Bushcraft Essentials Bushbox Ultralight Outdoor Pocket Stove Comprehensive Review
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- čas přidán 4. 12. 2020
- In this video we take an in depth look at the Bushcraft Essentials Bushbox Ultralight Outdoor Pocket Stove
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Link to an explanation on how to properly build a fire in the stove
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Ultralight
Weight 2.8 ounces / 80 grams
2.0 ounces / 59 grams (with ash plate and trivet removed)
Height 3 1/2” / 9 cm
Width 3 7/8” / 9.5 cm
BCD 2 ½” / 6.3 cm
2 ¾” / 7.4 cm (lower level)
Thank you for the great video, I am impressed. There are not many reviewers who take so much trouble to understand the products they are talking about - and even to find new application variants. Speaking of which, I like your idea of using the stove upside down, I don't think anyone has thought of that yet. Anyway, I like this video so much that I have put it on our manuals page so as many people as possible can profit from it. And I really appreciate your calm, professional way of explaining things - and your warm, pleasant voice.
Detlev
I am honoured that you like my video. Thank you
I've had this stove for almost 7 years now. The good news is that the warping doesn't get much worse and really has never been an issue for me. It was a bit pricy but it has proven to be a good quality little stove.
I agree. They make top quality stoves. Thanks for commenting
Few things get me more excited than a Mark Young stove video 😎 my wife thinks I’m crazy but now she likes watching too! Well done sir
Glad to be entertaining😊. Thanks for commenting
What a great video! I was looking for reviews on this stove and came across a number of them where you could see that the reviewer had never even used the stove. They were all shiny and new. But this was great. Very comprehensive. Thanks.
Glad it was helpful. Thanks for commenting
The stove seems to burn better with wood then I would have assumed for it's diminutive size. As always, a great review.
It is quite a good performer for its size. Can be a bit fiddly to assemble. Thanks for commenting Lonnie
Lots of versatility in that small package!👍
Very much so. Thanks for commenting Wade
Thank you for the excellent informative and comprehensive video on this. You’ve gained a new subscriber 👍🏻. I’ve ordered this stove primarily to use with a Trangia burner, but will give it a go as wood burner too!
Glad it was helpful! That is the way I pack and carry mine as well. Mainly used with a Trangia. Thanks for commenting
Great demo Mark. Looks like it is exactly what I have been looking for.
Thanks
Nate
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for commenting
Excellent review. Thorough and informative. Thank you!
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Great comprehensive review, many thanks👍🏻👍🏻
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Inverting it, was a great suggestion!
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Loved This Explanation & test, Thanks, Mark ! Stay Safe & Well ! ATB T God Bless
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for commenting Terry
Excellent review, Mark, Thanks!
Glad you liked it! Thanks for commenting
An interesting demonstration .. thanks 👍.
I watched recently, a German You Tuber discussing 'warping' on metal wood stoves.
He contends (which makes sense) that these types of Stoves should be used with twigs no thicker than one's finger. Twig length should be short enough to fit inside the Stove.
Having to constantly feed it .. that goes for anything with a small fuel container / tank.
I have the Bushbox LF in SS .. use finger diameter short twigs and am quite happy with the results. This particular little Ultra-Light is on my wish list and yes, my main fuel sources for it will most probably be Alcohol, Gel Fuel and Charcoal.
Take care ..
I watched the same video and presenter makes a good point. As was explained to me by the designers at Bushcraft Essentials, it is the uneven heating and cooling of the metal that causes the warping. This happens most often when a stove is stacked like a Swedish Fire Torch. I have the BE LF as as well. Perfect size for one to two people. I have not had an issue using fairly thick splits of wood but then again, I don't overload the stove. Have a video on the Ultralight as well if you are interested. Thanks for commenting
Thanks for the review mark. This was one of the 4 on my list. I like it because it's so light, and because it's just something kinda different, but clearly I see now why I only see people using it for their Trangia. It works as a wood stove, but as you said, it works better with alcohol. So as much as I want something different, I think I'll scratch this one off, because I want the alcohol as a back up, not the wood.....though the urge to get something different is strong 🙂
I like you videos because, apart from being thorough, you mention things like yes it's small, but it's only meant for one person, whereas other channel will just say it's small without qualifying the statement, or that it's primary use would be alcohol etc....
