MIDI GUITAR by Jam Origin - Play MIDI on Guitar WITHOUT a MIDI pickup
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- čas přidán 12. 07. 2024
- In this video I go over how to play MIDI on a guitar without having to use a MIDI pickup with the Midi Guitar App by Jam Origin. I demo how it sounds as well as give a walkthrough on how to use it. It's a really cool app and it works fantastic if you are interested in exploring the world of MIDI guitar.
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0:00 - Demo
0:39 - Intro to Midi Guitar
1:10 - Instruments/Sounds
4:00 - Input/Output & Tracking Settings
5:26 - Bends/Legato
6:13 - Saving Patches
6:59 - External Midi Controls
7:13 - Setting Velocity
8:05 - Sustain
8:29 - Transpose
8:53 - Guitar Signal
10:08 - Master FX & Settings
11:05 - Final Advice
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Thanks for checking out my MIDI Guitar video! I did another video where I played 20 theme songs on my guitar with a MIDI pickup. Check it out here: czcams.com/video/HpkashMAKcc/video.html
Great video Scott! I watched 5 or 6 other tutorials on this product, yours was the most informative. Thanks
Thanks! Glad it helped you out
Thanks, a very well thought out and informative video. This is a cool app.
Really good ,informative clip.Great information before ill buy it!!!`
Excellent tutorial, Scott! You have a very pleasant way of explaining these issues!I always wanted a midi guitar way back in the middle 90s, and Steinberg were very helpful - but my bank manager wasn't... I'm refitting my Yamaha electric guitar, and this is the software and interface I'll prbably go for, with an iRig and a farely recent iPad! Thanks again, my 74 years won't seem a day too long!
Thanks Michael! I appreciate it
Great stuff mate, thanks for this.
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Thanks 🙏🏼 picked up a few tips- I’ve been using this for a while but still missed some things, excellent presentation!
We’re spoiled as guitarists with iPads such amazing synths available at a steal. What are some of your favs?
Glad you liked the video! And for apps, I keep it super simple with SampleTank... I need to explore more! I had a bunch a while back, but I need to visit them again
Hi Scott. I commented on your other video yesterday and today and I subscribed . Its nice to see a fellow midi guitarist doing awesome guitar work. I sent a follow up comment/question today on your other Triple play video asking about the latency differences between the wireless TP with a Mac verses the iPad pro. I'm so hoping the latency is not greater with the iPad pro. I hope to do some cool things with it if it not slower in its data flow. On another topic, can you tell me if there is greater latency with the Jam Origin verses the Triple Play on the iPad? Thank you kindly for you time in reading this
Thank you for subscribing, and I'm glad you've found the videos helpful! I don't notice much of a difference in latency at all between the TP and Jam Origin. They both seem to work just fine. Just going off of being logical, my guess would be the TriplePlay works better because you get a pickup for each string. But I honestly haven't found any time when Jam Origin has messed up, even without needing an external pickup. Both are completely fine to use for sure. I do find my TP gets "stuck" on notes more often than the Jam Origin one does though.
I use this on my acoustic gigs w/ my 12-string. I use Sample Tank in the app and with the orchestra strings behind my 12-string, it sounds HUGE and beautiful! Tracking is great!
Yup! And they are coming out with version 3
@@ScottUhlMusic - No way! Shut up and take my money!!!!
Thanks for the video. Really informative. Question, playing live, could I place I-rig interface after the a/b box? I would like to run one path through my pedalboard into my amp, and the other path through the I-rig into the iPad
Yeah you can 🤘
nice video..opens up a new Sonic world....
Yup, midi guitar has been a whole new world for me. It’s great to have those extra options on my “main” instrument
Just amazing...
Was hunting for something like this precisely...
I have a Windows 10 running Ableton Intro License...
What are the limitations of the trial version of MIDI GUITAR 2...?
Secondly, is it wise to buy a Focusrite audio interface or Behringer for this usage?
Am a beginner for midi guitar...
Would a similar setup work for a mandolin instead of guitar?
I have both...And gonna try both for sure. Thanks in advance. Pune city, INDIA
In the trial version, it just cuts out every minute or so. And yes any audio interface will definitely be very useful. And I believe it will work with mandolin as well or any stringed instrument, but it might not be as accurate as the guitar. But I’ve never tried that actually. Cheers 👍
Wow that's incredible that you can do all that with no hardware. The only thing that makes me prefer the fishman triple play is that it can do different sounds for each string but is that worth more than twice the money
Yeah it’s nice that it has a pickup for each string for sure! I do like both, and it’s pretty amazing how well they both work 🤘
have the tracking of polyphonic maj and min 2nds intervals improved in the latest version?
