The WORST Handling F1 Car EVER?
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In 2014, Ferrari made a car that was UNDRIVEABLE. It’s been said a million times, that the F14T was the car that Understeered AND Oversteered at the same time!
So, I’ve been watching loads of onboards to figure out WHAT was wrong with it, and it brought about a strange realisation. Let me explain.
Look at this - it’s Alonso at Abu Dhabi and this car looks A HANDFUL. The car looks bad on traction, but then as he turns into the left - it understeers on the way in and then Fernando gets a LOAD of oversteer on the exit. And it’s a similar thing with the next corner.
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Still pisses me off that Ferrari had 2 of the best drivers of the 2000s in 2014 and gave them a car akin to something they'd make in their 90s era but worse
=BC OF FERRARI'S MANAGEMENS DIDNT SUCK ONLY BC OF HELP OF WHAT MSC BROUGHT
.......COME *ON* ,NANDO WAS ANY GOOD ONLY WITH CHEATIN BENETTON.....AND KIMI WASNT EVER FAST ENOUGH
and put the nail in the coffing for Alonso making him leave to McLaren Horror 😭
Same for McLaren lol...
That’s not fair to 90s cars
Yep... Really sucked
That was the definition of a tractor and a hovercraft combined
Tractors can steer...
kinda insane how Ferrari had one of the best driver pairings in history yet were so terrible.
@@MagnumLoadedTractorcan a hovercraft tractor steer
@@VinceGatling I think for crab walk steering it can't basic maneuvers yes it can
... a hovercraft full of eels!
And Alonso almost won with this thing in Hungary. His 2012 and 2014 seasons are some of the most impressive performances I have ever seen.
Kimi would have had a podium in Monaco if not for Chilton. Relax.
@@ciaronsmith4995 Your point being what exactly? Alonso had two podiums in the season. Furthermore, Räikkönen was absolutely destroyed in every metric across the season and was never even close to winning a race. Anyone who dominates a driver of Räikkönen's calibre like that obviously had an absolutely terrific year.
Nonsense. Raikkonen just joined that year and found the car undriveable - the car suited Alonso far more given the mass understeer on corner entry. Further, Kimi had a rookie race engineer who couldn't speak English (and was fired later). Alonso got lucky, plain and simple.
Try to get this through your thick skull: In cars that suit both, Kimi is obviously, and utterly faster as his ballistic stint at McLaren and Lotus showed. Watch F1 before you comment lad.@@whatisabercowich
@@ciaronsmith4995 The amount of excuses necessary to explain the difference in performance is insurmountable. Luck could explain one or two races, not the entirety of the season.
Ultimately, Räikkönen's stints at McLaren and Lotus show absolutely nothing. His teammate at Lotus was Grosjean, not exactly a top line driver. His teammates at McLaren were Coulthard, who was also not a top line driver, and Montoya, who had been flattered by some very good machinery. I'm sure Alonso would have performed very well in those cars as well.
It is also very convenient of you to ignore both of Räikkönen's stints at Ferrari. In the years following 2014, he was comfortably outperformed by Vettel. As a younger driver, he was also very similar in pace to Felipe Massa, who was also decidedly in Alonso's shadow.
There is no question that Räikkönen was a terrific GP driver. His peaks were very high, maybe even comparable to Alonso's, but his dips were much, much lower. Adaptability is a vital part of being a succesful GP driver.
It's not an excuse. It's a hard fact. A rudimentary analysis and basic understanding of driving styles would answer this for you, yet here you are flailing like a fish because you don't know anything about racing.When a car is so fundamentally unsuited to a driver's driving style, as was the case with Kimi, there is almost nothing you can do. It's luck of the draw, especially when you have a pullrod front suspension that makes it impossible to adjust the front end. Everyone and their mother knows there isn't a driver who is more dependent on a massively positive front end than Kimi Raikkonen. If you don't know this, shut down your computer and never ever watch Formula 1 again, your knowledge gap and the subsequent information asymmetry on display here is utterly shambolic. Get. Real. Son.@@whatisabercowich
Actually, Alonso was driving the F-14T like that on purpose (on the Abu Dhabi clip) he said so to the spanish media -he was having fun since it was his last race with Ferrari, and Practice 1 in Abu Dhabi does not really matter.
Bang on, and that is mentioned at the end of this video if you watch til the end
How Alonso was able to drive it is still beyond me.
Alonso is one of the most talented drivers ever, so of course he could make it almost work.
**The most undrivable Ferrari so far**
Hell nawwwwwwww 💀💀💀
Again, Alonso has been on record saying he prefers a neutral car. He adapts his driving style based on the characteristics of the car to extract the best lap time.
