Axle seal replacement First generation Firebird GTO Buick Oldsmobile too 1967 1968 1969
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- čas přidán 8. 07. 2024
- Pontiac rear axle seal, super easy repair. Won't even have to remove the diff cover to replace a leaky seal. First gen Firebird 1967, 1968, 1969 or many years of GTO use this style axle. Even better Buick and Oldsmobile also used bolt in rear axles. My first Firebird decided to leave its mark and not in a good way. Sitting for 6 months was not good and picked up a leak.
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Great job brother let these people know how is a Pontiac not just driving them but working on them too 👍
Thought I’d share that Pontiac used bolt in axles instead of c-clips just incase some folks didn’t know that.
The 8.2 BOP posi units are a WILD set up ! no clutches, nope 2 cast iron cone dogs with a spring to kick both axels engagement. When you do a burn out the car jumps sideways until the spring slams the second dog to get both wheels spinning. I was reprimanded in the burn out box for getting to out of control at a few tracks for that. The bigger the slicks, the worse it gets.
It is an odd set up. One of the sad parts is that it can’t be rebuilt once it stops functioning like the clutch pack type.
I sent my brother your way. Nice Christmas image of you and the family.
Wow thank for sharing!! I hope the 389 continues to go well especially since Santa brought you some cylinder heads!
Used to refer to those spring loaded wiper seals as "Garlock" seals.
I have heard that before. I have even heard of people taking the spring out and modify it by shortening it then reinstall it to stop leaks. Never tried it but I suppose it’s possible.
Another great informative video!
Glad you liked it. And I got this one right.
Great video Jon, I am still on the fence about swapping to disc's all around. AND YES DRIVE IT LIKE THAT!!!!!!
Oh it’s gonna happen. I do it every time but now I have added a camera so I can share it with all my friends.
Another good video!!
Thanks! Did not plan this one but it seems to be getting a great response. Good luck on your bird too.
Great video as always. Was interesting that these rear ends don't have the c-clips to them. Guess I could have found out if I hadn't have sold my '68. Watching your videos sure makes me want another first gen though.
Hey, plenty of time to get another one. I will even go with you to check it out before you buy it.
Nice job, I like the black paint on the caliper, not a fan of the popular RED caliper! 👍
Red is not my pick either but I really don’t like rust. Thanks for checking us out much appreciated!
I'm 70 and something has been bothering me for decades about my '69 Grand Prix that I owned when I was 20. I had the left rear wheel bearing go bad. At the time I barely had a pot to piss in so I knew this was a repair I would have to do myself. I did have a fair bit of mechanical knowledge on older Chevy's with a third member rear end, however, I could see the Pontiac was different. I asked a good mechanic friend and he lined me out on the procedure. I got down to the part of pulling the axle and I spent an entire day with the drum on backwards as a slide hammer trying to get the damn thing loose. After hours of hammering and blistered hands it broke free. Had the parts store press off and on the new bearing and reassembled the left rear. I add this comment because for years and years I'd often think about that repair and always wondered if I had somehow broken a 'C' clip on the diff end of that axle. Today I decided to finally get an answer to the question that has dogged me all this time. Thank you for this video! I can put this one to bed and go on to wonder about other dodgy things I did in my youth.
Wow. Thanks for the story, l bet you where wore out after that adventure for sure. Glad this helped put that to rest for you. I know when I get something in my head that is undone or unfinished it picks at me
Until I complete it. Glad to unravel that mystery and thanks for taking the time to let us know how we are doing.
@@VinylVillageGarage That '69 Model J, Jon Delorean designed beast was one of my favorite cars and one of the fastest, too. Over the years I've toyed around with the idea of trying to get another one, but we've decided we'll get something with a standard trans if we get anything at all. Working on vehicles was a hobby of mine for years and years. I still like to turn a wrench now and then so who knows...might just find the right one. You're working on another one of my favorite cars. Back in the late 80's I had one bought but the guy backed out on me.
There has to be the right car out there right now just waiting for you to open that garage door that it is hiding behind and take it home. Well I say that knowing it has to be a Pontiac, lol If you do decide to pick up one good luck on your search and enjoy cruising in style.
Hey Jon, you motivated me to do the seal replacements on my 68 10 bolt and I’m glad I did. Seems I had a good deal of blasting media that entered while sandblasting. Spent a whole day flushing it clean then replaced all seals. You should consider doing a video on replacing the pinion seal when you can. Thanks for the mentoring and instructional videos.
Awesomeness, I will definitely put that on the list as well. Pinion seals really aren’t to bad. There is a few tricks
Awesome video Jon. Buy the cow lmao
Very welcome
The other guys use the axle shaft as a bearing race
Very true and when the bearing fails you are buying an axle.