Thanks for the feed back, and for the love of god, gimme a heads up when you have a garage sale!!!!😃
Hey Jim. So, am I saving you money or costing you?😇. I do try and answer questions I would ask if I were looking to buy a stove. I am thinking of doing an "all my stoves" video but not sure I have the space
Mark Young Saving or costing me? That's yet to be determined. 😂
Honestly, I don't want to buy a dozen more stoves. I'm trying to be a good boy and only buy one or two more. Thanks to the prices becoming more reasonable, I may get this one one day as an alcohol/ stick stove. But my priority right now is a stick/alcohol stove. So you helped me rule out this as an immediate purchase.
I'm pretty sure I'll get the nano next, but I'm not sure, only because I kinda feel like the higher feed port would maybe be easier in a small stove. Like tipping a match up or down, but the nano can do the Swedish torch, and is supposed to work really well with the Trangia roo
I think the best part of the kit was the pouch you made for the stove. That and the poppy you are wearing. :-)
Thanks John
love these little stoves,the warping is a small problem to install it the next time,
but not very big of a deal
I agree totally Steve. Thanks for commenting
This one was my very first wood burning stove.
I believe I even have a very short video on it on here.
My only issue with it, is that when using small branches (which you can find even in some urban areas, like Chicago), you will need to be constantly feeding it to keep a good flame going, to maintain a good heating/cooking temperature. (At least, with what I have experienced)
I had bought it to save some weight (not necessarily always a good idea) and space, but have relegated it to backyard usage....primarily, for my kids, so they can get used to handling and maintaining a small fire by themselves.
Thank you, Mark, for another thorough review of this little wood stove.
I look forward to watch a video of you using charcoal briquettes in this stove, to see if that could be a viable option to take back out to the field in a day hike capacity (even for when my family goes with - obviously, will extend the cooking time.).
Keep up the great work, Sir !
I agree about the constant feeding of small sticks. I find this true of most small stoves. They do not allow you to do other chores while cooking. Thanks for commenting
@@MarkYoungBushcraft If you cut 4 pieces large enough to fit together vertically, leaving a tiny space in the center for kindling, you will establish a long burn. I get 30 min with my Firebox Nano. Re packing: I put my firekit, folding kuksa cup, telescoping bellows, titanium windscreen, a tea bag, and microfiber cloth (also to keep rattles at bay; ), inside a 550 Ti cup w/lid; my Firebox with fireguard in a cordura case placed vertically, and a folding Ti spoon, inside a zpacks dyneema stuff sack. Everything at the ready and able to use with gloves.
Enjoyed the review. If you hold the sprung ends of the two sides once you have inserted the grate, then it won't fall apart as you try to add the third side.
Thanks for commenting
Great content as always.
Seems like a good little stove for alcohol or fuel tablets. For a wood stove it should be a couple of inches taller and needs a little more ventilation at the top, I think.
It is interesting for being as short as it is how well it works with a larger pot. Not as well with smaller pots on the trivet for the reasons you mention. Thanks for commenting
Great video Mark. I would be tempted to bend a skewer with 3 sides (U shaped) and just pound the two ends into the ground to support longer sticks. Just an idea.
Yes, I can see how that would work. Great suggestion
I have a comment about pot diameter and the integrated stand. I have only used an alcohol burner so far, got the bushbox ul today. My Toaks 1100ml pot has a diameter of little less than 11.5 cm I think. I was able to boil water with all 3 supports in contact of the pot, but I cannot say if using it as a wood stove, that the temperature would not enlarge the support distances so that the pot would tilt a little after loosing one support contact.