Does the desktop have the 2.5 version as well as the mobile one?
I didn’t notice any problems when playing along to this app with any intervals. And the latest iPad version is 2.7.7, so I imagine the desktop version is up to date as well
Thanks great video.
How do you find jam origin midi guitar as compared to a dedicated midi pickup in terms of tracking etc
I have the Fishman triple play as well.... and I like both of them. I honestly don’t feel much of a difference when I switch between them. They are both great
@@ScottUhlMusic I have noticed while playing around with the trial version of the PC one that in some situations at least with my guitars it has some issues getting all notes to trigger. Like I'm doing finger plucked two note power chords (so root and fifth), and in some regions of the neck it struggles to pick up the fifth consistently. If I just do the fifth alone it picks it up really easily, very sensitive, but combined with the root at the same time it can struggle a bit.
I would expect that on a hexaphonic pickup like the Triple Play or the GK-3 it wouldn't have these issues, since both strings are listened to separately, instead of trying to figure them out from a mess of noise. Any experiences with issues like this?
its pretty good, although when using a piano, i noticed it played aload of bum notes i didn't even play.. i went for the jamstik midi guitar in the end.. but this is great start if you on a budget..
Yeah a guitar is not meant to play midi so you have to be really precise with how you play. Piano especially. But i still really like this app for sure!
@@ScottUhlMusic look out for the new Jammy Evo, its probs the most affordable midi guitar on the market.. and it was designed to play MIDI ..
Yup I’ve seen those. Really cool product for sure!
@@ScottUhlMusic i got my jam stik today, and honestly it performs no better than jam origin plug in, it plays aftertouch and bum notes... i wish i stuck with the plugin tbh.. everything is a lesson..cheers dude..
Do you know if you can play complex chords like altered dominants? Or is a midi pickup the only way to go with that kinda thing?
You can definitely play chords with this. I haven’t found any chord that it wasn’t able to play, but any pickup that has individual string pickups I would guess would be better at figuring out altered dominate chords. But this app is still really incredible and works well
Hey Scott, I have both Fishman triple play and MIDI Jam Origin. I cannot get my mind on which one to use live. They both have they pro and cons. Given that I will be mostly using chords (fast pace though), which one you would recomend for performing live?
Either one really should be fine. They both seem to have pros and cons as you mentioned. I haven't found that one is significantly better than the other one. They both seem to be good, but not perfect (which again, guitar MIDI wasn't designed to be perfect)
@@ScottUhlMusic thanks for your input!
Can I incorporate this app into my quad cortex pedal, if so, how? Thanks. QC has midi inputs as well as 1/4” & XLR inputs.
You would just have to route the audio in the way you wanted to. You could use a splitter to send to both an iPad running this app and quad cortex for example 👍
The keyboard and chord wheel are for seeing what notes you are playing on your guitar…
Pluck a note and the note key will illuminate
It’s more handy than having the tuner on the screen I find
Awesome, thanks for the comment and info 🤘
Thanks Scott. Can you use it to control keyboards on Garage Band ?
You can control anything that accepts general midi 👍
@@ScottUhlMusic yes indeed I found how to do it - fantastic piece of software - thanks for the video, :-)
Using the trial version I found there was too much latency even with the buffer set at the lowest value. Do you have that issue with this app? Any advice? Is the fishman any different as far as latency is concerned?
I do not have latency like you have. It could be the tablet you are using or somewhere in your chain. Fishman is great, and I gig with it often 👍
How can you use this to control a dedicated hardware guitar synth? Like the boss sy-1000? Or is it better to just skip that and just find other sound apps to create what you're looking for?
Also, how would you use this in conjunction with a regular pedalboard?
You could split your signal and go one to audio/pedal board and then one to iPad/computer for midi. I’ve never used the sy1000 so I’m not sure about that
@@ScottUhlMusic thanks
Have you tried to record midi with the Tripleplay? because i just bought the Tripleplay and it works well as a stand alone but when I open it through the FL Studio for recording it doesn't bend notes .. that's how I've found your video about the Jam Origin because without bending notes the Tripleplay just doesn't make sense
I haven’t tried recording midi with the triple play. But I’ve used it live and it worked pretty well. I haven’t used Jam Orgin live though
I think you understood the guitar section a bit wrong. I doubt the idea is to use it to split the signal. Many of the presets at least on the PC version include both the guitar and midi instrument sides simultaneously, using effects like the Deep Harmonic EQ or the Deep Expressor in the Guitar pipeline to create a sound that's already quite synth like for the guitar, then adding midi sounds on top of that. In the presets on PC there's for example the patch Deep Techno Fluty, which doesn't use midi at all, and only uses the Deep Expressor effect to create a synth like sound from just the guitar signal. Kinda like how the Electro-Harmonix Synth9 pedal and the Boss SY-line of pedals create synth like sounds without midi, just by processing the guitar signal.
