Why Storm’s End (House Baratheon) Was So Much Cooler In The Books
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- Did you know in the books Storm's End is a super cool looking castle? This short uses evidence from A Game of Thrones, A Clash of Kings, A Storm of Swords, A Feast for Crows, A Dance with Dragons and The Winds of Winter.
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I always found it strange how the whole Stormlands was just forgotten in the show after season 2.
The tyrells took control of storms end after stannis' defeat
The Lannisters kinda forgot about Storm's End
I guess D&D kinda forgot about the stormlands
@cjjk9142 No it could have been. It is never even mentioned for a few seconds
Well not much happened there after Stannis took over honestly
Those "super-fort" capitals are the main reason houses such as Lannisters and Starks survived for so many centuries
Boltons have burnt Winterfell twice in the past and Ramsay did so again
@@fel_zharost blame the firewood inside Winterfell. Twice it was the Red Kings and last it was by Ramsay
@@fel_zharostHighgarden itself was also sacked by the Martells before. I guess it and Winterfell are the least secure of the mega-castles.
@@nunyabiznes33 the castle that's impossible to take is the eyrie, you'll have to deal with so many problems crossing it، there are around 8 castles you need to take before even facing the eyrie, without Mya Stone's mules you'll never be able to reach the eyrie and then you'd have to take out the garrison
@@Al4___only from the west.
The eryie is pretty easy to take from the east.
That is attacking through the eastern part of the vale which doesnt have many mountains and consists of fields.
Stannis Baratheon could be guarding a kiddie pool and I still wouldn't be able to take it from him even if I had 100 men behind me.
Stannis of the King's Pool
He da mannis with the plannis is why.
Renly couldn't take it even with 200 men behind him.
So long as that pool isn't the Blackwater Rush
The chads holding Storm's end even though stannis left 🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿
Andrew Estermont?
@@rockmetalfan7885 yeah that's Stannis' 3rd cousin I think
Considering how in 8000 years of history literally no one has taken Storm’s End by force, I’m inclined to think it’s nearly impregnable
Give me 20 good men and shitty writers and ill take it in a jumpcut while joking about dicks
Dragon can prolly take it easily. It’s what happened to the most impregnable castle in a side story
No one has attacked it with ten good men and some climbing spikes, that's why
@@anweshchatterjee7595 Ser Twenty Goodmen wasn't alive back then surely
Its curtain walls are also enchanted, maybe that's got something to do with it
Well to be fair to the Lannistyrells, they don’t have a priestess to birth assassin shadow babies on command
The wall was 80' thick in some places. As a young castle it was re-modeled and improved several times after being damaged by storms, and is now literally hurricane proof. Turns out that hurricane-proof curtain walls also keep out storms of swords.
I have a bad feeling about that. Harrenhal was considered impregnable until dragons came. I feel George has intentionally built up it's reputation, in order to break them down in a spectacular end. That goes for Winter fell and the wall, which are said to be protected by powerful ancient spells. Most of these formidable monuments will fall by either Danny's, Euron's or white walkers' machinations.
Well any castle will fall by the might of the dragons. No castle can withstand a dragon. But against an army? Imma take casterly rock or storms end above all
There's a reason Harrenhal has been called Lord Harren's folly. Unlike Storm's End, it was built by a fool.
Connington and Aegon have already captured Storm's End from Stannis early in Winds, if their reports are to be believed. We don't see it, but in the sample chapters a POV character hears of it. Mace Tyrell is leading an army to Storm's End against Aegon.
The Golden company has already taken Storm's end under the command of Aegon Targareyn
@@michaelhenry3234Exactly
I would check that oh so dangerous coast near the base of the castle, for a secret passage or a support dock....
Davos got food to Stannis somehow.... there would need to be a way by sea, like a hidden cove.
There is, its how Davos got in. But it s been closed off. Davis couldn't get him and Melisandra through so she had the shadow baby there.
Most castles had at least one if not a number of sally ports. These doors are so much smaller that even a token force defending it can easily prevent a larger army from getting through the bottleneck. If the hallway is only 2 feet wide, attackers must come single file and it doesn’t take much to make the hall impassable to outsiders
I feel like a GOT Age of Empire game would be pretty badass
Bannerlord with realm of thrones mod
@@Dovahpeen it's pretty good but feels like it's missing a few features chief of which is the lack of the Iron Bank
Kinda similar but GOT conquest!!
