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Persona MV: bit.ly/3mQOFDJ
Persona Doolset Lyrics: bit.ly/3eI71lR
Shadow MV: bit.ly/3sXmQ0x
Shadow Doolset Lyrics: bit.ly/32XM2ZO
Ego MV: bit.ly/3ncqakL
Ego Doolset Lyrics: bit.ly/3pLUiVw
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I like that each one talks about being in the spot light and how it effect them. Persona: I just want to give you all the shoulder when u cry. Shadow: don't let me shine I am afraid. Ego: I trust myself.
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Another interesting thing is that I found a tweet saying that RM was looking up to his persona , Suga's shadow looking down on him and j-hope was standing eye to eye with his ego . Idk why but I found this really interesting 😂
Ohhhh that is definitely interesting!!
Yes, I was going to say this too. RM’s persona is bigger then him and so it looks down at him. I think this is especially true in the line they aren’t interested in my clumsiness. People just see him as the leader and are not interested in the order parts of him. Suga’s shadow gets bigger the higher he rises and threatens to consume him. Hobi is on even ground with himself. I feel like Blue Side gives more insight to his true self. 💜💜💜
@@jacquereid9958 so true💜
@@jacquereid9958 where are these ppl that see him as "just their leader"... ive never heard anyone talking about that, not before you put it in youre comment. In short, RM is the main songwriter for BTS. We wouldnt have ANY of these great BTS songs if it wasnt for him. Then ppl still get mad when someone says "RM has propably the biggest role in BTS". LEADER is just an title.
@@jennaeveliina313 I’m not talking about Army we all know Namjoon and how instrumental he is and has been. I’m referring to other people like reporters/personalities who don’t bother to learn even basic information about BTS. 💜
I read somewhere that one way to think of Jung’s map of the soul is to think of a house. Persona is like the outside (curb appeal) and is what people see as they drive by or what you present to the world. Ego is the person inside the house being who they are, maybe happy, sad, neat, or disorganized. Shadow is the stuff you try to hide in the basement that you don’t want people to see but you own it and it’s part of the house too. Fun reaction.
Oh that's really cool!
Great metaphor!
oh wow 😮
This is a great way of explain it. I've wanted to suggest Persona, Shadow & Ego but I wasn't sure how to explain how they're connected. This is perfect.
Wow, perfectly said. 👏
RM in Persona sampled “Intro: Skool Luv Affair" from their Skool Luv Affair album.
SUGA in Shadow sampled “Intro: O!RUL8,2?” from their (you guessed it Andrew) O!RUL82? album.
J-Hope in EGO sampled “Intro: 2 Cool 4 Skool” from their 2 Cool 4 Skool album :)
That's so cool! The first 3 albums! I knew there was something going on 😂
I think it's super cool how they did that. Their first three albums, but sampled in reverse order.
@@AndrewBergSax that's why i have repeatedly commented on the importance of going through BTS discography chronogically, with full album by album listens. You appreciate their music, their art, better. Otherwise you will miss tons of clever stuffs going on. BTS don't do it like anyone else so maybe you don't understand why I keep stressing this 😞.
@@sariel8406 I agree everything is done purposefully. And u can see their growth by going in order.
Also, the Persona MV takes after the style of their Feb 2, 2014 comeback trailer. And the « big house, big car, big ring » is Suga referencing his lyrics from No More Dream. His dream as he says it and repeats it as he runs, I see it like a representation of his journey of the previous 7 years.
This whole album is a reflection back on who they were, where they started from, their past dreams and their journey, as 7 individuals and as a group, up to their 7th year. It’s been aptly named Map of the Soul 7. I’ve seen that even other songs on this album reference back on previous lyrics. It is such an amazing album, a work of art.
Persona = Perso"na"
Na = 나 = ME
Word play! 🔥🔥🔥
Oh that's awesome!
😲 I never knew!!
🤯
I literally just realized that for the first time just now when Caitlin pointed out how he pronounces it, mind blown
Also, in Italian the word, "Perso", means Lost. So, it's like
Perso = Lost
Na = Me
Finding your lost self!
Persona : Find yourself
Shadow : Accept yourself
Ego : Love yourself and let's go further together.
What a perfect trilogy! 💜 Thank u for your deep dive!!!
Great summary!! 💜
All three members are a wonderful Personification of each aspect of the self.
RM's "Persona" is the cool, genius leader, but he's also a goofy, clumsy nerd who loves trees, books and riding his bike. But in the end, he's all of those things. And they all combine to make the Namjoon/RM we all know & love.
Yoongi is the shadow. He wants to be famous & wealthy, but at what price? Everyone wants a piece of him & the higher he climbs, the farther the fall. But he accepts the shadow, because its part of him too.
And dear J-hope is the embodyment of "Ego." In the best sense. He trusts himself. He has decided to go his way, running into a maze without hesitating, knowing he will find his way. I love the flashing when he's dancing,black, white & sparkily fireworks, representing his persona & shadow that come together in his ego!
DAMN BTS ARE AWESOME!!!
As are you guys!
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That's so cool and a great explanation! I love just how well they did at embodying these concepts and showing us obvious and subtle depictions throughout the videos/music. Awesome!
@@AndrewBergSax Thanks.😁
May I suggest you guys check out the "BTS explained by a Korean" by DKDK TV.
The layers are even deeper than you might think when certain lyrics & cultural refrences are explained. There are doible & triple entendres crossing languages that will blow your minds! Especally for "Ddaeng " & "Ugh." And their explination of "Spring day"(The Queen of BTS songs) is heartrending.