All drivers do, yet all have a prefered style and prefered car set up. Not a single driver in the history performaned 100% in all different car configurations / set ups
@@kevinprengemann7456not all do, look how garbage Ricciardo was when he was given a car that wasn’t specifically suiting his style
@@kevinprengemann7456that is not true, not everyone is capable of doing that and Alonso is known for being the best at it.
@@kevinprengemann7456 Looks like Checo Perez can´t.
Massa must have gotten a bit of satistaction in 2014. No wonder Williams beat Ferrari in the Constructors.
And Massa still finished behind Alonso in the standings with a better handling car and much stronger engine.
@@thatsawrap5235true but that is what happens when you have metal plates in your face
he has a bit satisfaction but now he wants the 2008 title which he drove in a ferrari
@@tobznoobsdoes he want the title or just compensation from the FIA for 2008?
Bottas owned him
Kimi and Ferrari's conversation would've gone something like this:
Kimi: It's terrible.
Ferrari: You can't say that. It's a Ferrari!
Kimi: It's a sh*tbox. All these facilities and you make a piece of crap like this.
I understood that reference.
“Rush” is such a good movie
Nah, too many words. It would just end with "it's terrible"
@@killdaire7589”what do you think of the car kimi”
“no”
props to kimi and alonso for driving that ferrari and still not crashing several times.Arguably this has to the one of the best season for fernando alonso for the way he drove and got the car in points near vettel( with probably 2nd best car) justbehind by 6 points .Kimi driving style did not matched the car but still he did great not as great as alonso.
And Alonso had to do it with engines past their expiration date the last third of the season since his "brand new" engine at Monza blew up!
@@thatsawrap5235 well makes me respect him more, under appreciated
Props to all the drivers on the grid of this season because all the cars had bad handling
@@kbk239no they didn’t. This was exclusive to the Ferraris. The rest were way easier to handle.
@@kbk239 🤡🤡🤣🤣🤡🤡🤣🤣
Pretty much every car that year had unstable rears on exists and sometimes on entry. The clips from Silverstone Village corners, Abu Dhabi sector 3, etc that showed their instability aren’t entirely exclusive to Ferrari. A couple of people also had the theory that the F14T had very bad balance at low speed due to the placement and the terrible mapping of the PU, but had much better balance and load than majority of the cars at higher speed. However those comments were quickly rampaged by those who believed otherwise. Such as the result of commenting in Alonso clips.
Completely agree. People really gloss over how weird behaving basically every 2014 car was.
yes but this is a ferrari so we all have to make fun of it and write stuff like "worst f1 car ever" for clickbaiting
@@mahinabbasi5268 many months ago i was curious and looked up mercedes pole laps that year, and sometimes they were very sketchy, even they had some understeer during the entry and oversteer on the exit. Weird cars for what was a weird era in f1
Hey Scott! One key factor you mentioned is that Ferrari tried to move the engine as forward as possible. A mass very close to the center of the car might be one of the causes for the car behavior due to the changes in the polar moment of inertia.
It is widely known that cars which have the bulk of the mass close to the center of the car between the axles handle better, but if you center it way too much, the car becomes critical and it is very very hard to handle because of how sensible it becomes to steering input. One good example of this was the Lancia Stratos, and other less extreme but yet well known is the Toyota MR2.
For whatever reason or design choice, this Ferrari had a tendency to understeer like you explained. But then the polar moment of inertia caused by the bulk of the car weight very close to the center could be the reason why it snapped into oversteer when the drivers tried to correct during a turn.
This is no explanation since I lack data, just an assumption which might be worth exploring by people with better knowledge than me.
Thanks for the history lesson, that lancia is fun on GT7😂
Kimi fans will tell you that car was designed to suit Alonso’s driving style and that’s why he battered Kimi so badly in qualifying and the race. They don’t know that but that’s what they tell themselves and like to tell everyone. Arrivebene even said this car didn’t suit Alonso either, pretty much calling that “cope” theory rubbish.
The F-14T seems to be like the F1 22 game in a nutshell, where you have the same issue.
Another thing I'd like to say is that this Ferrari had one of the better-sounding hybrid V6s I've heard.
I think its also worth investigating cars that finished 6th - 11th in the constructors that year and check the characteristics because from what I remember, many cars were hard to drive that year.
Not compared to this
Very reminiscent of the Woolworth shopping trollies, part of their downfall shoppers just couldn’t get to the checkouts in time.
What are you talking about?
