
More fuel sir!
Gotta list those supporting mods.
Without knowing those I'm guessing 445hp
TFS heads, Ford Racing E cam, and Cobra intake
I said under 400hp. That motor didn't even have 200hp when it was brand new. Parts listed didn't equal 200 plus horsepower
Love ur humbleness, honesty, and pride! Watch u guys all the time!!!! Great vids 87 lx here!
A mustang dyno calculates in drivetrain loss and gives you a crank horsepower estimate? Do you have to enter in the vehicle specs or something?
I really like the videos with this car and your red car in it. Keep them coming 👍
That sucks you couldn’t get it done. Hopefully better luck next time 👍
We will be back!
Great video! I have a all stock 1987 5.0 GT hatchback that I have had a long time, love it. Torn between leaving it stock, or making some changes. They are a lot of fun to drive, even stock, not a race car though. Those little engines do make some pretty good torque for their size! On the other side of the picture, I have gotten 25 miles per gallon of gas, not bad! Enjoyed your show for sure!😊
You call a 5.0L a little engine?
@@LITTLE1994 Compared to my built HP Chevy 1967 big block 427ci it is ! No offense please !
I have a new oem tank with a upgraded hat and a 450lph fuel pump that would make what that motor should..as long as you add some injectors.
Maybe it's just the video but it sounds real weak for those mods. Mine is similar and sounds violent at 10psi.
Bummer on the dyno day...but at least the fuel issue was uncovered. Super clean car!!
425ish depending on tune
I made 405 with the v3 sci. Mustang dyno. Those v3 are good blowers.
Man that car is clean! I think it should be 400 all day. My guess was 410. Hopefully the dyno was accurate. Can't wait to see it all worked out.
Hope to get back soon with more injector
Its needs a blower cam my combo is over 500 wheel makes a big difference.
That motor should make on 10lbs about 410ish hp and 430tq..
Agreed
390 crank HP is awful, but it sounded about right watching the dyno pull, something is definitely off. my sn95 with a little more boost and different cam made 530rwhp.
Stock motor?
If im not mistaken mustang dynos read lower dont they? Because with trick flow heads, cam, and manifold with an a trim supercharger my car made 489 to the wheels
Depending upon actually specific cam and head and supercharger.
I Love Watching All You Guys with similar but slightly different set ups do this test it gives the rest of us on a tighter budget the opportunity to see and hear about what it's gonna be like when we down those last few dollars for this shit🦊🐎💪😎👍🙏🍀🥦
Can you talk about spark plugs what brand and gap to run when going to boost from na for us new guys first boost build cant find that info for a sbf
Needs an inter cooler
Maybe down the road
Or meth
Bro what exhaust do you have? Those tips look awesome
I think your dyno is either low on lighter fluid or needs a new flint...........
Haha when the first guy said 370-380. I immediately thought to myself 420 as the other guy said it
I wish they made fox body kits. Like they do for the replica cobra
Looks good. Just maybe but 60lb injectors may be good to swap in so you don't run out of fuel? You could probably hit 450 or little more
Needs a Griptec pulley.
I'm wondering why the belt wasn't adjusted with all the time you guys had?
The belt was plenty tight, slip is part of life with belt driven superchargers
@@FoxcastMedia - I disagree, watch the early part of the video you can see the slop in the belt. I've had plenty of this type of SC in the old 5.0 and on the 4.6 3V, never had an issue with belt slip.
@@KlipschHead281 Then you are the only one LOL! There is a reason they sell Max Grip pulleys, additional tensionors, gator back belts, etc.
Can this combo of mods make the car run good as a daily?
Great video that shows the hard work that people put into they’re cars, and THAT FOX BODY IS GORGEOUS!! I’m not saying anything bad or negative at all about The Horsepower Factory, but I’m just wondering, that if they’re the Go To guys in that area and they’re Dynotuning High Horsepower cars and trucks, Wouldn’t something like a DynoJet dyno work a lot better?? PLEASE BELIEVE ME, I AM NOT trying to say or imply anything bad, but I’m just wondering that’s all. I don’t know if they’re too expensive, or if they don’t use the dyno that much or what. I’m just asking, that’s all. ✌️🇺🇸
We'll see if we can get something workin 6 passes 4 ads later
I don’t know if it’s been mentioned. If it’s an Aeromotive 340, if you don’t upgrade the wiring to it it won’t put out it’s full potential. Been there done that. Needs 10ga wire iirc.
forget the wiring, the lines and the fuel rails are not going to run a 340.....i make low 500's on a stock fuel rail stock lines basically stock fuel system except a 255 pump, thats all you need....I have seen people split stock bottom end motors running stock fuel rails and lines with just a 255 pump, no need for anything more then that on a stock bottom end.....simple
Either way, you should have correct the wiring. I just now what Aeromotive told me back when I was only making 500 wheel. I make a lot more than that now but I run twin 450’s and E85. Still stock block. But I use a turbo.