Trust me, it's so worth it.
Can't wait for your next video!
I think you'll love "Make it right." It's Jazzy AF.😎
What an amazing explanation! 💜
“This looks like the inside of Jhope’s’ brain” 😂😂😂 Such a true statement.
I like all the rappers. They each have their own unique style but I like Jhope’s music style the best. He makes you wanna dance and smile while you do.
Yes! Jhope definitely had the most "fun" music! Ego is the song out of these 3 that I would sing in the car 😂
@@AndrewBergSax J-Hope's rap always has a little singing in it! 🌞🎶
I find Intro: Persona to be the first purely rap song I absolutely love to bop and sing along to, though, as well.
@@AndrewBergSax I sing this in the car all the time, and it is FUN 😁☺️ The fact that they put him in a car singing this song just adds to the fun. 🚘
Just an aside, 윤기 (yoongi) is "burnish, shine" (and thus also related to Suga's performance name as an underground rapper, Gloss ). "Please don't let me shine" then becomes a very interesting line in a song about being afraid of certain aspects of yourself.
Also just fyi, the Shadow MV isn't the whole song. You have to get the track for that.
Ohhhh that's really interesting! I forgot he went by Gloss before!
Wow, this adds another layer of meaning
I think the main essence of Suga's Shadow is in his 2nd part / verse of the song which is not included in MV.
Bts sampled Bts 😆, also just in case Yoongi in Shadow answers the questions Namjoon ask in Persona. Their work is insanely good
That's awesome!!
Yes,this is why they named album "Map Of The Soul" and "Map Of The Soul:7"
Yeah, BTS samples an older BTS song in persona but that older BTS song also samples an old hip hop song (I forget the name) 😂😂
I’m glad y’all grasped that at the end of Shadow, Suga becomes his shadow and raps from his perspective.
Yes!! I thought that was so cool 😀
SUGA is not only songwriter, but also producer of Shadow
Right
I believe it! He's a great producer
Ok guys so I also interpreted shadow differently too 😂😂. So the intro, the “I wanna be…” mantra. I see that section as pre-debut Yoongi saying his goals and desires for his life. He says he’s got a big dream and then from that point on he discusses why now that he’s achieved his dream, it’s nothing that he expected. It’s lonely and scary, and in that isolated position his shadow now begins to attack him.
From there the Yoongi of today begs us not to let him reach the heights he now possess bc he’s afraid of falling. The bigger he and BTS becomes, the brighter the spotlight on him becomes, and the more the spotlight is on him the more his shadow (the parts of him he wants to hide) grows.
Then he repeats the “I wanna be…” mantra to remind himself of his past ambitions (why he became an idol in the first place), but then the shadow takes over and says that same mantra from a place of greed and chaos. From that point on everything said is from the point of view of the shadow.
Now the shadow is directly talking to Yoongi and tells him that he can’t keep fighting and suppressing his shadow forever. That he’ll have an easier time in life if he can come to accept that he and his shadow are one in the same (which is literally Jung’s theory on Individuation).
*Note:* there’s also another verse to this song that isn’t included in the video. I think that part is also the shadow talking or Yoongi talking to himself.
These three songs together are a piece of art. Each of them exemplifies the concept it talks about while each of them reflects on their life/career up to that point.
Persona and Shadow have a lot of different flows in them, it's insane. And to Caitlin's comment that Ego was more musical: J-Hope is a dancer first, so his song you can dance to.
I completely agree, I love these three together! And I love how well each song fits the individual member
In regards to Ego, it's very typical of Hobi's music that a sunny, bouncy beat comes with serious lyrics. (I think he finds the concept of upsetting people uncomfortable and unpleasant. Yet...it's important for him to vent the feelings that he does/tries to in his music. Which I think is part of the reason they come through without even the intention for that.) So always look for deep-thinking and introspective when you hear a happy beat from Hobi. Those things are usually there.
That's our Hope and Sunshine for the World, JHOOOOOOOPE!🥳🎇👏🕺🎶🎤👑🥇🏆🌎 #Hobi #BTSWorldDomination #MOTS7
Sorry, we need timed comments so it keeps going long here:
Namjoon: My favorite line is "if I could answer with a few words, we wouldn't have all these beauties" (more or less), where "beauties" are words... and knowing his lyricism it makes it so powerful indeed. We, as humans, have a lot of words, let's use them wisely. Also mentioning he just does what he feels right and people put a pearl necklace on him (like "you are valuable, you are this and that" and he isn't so sure abou tit)And concluding that his persona is the one to comfort you (his voice, his shoulder T-T I love him so much).
And yes, Caitlin, I feel you, he looks stunning here. Wait till you see him live singing it :).
Yoongi: My favorite line is "No one told me how lonely is up here" (he mentions this in other songs - PtD, they know how to land now - and in a poem he wrote in an episode of Run BTS and "the moment I'm at my lowest, it happens to be at my highest". He deserves 1000 effin hugs I swear. Plus, him singing is
Hahaha thisnis all so cool interesting and I love hearing different people's opinions on things! Also sometimes I forget I'm supposed to be reacting and suddenly I haven't paused in over a minute 😅
In the distorted part of "Shadow", the shadow part of his personality is the one that is doing the speaking
Yeah, I loved how they did that!!
@@AndrewBergSax Yep, Yoongi loves to take on other "parts" in a dialogue by changing his pitch, his tone or using autotune etc, he does it in First Love very noticeably and also in other songs (right now Louder than Bombs comes to my head) :)
@@loredell That's true! He does it in UGH! too.
