Wow, this is the best sounding vst I've ever heard! I have the vsl CFX and my biggest complaint was the resonance/acoustics of their big stage. It just wasn't good for practicting as an amateur, as the reverb was too much and the sound was for a lack of a better word too "hollow" and cold in there, simply not intimate enough. With this one everything seems to have changed. Their b-stage has that perfect balance between enough room to let the sound breathe, but also being small emough to give the warmth/intimacy I need and to not muddle the sound. The fact that it sounds this good with only 2 mics speaks for itself and I'm glad, because the white noise that built up with multiple mics and damper pedalling was also something that ruined the immersion for me a bit. Is that actually better with the small room as well? Anyway, now the only things I could wish for would be better sympathetic resonance modelling and silent keys, that would make this the ultimate vst for practicing! Also, great showcase again, love your playing! Greetings from Germany^^
I also like the smaller recording stage used for the 280VC. You can get more ambient resonance by adding either the Decca or Surround mics or you can keep if dry with the close options. It's very versatile.
Totally agree...i think they need to sample their stairway and yamaha in stage b as well... That'll be a dream come true♥️ i saw it in every single forums that we need a warmer and maybe darker Steinway tone... I think if we all email them to do it (instead of arguing in forums) there's a chance for that... #d274_stage_b
I love videos of live play throughs of virtual instruments by musicians. Official demos, made by people who program midi controllers on the level of computer scientists don't tell me what I could actually make an instrument sound like. I have the Imperial and I love this 280VC and plan on saving for this one: maybe it's the smaller recording room, but this instrument has a clean and balanced tone, where notes in all the registers stand out, yet blend perfectly, like a Steinway, but has a warmer tone than a Steinway.
Tasteful review, Mr. Bello, thank you. Didn't know about the single note editing, very handy... Nice to hear this is the best piano VST for you at the moment.
Yeah, there are many more settings that can be used to customize the sound. For example, if the attack seems a little too aggressive (loud), you can lower the midi sensitivity to compensate for your controller or style of playing. In order to keep the review short I only focused on the adjustments that I made.
@@Comfort_One_Another I also noticed that the sounds are a bit loud, but that's not because of the volume. I noticed that it is because of the velocity, which is not right. When you press a key down without force until a note comes, you notice that the attack comes much louder than the other pianos from VSL. This can not be improved with the midi option or the volume option per key.If you try to do that, the sound gets much worse while the velocity barely changes where you need it to. It only changes for the option when you hit the keys harder, but not for playing very softly. Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
@@gogole1966 Thanks for the input. I should have mentioned that I have this setup for live playing through my Yamaha N1X speakers that tend to dampen the sound a bit. I could adjust the velocity curve through additional software if I wanted to bias the sound towards recording. The inherent velocity mapping that VSL has built into it seems to be good. However, they did provide an update to the velocity mapping on their Concert D not too long after that was originally introduced. I don't think that's a problem with the 280.
@@Comfort_One_Another I don't know if you have the concert d. I have it and when I compare it to the 280, the 280 is at least twice as loud on the soft touch. With the Concert D, the velocity is so well adjusted that you can almost produce a soundless tone. That's not even close with the 280. If you press the key down very slowly, a hard loud sound comes out at the end. Just as loud as when you set the midi level on the Concert D to 20.
@@Comfort_One_Another David I've been searching the internet I have an own a facility 278 which I really like. I was thinking about buying the new borsen dorfer 280 VC. I did manage to play a 7-ft model I liked it but I still liked my fazioli better would you say that they're comparable to 278 versus this new piano VC model? My email address is b o b l u l e k@gmail.com
The stage b is fabulous♥️ i wish they sample their Steinway d274 in there as well... The users talking about this in any forum... That we need a new vsl Steinway that sounds slightly warmer and richer than the original vsl concert d And i think the idea of sample that very piano in the stage b could end up being the finest piano library ever #d274_stage_b
i understand what you mean when you say its better suited to more powerful busy pieces. it does suit louder pieces quite well, its very rich and powerful its sounds amazing. but i think its lacking a touch in pianissimo pieces. its still a superb vst though. im debating between this one and the vsl imperial which would you recommend?
It's really hard to say. If I had to choose one I'd lean more towards the Imperial only because it's more distinctly "Bösendorfer" in its sound. I like the sparkle in the 280, but it's not as unique as the the Imperial.
Hi, Sorry for the delay. I don't believe so. The sympathetic resonance on VSL pianos is poorly implemented and not worth using in my opinion. You get a sympathetic "effect" with the multiply mic positions available.
Nice review. In case it's helpful, to pronounce the ö in Bösendorfer your voice says "ay" as in day but your mouth is shaped like an "O" like when you say "open". Also, the s that follows the ö is more of a soft "z" than an "s". Sort of like Boh-zendorfer but with a little extra "uh" thrown in.
Thank you for your great video and feedback, David! 💙
Thank you for giving us such wonderful options.
Thanks for your review, very, very tempting VI!
It seems like every time VSL puts something out my heart sinks because I know I'll have to explain to my wife why our bank balance got smaller. :-)
@@Comfort_One_Another I know what you feel, I know !!!
