Tile Over Tile. VERY BAD IDEA? 👎 Lowes Eco Prim Grip. WINNI DIY
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- Should you ever tile over tile? Most pros will tell you absolutely NO! I do not agree with that. I do think that it is 100% ok for you to do this under the right circumstances.
First thing you need to do is to make sure that your floor or shower system is sound and has no leaks! Next you will need to use Mapei eco prim grip from lowes. That is the best primer that you can get that is out there right now.
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Eco Grip is fantastic stuff. 35 yr + tile installer here. Tiling over tile can work if substrate is concrete & age of existing tile shows no movement or loose tile👍
I've done a few tile over tile jobs.25 year tile guy here AND when My own bathroom tile was outdated I went over my OWN tile in My Own bathroom because If the original tile is Installed correctly Then it's structurally safe to go over correctly. Backsplashes especially.
Hi John I have a question I live in Mexico and there aren’t many products here like to prime the walls? My question is can I just scratch the tile with like a grinder or something? Or what do you recommend. It’s for a bathroom I’ve done it for floor tiles I just take out the hollow ones but this is a bathroom and yeah I’m unsure what to do
@@49Chente916 absolutely,
Scarify it. Wt a grinder.👍
Also muriatic acid takes the shine off of tiles as well allowing for thinset to stick awesome too. Grind it. And use a decent thinset. And it'll be fine
Hi John, looking to do tile over tile in a steam shower with tile on the ceiling. Would you do that? Tile is solid. Shower been in for 25 years.
@@derekszigeti8413 if old tile is showing no signs of issues and structurally sound,u can prime it and use a really good thinset like laticrete 254.($55 a bag)not cheap crap. U can even acid wash the old tile if it has a shiny texture(80%water 20% muriatic acid) it will make the bond Perfect..Acid wash,then prime ,then set..let the next guy worry. Homeowners don't want to pay.and if it's strictly for cosmetics and changing outdated looks Its the best way to go..25 years is long time. MAy want to assure no moisture behind any of it wt one of those moisture infrared detectors.if they r willing to pay Obviously its best to re do 100%.I not they WILL just find someone to do it the way they want regardless.
I used all the time great product works 💯 💶 💯
Thank you for still making a video for us who kinda "need" to tile over tile.
Yes, after trying to remove a few tiles nearly broke my wrist they were that stubborn. Found out about the prim grip and worked great, very happy as wife was smiling as well😅
I did the same thing with some floating LVT over ceramic tile. Primed it with Prim grip, patched all the grout lines, sloped into the other rooms. Much easier than chipping up all the ceramic tile that was installed before the cabinets. My clients were very happy!
What do you mean by sloped into other rooms? Is that because of the height difference??
I am wondering the same thing about the slope? Especially by the door edge and stuff
I did a counter top with 12x12 Tiles my wife wanted. she hated the tile after it was down along with the 12x12 grid from the Grout lines, so knowing I put the tiles down and they was done right, and that its a counter top that doesn't get walked on, I laid 24 x 48 tiles using Eco Prim Grip along with a heavy tile thin set, and would 100% recommend it. Great video by the way! just the facts and leave it to the individual to decide, and the rest of the haters don't have to worry about it. there are several factors doing a Countertop on top of old tile that it can affect, ( back splash, type of sink, and even plumbing could be affected.)
I have used this product to tile over existing backsplashes. The reason I would not recommend tilting over floor tile is because tile over tile is going to raise the height of your floor considerably, and if your are going to do that you need to make sure you don't create more problems like the floor being to high for the exterior doors to open. you don't want your tile higher than the threshold of your exterior doors. so just be aware of such spots and make sure your floor isn't getting to high in critical places where you could create additional problems.
I was in a store yesterday where they were showing thin tiles designed for this. Guess you need to know how thin a layer of thin set you can get away with.
What about cutting the door?
@@usehername1 You wouldn't want to cut an exterior door because you would create a gap that allows bugs, water, cold air etc. could get in. Cutting interior doors is different.
does chipping the tile cause stress to the house structure?, my bathroom is on 1st floor(top floor)
Thank you I needed this
Man I’m glad I found this video, I was going to sand my existing tile to get a bound that way but this will save me the hassle
This is 100% right, eco prim it's amazing I'm a contractor and project Mgr works every time
I DID IT AND WORKS GREAT 🎉
I have to tile my floor because it has asbestos so very helpful !
