Problematic F1 Cars - 2009 Ferrari F60
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- In a new series where I go over some of F1 teams worst or most underperforming cars I figured I'd start with the first one that came to my mind, the 2009 Ferrari F60. The absolute pinnacle of automotive engineering and innovation. Or at least it could’ve been. Now if you’re already familiar or if you happened to be watching F1 back then, you might be a little confused. After all, it won races! Well, one race, but still.
Piloted by none other than 2007 champion Kimi Raikkonen with Filipe Massa by his side. It may go down as one of Ferraris worst ever cars.
Worst f1 cars. Best f1 cars. How are Red Bull so fast. Red Bull rb18 rb19. Cost cap. - Sport
At the time, some of us thought that Spa 2009 would be Kimi's final race win
In the last 8 races Räikkönen outscored every driver except Hamilton.
What a weird championship it was.
To be fair, Ferrari was so deep in the 2008 championship fight with Lewis and McLaren that they could not fully devote their resources early into the 2009 project. And because they ran with KERS that year it made it very difficult to implement a double diffuser into the F60. Considering the external factors they could not control, they did not have much a chance for 2009.
This isn't event bad compared to the notorious 2014 Ferrari F1. The car that can oversteer and understeer almost at the same time😂
Nah this is worse, at least point wise it is, if you apply nowadays' point system the 2009 season is the worst from 1983 to now, by far
the f14-t wasn't the greatest but
the 2014 F1 cars were all bad to drive with a significant cut to rear downforce and a large weight increase due to the hybrid system
and the oversteering and understeering was on a dusty track with poor grip
@@ozzyferzhh They scored podiums and even won a fucking race in 2009! They were nowhere near those results in 2014.
@@helljumpercs3765genuinely, every onboard I've seen of the F14T from Fernando and Kimi has some sort of god awful car balance, especially Kimi as it was counterintuitive to his driving style.
F14T or the FIAT
the 08-09 change in car appearance was so jarring, it looked like they had regressed a decade in technology.
They regressed probably even more than that in terms of aero. What a fucking joke.
>Season takes place on Ferrari's 80th anniversary
>Is called the F60
Enzo Ferrari is turning around in his grave
60th year in Formula 1...
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RB13 was a flop too. Jordan in 2000. All the Jags hahaha - Prost
good video. Would just add that they were in a mad development race till the last corner of the last gp the year before. The whole spy gate situation didnt help either. Also, if the whole Piquet crashgate had come out when it should (Bernie has since admitted he knew all along) then Timo Glock and his slicks would have been irrelevant.
Nice video really waiting for the next one!
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1:20 they also helped continue Ferrari’s dominance in 2003 with mid season tyre changes that effectively won them the championship
and even then Kimi only lost by 2 points, with one more DNF than Schumacher.
@@kHz33 with 2 more. One of them by a cooked engine while comfortably leading, another by carnage with help by Wreck-it-Ralf Schumacher himself.
So Ferrari cheated because the FIA stopped their opponents from cheating? makes alot of sense.
They did not simply change the tire rules on a whim to help Ferrari. The Michelin tires were not in compliance with the regulations. Had they been in compliance all year long, Ferrari and Michael would have won both championships more comfortably.
They didnt change the rules, they just caught Michelin cheating and enforced them.
@@everettmadsen4265Excuses, Michael still had several lackluster performances himself in that year that had nothing to do with tyres.
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For a first time great video
Hey! I am one of your first subscribers. Can you do the 2019 Williams car next. God it’s gonna be a long video
I believe that F60 was all that the evolution of the concept started around 2003 (iirc) could bring.
they could not squeeze any more bit of performance from that starting design and it could not be evolved to be enough competitive with the new regulations
It really does have that same tub doesnt it
Great vid man👍
Thanks!
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Aside from a lack.of refinement in the aerodynamics, a big problem with the F60 was the driveability of the car.
Unlike McLaren, the only other team to record a win (two in their case) with KERS, Ferrari mounted the Motor Generator Unit and Energy Store for the system under the fuel tank. On paper, this kept the heavy weight of the KERS equipment as low in the car as possible. But in reality, the car was unpredictable to drive as the centre of gravity varied depending in the fuel load. While Massa and Raikkonen could cope with the characteristics, as you'd expect from two high quality drivers, the awful injury for Massa in Hungary and the ban on in season testing led to the driveability issues coming to the fore.
Long time Ferrari test driver, Luca Badoer, after Michael Schumacher ruled himself out due to a neck injury, was drafted in for the following race in Valencia. What little onboard footage of him at the wheel of the F60 exists, shows how unprepared he was for stepping up with no chance to drive the car before Valencia. The result was in both Valencia and Spa, Badger had the unfortunate distinction of being the first Ferrari driver to qualify and finish last for races on pure pace. But even when he was replaced by the star driver from the Belgian Grand Prix, Giancarlo Fisichella, the third driver of the #3 Ferrari didn't qualify better than 14th for the rest of 2009 from Monza to Abu Dhabi
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1:48 well in 2007 they didn't win by a lot at least until McLaren was disqualified, Raikonnen won by 1 point over both the two mclaren drivers, mclaren lead the constructors but then due to some scandals McLaren the team ended up getting 0 points for the season.