@@patrey03 Haha, i thought I mentioned Ugh, but yeah, he loves that a lot (maybe that's why Daechwita came out as it did lol)
나 [na] means "I" in Korean, so the accent on Per-so-NA also has a double meaning...'cause RM! ☺💜
I didn’t know that! Damn he IS a genius!
Ego is my favourite outro ever. So representative of hoseok’s hopeworld and BTS! love the song so much
Ohhh is that typical of what Hopeworld sounds like? That would be really fun!
@@AndrewBergSax ohmygod please do a reaction to one song off each of their mixtapes! Perhaps moonchild from Mono, Daechwita or People from D-2 and Piece of Peace or Hangsang from Hopeworld 🤩🤩
Yes!! I'm probably going to do each of the bigger songs from each album and then do a full album reaction for the rest!
@@AndrewBergSax Daydream from HopeWorld has a fun music video!
@@AndrewBergSax All the mix tapes are so good & soo different!!
j-hope is so good in making deep lyrics but deliver it with catchy melody and he is a master in mixing seriousness with colours in his music.
I think Hobi is so underated, hes one of the main dancers, he teaches the others the choreo as well as adding to it, hes a rapper and a sub vocalist and his voice is really beautiful. (BTW hes not my bias ) so its an unbiased opinion. Hes good looking also!!!!
And also an underrated songwriter. He's not my bias too but some people always credit RM and Suga as the songwriters of the group.
@@misslouie6742 very true
I totally agree with you about Ego. I think Ego is about exactly what the Ego is: the balancing of your personas, your shadow, other parts of the self that BTS doesn’t touch on, to create the one true YOU.
I think the lyrics of ego wonderfully do this by talking about J-hope (persona), the struggles he’s had/his life being full of regret and asking himself why he’s even alive (his shadow) and Jung Hoseok (who he is behind it all). He says the journey was painful (as it often is when one is on a journey to truly understand themselves) but that it was worth it, and that the entire journey was simply mapping out how to get to his soul (the true essence of who he is).
There’s also a bunch of Easter egg elements that hint at persona and shadow throughout the MV (as well as various references to BTS and ARMY) 😂💜
The channel Bookish Theories did a wonderful breakdown of Shadow. She actually did 2 videos-- one specifically for the artwork that Caitlin mentioned.
Oh very cool!!
So satisfying to see you both break out into ear-to-ear smiles at 18:52. The Hobi effect. You're right, Caitlin, it's like a cartoon, but it's also really deep. J-hope's calling card is perceptive, poetic lyrics juxtaposed to all the captivating color and rhythm (check out 2021 Blue Side, for example).
Oh that's so cool! I can't wait to react to Hopeworld
@@AndrewBergSax, Blue Side is the Hope World outro, but last year he released a full version on the three-year anniversary of Hope World.
I love how you guys were wowed by it! The Rapline solos of MOTS7 is just superior! I personally love Shadow the most, but all three represented the 3 states so well and keeping in mind that the boys wrote it themselves, it is honestly a great trio. RM i “Intro: Skool Luv Affair" from their Skool Luv Affair album (their third mini). SUGA in Shadow sampled “Intro: O!RUL8,2?” from their (you guessed it Andrew) O!RUL82? album (their 2nd mini). J-Hope in EGO sampled “Intro: 2 Cool 4 Skool” from their 2 Cool 4 Skool album (their first album ever).
So the boys are genisues as they kind of sampled backwards from their third to second to first album. I don't know how they plan it! You should definitely listen to the original songs (even if offscreen) . Again amazing to see your genuine reaction!
Thank you so much!! I love that they sampled those, and I'll definitely be listening to them soon 😀 it's so cool to include those and someone made a cool point that in Shadow they were sampling their first comeback which is probably when you would feel those types of feelings the most (and similar correlations with the others as well). Really interesting!
Okay, just to quickly get this off my chest before i write a more cohesive comment:
AAAHHH!!! i loved your reaction to these three songs! kudos for tackling all three of them together. and also, special thank you to Caitlin for so succinctly introducing the background concepts, and and discussing the connections to the songs
😀😀😀 thank you!! Yeah, this one and BST I think it was really important to do our homework first 😂 it made the whole experience so much more interesting
@@AndrewBergSax Who knew a "boy band" could compell us to voluntarily do homework? 😄
All of these songs were sampled fr their older songs. The O!RUL8,2? sign in shadow refers to that intro song and album, because the melody was taken from that song. The background to persona was taken from Intro: Skool Luv Affair. Just for examples so you were on point abott it the samples.
At the end of shadow when the time changed completely, the is because the shadow is now talking to Suga. Through the whole song, Suga is basically saying “I want to do all these things, but the shadow is constantly there like a reminder that he exists. So he tells us ‘don’t let me shine, don’t let me fly’ so the shadow can’t affect me” but the shadow at the end says “you can’t get rid of me. I am you and you are me. Nothing will ever change that.”
That's really cool!!! Yeah, I could tell something was going on 😂 I love the "shadow" portion of Shadow in the meaning and visuals and everything. So good!
Shadow is DEEP. Shadow is ART. Shadow is PSYCHOLOGY in a song presented in the most amazing art form.
Caitlin's squee at J-Hope's smile...relatable!!
😂
love the lyrical analysis Caitlin brings and of course Andrew's music theory. I think I can watch Ego a thousand times and still not catch everything that's going on in the background. Like I just noticed all the ARMY signs and symbols this go around.