Did this in bathroom, the floor was perfectly done so it was easy. I primed tiles and did everything standardly... Still holds
Yay! It will for a long time
How long does this last ?
I tile over tile just for the look. I chose to tile over the builder grade tile in my showers because the walls where straight and in good condition. I used mortar with poly. I’ve had them for three years in both bathroom and both showers are strong and looking good with no problems. I would not do this if is a short term thing since it will be a lot more work to remove.
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Can you demonstrate how to do this for a shower wall and extend the tile height to the ceiling?
Thanks! I need to tile over tile around my fireplace
You had me just with the tee shirt, nice! 💀🌹
Thanks for your video. straight to the point and very well executed. Few videos like your.
Thank you for the information I was wanting to replace my backsplash and was dreading tearing all the old tile up and prepping it for a new tile I think I can get by by doing this thank you
You may have already completed your project, but here is a useful tutorial using the same product mentioned in this video.
How to Tile Over an Existing Back Splash with Subway Tile:
czcams.com/video/qd0k9GRC_nw/video.html
Whoever laid the tile in my house did not intend that they ever be removed. Demo will be a nightmare. Seriously considering this.
As long that floor is clean and you apply Eco grip and let it dry for a a day it should be ok. Have done this many times and it works perfectly.!!
Same. For the tile in our master bath and the tile around our fireplace. We will destroy the walls in our living room trying to remove the old tile. I think we can grind it down a bit though. It’s that 2000’s tan basic b builder tile. That’s kind of wavy…I hate it. We plan on making the fireplace, the kitchen and the master bath look awesome. Our budget is $10k and we can do most of it ourselves. Will have the counters redone and the tub reglazed professionally, everything else we will do ourselves!
@@WatchTashiif you have a budget of 10k, demo whatever you need to demo and add backer boards, or you'll end up with so much weight on your walls, that your studs will start to bow, or the old bonding mortar will not hold another entire coat of new material plus mortar, and tiles will start to pop out slowly but surely. just invest a day or two doing demo and installing your necessary backer boards, you'll be so glad you did.
So I’m adding a step into a shower that’s already tiled. No failures are in the tile currently.
I don’t know how much that stuff cost, but it can’t be cheaper than a bag of multi purpose thin set. I’ve done plenty of tile over tile showers by skimming the old tile with multi purpose thin set and installing the new tile over it. The maipai seems to apply a little easier though.
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Doing my tile bathroom over floor is solid never had any issues so I’m going to go over it. Wish me kick
Interesting, didn’t know this was possible. For the diy homeowner wanting to spice up a half bath I don’t see a issue. Would I do it? Sure… Would I do it for a customer..no. No need for ugly comments people, we get it.
That was so helpful. Thank you
Would a fireplace surround be appropriate for this method?
I want to do tile over tile in my house in Puerto Rico, but I’m afraid of separating because it’s so humid there that the floor’s actually become slippery certain days 😮
Thank you for this information, the tiler who tile my compound has mess up every where is full of concrete which we couldn't get it clean, so want to tile over tile
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I want to tile over vinyl stick-on tile squares. Everything is in good shape. I just want tile instead of the vinyl. Can I tile directly over the vinyl or would I need something like the Eco Prim Grip? Any info would be appreciated. Thanks!
Except bakers do use box bakers lol there’s some rules that can be broken, tile can be tiled over as long as it’s not cracked or loose
I installed tile in my bathroom, bought it from Lowes when it was on sale and I should have known better. Three years later nine pieces of the tile are all faded out, I did everything I could to make it look better but it just didn't work. Also they don't sell that tile anymore so replacing the nine tiles is out of the question. I'm getting to old to do this stuff now, life really sucks sometimes.
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can i used this technics for vertical tile over tile
With the amount of times tile seems okay but when I start demoing it falls off EASILY due to incorrect installation.. I could never put tiles on top of something that may be done incorrectly
Agreed, DIYers always look for this fast, cheap way of getting things, not thinking about the future problems that come with it, height being added to the floor and the problems that causes, the old mortar will most likely fail overtime by having a new layer of thin set, plus the added weight from the new tiles, completely avoidable only by investing a day or two doing demo, removing the old crap, preparing the area the right way, level wherever needed, and getting the best results possible for a long lasting floor.
Very will explained video with very good advice thanks
Great Job! What kinda mortar do you use Between both tiles?
so just put sand in normal primer?
What about original 60 year old tile in bathroom that hasn't moved yet!!