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Scott speaks Arabic? 😉
@@CathodeRayNipplezdid u forget dubbing exists
@@legendtoni1094 Sarcasm toni, sarcasm.
@@CathodeRayNipplez i don't think you realize how sarcasm works
@@legendtoni1094 There's many things I do not understand. You even bothering is one of them.
As a Ferrari fan this car and the 2012 one simply are the greatest example to demonstrate how Alonso is the best driver of the post-1995 era. Hungary 2014 he managed to get a second place holding the 2 SECONDS per lap faster mercedes behind. Something out of this world.
Alonso just built different that man can drive anything 😄
Great to see you fixed the previously incorrect categorization from the previous video claiming Kimi likes understeer when he obviously doesn’t 👍🏻
5:44 Finally someone has said it. Cars cannot physically understeer and oversteer simultaneously but interchangeably. These are two driving characteristics that explain discrete situations in vehicle dynamics. However, just as you do, I understand their point.
Have you ever driven on ice? A car definitely can do both at the same time.
unless you drive on ice
Actually every time a car snaps from understeer to oversteer, it does both at the same for a short instance.
Doing both is just sliding 😛
If you grow up Go-karting they teach you this. Sure it's not as profound but you can understeer AND oversteer.@@davidaugustofc2574
Under-Over Steering or tactical zig zagging. Looks like your driving on ice.
whatever you give to alonso, he will adapt to the fastest way to drive it. Other drivers need the car to behave and be tuned on a specific way, alonso just needs it to be fast, and he will adapt to whatever the car needs.
0:17 It behaved as if it was under heavy rain with mediums.
Your passion is great! Wish I had someone like you to talk to
So many people say things online that are completely over exaggerated. You’re absolutely right.
Great analysis - amazing, what can be found only from the simple data - onboards.
Great editing. Hilarious and informative at the same time.
Nigel must be so proud of his son, Scott. What a great racing family!
1:45 for a sec i thought the song super max was gonna play lol
The RB19 at Singapore tho😅
Can you make a video about the W11 next?
you gave the answer at @2:28
they messed up the weight distribution of the car by making it too far forward. this caused the car to be leary and way too loose on corner entry, and it couldn't also put power down as effectively as a car with a more rearward weight bias, and made it oversteer out of corners.
That makes sense
What you said later on is actually what the Ferrari drivers have said about this year's car (SF-23) - it's unpredictable so they've dialled in a bit more understeer so that it's not undrivable
When your video started I was like "oh dear, hear we go" This is because you made a video a few months ago stating Kimi likes understeer. Now, it seems you have changed your view and suggest Kimi preferred oversteer, which was always evident and known
Singapore qualifying is happening right now! I'll come watch this later 😂
"DOH!" - Scott
after binge watching all of overdrive videos, can't believe it's the same Scott
Fascinating. Good job 👍
I like that this is a question when Perry McCarthy's Andrea Moda had the steering rack fall out of his hand at Eau Rouge because the team wanted him to crash and be injured because they were not allowed to replace him 🤣
Truly one of the cars of all time 💀💪🏼🔥...
Alonso is one of the greatest drivers Ferrari has had the pleasure to work with.
This is exactly what happened to RBR in Singapore this year.
Idubz reaction clip really caught me off guard 😅
We need a short shifting video!
You know a car is bad when even Kimi looks bad in the rankings
Anyone know where we can watch full onboards and qualifying from past seasons?
also if you watch any onboard from that time, all the drivers struggled with their cars in similar ways
I think you are overlooking a serious design flaw. The angle of the front upper and lower control arms (deviating from horizontal) means that every vertical suspension movement also pushes or pulls the tires laterally. Hit a bump or otherwise generate squat or dive, and the front tires are forced to scrub sideways, robbing available grip and sending the car darting one way or another, depending on which tire has the better grip at the moment.
If even Nando cannot make your car good, your car is done
Still can't belive they actually managed to podium this car
Eh, the Audi Quattro S2 was worse according to Röhrl. It understeered on entry, oversteered through the apex, then understeered on exit because the engine being that far forward made it stubborn to turn, but once it did, inertia kept rotating the car.
I wonder how fast michelle mouton would have been in F1.
Your meme game is incredible Scott
Please about the SF1000 next
I would love to enter your competition Mr Mansell but I can't pay the entry free (which I'm fine with but you've omitted that part here) because it says you need a Mastercard?
+ it's a sh1tbox
- no you cant say this
+ why?
- because its a Ferrari
+ no its a sh1tbox
Alonso didn't drive this car. The car itself drove Alonso's patience.