That's cool! I think I noticed at least one ARMY sign (maybe on the wall that has the word "smile", among other things)
@@AndrewBergSax Yes, his street nickname was "Smile Hoya" because of his tendency to memorably smile while dancing. 🤗
Omg. You did my favorite triptych of BTS songs. They go together and so few reactors do all 3 together but they are each brilliant and showcase the personalities and musical styles of each member. I’m goofy over the three songs and the whole concept of how they each portray a different part of the map of the soul. Educational content and genius together.
goosebumps seeing the lyrics. like min suga and min yoongi are chatting
I really enjoy your reactions. You guys are the perfect combination, Caitlyn for the lyrics and Andrew for the music. Loved the explanation of Jung's theory.
Thank you so much! 😊
- They did a great job in choosing which rapper did which song. They have very different styles and this trilogy fit into those perfectly imo.
- The songs on the MOTS:7 album are placed very strategically to emphasize the concept, for example Dionysus, which you already know the meaning of, is right next to Shadow. It's a brilliant album that deserves so much more recognition than it got.
- Since BTS's album series come in trilogies we're kind of expecting that there's still one more album to come in this one...
Oh interesting!! Once I do individual reactions to the biggest songs, I'll probably do full album reactions to hear the rest 😀 I'm excited to take all the random songs I've heard and start piecing together the albums
I feel like it’s done tho no? Because we had these
School trilogy
- 2 COOL 4 SKOOL
- O!RUL8,2?
- Skool Luv Affair
Youth trilogy
- The Most Beautiful Moment in Life pt.1
- The Most Beautiful Moment in Life pt.2
- The Most Beautiful Moment in Life: Young Forever
Love Yourself trilogy
- Love Yourself: Her
- Lover Yourself: Tear
- Love Yourself: Answer
+ Face Yourself
Map of the Soul Trilogy
- Map of the Soul: Persona
- Map of the Soul: 7
- Map of the Soul: 7 - The Journey
All of these albums were released back to back with each other. Does the Journey not count? Because then if there’s supposed to be another one, it would break the pattern of being released together, since we got BE
Also respect to Wings, Dark&Wild, You Never Walk Alone, Youth, etc. All amazing albums
@@sunshinesam6399
I don't think Journey counts in the MOTS trilogy since it's a japanese album, just like Face Yourself isn't counted in the LY trilogy.
With regards to BE it was released in the middle of the pandemic and is about them and their thoughts during the pandemic. It's such a unique disruption that BE, much like Butter/PTD, isn't connected to their other work but rather to the pandemic.
Following this logic we should be seing another MOTS album from them...is the theory. 😊
@@imajinallthepurple oh ok I just wasn’t sure if it counter. I didn’t really want to count face yourself as part of the LY trilogy but I just added it because it came out around that time. Honestly, I hope there’s another mots album because they are *chef’s kiss*
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IKR?! Amazing songs plus they're so well organized. But as always with BTS we can only speculate... 😄
In the meantime we have the new webtoon coming right up and the story sounds incredible... 🤯🤩
They are each sampling the intros of their first three albums (they are basically sampling themselves)
I really like Ego! It really does seem like the inside of J-hopes mind! That old fashioned voice always reminds me of the one used in the pacer test if you know what that is.
from this song we can know that bts has been able to make peace with and accept their destiny no longer stuck with persona, and shadow. they have found answers about who they are. now they are themselves and live life and be happy in their own way (EGO)
It just clicked in my head that joon pronounces persona as PersoNA, is because Na sounds like "me" in korean 😳
Ohhhhh that's so cool!!
Wow, these songs hit differently after I learned about their struggles in the couple of years prior to this album.
In 2017 they received their first BBMA and later that year they made their US television debut at the AMAs. They struggled with that exponential rise in fame and pressure and spotlight, so much so that they considered disbanding. They had to re-discover the reasons why they were doing this and this took some months, from late 2017 to early 2018. (I've been following the docu-series "The Rise of Bangtan" and the latest episode (Ch. 19) covers this period of time.)
I'm glad that "Map of the Soul: 7", and "Ego" particularly, shows that they've made peace with the situation that fate has brought them to. Also, in a recent interview with GQ Australia, Suga said that 2018 was a turning point in his life, where he began to gain happiness. And in their livestream after the 2021 AMAs, Suga said he cried before the 2017 AMAs because he was so scared of the pressure this rising fame would bring, but in the 2021 AMAs, he was able to enjoy it.
I actually interpreted Persona differently. To me RM is grappling with who he is. At the very beginning of the song he asks who is he, and from then on he talks about all aspects of being RM of BTS.
He talks abt his fears, his shadow, the benefits of being RM, and so on. As a result I see this song as someone who is now identifying solely with their persona (in this case his persona is RM as opposed to identifying as Kim Namjoon). He comments abt his shadow but considering that the shadow is actually the parts of ourselves that we don’t let others see, he does exactly that and tucks it away behind the persona of RM.
So no, I don’t think he ever identifies with his shadow in that song bc he says he labeled it “hesitation” and since then he’s never hesitated again (as in he’s never let it come to the forefront of himself ever again). Quite literally they don’t talk to the shadow until Yoongi does in “shadow” (imo) 😂😂
Also I don’t think that giant RM was his shadow but was actually his RM persona: a larger than life idol
That RM though looked so innocent. It is kinda hard to see his shadow. His persona is so large
I had the same interpretation 🤗
I agree with you!!
Another comment bc the last one is already too long lol. I'M SO OBSESSED WITH PERSONA, SHADOW, and EGO. I'm sure all three of them can slay all three subjects, but it just made sense like that. Joon with persona, yoon with shadow, and hobi with ego. It matches their personality, view of life, and just- IT'S THEM.