I was happy to see it in the House of Dragons
Mace tyrell didn’t take storms end not because he couldn’t, but because he wasn’t extending his full efforts to stopping roberts rebellion. The tyrells were not effective supporters of house Targaryen during roberts rebellion on purpose, as they were looking to increase the power of their own house.
Nah thats a blatant fan theory
@@alfieingrouille1528 Its a pretty damn good theory.
If the Tyrell's really wanted to stop Robert then they would have just chased his forces after beating him at Ashford; instead they went to Storm's End and laid siege. Also, the Tyrell's had the largest army in westeros and Storm's End only had a small defense force; he COULD have just left a few thousand men to maintain the siege and sent he bulk of his forces after Robert, or to join the Rheaygars forces at the trident. THAT would have helped the Targaryans a lot more.
The Tyrell's actions only make sense if they weren't really serious about the war and just wanted to make it look like they cared
@@MonteCreationstrue. Their main excuse for not being present in those battles was that they were off sieging Storm's End. Their definition of "siege" was to simply sit outside and party. 🤣
@@alfieingrouille1528if you watch the history videos narrated by the actors, maragery confirms mace stayed in storms end because he saw the lannisters were backing robert and knew they were on the losing side
no mace is just a REALLY bad leader.
Except Aegon, 6th of his name and true king who just took the castle
All hail Young Griff!
Do We know if he took the castle and how ?
@@dawnheroes7574Dragons
Blackfyre
@Atmosphere- He doesn't have them, and there are only rumours he took the castle. The men probably betrayed Stannis and declared for Aegon after Jon Connigton convinced them.
Eyrie. You have to take 4 impregnable castles to reach eyrie, and you still have to take eyrie itself, which is stronghold sitting on the highest peak of vale. Only way to take it is waiting till everyone dies from starvation. You can't take highgarden, eyrie, winterfell, storm's end, harrenhal and casterly rock by using force.
I don’t know about all that. You can’t even stay at the Eyrie during winter. All the occupants have to move to the lower castles.
The castles going up to the Eyrie aren’t impregnable they’re just very inconvenient. The higher up you go the less impressive they become only the first two are actual castles the others are more like towers overlooking the passes up the mountain.
Plus half those castles listed at the bottom can be taken by force.
High garden is just a big castle nothing special about it.
We’ve literally seen Winterfell being taken by force.
Storms End could’ve been taken from Stannis during Robert’s Rebellion had Mace not been feasting and partying the whole time. They would’ve won and the garrison starved had Davos not smuggled them supplies. Plus sample chapters from Winds would suggest it’s already been captured by Faegon and Connington.
Harrenhal isn’t even worth trying to defend nor is it particularly viable.
Casterly rock is solid though.
@@jay-1800Valid
High garden was taken during season 7.
Winterfell was never taken
Eyrie was never taken
Not sure about storms end
@@VolkerDrach Winterfell was taken by theon. Stroms end is taken by connigton in the books. The eyrie is possible to take once you siege the castle for summer then the castle is inhabitable for winter and the eyrie would surrender themselves. Casterly rock is the goat of all castles in asoiaf. It has never been taken by siege or storm
@@agent_amir1498 winterfell didnt even have 10 men when winterfell was taken. Most of all were generally weaker soldiers. Casterly rock was taken by Tyrion (grey worm)
In the books, Jon Connington tells Arianne Martell that Young Griff(fAegon) took Storm’s End
You mean the sample chapters?
@@radioactivedetective6876 yes, or maybe Arianne overheard the messenger🤔
Mace Tyrell didn’t really try to take Storms End it was most likely a move that demonstrated house Tyrell’s loyalty to the Targaryens without really getting involved in the Rebellion, Storms End didn’t really have any strategic value, symbolic maybe but taking it wouldn’t change the course of the war, Stannis wasn’t going to get involved in any battles since he was ordered by Robert to hold the castle, luckily Stannis didn’t die during the siege otherwise Robert probably would’ve started a war with them, even if he didn’t like Stannis that’s still his brother. Once Ned Stark showed up the Tyrell’s gave up without a fight so the odds of it being a real siege were pretty slim
Robert and the Tyrell army did make battle thought notably in the only defeat of Robert baratheons army at the hands of Randall Tarly however it was indecisive Robert managed to evacuate what remained of his army..
Spiderman could conquer those high walls no problem
I think every great house has their own great castle, each with its own character. It's nice.
Some say that, before he died, Renly laid out plans to build a specifically shaped dome over the tower to make it look more imposing... or inviting to those coming down the King's Road.
The Ba Sing Se of Westeros.
