How Kallen’s Relationship With Lelouch Evolves Throughout Code Geass
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- čas přidán 20. 12. 2020
- Kallen Kozuki has a very interesting relationship with Lelouch that has taken many forms. In this video, I discuss how it changes through the series.
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Brilliant analysis, she revered and venerated zero for his leadership and successes and grew to love Lelouch when she got an insight on who he really was
I think your overselling it but I appreciate the kind words
Well, yes and no. Kallen didn't even like Lelouch when they first met. Only when she discovered he was Zero did she finally start to warm up to him.
I feel like Kallen viewed Zero as this perfect figure that could do no wrong. Not just a human, but an ideal that represented what she was fighting for. But once Suzaku unmasked Zero as Lelouch, that illusion was broken. This is probably why she criticised Lelouch in season 2 more than she critiqued Zero in Season 1, she's recognizing him as a real person with flaws. Of course, this also leads to her having a more personal friendship with Lelouch sense she gets to talk to him when he's not using behind the mask of Zero, or pretending to be a lazy kid while at school.
I feel like part of why Kallen falls in love with Lelouch is her loyalty to Zero sort of "merging" with the more "human" connection that she develops with Lelouch in season 2. She remains equally dedicated but for a more emotionally driven reason.
@@heavydonkeykong5190 From my understanding, even after Kallen discovered that Zero and Lelouch were the same person, she still had some difficulty distinguishing between the two.
@@Elly3981 Your right. Kallen's finding out that Lelouch's complacency towards Brittania that he expressed as a student was just an act, so she's probably wondering just how much of his personality is a mask, which makes it difficult to determine how she truly feels about him (romance or otherwise).
I feel like she's initially in "denial", telling Lelouch that she's only loyal to Zero in an effort to separate them and rebuild the illusion, but by then it's too little too late. Suzaku broke the mask in front of her own eyes.
Kallen best girl
Sure if you girl try to kill you sure.
You’re goddamn right she is!
@@jlord9638 cap
Someone said Shirley loves Lelouch lamperouge. Kallen loves zero. And cc loves Lelouch vi britainia.
You right cc love real LELOUCH
Yes, that's a common belief that I do not fully support. If you pay close attention to each of the girls eventually show their love for the real Lelouch. Early on in the series, this statement is completely accurate.
@@MyMediaChops how would u describe Shirley loving the “real Lelouch” she never knew about zero and i only rewatch my favorite scenes and don’t recall anything about Shirley knowing his true intents? Did she know about nunnally?
That was me! Damn my word has been going around!
@@nidsalim7911 this has been around since 2008. I doubt it was you
I really love the character development surrounding the Lelouch/Kallen pairing. Zero was an illusion that Lelouch created to represent his ideals in a personified form. Seeing Kallen going from her dedication to the symbol like Lelouch was planning, to growing to appreciate the real person behind the mask was debatably my favorite character dynamic from the show.
I believe that due to learning Zero's identity, Kallen feelings for Zero becomes her feeling for Lelouch. Time Skip can also be the reason.
She reject's her felling for Lelouch and only after talking with Nunnaly that she accepted
Man, I love Kallen. How about we get an entire new timeline/season 3, where we get Lelouch with Kallen? I'll sign that petition lol.
Same
Same
Yeah that would be very nice
Fantastic analysis. I thought the last bit of Zero stabbing Lelouch perfectly hits the nail in the head.
Yeah. I'm sure Kallen also realized that Suzaku was Zero because she's faced him in combat many times and knows all his moves.
Anyone can be Zero as long as they fight for what he's intended to represent, but there is only one Lelouch, which makes him irreplaceable.
Omg I never noticed the zero killing lelouch thing and kallen making the choice of lelouch but now that you say it that makes sense.
you are not alone it took many re-watches to notice it myself. I am starting to think that every scene in the series is not there by accident. The creators put things in each scene for a reason. This comes from just showing Kallen crying as she sees Suzaku as Zero killing Lelouch.
She watched the symbol that she idolizes kill the person that she loves, but accepts it upon realizing that it was all according to Lelouch's plan.
@MyMediaChops Kallen put 2 & 2 together as soon as she saw Lelouche And "Zero". She says " So that's What they were up to". Even though she supported their action, it pained her seeing Lelouche's fate.
another underrated yt found, great vid
thank you so much I don't take those kind words for granted
@@MyMediaChops Maybe you should do a video about Kallen's relationship/rivalry with CC. Or one on Lelouch/Suzaku's relationship. Both are pretty complex too.