Oh! i just remembered something! When you watched the ON Documentary, you got a tiny teasier of the solo singer that added the additional vocals at the very end of Ego, she is a member of that choir they had there.
She sings "Maaap of the Soul!" towards the end. 👂 The choir is used here too on a less distinguishable layer in the mix.
Oh that's really cool!!! Also how do you two always find each other's comments to reply to?! 😂
@@AndrewBergSax Sisterhood of the Traveling Bangtan
@@AngelaSealana indeed, we have our ways 😁
What an absolutely brilliant idea to do these three MVs together. Thank you for another great video! Keep going, you nice 😉
Thank you so much!
I love the way you two feed off of each other. Your comments are very insightful. Thank you.
Thank you so much 😊
So an interesting point I haven’t seen anyone else bring up: the lyrics at the beginning of Ego where Jhope asks “Why did it call to me” I’ve also seen translated as (and I believe the official mv uses this translation) “why did /they/ call me”. It’s a reference to the time pre-debut when Jhope actually quit bts. The other members all believed they couldn’t debut and be successful without him, and they called him back. A lot of the song talks about what might have been if he was just Jung Hoseok and not Jhope of BTS, and about the choices/fate that brought him to this reality
Ego lyrically and as a concept changed my life. I have a giant painting homage to it on my office wall and I got a tattoo of it on my arm too. This whole concept of acknowledging and embracing your role as the leader of your own life and recognizing that that means coming to terms with the path you've tread while also trusting yourself to forge ahead with all that you've learned toward things better and brighter--yeah, it really pulled me out of my post-law school depression. And the imagery did such a great job reinforcing that message--the self-deification especially resonated with me (fun fact--self-deification--or the claim to be one's own god--is also called "egotheism"). Add to that the celebratory Carnival feeling of the production with the brass and the catchiest outro in music history, it was truly just a whole masterpiece. And another cool thing about it is that it is SO j-hope. Imagine someone trying to cover Ego and doing it any justice. Unfathomable.
it's crazy how with BTS's songs you just keep noticing things for YEARS. for example, it took me until NOW to realize that a) at the moment namjoon says "oh shit!" he turns into his shadow, not just a cool rapper and b) yoongi's shadow is probably saying things like "i wanna be rich" because yoongi believes one of his flaws was becoming too greedy (consider this line from "the last": "the greed that was my weapon devours me and sometimes collars me")
ur a jazz musician?? i would looove to see reaction to taehyng's solo songs like stigma and snow flower TAE LOVES JAZZ and always incorporates elements of it in his songs
Make sure to check out Andrew's reaction to "Still With You"!
Thanks for the suggestions! I can tell you that Stigma has been very requested so it probably won't be too far away 😊
This episode was so much fun to watch! I love the idea of reacting to all 3 rap solos in 1 video. It made talking about and relating the concepts flow so much more efficiently. Thank you so much for the reactions. 💜💜
Thank you, that's exactly what we were hoping for! 💜
Now that you have dived into Jung with Persona, Shadow, and Ego, you may want to take a look back at Boy With Love with the Anima in mind...
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh 🤯 I'm so excited when I eventually go back and listen to the full album and try to piece everything together
@@AndrewBergSax The work of BTS is like a neverending treasure trove ☺️ The sign of a true artist.
@@AndrewBergSax There are 2 songs on Persona which are not on MOTS:7, so make sure you watch those, too. There is a great performance of Home from Jimmy Fallon's 2020 BTS Week. Mikrokosmos, which is part of the fantastic 2019 MMA performance, was the finalé for the Speak Yourself concert tour.
Make It Right incorporates elements of the "hero's journey" as described by Joseph Campbell, based on Jungian archetypes. The "journey" encompasses the Anima (i.e. ARMY)_ aiding and accompanying the soul on it's journey to the underworld/subconscious and back, to help integrate the Shadow.
to answer your question, each song samples one of the intros to 3 of their older releases - persona samples the intro from skool luv affair, shadow from (you saw the reference to it in the video) o!rul8,2?, ego from 2 cool 4 skool.
Finally someone who reacts to all three songs in the trio at once!!!
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Thank you 😀
Ego is actually deeper than you guys might think!
I feel like we need more rappers like Suga and the mature RM
i love them all, but Shadow seems more special to me... maybe because it was Suga`s.😅☺
stay safe guys..! borahae 💜💜💜
Yes! Love that you went through the three concept songs! This is a trilogy of songs that helped push me into the BTS rabbit hole. It made it clear how thoughtful the BTS catalog is
I completely understand that! I love how deep these songs go!
Love the reactions!!
I love all their songs but i really love shadow MV, it's a masterpiece😭
Jhope's "Ego" MV gives me his "daydream" MV vibes💜💜
the songs are not only different because of the concept they talk about, but also because of each of the rapper's personal style in making music
Thank u fot reacting the rapper line💜💜💜
Daechwita also by suga or agust D (speeling backward is agus=suga: tD= town Daegu)
Well... The rapper line in bts are
RM, rap with his brain, he is word play genius, intellect rapper
SUGA, rap with his soul thats why his song are speak so deep, he is tongue technology, savage, strong, fierce and splits fire can curse with his words hits you, bold, many said he is rapper god in his unique way
JHOPE, rap with his heart, he is flow god, a free happy hip hop soul rapper
I like both of your humble the reaction and review to react to suga "shadow" the song also corelated with Swiss psychiatrist and psychoanalyst
carl jung theory alter ego = shadow
Suga, once said in one of interview, " you will like bts music if you listen without prejudice"
They have their own reality show called run bts, now already episode 132 per march 10th 2021
Well.. Related with this shadow interlude suga song alll is from his mind,lyrics,beat just all, I have seen one of their reality show "run bts episode 56" at minutes 27:30 when suga/min yoonGi part share his poem also talking about their debut before and progress.. Here you "hear" also about suga's "shadow" song lyrics, then suga make it to this interlude shadow💜💜
You may watch dkdktv explaination about interlude shadow suga. How suga accept who he is as idol, as suga as agust d and as min yoonGi
They are dare to speak in their song about mental health noot just common ppl but aslo mental health for celebrity/idol/singer in kpop live facing bullied or even comment negativity from others or even from their own fear..