Ditch the blower, do a turbo. More power everywhere especially TQ. My combo is super mild, GT40 3bar heads, explorer intake, stock cam and bottom end = 490whp/575wtq on 10lbs. 👍
What heads and cam? Also what injectiors dose he have in it now?
That's not very good for a setup like that. I had a 306, TFS stage 1 cam, Edelbrock performer RPM heads with 1.7, and a Trick Flow street heat intake, with a Procharger P600B intercooled, and 42 lbs injectors. Made 436/487 rear wheel. And that was with an automatic transmission with 18%ish drivetrain loss. And that was back in 2004 when we built that one.
Your very informative an the foxbodys... Great job!!!
Did you ever re visit this car ? Was wondering what happened
What size are the back rims and tires
18/10 285-30-18
I gotta get a set of those wheels for my LX
Sweet ride. I'm going to look at a 87 t-top gt today. Any advice on things to know?
Wondering what hp it would be, on this hci set up,naturally aspirated?
It did 310 with the wrong plugs, so around 320
300hp 330tq
What plugs should you be running?
Wow that dyno is camera shy
They had a big power truck on it the day before, may have knocked something out of whack
What did it end up making ? Badass
430 on a good tune
Damn, I like that exhaust! What's the setup?
That car is so heat soaked its not funny
This might be a stupid question but can someone tell me what wheels those are and where a good place to find them are?
They are SVE series 3 wheels. LMR.COM look under the 94-2004 tab
What are you using for engine management
I’ve just bought a 1983 mustang gt convertible
How can I make it have just as much power as a new up to date mustang
Someone tell me what’s good to buy
That vortech looks like it would be a good fit on my 331 stroker on my ford falcon. Did you purchase that as a kit or piece it together?
And with a 2.95 blower pulley, 10 rib.
I had a 347 with an old S trim, Victor Jr heads. The dyno said 556 whp 576 tq.
But that was in 1998.
And this why you rip out that tiny ass block.. no replacement for displacement
Damn I was close. I called 320
dang no intercooler. you should at the very least ad a water meth kit.
neomstangs already
What was the wheel hp and tq?
Embarrassing
@@aaronliddell4280 what do you expect when they didn't tighten the blower belt 🤦🏻♂️
should crank down on it with a breaker bar/jack handle before each pull.
I bet that belt was smoked after that 🤦🏻♂️
Also surprised they didn't crank up the fuel pressure to compensate for the small injectors, they had enough pump to at least try it but it seems like they didn't really give two shits that day.
Well turn that shit up 🤣😅😂😂
Once again same setup min the supercharger... I think I'm going turbocharged on my baby and you know I'm going 420 smoke one hehehe like I haven't seen the video 3 times already lol and that's a lot of pulls I would think the 🐎 power numbers would be somewhat low seeing a hot engine smh
Your drive belt is slipping
It's gonna be over 400hp, just because it's not getting fuel and it got to 390hp
I bet its under 400hp to the wheels.
60 pounders
390 Save yourselves some time.
That's what he gets for putting a truck on a Mustang dyno. lol
tighten that belt every pull i can hear it squealing thats losing hp
Why make such a long video, that is pointless👎🏼
was thinking the same thing, pointless upload all together -- no real results, didn't touch the car, didn't address the belt slip or attempt to turn up the fuel pressure to compensate for the maxed out injectors 🤷🏻♂️
Title should of been " Tried to dyno foxbody but had issues with dyno" not some click bait shit
Not very good at all. Needs a real tuner or some?
That car seems way down on horsepower
Sounds like a mud truck.
Honestly, Who runs a Vortech anyway? Non Intercooled, old tech. Go Procharger all day...
Only 60+% of street and street/strip cars. Welcome to reality buddy, LOL!
@@daimianbingham4562 Hardly.....
The Horspeower Factory
Turning slow Crowd-Plowers into faster ones.
You got the wrong generation. Looks like you don't know much about Fox's 🥴
Seems like slow
Terrible...
man stop taking your car here. these guys have no idea what they are doing.
This was a wasted video why bother put on here lol 😂