That would be casterly rock
GRRM: "Walls 100 feet high and 40 feet thicc!"; "A rock 6 miles long and 2100 feet tall!"
Ok, so you can't cook AND you're not an engineer. Fair enough, George.
Great lesson man. Best one on CZcams
A fist...sure 😂
It lookd 100% like a fist lol
The Vale
Easily in the top 5 coolest fortress-castles in the series.
First, I was happy that in the final episode of House of the Dragon Storm's End was finally shown to us. Yet I was heavily disappointed that they decided to have it really be nothing more but literally one tower. It looked so terribly stupid and boring.
Its great hall was fine, as were the stormy weather conditions surrounding it.
Storms End is good but Casterly Rock and the Eyrie are much stronger.
It is definitely impressive.
It’s dope how when you become king you have kings landing and whatever castle your family holds
Your book update is not correct. Young Griff
Cortney Penrose was a badass. R.I.P.
Huh?
The way that HOTD portrayed Storms End is pretty accurate compared to other crap castles GOT showed.
This is why Storms end was built right compared to Harrenhal. Storms end was the right size for Stannis to leave 200 men to hold it meanwhile Harrenhal was too big needing a lot more soldiers to man the walls and turrets.
I love how every video on the castles of the main families always say they are 100% impregnable
Bro, every damn castle in Westeros is “impervious to siege”. Yeah, I know it’s fantasy, but George constantly goes on about his Historical influences, yeah man, every castle in England is impressive, but not every one is HUGE AND FORTIFIED TO THROW BACK EVEN THE LARGEST ARMIES
Can you do Winterfell?
So what house is the least impregnable ?! Storms end, the Erie, or Castleyrock????!!!!
Highgarden. Among those 3 mentioned, probably Casterly Rock, from the sea side (it have an opening in the cave large enough for ships to come in).
@@nunyabiznes33highgarden is pretty pregnable. It was taken by martells once and It'll probably be taken by euron as well. Eyrie is LITERALLY impregnable. Arryns have faced extinction risk more than any house, yet they are still around.
@@ottovonbismarck7742 that's what I said, Highgarden is the least impregnable of the great castles.
Eyrie is imho most impregnable by land force, assuming it don't freeze over during the winter.
Casterly Rock is the best overall castle. Can keep larger stores of supplies for long sieges. The Eyrie can’t sustain itself for long and isn’t habitable in Winter. Storm’s End would have fallen if Davos hadn’t been able to smuggle food in. Against dragons, Casterly Rock is the only one that can deal with dragon fire. Even Visenya thought Casterly Rock could withstand dragons.
Which of the 7 great houses had the easiest castle to take and why was it Pyke/Greyjoys???
Impregnated by Aegon & Jon Con. Say it with me now
BENEATH THE GOLD!!
yep Storm's End is Impenetrable but just get someone with some yellowish banners and I bet they'd get confused and open their banners. If only there was army with a bunch of those!
"Impregnatable"? Lol. Great typo
Obviously
we need to have a tv series about storm end
The Lannisters and Tyrells were not able to take it. Even through treachery 😂. Not everyone's vassals are so easy to bribe.
But it has been taken before, by the baratheons themselves from the durrandon king
I thought the kimg met the baratheon in battle in the stormlands itsself
With the help of dragons anything is possible.
They didnt take it by force though.
Orys defeated Argilac in the field. His daughter closed herself up in storm's end, but the lords in the castle handed her over to aegon and surrendered it.
He died in battle. Orys didn't take Storm's End, Argella was betrayed by her own men and they gave up.
@@Collin-to1oe because of the dragons.
Cool but where does everyone live within? Surely there’s not enough quarters for all the families who labor there. Only for the Baratheon family.
Didn't Jon Connington take it?
Only one tower feels really weird to me tbh. Why not have some at the gate at least?
But it was taken by the Golden Company 😊
Didn’t Loras take it?
Loras took Dragonstone.
Could some one here tell me what is a drum tower exactly?
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Really doubt Jon con and fAeogon took Storms End unless all the men inside starved and died already. Im thinking they plan on tricking the crown to send a host to storms end to seige the castle sonthey can move in on Kings landing.
almost every castle was "So Much Cooler in the Books"
10 good man and climbing spikes would be enough
I don't get how Bran the builder built all these cool places but Winterfell he barely tried not to say it's not formidable but next to the others it doesn't hold a candle to the wall, storms end and the Hightower
Impregnable by siege my ass. 1 Dragon is all I need😂
Ned : Stannis is A Good Commandahh!!