My brain just froze. So much in one video. Thank u
Hahaha then we did our job 😀
I love his each of these songs fit each of the members so well. They embodied the songs. I’m always so impressed
Yes, that is so true!
persona to me feels so nostalgic because it samples their earlier songs, but shadow is definetly intense! ego is a breath of fresh air, realizing who you really are
That's interesting, I really agree and I didn't know what they were sampling in Persona. It still has that nostalgic vibe though and the others are exactly as you described as well!
Andrew, I don't know if you planned it that way, but Shadow completed two years just about 4 days ago. Ego's anniversary coming up soon as well. So, good timing! Cheers!
Hahaha that was definitely not planned, but I love that it worked out so well 😂
*Persona*
The song they were sampling, I believe was from their Skool Luv Affair comeback trailer I think. The animate RM is his persona, and then the other dancing people are many versions of himself. His shadow is hesitation.
*Shadow*
Fun Fact - RM wrote the English Intro to this song and suggested it to SUGA. I think it fits perfectly with this song. O!RUL8,2? comes up in red, yellow, and white flashes. He's referencing their first comeback album.
*EGO*
The beginning of this song has an intro sample of their 2 Cool 4 Skool album - their debut or "beginnings". And J Hope did a lot of self reflecting and going back to his beginnings. I love this song.
They are all so good. I enjoyed your breakdown. I hope you do some of their songs off the BE Album. That whole album explored their thoughts, feelings, and ways they dealt with the pandemic, and giving hope to their fans.
Yes, that album is definitely on my list!
I have this theory that since hobi only started making music after joining bts, he wasn't really "raised" in music as every other musician is, therefore he is not as restrained by certain habits and standards that exist in the music industry
because very often he doesn't follow a regular song structure, he just does whatever
he adds a crazy amount of styles into one song, elements of a genre that usually wouldn't be used in another and he just does it like it's normal
he does some crazy very original and particular things with his rap, funky and sometimes even funny
that's why I think his style is super unique, like, my guy just goes everywhere and sometimes things get crazy lol
I think he doesn't even realize that ppl usually do it a certain way and he just does whatever he feels
Aw, three bunnies 🐇🐇🐇 for the three rappers about to go off 🥰
Also, at this point I am specifically looking forward to finding out which cute Bangtannies NomNomming clip you have found this time 😂
The moment Caitlin said "it has such a throwback vibe" I started screaming internally 😆
because not only is it throwback in the style of the music and video, but it's also using a sample from one of their earliest albums.
Okay Caitlin, I am officially a fan of your segue from Persona into Shadow 🤩
Andrew, I find it really incredible how you not only picked up on the sampling, but also on the O!RUL8,2? flash!!! 😲 Because that definitely went by really quickly, and it took me watching it several times to notice, while also knowing that there should be such a connection in there, when it came out originally.
And then also for all three song reactions, I am in awe of how succintly Caitlin managed to not only explain the concepts, but also then pick up on the lyrics and tie it all together neatly. 👏👏👏
Finally, thank you for daring to tackle all three songs in one go! I know this must have been quite a big project to deal with, with the background research, filming, and then the reaction editing (which is really cool and helpful when you explain musical stuff, because you give us either an auditory or visual example always).
Just to tack this on: i think having heard Shadow a lot of times, when I inevitably tried to recreate that rhythm there myself I automatically started using (my gybberish imitation of) the lyrics, and it felt easier with them than without. And that reminded me of one thing my piano teacher once told me: in a good song, the melody/rhythm feels natural with the language of the lyrics (aka you don't have musical accents in places where the language naturally would not have them). Granted, sometimes also a particular effect is achieved by going exactly against this rule-of-thumb, just like you also pointed out with Per-so-ná. Anyway... I'll stop rambling on here... but this is what you do with me, you make me think further about song-writing, and music theory, and how everything connects to the concepts 😁
Thank you both for this entertaining reaction! 💜
🥕 CFA
Hahaha the algorithm is hungry, I'm always trying to find new ways to help encourage people to feed it 😂
Caitlin definitely did an excellent job with the summaries and I really think that doing that research ahead of time helped us enjoy the experience more.
Yeah, while I was editing I kept on trying to figure it out so I could put it on screen, but I think it falls slightly off the beat (to feel more natural) and it was really hard to recreate correctly in a way that wasn't just nested tuplets.... I think my best approximation is a quarter note triplet, but the first two quarter notes are actually a sixteenth followed by a dotted eighth. And then one time he turns the last quarter into an eighth note triplet as well... Anyway, that's the best I could get it to match technically, but like you said, sometimes it just needs to be based on the lyrics and normal speech patterns
@@AndrewBergSax oohhh now i'm going to have to go back to that position again and focus on the rhythm, with your technical description in mind! because yeah, it's definitely not just a "straight forward" synchopation 😜
I love that you guys did these 3 songs in one setting, I love these 3 songs so much and they are the right person to sing it in the group. imagine if Suga sings persona, RM sings EGO and JHope sings Shadow? i mean of course they can but ach suit their personality so well. RM being the thinker/poet type and Suga the deep reflector and JHope the versatile, sunshine singing EGO is just perfect!