Hey Jon, always enjoy your informative content . Who’s disc kit are you using? Does the emergency brake work properly?
Have you ever tried a 3rd or 4th gen F body swap?
Thanks!
I have used the “right stuff” brand kits for 4 wheel disc comes with booster and master cylinder with correct combination valve.
Yes parking brake works just like factory. Foot pedal hooks to caliper cables. Easy mod.
I do have a set of modified spindles and brackets for fourth gen brakes, never used them yet. Not sure if I will actually. Great idea but then you have to run a larger wheel to clear.
I have rotors, calipers and mounting brackets for the rear to install on my ‘67 Camaro.
The calipers are used, donated by a friend. Was hoping I could run my 15” rally wheels, as I was under the impression that it was possible. What size wheels are yours?
I have 17” wheels on mine. The 15” wheel might clear fine. The Firebird came with 14” factory I know they won’t. Sadly i have been told even the 14 wheel won’t clear the “right stuff” kits too. I plan to test fit them soon to prove that or not.
I don't remember from your other video if you sandblasted the differential. If so, I hope there isn't any media inside the diff. I saw a rebuild that failed rather quickly due to media.
I sandblasted it yes. But I also pulled the axles and diff cover then flushed out all the gear oil after. Surprisingly no debris and very clean fluid. I did how ever drop the differential on my finger while painting it, and it was bad. All Heald up now.
@@VinylVillageGarage Ouch! I did the same thing in '69 swapping the differential out my '64 Cuda. Sure miss that car!
That sure is a nice car and very unique compared to the 70s cudas
Hey Jon, nice video. I’m gonna follow this exact procedure on my 68. I had new rear 355 gears, bearings and seals installed a year and a half ago in my factory 10 bolt BOP. I noticed a small drip last week, same place as yours but on the passenger side. I’m gonna pull the axle and check the seal. If I want to back this up with a little RTV sealant, where is the best place to apply the RTV in your opinion before I reinstall the axle? Also what type of RTV would you recommend for this type of application? Thanks very much!
Definitely would not hurt to add a bit of rtv on the seal around where it touches the axle tube. Most seals have an orange or blue coating on them basically a thin coat around the outside. Clean the axle tube throughly too. If you can find the “right stuff” brand it works great! Good luck and glad to help
@@VinylVillageGarage thanks Jon!
@@VinylVillageGarage update on my issue Jon. Since this post I pulled the axle and had a machine shop install a new TIMKEN axle bearing. They made sure the axle was straight and pressed on the new bearing and band. I installed a new seal in the axle tube along with a little bit of Right Stuff RTV sealant around the outside of the seal. Made sure the tube was spotless clean and installed the seal. Put her all back together and drove the car, I drive it maybe once every week or two. 5 weeks later i noticed a small dribble of gear oil again between the brake drum and backing plate. Took it all apart and had the same leak. 😮 I don’t see any damage or pitting in the axle tube area and the surface of the axle where the bearing slides over is smooth, not pitting or damaged areas other than a little discoloration. I’m no expert but I’m not sure at this point if the axle needs to be sleeved or not. Both axles are original to the car and my issue is the passenger side only. I used TIMKEN bearing and seal, I stay away from Chinese crap as much as I can, been down that road before. Any other suggestions?
What about a part# for the seal? I am sure I can find it myself. I replaced both seals years ago, must have nicked my seal when reinstalling my axle causing it to leak. Great video otherwise, thank you.
eBay special-centric part 417.62020
Less then $10. Hope that helps and thanks checking us out too. Good luck on your repair.
@@VinylVillageGarage Thank you for the information, greatly appreciated.
No prob
So when I install my rear disc brakes on my 1968 fierbird I will have to take off the bearing from the axel shaft to install the backing plates?
Answer the question it is yes and To remove the drum brake backing plate you will have to remove the axle. If it’s still the Pontiac ten bolt rear end you do not have to drain the fluid nor remove the diff cover so it’s actually not to bad to do.
@@VinylVillageGarage Thanks for getting back to me would like to see how to get the bearing off I have seen some videos and they are citing them off
You know what I made a mistake, you asked if you had remove the bearing to change backing plate. The answer is NO. I am very sorry about that. You have to remove the axle to complete the brake swap. My apologies
The bearing had a sleeve/retainer that is pressed on. It should also be pressed off too. Now if you are very good with a cut off wheel it could be cut off but pay special attention not to cut into the axle while doing so. I have some tricks to install without a press but not any good ones to remove it.
I kept asking myself where is the bearing?
Pontiac did it a little different, I think it makes pulling axles much easier and less messy for sure
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