She loved both Lelouch and Zero. Or, to be more precise, she came to see the two of them as one and the same, because they were. This was her struggle throughout a good portion of Season 2, but she eventually came to recognize them as the same person. Technically, she never knew "Lelouch vi Britannia" until after she learned that he was Zero, and that was Lelouch's real self, but then learned more of his real past from Nunnully. It's "Lelouch Lamperouge", the spoiled, lazy, narcissistic, playboy that she didn't care for, but that was a false persona he put out to hide his "real" self. And, quit frankly, that's who Shirley was in love with; she never came to know the "real" Lelouch, despite learning his secret identity. And unlike with C.C., who was able to get into Lelouch's head and learn about him that way, Kallen's relationship and understanding of him developed naturally, which ranks it above his relationship with C.C. and make it more genuine and sincere. Lelouch also opens up to and trusts Kallen more than anyone else y choice whereas with C.C. he didn't really have a choice since she got into his head and they were bound by their contract, so she came to know him by default by discovering everything about him that way, but not even she understood him to the extent that Kallen did.
I always felt there was a bit of a love-hate relationship between Kallen and Suzaku. I'm probably reading far into their interactions but considering how often they spared and interacted there had to be at least a base level of respect for each other's skills in battle.
I can definetly see this from Suzaku's perspective. I am not sure if Kallen respected Suzaku. At the end of series she was really pissed at him. The banter between the two got pretty personal.
Kallen was conflicted about Suzaku since they are both japanese people who took a different path. Like Lelouch, she probably accuses him of selling his soul to Brittania.
Although, she acknowledges Suzaku as Zero after catching onto Lelouch and Suzaku's scheme, so I'm not sure if she necessarily liked Suzaku on a personal level, but maybe she had some respect for him.
@@heavydonkeykong5190 Even enemies can show respect. I'm sure Kallen respected Suzaku's skills in combat even though they were often on the opposite side of the battlefield.
Honestly first time through I thought it was going that direction
Great analysis! Everything makes so much sense now! Thank you for this video!
Love the rhyme: separately, identity, and captivity.
Great video👍, keep up the good work with your channel.
thank you so much I appreciate it. I have many more videos in the works.
I wouldnt want lelouch to be romantically involved with anyone, but if I had to choose, I would always choose Kallen. Shirley is too innocent and C.C is too wicked, so Kallen is imp the closest fit for lelouch, although its true that it would be out of character for lelouch to love anyone romantically.
Edit: Scratch that, Kallen wouldn't be "a better fit", but she would definitely be the best choice for Lelouch's sanity and well being, considering how cc is so far removed from humanity, and shirley is completely powerless to do anything, but Kallen cares for Lelouch, looks up to Lelouch, and still maintains her emotions.
She was always my preferred shipping for him, but admittedly, part of that could be that she is my second favorite character behind Lelouch.
But even apart from that, I just love the complexity of their comrade relationship and dynamic and how Kallen initially represents everyone who idolizes Zero, but then gets to know the person behind the illusion.
Sadly, I do agree that romance isn't the most likely outcome for Lelouch. He loves multiple people in very different ways, whether it be intimate relationships or surrogate brothers like with Suzaku, and of course his love for Nunnaly. But as the ending very clearly shows, he would rather sacrifice his own life to build a world for the people that he cares about to live in, rather than actually be with those people himself. Nunnaly is his reason to be alive, and he even leaves her behind in his death.
Lelouch values belief over love. So instead of prioritizing being with his loved ones, he instead puts those feelings aside for the sake of his goals, which he carries out for his loved ones' sake.
@@heavydonkeykong5190 i agree. Although I find it kinda funny that when lelouch died, we only get reactions from nunnally and kallen, and in the epilogue, cc is perfectly fine. Just chilling. Kinda shows how cc just has no emotions. XD
But hey, maybe I just dont like cc getting cuddly with lelouch because they dont have the same funny moments. The shower scene, bunny outfit scene. They dont have the purest moments either. The emperor escort scene, the almost kiss scene, the post-nunally death bonding scene. Lelouch and cc have great chemistry, sure, but their relationship doesnt have the heart and innocence that only kallen could bring.