Wow, this is the best sounding vst I've ever heard! I have the vsl CFX and my biggest complaint was the resonance/acoustics of their big stage. It just wasn't good for practicting as an amateur, as the reverb was too much and the sound was for a lack of a better word too "hollow" and cold in there, simply not intimate enough. With this one everything seems to have changed. Their b-stage has that perfect balance between enough room to let the sound breathe, but also being small emough to give the warmth/intimacy I need and to not muddle the sound. The fact that it sounds this good with only 2 mics speaks for itself and I'm glad, because the white noise that built up with multiple mics and damper pedalling was also something that ruined the immersion for me a bit. Is that actually better with the small room as well?
Anyway, now the only things I could wish for would be better sympathetic resonance modelling and silent keys, that would make this the ultimate vst for practicing!
Also, great showcase again, love your playing! Greetings from Germany^^
I also like the smaller recording stage used for the 280VC. You can get more ambient resonance by adding either the Decca or Surround mics or you can keep if dry with the close options. It's very versatile.
Totally agree...i think they need to sample their stairway and yamaha in stage b as well... That'll be a dream come true♥️ i saw it in every single forums that we need a warmer and maybe darker Steinway tone... I think if we all email them to do it (instead of arguing in forums) there's a chance for that...
#d274_stage_b
I love videos of live play throughs of virtual instruments by musicians. Official demos, made by people who program midi controllers on the level of computer scientists don't tell me what I could actually make an instrument sound like. I have the Imperial and I love this 280VC and plan on saving for this one: maybe it's the smaller recording room, but this instrument has a clean and balanced tone, where notes in all the registers stand out, yet blend perfectly, like a Steinway, but has a warmer tone than a Steinway.
Thank you very much for your video!
I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Tasteful review, Mr. Bello, thank you. Didn't know about the single note editing, very handy... Nice to hear this is the best piano VST for you at the moment.
Yeah, there are many more settings that can be used to customize the sound. For example, if the attack seems a little too aggressive (loud), you can lower the midi sensitivity to compensate for your controller or style of playing. In order to keep the review short I only focused on the adjustments that I made.
@@Comfort_One_Another Very interesting, thank you for these!
@@Comfort_One_Another I also noticed that the sounds are a bit loud, but that's not because of the volume. I noticed that it is because of the velocity, which is not right. When you press a key down without force until a note comes, you notice that the attack comes much louder than the other pianos from VSL. This can not be improved with the midi option or the volume option per key.If you try to do that, the sound gets much worse while the velocity barely changes where you need it to. It only changes for the option when you hit the keys harder, but not for playing very softly.
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
@@gogole1966 Thanks for the input. I should have mentioned that I have this setup for live playing through my Yamaha N1X speakers that tend to dampen the sound a bit. I could adjust the velocity curve through additional software if I wanted to bias the sound towards recording. The inherent velocity mapping that VSL has built into it seems to be good. However, they did provide an update to the velocity mapping on their Concert D not too long after that was originally introduced. I don't think that's a problem with the 280.
@@Comfort_One_Another I don't know if you have the concert d. I have it and when I compare it to the 280, the 280 is at least twice as loud on the soft touch. With the Concert D, the velocity is so well adjusted that you can almost produce a soundless tone. That's not even close with the 280. If you press the key down very slowly, a hard loud sound comes out at the end. Just as loud as when you set the midi level on the Concert D to 20.
Amen brother, SO nice to hear you give a great review without blasting it at 100mph, and thank you for playing hymns! ✝
Thanks for the encouragement. God bless.
@@Comfort_One_Another David I've been searching the internet I have an own a facility 278 which I really like. I was thinking about buying the new borsen dorfer 280 VC. I did manage to play a 7-ft model I liked it but I still liked my fazioli better would you say that they're comparable to 278 versus this new piano VC model? My email address is b o b l u l e k@gmail.com
Best vsl piano by far♥️ great playing
I like the 280VC also, but I'm really enjoying their F308 Fazioli also.
The stage b is fabulous♥️ i wish they sample their Steinway d274 in there as well... The users talking about this in any forum... That we need a new vsl Steinway that sounds slightly warmer and richer than the original vsl concert d
And i think the idea of sample that very piano in the stage b could end up being the finest piano library ever
#d274_stage_b
I totally agree about the Steinway. Thanks for sharing.
i understand what you mean when you say its better suited to more powerful busy pieces. it does suit louder pieces quite well, its very rich and powerful its sounds amazing. but i think its lacking a touch in pianissimo pieces. its still a superb vst though. im debating between this one and the vsl imperial which would you recommend?
It's really hard to say. If I had to choose one I'd lean more towards the Imperial only because it's more distinctly "Bösendorfer" in its sound. I like the sparkle in the 280, but it's not as unique as the the Imperial.
I notice you had the sympathetic and body resonance settings at 0%. Do you have any videos where you include it? Thanks
Hi, Sorry for the delay. I don't believe so. The sympathetic resonance on VSL pianos is poorly implemented and not worth using in my opinion. You get a sympathetic "effect" with the multiply mic positions available.
Nice review. In case it's helpful, to pronounce the ö in Bösendorfer your voice says "ay" as in day but your mouth is shaped like an "O" like when you say "open". Also, the s that follows the ö is more of a soft "z" than an "s". Sort of like Boh-zendorfer but with a little extra "uh" thrown in.
Thanks.