This trilogy is great, the lyrics are deep (referring to the archetypes of Carl Jung's unconscious) but the pulse of RM's song is incredible (reminds me of Led Zeppelin) A genius these solos really!
Shadow ALWAYS makes me cry. It feels like Yoongi just shoved his fist in my chest, ripped out my still beating heart - then craddled it so gently.
It hurts. But it's a beautiful pain. And I want to hold Yoongi; too let him know he's not alone. Just be there for him. And ignore the deep pain in my own chest.💜
3 songs that are literally masterpiece in one video ♥
loved this reaction
Thank you, I loved seeing these three in a row!
Everyone : I’m here to watch reaction to BTS video
Me : I’m here to watch Caitlin cuteness🥰
Honestly same 😂
This series seemed to portray the struggles of fame and the broadcasting of their lives in my options. For RM, it’s the struggle to grow and accept facets of himself that he might not be comfortable showing people. For Suga, it’s the idea that the person he shows fans is still tied to his personal identity , even if they feel so separated. And for J-Hope, it definitely seemed satirical for me, showing how fame can take over and puts you in such a position of power that nothing else matter to you but your own opinions.
That's a great summary! 😀
If it wasn’t enough that all three are standout songs by themselves, the way they weave together is just *chefs kiss* plus it’s Rapline and that says enough by itself haha. I feel like these songs also really represent each of them musically? I don’t know if it makes sense and if it’s because they were some of the first I heard from them, but I feel as though if I heard the songs before they were on them, I would still have gone ‘this one is Yoongi’s’ and so on.
It’s like I can almost see your brains whirring while you watch them in the best possible way 😅 I just have to say that your takes on the meanings and stories in their songs are always insane and I love your discussions back and forth!
I honestly don’t think I have ever enjoyed music as much as I do with BTS, and that says a lot. I think it’s because they put so so much effort and thought into everything they do. They are artists in the truest sense of the word and just keep getting better over time.
Pleaaaase selfish video request here - having seen some more solo rap songs now, you two absolutely have to see Outro: Tear at some point in your journey!! The lyrics themselves are heart wrenching but then they add in a little play on words just to top it off and it’s awesome. This performance (czcams.com/video/UDuaJGYe8EQ/video.html) has the lyrics on screen, is hands down the best performance and it has nothing to do with Hobi in the dior harness…..
It’s definitely worth reading a little on the background to the song before listening or watching to give context for the sheer emotion you’ll experience haha. This genius article covers it pretty well - genius.com/amp/a/what-is-the-meaning-of-bts-outro-tear
Thank you for another good un! Perfect way to start my weekend 😄
Hello!! It has been a while since your last essay 😂 Outro: Tear is definitely on the list and has been highly requested! I almostttt chose to listen to that instead of these 3 songs, but in the end the concept of these songs tilted the scale. Thank you so much for the links too, that will definitely help to save some time! 😀
@@AndrewBergSax I know, it’s been far too long to not have inflicted one on you but I just couldn’t help myself 🤣 life has been a bit wild the past couple of months and by the time I’ve got to your videos sometimes it’s been a couple of weeks later but I’ve been lurking around!
No, it was so good to see your reaction to these as a trio and letting them all have their moment to shine individually before then watching them together as a unit. Almost avengers-style them against the world feeling with rap line when they’re going off sometimes hahah. Happy to have helped and always more than happy to in the future should it be useful ☺️ …. definitely haven’t spent far too much time in BTS land in the past two years 🤦♀️
I'll always be hours late when the video drops due to different time zones but I just wanna say I love your takes on the music and the lyrics and I don't mind longer videos if you (and Caitlin) wanna geek out
Thank you so much, I really appreciate it!!
Came down to the comments to answer the sampling question but see its already been answered x') so instead I'll just say as older ARMY (found them in 2014 with Danger) you have no idea just how exciting it was to hear all these songs the first time knowing they were sampling their older stuff, I definitely paused and had mini freak outs the first times lol
Edit : Where I've paused you haven't asked (yet?) I dunno if you will after unpausing, but that banner from the building has Joonie (RM)s name on it 김 남준 Kim Namjoon 💜
Edit 2 : Well done for spotting the O!RUL8,2? !
Edit 3 : That ready set begin part Caitlin was talking about is actually a sample of a sample lol it was already a sample in their Intro : 2 Cool 4 Skool (which is what Ego samples) as the "We're now going to progress to some steps, Which are a bit more difficult, Ready, set, and begin" were from an old instructional disco freestyle tape. x')
I can only imagine how cool it would've been!! And also so unexpected! I appreciate the extra info! 😀
@@AndrewBergSax Yes extremely unexpected! x')
3 amazing songs. BTS is inspiring to me.
A cool thing with how RM accents the word “per-so-NA” like you pointed out that is that “na” is the word for “me.” Knowing RM, I think it’s intentional word play.
In the album before this came out the title track was “Idol.” In that song there were lines about having several different people inside but that they all make up “me.” I think the all the faceless figures in RM’s video are all just the different personas of himself. Which is only easy to pick up on if you had heard and seen “Idol.” We all have so many different personas and “me’s” sometimes we can feel lost or fake. Maybe knowing and loving yourself will never get rid of all these personas, but RM says that’s okay because maybe they all have to be added up to equal “me.”