Seen u on FB and I had to follow you on CZcams . Great content .
How do you deal with the higher drain?
How about MOMENT SUPER FIX GLUE (SILICONE OR WHAT TYPE GLUE, CAULKING GUN) tiles over tiles with 60x120cm tiles?
Thanks for your advice.
I started my bathroom revamp but shower wall one lair of tiles came off easy without much damage to sheet roc but back bathroom over the tub bath it was 9” inch tiles with 6” square tiles on top to crown it I had a major bleed as a corner spilt tile hit my arm blood everywhere lol
A downside would be now your floor is going to be higher at door transition. So if you had a level transition from room to room you won't now.
Tell me about it! Moved into my new home a few months back and loo and bathtoom was tiled over the old tiles. Retiling the hallway was a friggin nightmare! Nailed it nonetheless tho👌
Very good point
I know this is an old post but hopefully someone can help. I’m having tile put over tile in my bathroom floor. The guy who’s doing it says I don’t need that initial primer that he can just put the grout over the tile without that. He started my floor without the stuff that makes it a rough surface and now I see your video and am wondering what are the potential problems I can have if he didn’t use that first layer? My tile isn’t the shiny type tile but it is ceramic and I should add that I do have a very thin hairline crack going. Please tell me this isn’t going to be a super big problem down the road. Is it?
Great video! I have a shower tile floor that has a low corner where water pools. Probably 1/4" drop in a foot, but in the wrong direction. How thick can you lay thinset like this? Enough to be able to correct that slope, or does the whole mudbed have to be redone at that point?
Dude, been loving your videos for a couple weeks and I just saw your Jerry Shirt!. Awww brother, I got on the bus in 93. thanks for the great info. Just bought my first house and rehabbing its. It has 12 x 12 old school tiles and I'm so glad I didn't start ripping them up to get to the slab. I will def try the primer. thank you brother☮❤🎶
Can i tile over tile to correct a slopping floor. The first tiling was a solid job except for the sloppiness of the concrete slap .
Will the paint on membrane work for this? I wana tile over some tile in a fire place and I don’t wana tear the existing tile out, I was thinking about just using 100% silicone. Not sure yet. I have some left over paint on membrane from a shower so it would be awesome to not need to buy anything to stick the new deco tiles on. These will be light, and thin tiles, so I think silicone will work as long as it binds to the surface of the old dull tiles. They are probably 80 years old.
Great tutorial ,thanks
Honest advise, fair play sir
Can I assume this will work on a granite backsplash or should it be removed? My biggest concern for bathroom is if we want go up to the ceiling and it causes different depths but I will definitely be doing this for the fireplace surround.
This stuff works on asbestos tile?
I live in a 1955 home and some moron tiled over the vintage bathroom tiles, is there anyway to salvage what’s underneath?
You're hilarious man. Love the shark would be great to see him in more videos.
If the old tiles not smooth enough still needs to prim before the renovation?
Can I tile over tile on the exterior of my Florida home. It’s an accent area on one area of my exterior walls?
We have tile over tile in our house, it's so bad you have to step up into the bathroom and the door can't open inward.
The church I go to had a terrible tile job. It’s on concrete and I believe the best thing to do is pour self leveling on top. Do you agree
I have a weird deal in my house. Entry way is some weird '80s terrazzo type tile. It is somehow inset into the concrete so it sits at the same level as the concrete under the other tiled areas and the carpet. There is even a carpet "rug" in the dining room where the concrete under it is at the top of that weird tile. That "terrazzo" even goes under the front door to the porch. Demo and leveling it all back out would be a nightmare.
Good advice bro, tks
I'm going to have to rip up 3 layers of tile over linoleum in my kitchen. They tiled over 1 layer of tile and linoleum in the bathroom. I just bought my house.
I like that shark guy
talent as smart
How do I tile over polished concrete
Can we install slab granite backsplash over 25 year old travertine backsplash in our kitchen?
Awesome information!!!
How about 24x48 tile for shower wall? Strong enough?
Did you ever tile over tile on your fireplace? I'm researching doing that right now. I have a 12" hearth and don't look forward to demo on that. Oh the mess!
Is it ok for me to tile around the toilet?
Or do I need to pull up the toilet and reinstall it after I’ve tiled the floor.
I want to retile the floor of a light duty guest bathroom .