It anyways is a must if simmering a cooking in that pot to use just two of the selected integrated supports touching and keep the pot somewhat tilted. That in itself is not necessarily any bad thing in my opinion, because in nature the Bushbox UL or any stove will seldom stand totally level, so that can be compensated that way.
The 1100ml pot sits in 11.8 cm 550ml pot for backpacking/camping as a 2 pot system and that small increase in diameter makes that pot stable to stand in the 3 supports. So 12 cm pot also, and probably will sit stable enough for simmering.
If I understand you comment or question. you are wondering if a fire will cause the pot supports to spread. I have had a good number of fires in mine with no distortion at all. If you watch my most recent video I use a Uberleben Kessel on the stove with a wood fire. Yes, it is 133mm diamter but it worked as if made for the stove. When using smaller pots I make sure to install the trivet as it will prevent slipping into the stove. Hope this helps
@@MarkYoungBushcraft My post was not a question nor looking for your help, but a rather long analysis and information about Toaks 1100ml pot being annoyingly a quite limit diameter pot to use with this stove.
Cannot be used of course with that "thrivet", nor can cook stable with the integrated pot stand optimally.
If you read more careful, you should be able to understand. Btw free thermal expansion seldom causes any permanent distortion for designs with homogenous material. That you understood wrong too from my post ;)
The same analysis/information applies I think also to Toaks 900ml and 700ml pots with the same diameter.
Good video again. My opinion is that "jigsaw" stoves are tricky to use if is cold weather and fingers are frozen. And must be careful that not to lost parts.
Vary true. A folding stove or a one-piece stove are easier to use when it is too cold to work with bare fingers. Thanks for commenting
My comment is twofold.
I have always in videos people have posted seen that they have been suffering with using it as a twig stove. My thought to this is that maybe the slots, 3 had been better positioned somewhat like 1 slot higher, and in that given that much more height. With some added weight. My 10 cm height windscreen would not though, work unless the stove had not been pushed into ground.
The other is that it is now very fine as an alcohol burner stand. I am not sure that methanol, Heet etc. is not better in not sooting the pots. My denatured alcohol Sinol contains at least 91% ethanol. More BTU than methanol and not sooting either.The rest is 1-5% isopropanol, that is very sooting, 2% ethyl methyl ketone (butanone) and 2 % methyl isobutyl ketone, all as denaturation stuff.
I don't get any hand sooted pot after boiling with say 0.86 inch after boiling when rubbed by hand. In the long run the pot bottom does get black though.
When putting a Trangia burner on the bottom slot of Bushbox ultralight or Tomshoo (Evernew copy burner) 1.25 inch on the second slot and rubbing the pot bottom after in my hand, somewhat brown effect. Could be just that isopropanol content?
Nothing serious and can't be compared any at all with a wood stoves one at all. Just I wonder if pure methanol, forbidden I guess to be sold in Finland, is really less sooting?
It is interesting to me to hear people complain about sooting when using methanol. I purchase hardware store methyl hydrate and have no sooting issues at all. At the same time, my pots are all very sooty from using over fires so it is not a concern for me. Yes, this stove works very well with alcohol but I do like how it works with wood as well. Thanks for commenting
@@MarkYoungBushcraft I guess you are right, just let my pot get something on bottom :) I did found though a solution with cleaning. They are called, translated, as soap-fine steel wool pads. They work. Nothing else did, so I was like, I am doomed.
I’m a big fan of this little stove because it is for my money a better pot holder for the Trangia than the Trangia triangle; cheaper too. You can enhance its wood burning capabilities if you leave the ash pan home and just set it on a piece of aluminum foil. The foil helps reflect heat back up into the stove, and the ventilation and burn chamber volume are both increased by using just the fire grate in the lowest position.