@@cro-magnum7642 if we will talk about funny moments of course she will be sherly and if we will talk about the heart of course she will be sherly not kallen and lelouch had alot of emotional sences with Sherly not kallen so if we talk about this points of course she will be sherly, kallen hasn't no chance in this case
@@FR-dc6tz uuuuh every funny moment with shirley is just "whaaaa no i dont like him whatre u talkin about", but i agree that shirley has purer moments with lelouch. However, Kallen in a way understands lelouch a lot more than shirley, and remember when she yelled at lelouch to snap out of it? Yeah, she understands lelouch in a way that she has the ability to help him make better decisions. Shirley only influences lelouch whenever she's in trouble, but that still goes for all his other friends.
@@cro-magnum7642 your opinion about sherly is very wrong and if you will talk about who the best person that understand lelouch she will be always cc not kallen at all and after her was sherly he never opened up to kallen how she will understand him
thanks for making this i was very curious about who kallen loved if it was lelouch or zero that she loved.
you are welcome. I made this video because I originally thought that Kallen only loved Zero. Then after some conversations with people on Reddit, I realized there might e more to this. Eventually, this lead me to the realization that Kallen loved Lelouch not Zero at the end of the series.
It's a good indication of how differently characters can view Lelouch and Zero despite them being the same person. Zero represents Lelouch's beliefs bit the disguise does a lot to seperate the two of them as personal entities.
@@heavydonkeykong5190 i agree with you and it wasnt until the emd first season after kallen had found out that zero the man she admired and lelouch the guy who was her classmate were one in the same. By the second season lelouch wasnt worried to show kallen his face when he was being Zero.
@@wynn3602 Well considering that she already knew, there was no point for Lelouch to hide that he was Zero anymore. CC and Kallen were the only ones in the Black Knights to know his identity but if Kallen didn't discover it when Suzaku shot his helmet off, Lelouch would have never told her.
@@Elly3981 thats true if she wasnt there to try and protect him at the end of the first season from suzaku she would have never found out.
Great work dude. Please keep it up. I am subscribing right now
thanks for subscribing. I have plenty of more videos planned. My goal is to try to get out two videos a week. It's not easy when you work a full-time job. But I am using Milly's guts spell to get me through it :)
@@MyMediaChops
Wishing you GOOD LUCK😄😄
Video gave me nostalgia ..great vid🔥🔥🔥🔥
I am glad you enjoyed it. Hopefully it brought back great memories
I need a real-life Kallen...
I think it would be better to interpret the Refrain scene from how it translates from Japanese if you watch it in a sub. I remember in the sub Kallen says, “Can’t you think of another way to get her back?” in which ‘her’ would refer to Nunnally since this is the episode after Lelouch fails to capture Nunnally. This line translated this way also makes more sense from earlier in the episode when Kallen tries to call Lelouch after watching Nunnally’s announcement of the new SAZ of Japan. Some scenes translated like this sometimes makes me not trust how the Dub is translated if it doesn’t make that much sense. In the Dub, Kallen says, “ Can’t you think of another way to get it back?” It’s weird because she would be referring Nunnally as ‘it’ since she’s trying to encourage him to keeping going after failing the last mission and especially since he was about to take Refrain. I have other examples I could think of but this one stands out to me.
I just watched in sub and also says get it back not get her back. What are the other examples that came to mind?
@@MyMediaChops Another example is in Turn 9 R2 when Kallen day dreams of her refrain encounter with Lelouch. In dub she says, “I don’t know what was happening with him at that time.” In the sub she says, “I wasn’t sure what he was going to do at that time.” The dub implies she didn’t know why he was acting that way and the sub implies she was concerned about what he was going to do next since he wasn’t acting himself.
@@MyMediaChops Here’s a link to Kallen saying she in that scene. czcams.com/video/v6-Wxkxvk4w/video.html
@@MyMediaChops *her
@@mathsportsguy566 that's interesting which sub is correct then? My sub was from the Bandai dvds
It wasn't just "one of those" but the BEST one of those.
4:34
I mean even you admit he didn't technically lie. And the main reason she asked (because she clarified) was that she suspected that her loyalty, devotion (and love) was a result of his geass. He clarified it wasn't.
Kallen loved zero. And there is no zero without lelouch
This makes me sad🥲
oh? Love the analysis, great video.
I am glad you enjoyed the video, hope the upcoming videos won't dissapoint.