Remove the toilet, tile right to the flange and then mount the toilet back up with a new wax ring and seal. Avoid laying tile over tile at all costs, unless you have rental properties that need to be flipped super fast in order to rent them fast, in that case then you can even paint the damn thing, as long as it doesn't come off lol. But if this is for an upscale client or your own home? Please use a jackhammer and whatever other tools you might need and do it right, invest some time breaking the old tile away, prepare your foundation properly with a crack prevention membrane, or add backer boards to the floor, if on a second floor. Adding tile over tile is really something you might want to do for a cheap, fast way to charge a client, that's why these big time contractors advice this way, only for them to pocket as much cash as possible, without having to pay the installer much at all. I'd only lay tile over tile if I was one of those contractors, and had multiple hotels or a bunch of apartments that need to be completed on some unrealistic time frame.
Great work bro
An existing Shower basins in a condo presents difficultly due to pre installed plumbing encased in concrete floors, and units below, will this product work in a great condition shower basin? With an drain extension?
I was wondering if you have much experience without a leveling system? I just started using them myself and they are nice for sure. But for years they weren’t available so I got pretty decent without them😉.
What do you think about MPB as primer? I have a lot of it and I'd like to not buy another product
What about under the doors? Will the doors be able to open?
Most doors, even hollow doors, are designed to cut a little bit off the bottom if necessary
Gotta watch out... don't want to get done and then find out your shower valve is too deep set in the wall to connect your fixture.
I have a 6th floor condo no dumpster.. I prey it works..
Would this work Even over travertine tile?
Can you put a water barrier (red gard) before applying the primer
you can put at least 30mil thick aquadefense over the prim grip for waterproofing, then tile over the aquadefense per mfg'er recommendation. even better if you can do 1/8" of latex modified thinset over primer before liquid membrane.
Is there another similar primer that is usable over vinyl or linoleum floors?
Do I have a time limit after putting the eco prim grip to lie the new tile?
How long does tile over tiles last?
did this once for an outdoor project at my little starter workshop which now becomes a storage store. still holds up good. ermm.. think that was about 7years ago.
I have a situation where my stone herringbone mosaics used in the background of the niche became discolored after thinset was wiped off of it. I cannot get it out of the pores!
I plan to install a single piece of large format tile over top of the existing niche. I’d imagine I’d have to prime this with the product you recommended? Would you ever just go with a construction grade tube of liquid nails (since it is only for one piece of tile?) or do I have to prime then use thinset?
Can this be used on exterior cement wall thats painted? I dont wanna strip the paint
Do I still need put down an under layment like mapeguard if old tile are on a wood subfloor?
great shirt!!!
Has anyone tiled over tile on a fireplace, it has a seat ledge too. The tile that is on it now is in great condition, just ugly! My hubby does not want to demo so i'm trying to figure out a way i can retile it. Thanks!
Would you use ECO PRIM GRIP on a shower ceiling?
Yo.. do I need to etch the tile before primer? Or just mop it clean then prime?
and more weight too..
I am tiling over an existing shower surround but I want to go higher up on the wall. Is it OK to put some thing on the part of the wall that doesn’t have tile to match the depth and then tile over the whole thing? What should I use?
Could either cement board or a layer of thinset work?
So is this okay to do for shower walls? It would be in one of my guest bathrooms that doesn’t get used too often…
Home RenoVision DIY has a video on this. He starts with the ECO Prim Grip and then puts a waterproof membrane over it, and finally installs the tile as usual.
Don’t do it, will be a pain to remove which eventually you will at least for those who plan live in their homes long term
How about tiles over an ugly fireplace?
Would the primer work applying over a epoxy flooring to tile over it since it is very smooth ?
Mapei has good customer service, they’ll answer your question
I would never do this for 1 major reason. PIPES run underground 90% of the time. If your new tile happens to bigger than the old tiles. You have to remove all EXISTING tiles to find the problem. Mega amounts of time lost wasted and ADDITIONAL COSTS!!!. how so. How many tiles will need to be replaced to retain the flat floor, what grade diid they use before, can you still buy them. Not bleeding likely. Worst would be on walls, which i have seen. Imagine trying to get to your pipes then. Sorry tile over tile is not cost effective. UNLESS your selling the piece of turd house, then yes. LET it be someone else's problem.
Asbestos. Ain’t no way I’m removing this old tile
What can happen if you don't prime the old tile? If you just put the thin set and new tile over it?
I think it said the gloss from the old tile will keep new one from sticking properly
thanks for your efforts.
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