I agree. I carry it on almost all outings. I use it as much with my Trangia as I do with wood. One of the best in the Bushcraft Essentials lineup. Thanks for commenting
Being a fan of ultralight and compact solutions, i ordered both this one and the "EDC Micro" stove yesterday. Will use them mainly for alcohol stoves, but i do like the option to use wood if im in a pinch. As im pretty shocked that most humans are so "desensitized" that they see no problem with boiling shrimps and lobsters alive, i do not eat those foods anymore, and i will also use an extra metal plate under the stove to avoid frying microorganisms on the ground. Most people will probably laugh at this, but caring/authenticity is necessary to feel "alive" and "happy". All our thoughts program our subconscious, and if we program ourselves with not caring, then we can also not feel happy about the stuff we dont care about... Going against our better judgement is literally to block off/invalidate our authentic selves - which is why; "Thou shalt not lie"...
I think you will appreciate the Ultralight stove. I know I do. Thanks for commenting
I like this german made quality design a lot. In my opinion this is a spirit or solid fuel tablet stand stove and a somewhat of a windhsield mainly. Just what Mark told too. I don't have something like a typical 750 ml pot that would stand solidly inside but not top on the "integrated" corner supports. I am interested how they work in windshield regard?
This post is about soot with my denatured alcohol, Sinol.
It is about Trangia burner sooting more when the effective burn distance is like almost 1.2 inch compared to the something like 0.8 inch. I always put something like 30ml water to my Trangia fuel bottle, total about 450 ml. Trangia burner won't much soot with 0.8 distance, can be controlled with putting my 118mm pot on top of the integrated stand on the base plate in middle setting, If put on low, the most fast setting, it will soot some. Nothing of course like using this as a hobo :)
Sooting has not anything to do with this stand. Not like oxygen enough or any. You can put the thrivet under the Tangia burner in lowest with if really more oxygen is needed? No effect. Sooting has only to do with how Trangia type burns with a yellow flame too with burn distance, thats all. You can see how the Trangia burner flames under no pot.
Interesting thing is that my chinese Tomshoo japanese Evernew burner copy, with base plate set on the middle has about the same burn distance as Trangia with base plate set on bottom. Just it burns with a quite blue flame. And does not soot much. Will be time to see how well those 0.3mm plates can take those blue flames as they are close and somewhat suppressing the flames to keep under such a small as 118mm diameter pot :)
Thanks for commenting
I'd like to add about alcohol stoves in winter. It is just a myth that they won't work as well as in warmer weather. We can have this Tomshoo titanium burner as an example. It has no cotton wicking inside. Does not matter.
We can pour -20C alcohol in the burner and warm it with putting a tea light candle under the Bushbox UL, or use a lighter from pocket. Smelting snow of course takes time if not lake water available.
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Firebox Nano titanium has it beat. With a flip of the wrist, it falls into place. No separate pieces to fiddle with in the cold.
The Nano is a great stove (I own two); however, the titanium version is much heavier (79gr VS 120gr) and twice the price and of course you need to insert the nano-sticks to use a Trangia. Thanks for commenting
@@MarkYoungBushcraft Yes, but I use it for wood in the coooolllld!! LOL
@@MarkYoungBushcraft No alcohol in the cold ; ))
As neat as this little stove is, i wonder how it compares to the Ti Nano. Obviously, the price will be in the ultralight's favor, but after using the nano for a while it seems to me all the other advantages would fall to the nano. And it's only about an ounce and a half heavier.
I remember a really interesting video (may even have been a series) you did on the Bushcraft Essentials stoves. Would you be interested in making a lineup comparison video for Firebox stoves?
I would say price ($55CAD vs $102CAD) and weight (79gr vs 120gr) give the BE Ultralight an advantage but ease of use would give the Nano an edge. Yes, once I have completed reviewing all the BE stoves I plan to make some comparison videos. Thanks for commenting
@@MarkYoungBushcraft Love your channel. It's my goto for wood stove reviews and guidance. Great channel.