Oh that's really interesting!!
The rappline.. They are amazing 🤩 😍🔥
Andrew I don't know if you remember in the ON commentary dialogue, the gospel choir was recording the background vocals for EGo as well. 😊
That's awesome!! I'm going to have watch that section back again!
And one more interesting thing is Korean word 나 (na), meaning me, which he keeps saying rhymes with persona. It is beautiful and he is genius as we all know! #LoveYouRM 💜
I really enjoy your reactions and I’m on your discord too. I’d like to recommend a song called “Paradise.” It has lots of changes in the beat and tempo that I think will surprise you. It might only be a lyric video, not sure if there’s a live performance or MV. It’s not a love song, which the title might suggest.
Thanks for the recommendation, and I'm glad you've joined us on Discord! I've heard great things about Paradise so I appreciate the vote 😀
Paradise is one of those songs I appreciate the more I hear it
That's such a treat to watch all three together 💗💗💗
Thank you so much 💜💜💜
All of them are true masterpieces 😘😘
They are!! It was so cool to see them together 💜
I share your excitement 😝 amazing consept! Love it. Shadow is a masterpiece, no doubt! You are me, I'm you, sometimes we collide...
Yes, I agree!!
I'm so excited for this reaction 🤩! The way that these three songs create such a cool story following Jungian psychology never fails to impress me, so I'm really looking forward to seeing what the two of you think about it, especially from the musican/writer perspectives
Thank you so much! I love the connection between the songs!
Just to point out something that I didn't see in the comments. Towards the end of ego, there was some brilliant female backing vocals, which i caught you guys noticing too. The recording of those were included in the On: commentary that you reacted to.
Oh that's cool, thank you!
THESE 3 SONGS ARE ONE OF MY FAVORITES! The lyricisim and heartfelt passion they put into their m/v and performances is by far one of the best...A work of *ART* ! SO GOOD 💜💯
Great reaction, really enjoyed this and your takes on it. Although I don't believe in Jung's philosophies all the songs are great at explaining them and I can live with that. They all have their individual style and feeling which totally reflects each artist. Great stuff!
Shadow is really produced well. SUGA is amazing.
It's finally happening!!! I knew there would be things that I missed musically and on the lyrics pointed out by you. Thank you so much
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
As a student of languages, it's always interesting to me how BTS uses English in their music, because of course it is influenced by their native Korean, so they end up with a kind of fusion of the two languages, which brings about different and creative effects. For example, Korean does not have stresses on certain syllables for pronunciation the way English does. It basically stresses each syllable equally. So when BTS puts English words into their songs, they will often stress (or not stress) the syllables differently than an English speaker would. Hence, RM pronouncing Persona "per-so-NAH", which fits with the music and the rhyme he's using.
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Ok, now listen to the 3 intros of their 3 first albums ( 2 good 4 skool, ORUL82 (!!!!!!), Skool Luv Affair) and explain us what you find
Yes… this is related… trust me. Thank you for your reaction, love Caitlin becoming soft to their rap ( love your hair style here lady !)
Cheeers !
Thank you for doing these together!! It is so much more impactful when you hear the message together because they are intertwined. Caitlyn is just to cute fan girling 💜💜💜 Borahae
Thank you! I agree, it's so cool to hear them together 💜
Hi, I am back. Great reaction, ty. This was fun. Your so cute together. Just noticed RM mentioning map of the soul which is part of the BU story line. Everything is connected, sweet! Yep, I got old school vibes 90's from Persona too. =0p Suga's Shadow is deep, and intense too. It makes many uncomfortable. But if u pay attention and listen u see a hint of a light of hope at the end. =0p Also, the « big house, big car, big ring » is Suga referencing his lyrics from No More Dream. And than we got Ego. Jhope is a dancer 1st and foremost. He also is a sub vocal in the group. So it makes sense for him not to rap. He is himself and that is what he is giving us. =0] So glad u enjoyed all 3 songs! Hugs. Love u. Stay safe. --NY USA Army💟
Absolutely love the way you guys did the breakdown!! Maybe you guys can watch the Dkdktv explanations which dig out the korean slang meanings too!
Omg can't believe the 3 are related, u r too good Andrew and Caitlin. Man, I always learn new things about BTS's music that makes it even more legendary
I can always count on you guys to explain the meaning of 🎵 the BTS songs. At least between the music and means we get perspective out of your show. Thx
Thank you so much, that's exactly what we're trying to do 😊
Y'all... It's almost 10pm my time 🌙 and I finally got to watch!! 🥲
🏆 Congratulations on an amazing first sponsored video!! Your hard work preparing, recording & editing is evident!
🚀 Space Jam YES. 😆 You two opened my eyes to the use of animation in all 3 videos! Wow!
🧠 Both of your brains were on-point providing interesting comments & reflections.
🎭 Persona - the part where RM accepts himself and says he is no longer embarrassed, the music changes but I don't know how to explain it. It sounds more confident. Was that the use of accents in the instrumental section?
👑 It was really fun to watch Andrew watching Shadow. (Me watching Yoongi-biased musicians who are watching Yoongi do his thing, is my new favorite hobby.) SUGA makes beautiful music.
P.S. your Skillshare plug was one of the most authentic sponsor spots ever. 🌟
🚘 Ego really confused me the first time I saw & heard it. I didn't know what to make of the music OR the lyrics. But the second time, I cried and wanted to dance for joy. j-hope's music composition style really is unique.
Fastest 26 minutes ever! 💜
CFA 🥕
Another great set of videos to react to would be the rapline Cyphers (1 to 4)!