It can be taken, by guile.
So many of the castles in GOT are considered untakable, which is probably a nod at European history since most castles were never successfully taken by siegers
GRR creating a castle which isnt considered impregnable challenge (impossible)
It's also said the walls are protected by Ancient Magic which is why Melisandre has to have Davos has to take her under the Castle to give birth to the Demon Baby that kills Ser Courtnay Penrose. Had King Durrandon not foolish left his castle to meet the Targaryen Army his House might not have ended that day.
He would have faced the same fate as harren the black, and storms end would be a cursed ruin.
Stannis's action doesn't make sense in both show & books. He lost his army after the battle of blackwater & his next move is try to seize the north from the Boltons? The north hardly have much fighting men after the red wedding & it's already clear the northern house will never support a foreigner.
Sensible & rational move is for Stannis to go back to the Stormlands & try to raise an army there. Storm's end also provides a perfect shelter against any invasion.
Feels like every other one of these castles is supposedly insane, impregnable, impossible to besiege let alone capture--kinda loses the effect after a certain point.
Isn't storm's end for renly and dragon stone for stannis ?
Storm end harrenhal eyrie are impregnable, unless you have 3 grown dragons 😂
And magic.
Harrenhal’s entire shtick is that it’s half destroyed and so massive no one can reasonably hold it. It’s far from impregnable, it’s more like a white elephant that ruins any who try to hold it
It’s crazy that game of thrones copied chess’s rook design
Is there any castle in GoT that is not calles impregnable?
Nuclear reactor confirmed
Mace tyrell didn’t take it because he didn’t try. He just hung out out there for show.
I thought Mase chose not to. Would’ve been a terrible decision
Stannis the Mannis
Everything in the Books was much cooler.
The show made some better changes but I was disappointed at how much stuff Dumb & Dumber took out of the show.
Give me 10 good men
Yet Jon Connigton is planing to capture it.
Can you atleast do a snowstorm video? Like a video of Jon & Daenerys connection in the books I’m a huge snowstorm lover
He couldn't take the castle bcuz of stannis
He should have been a bit nicer to the prince of the realm
It's also a nuclear reactor.
Every other bloody castle in asoiaf is impregnable. Makes it a whole lot less impressive
Of course Storm's End is alot cooler in the books. So is Winterfell..The Vale..Casterly Rock..Dragonstone...
Hell, the entire story in general is just infinitely better in the books. That's almost always the way it goes with stories that have been taken from novels and adapted to be turned into movies or TV shows.
The books are always better. It's simply not possible for a movie or TV show to tell a story the way its told in a series of 800+, 900+, 1000+ page books. There are just too much information, too many bits and pieces of details that are important to the story universe, and the development of the story plot and its characters, as well as all of the inner dialogs of the characters themselves. It's just impossible to cram it all in to a movie or TV series in a way that would work.
I've been reading these books in particular since '98 or '99. And I strongly urge anyone who is interested in the story to read the books, and not go off of the TV show. The real story in the books is just so much better.
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The Vale of Arryn is probably the most impenetrable castle in Westoros. It has never been taken. Those who read the books would know why
I’ve read the books and in the books it is stated that the eyrie is inhabitable during winter. Which means laying an 8 month siege would bring the eyrie down. Casterly rock>>
@agent_amir1498
Hmm, I've read the books multiple times and I don't remember reading that.
In the video, he's talking about taking a castle, not a seige. It takes almost 2 days just to make it to the top of the Vale.
@@ericrenaud1733 Read the world of Ice and fire. Page 594 if u have the pdf of the book. Here is what martin says:
“the Eyrie has remained the seat of House Arryn in spring, summer, and autumn. In winter, ice and snow and howling winds make the ascent impossible, and the castle itself uninhabitable”
@agent_amir1498 no it wouldnt since game of thrones seasons do not work like real life seasons. Seasons in game of thrones last for YEARS!
@mappingshaman5280
No they don't lol. If thats true the characters on the show would have aged dramatically from season to season. They obviously don't.
Edit: Sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying. You're talking about the 4 seasons (summer, spring, fall, winter). Yes, they do last years.
I thought you meant years go by in between seasons of the show. So from season 1 to season 2, I thought you were saying multiple years pass in between them. My apologies.
They should develop a wall penetrating missile.
The Baratheons and like Russians of the real world😂😂 drink booze, fu*ck women, also cold looks at times like
No the russians of game thrones are the people of mossovy.
Gendrys house
Cregan Stark literally sees this and goes
"Yeah i can siege that"