Have you ever seen the preheater from tangia? I've just made one for mine by cutting the bottom off a cheap, thin steel, water bottle I got at value village for $1. Used a dremell to cut it, then pliers to fold over the "clips". Double folded for me, because it's so thin. Might make a good (and cheap) diy video for you.
Yes, I have seen (but not purchased) a Trangia winter pre-heater. I do often use a priming tray but I could see if I could fashion something similar to what you made. Thanks for the idea Jim
Hi Mark, just wanted to say that this video was another highly informative presentation! And I was wondering if you knew why there a disclaimer from CZcams that your video has sponsored content? I don't remember seeing it before.
I guess I need to make a statement on that. YT has started requiring this when I am in anyway compensated for the video. The stove was sent to me for free so I have to tick that box
And that's exactly what I surmised about the situation. But I hadn't seen it before and thank you for the clarification. ➡ Just to note, I truly believe that you have the most honest and informative presentation in the entire Buschcraft community on CZcams❗😁
When using alcohol or Esbit with a smaller cup, do you have a sense of how much the trivet acts as a heat sink and reduces fuel efficiency?
Hard to quantify but it does pull heat away fro the pot. The trade off is airflow but that is not an issue with alcohol. Thanks for commenting
Can use the simmer ring with a trangia in this stove?
Yes you can. Thanks for commenting
I really do wonder if the weight saving you have with such a small stove is enough to weigh in against the work you have to process and feed compered with a larger heaver stove were you feed and can do other camp chores at the same time.
You make a good case Barrie. I think that is why I see using it with alcohol before wood. Then again, most small wood stove require a lot of tending. Thanks for commenting
I've looked at that one, but I figured I'd better stop at 8 stoves.
I don't know if there is a single answer for this, but how would you describe your ideal camping stove? What features would be required?
Oh my... my ideal stove. There are many factors that go into the stove I pick for any given day including, what I am cooking, how many people, the time of year. It may be said that a big stove can do everything a small stove can but a small stove won't do as much as a big stove. The trade off is weight, unless you are okay with paying the premium for titanium. If I were to choose one stove it might be either the Firebox Gen2 5" or Bushbox XL in titanium. Having said that, I am really liking my Bushbox LF in titanium. All of these are easy to use, perform well are light and compact. They are a bit costly though. I think I may do a video on choosing a wood stove. Thanks for commenting
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Thank you very much. Same to you
My only issue with this stove (when used with wood) is that I don't really trust the ash plate because it'll leave 3 very large holes at each corner. I tried cutting a thin steel mesh that goes in perfectly into the bottom of the stove and rests on top of the grate.. it works well but it's not an elegant solution 😅 the steel mesh sides poke at my hands and other stuff every time I use them.
Do you by any chance have different ideas to use instead?
I understand your concern. For me, if I am able, I try to make sure the stove (or any stove) is on a fire safe surface. For this stove, or stoves that I feel need another layer of protection I use a piece of heavy duty aluminum foil. It will not withstand a lot of direct heat but does work well when there is a small gap. The few coals that may fall through are unlikely to burn through the foil. Hope this helps. Thanks for commenting
In cold weather wouldn't sitting it on a rock without the ash pan risk cracking the rock? I've had some pretty large rocks crack that were the outer ring of a fire. Of coarse it contained a really large fire. I would not want to fumble with assembling a stove with cold hands. I can see the benefits of using it for alcohol. The warping was most visible when you first removed the parts from the bag (not a deal breaker). Website won't display the price since they won't ship to USA at this time.
I can't imagine it generating enough heat to break a rock but you never know. Yes, it can be challenging for cold hands. Having said that, I just used it the other day at temps right around freezing with out issue but my hands were warm from hiking so that likely helped. If you are in Canada you can purchase through Canadian Outdoor Equipment. Thanks for commenting
So many better options than this. Firebox Nano for one. Trangia Triangle is far better for Trangia.
Thanks for commenting
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Thank for your kind words