One added benefit of this is that there's even less delay, since it doesn't have to perform any note identification, it's just modifying the input sound.
Hmm interesting! Thanks for commenting, I appreciate it!
Thanks for a very informative video - appreciate it. Do you know if there’s a way to play this in to a DAW like Ableton to record the midi data so I can edit it in my laptop?
Yeah you definitely should be able to with the desktop plugin of MIDI guitar. I just demoed it on the ipad
@@ScottUhlMusic excellent man - thank you very much.
Is it possible to write scores using midi guitar 2? thanks
Yeah you should be able to if your score app reads midi 👍
I’m being offered a GR50 & GK2 pickup for Studio Use ONLY -is it Obsolete Gear nowadays?
Not at all!
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does it have the ability to print the midi its playing.???
You could record this for sure into something like Logic or Ableton. Definitely 👍
Can you use it with an already recorded impulse response?
With MIDI? I’m not sure I understand the question
Are you doing this on Demo version?
Nope, full version 👍
I keep getting some random notes while i'm playing... And it is really anoying... Like, I don't play them, but they are added into the mix anyway, and the sound kind of turns into a mess... Do you have any advice on that?
Usually it’s from things like fret noise and the midi can’t figure out if it’s notes or noise so it translates it into notes. You definitely have to play a little differently when you play midi guitar. You have to play a lot “cleaner” for sure
I want to do this but with my guitar and garage band, is that possible?
You just have to get the routing into GarageBand right 👍
Very curious how this compares to Fishman tripleplay connect
I have both and they both work quite well. I would say they are pretty equal
@@ScottUhlMusic large difference in price though. Thanks for reply.
jamorigin requires a very powerful computer, which many people fail to mention. Unless u don't mind heavy latency
i have a rocksmith cable plugged from my guitar (i also have a prs 245!) into the computer. i cant get midi guitar 2 to recognize that im strumming.
There are many reasons why this isn’t working and there isn’t really a way for me to problem solve with just that info. Keep messing with settings and trial and error and change guitars and cables to see what works and what doesn’t. Best of luck!
@@ScottUhlMusic all i had to do was go to options on fl studio, audio, and select my input as rocksmith. very fast reply though, thanks
Can this transfer to midi signal like a midi controller?
This converts your guitar signal into midi, so you can send that midi signal into something like a midi controller or audio plug in to get sounds 👍
friend is compatible with kontakt 6 libraries
It’s compatible with anything that accepts a midi signal 👍
to use sampletank do i need a midi converter?
You can use this with SampleTank, or anything that accepts midi
Hi! How to jam with backing track with midi guitar on mediaplayer
You can jam along to anything with this 👍
@@ScottUhlMusic so mediaplayer stop work when asio4all is actived how to fix that plz!
Does it work with each Plugin within my DAW?
You use it just as a VST, and then it sends midi to whatever plugin you are trying to control via midi
@@ScottUhlMusic Great Thing! Thanks :-)
Every time I play a note on MG2 it doubles the note and plays 2 in fast succession. Any ideas?
That’s weird, some setting must have to be changed to fix that. I haven’t seen that before
I'm back after months if you guys are new to this the audio interface is an actual device you need to use to do this correctly.
How to select buffer size
I don’t believe you can, at least not on the iOS version
how did you get the preset choice
Preset choice?
@@ScottUhlMusic the preset button on the instrument panel just below jx10 am synth. I don't see that on mine and I have the latest version.
@@davidyoung8875 hmm, I honestly don't know!
its an great app but I cant play kick drum on it.I can play everything else like snare,tom etc but cant lay kick drum.
Why are you not able to play kick? If it’s because a kick is normally played as the C below the low E string (and snare is the D below the low E string) when converted to MIDI, try messing with the transposer. So if you set the transposer down an octave, when you play fret 3 on A string (note C), you should be able to trigger a kick. It just depends which app you are controlling. I guarantee there is a way to do it if that doesn’t work. You just have to mess with it.
@@ScottUhlMusic Thanks so much for the advice....Will try today and see if it works.
Tracking was terrible in my case
Mess with the settings, but guitar isn’t really meant to be super accurate for midi. It’s very tough to setup
I like the roland gr55 better than this
I want to try one. But I do love midi guitar
I would probably really like the GR-55 better than this too, but if we use the PC version as a standard, it costs like 150€, where the GR-55 without the GK-3 costs 750€...
I think this is a really good way to dip your toes into guitar midi stuff, and you can then start looking at the higher end solutions if you think you really want to follow that path. Especially since you can try this out for free on PC.