I think you should give this information
Kallen: " Lelouch, am i to u"
She asks lelouch not zero so i think she fall in love with lelouch
who good point she does start to refer Zero as Lelouch as the story progresses. That took place in Turn 19 and through her conversations with Nunnally she started to learn more about the real Lelouch.
Kallen the best!
Could you also do that for Cornelia and Guilford?
that's a really good idea. It might not be a long video since they are not main characters and thus do not get as much screen time but it's worth looking into.
I think it's telling that Guilford was willing to turn traitor purely because he thought Cornelia told him too. His dedication is not to the system, but to her.
@@heavydonkeykong5190 Of course. Gilford was obviously more in love with Cornelia herself than the system he was supposed to serve.
Interesante video, y entretenido
When will the new project be released?
Genesis Re; Code should be coming out soon. I have no idea about Z of the Recapture
Also what about in the Resurrection movie
are you gonna do a comparison with the movie?
what kind of comparison?
I already compared the anime to the films
9:59 can someone tell me which episode is this?
R2 Turn 10 is where Kallen is drinking something
@@MyMediaChops thanks lot bro sorry for late reply.
Lelouch kallen forever 👍❤️
Those times you say Lelouch humiliated Kallen I didn't see it that way. I thought Lelouch was checking her out and signaling he liked what he saw. Hehehe
yep you can see it both ways. I hope that was made clear in the video. After he insulted her in Turn 2 he covered her up.
Does Kallen love Lelouch? Duh! And or Hola!
All of you are wrong to believe that "Lelouch Vi Britania" is Lelouch true persona. Remember that Lelouch Vi Britania is the evil tyrant.
Zero is actually Lelouch true persona. The perfect representation of his ideals, goals and dreams.
I disagree - "The Demon" Emperor Lelouch [vi Britannia] was the evil tyrant. Likewise, Zero is the embodiment of Lelouch's ideals but even he is just another mask - an idea - that can be passed along and worn by others. And Lelouch didn't always agree with Zero's own actions - Lelouch hated he had to kill Euphemia but public perception made it seem like Zero had no problem with it.
Lelouch Vi Britannia alone, however, is his true self and the core that connects all of his other personas - Emperor Lelouch, Lelouch Lamperouge and Zero.
@@justoneguy2487 The whole point of Lelouch vs Charles sub-plot is that a person is complex and has many faces.
A "true self" doesnt exist. A person is the addition of his many masks.
@@avalle4493 You are right and I was wrong in that sense. Lelouch Vi Britannia isn't his true self but merely the original face - the core that all his other personas are connected to.
However, in that same sense you are still wrong as Zero is just another face - not the true persona.
@@justoneguy2487 Yep, we are both wrong.
Lelouch is a character so complex that is really hard to have a not-changing opinion of him.
What we believe today maybe will be diferent tomorrow😂
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The Resurrection movie might not be canon to the timeline, but unlike C.C and Shirley; Kallen relationship and her knowledge of Lelouch is pretty much the same as the main series. She broke down when she met Lelouch and refuses to call Suzaku "Zero" because at that point, she stopped seeing Zero as a symbol, instead she sees it as another alias for Lelouch. So it's pretty clear that she loves Lelouch, and not Zero.
Why do people always say C2 instead of C.C.
Because the show says it that way
You're right but, I watched the subbed version, and it was C.C. maybe they just wanted to abreviate it or something.
Well Kallen gonna have to settle for Shizuka like she should have
In my opinion, kallen might mistake her respects for zero as a love. What she love is Zero’s ability to make her desire become true not the person. She ready to sacrifice her life for zero is more like because with zero’s ability her dream will become true not because she love him.
Personally, I believe that Kallen was more in love with Zero, the brilliant and charismatic revolutionist, her ideal version of Lelouch. If she had not known that he and Zero were the same person, Kallen might not even have taken interest in Lelouch because she didn't even like him all that much before she found who he really was. She also placed Zero on a pedestal and revered him so much as a messiah that she forgot that he was also human who made mistakes, had flaws, and short-comings like everyone else. Such a persona would have been difficult to keep up indefinitely so Lelouch would have ended up disappointing Kallen in the long run if they did get seriously involved.
I would never forgive kallen for betraying lelouch just because she wanted to feel important.
Wasn't she the one who told lelouch to use them as he liked? To forget about nunnally and to become zero and command them as pawns.
But then she betrays lelouch at his lowest for doing the thing she told him to do.
Personally I find her a hypocrite and a attention hungry pawn