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The car was noncompetitive because Ferrari had been used to test their developments on track which was mostly abolished by 2009, and their computer simulation technology was light years behind Red Bull's.
Is it a coincidence that the 2009 car began performing much better when Ferrari had to listen to Kimi when developing the car? Mid-Lipe was never built to be a champ
Great video, but 2010 car was "competitive" for only Fernando, i think he was in his prime that specific year.
Good point! Thanks for watching
Massa would have won in Hungary.
i'm more convinced 2012 is fernando's best performance. the 2012 ferrari was a lot more underwhelming and he still took the title fight to the last race like he did in 2010.
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They have still not recovered since 2009.
Great video for firt time
Damn massa hit that wall HARD. How did he not break his wrists too??? Look at how violently he hit while holding onto the wheel. I know he had MAJOR head trauma…. I’m assuming it knocked him out so he probably unconscious when he hit the wall…. And that probably saved his life TBH
He was awake. You can see skid marks behind the car.
Kimi won in that car. It's mental.
The video is dope
Nice description, the last one 😂
You know there are tags for that by the way, not that you should stop doing it
A poor car when it came to results, and was a catastrophic failure considering its championship-winning predecessors, the F2007 (WDC/WCC) and F2008 (WCC). The F60 could be seen as a stripped down F2008, equipped with KERS and adapted to the 2009 regulations. The car initially lacked any of the novelties that defined '09 season. Was this down to lack of imagination due to Ferrari being so heavily committed to developing the F2008 right until the final race of '08 season(?) The F60 was also subject of a relentless development campaign that saw many micro upgrades that allowed Massa and Raikkonen to get decent results, with the race win in Belgium being the highlight. The Ferrari F10 benefited from this development until it too was caught out by the novelties of 2010 season, and was left playing catch up to Red Bull.
Nevertheless, the Ferrari F60 has aged amazingly well. The clean, sleek and elegant lines of the car contrast heavily with the cars that followed. It is far and away the best looking Ferrari of the (09-16) 'skinny wing' era.
There was no wheelbase regulations in 2009 (or in any year up to 2022). If cars were shorter, it was for performance reasons. Also, Massa was hit by a spring, not a shock absorber.
Your description of Ferrari's changes in F60 conflates the changes forced by regulations with those decided by Ferrari. It was not Ferrari that decided to remove much of the center element from front wing, it was FIA. All cars were like that.
To my eyes one of the best looking Grand Prix cars of all time
how do you have only 49 subs imma make it 50. Nice Content ❤🔥
Didn't know that the F60 was faster than the 08 car, I thought the 2009 regs slowed down the cars, like 2022 regs.
A little feedback, maybe talk a little bit slower when you are talking about one thing for long. Otherwise I like what you are doing, good luck
No, the increase in mechanical grip from tyres and massive decrease in drag offset them. That said, the 2009-2016 aero rules were a fucking joke.
@@ventisette. hmmm interesting
Can you talk about the rb11?
Same, would love to have more insight on that car. Such a struggle year for redbull
Cars are problematic when they are slow but sexy
You said Ferrari won both 2007 championships by a lot. But Kimi won by 1 pt. and McLaren was DQ'd afterward. Is that wining by a lot? Great video nonetheless.
Technically they scored over double the points of 2nd in 2007, which was sauber
How ever you look at it they still got paid
I think the 2020 Ferrari would be interesting to look at. I have always wondered why it was so bad.
Mainly the underpowered engine and a mis calculation with the aerodynamics
They designed it to have the "totally legal" 2019 power levels (if not more) so put a boatload of Aero on it to just power through the drag that would create.
In the super secret deal, which wasnt that secret because it was obvious (have a shite engine for a year) they had a car with no power AND alot of drag.
and to top it off most of the tracks where it would have been half decent (monaco and Singapore especially) were cancelled due to covid.
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the no tyre change rule was stupid
you should do the 2009 McLaren
subbed ;)
Thank you!
The way Americans say "Ferrari" is so funny, "Fuhrawree"
2007 they won the drivers by 1 point and lost the constructors
Your comment there wasn’t correct otherwise great video
How about the 2009 McLaren?
A very poor car in it's own right.
Who forgot the BMW F109
Ferrari builds mediocre cars at best most of the time
One of the most Beautiful car though no
sorry felipe
Bro… please…
It’s called a front wing ffs
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Oh god you need to stop saying splitter
Speak slower.
Whatever you say bigfatcock