I remember Kimi complaining a lot about chronic understeer that year to Finnish TV
The car that both looked AND sounded like a vacuum cleaner lol
The car was decent relative to the field. I think a lot of people forget that the cars in 2014 behaved this way in general, with the understeer on entry and oversteer on exit. Only reason the Ferrari gets dissected is because its Ferrari and Kimi couldn't adapt.
Also because of the PU position which accentuated this issue on Ferrari.
It was way worse than the rest, not even close. But they had Alonso and Kimi, that saved their season. Every other car was way easier to handle.
@@ferst262 Alonso saved their season. Kimi mostly didn’t do anything
@@samsea0489 Kimi did more than enough, just because Alonso performed another one of his miracles doesn’t mean that Kimi did nothing
@@ferst262 l said mostly. I’m aware Kimi was decent in Monaco ,until that collision with Magnesseun into Mirabeau, and Belgian. And he did outqualify Alonso 3 times that season
5:53 well, Senna's / Hill's Williams FW16 understeer and oversteer at the same time...
why the thumbnail is Vettel in Fiorano with the F2012?
That Abu Dhabi was a practice session
all 2014 cars were like that LOL
I can't wait for the video of what happened to the redbulls in q2..
Thanks 👍
2:12 but the Williams, like the Caterham, also looked like "something else" but it was fast, and not quite .. bad looking dressed in Martini
Sounded like a dragon and went into sounding like a dyson vacuum cleaner
@Drive61... I think that it's often called, Ferrari F310
Regards
Looked bad
Drove bad
Sounded bad
What a machine
Understeered and oversteered at the same time? Sounds like that car I made in automation for beamng.
Your car chronically understeers
Your car chronically oversteers.
Why isn't the competition open for residents from Belgium? Is there an insurance issue or something else??
Sounds exactly like how GRID works
It is interesting that they got it so wrong. You would think in an era with full-scale wind tunnels, CFD, and bespoke physics simulators far more advanced than any "game", something like this would not be possible.
Why dont you make also a video of williams f1 team in 1998 season. It would be also interesting.
All I’m gonna say is for as bad as that car was Alonso still managed to get 2 podiums with it, something he couldn’t do with those 2015-2018 Mclarens…
Tbh the turbo v6 doesn't sound bad
stuff about bad guys is that they think they’re actually the good folks out there
“Enter to drive a Formula 1 car *Only if you have master card*” I’m not knocking this fantastic opportunity but to realise I couldn’t even be within a chance to drive one, was gutting.
Remember when they said the higher and narrower rear wing with the wider front would give more overtaking?..
....now they made the rear wing lower and wider to give more overtaking?
You can't overtake if you have a front wing taking up half the track width and a chassis taking up half the front staight.
I miss the bigger motors. They were sick...
Scuderia Ferrari CEO in 2014: "you know, we have a great history in the 60s"
SF Engineers: *proceeds to make a car that handles like 60s F1 car
RocketPoweredMohawk has an alternative answer to this question.
Mclaren MP4-29 had a massive PU advantage over Renault and Ferrari motorised teams, still finished 5th in the championship, make a video on that shitbox
Can you do a video on truck racing? 😊
Engine far forward, small sidepods, disastrous result. This all sounds familiar.
Fernando : I like understeer
Kimi : I like oversteer
James Allison : I can do both for you
Forti 1994, Tyrell Yamaha 1993, Lola BMS 1992.
Not related to the Ferrari, but the reddit comments about alonso's video:
Normally understeer and oversteer in entry and exit, you resolve the US first. The entry understeer reduces the speed too much, and when you apply the throttle, the low speed and high power looses the rear.
hey driver61 how old do you have to be to join the winfield racing school you dont have to respond just a question ive been pondering about for a while
I spent like an hour trying to guess where the ball is, and then I realize I can only pay with MasterCard.
Serious question here...at what point do you start to blame the steering and not the lack of speed into the corner etc.. if its too much to literally push you over the point of no return in terms of the apex but there must be a way to tell or explain. Hmm
didn't they have to unload the rear because their PU was weak, in an attempt to recover some straight line speed?
Also the roll centre is to high at the front suspension, Ferrari admitted this at the time
Pretty bad for a race car, but not quite as bad as the electric car (named Hammerhead Eagle i-Thrust) built by the UK Top Gear guys in 2010.
According to the motor magazine Autocar HQ that got to do a "consumer test" of it it had extreme under-steering when entering a corner without touching the brakes. If the driver applied some braking the front wheels would get a grip and the car would instantly go from under-steer to over-steer!
Imagine Gilles Villeneuve driving that car
Senna Could've Drove That Car With Ease
The car was bad for Ferrari standards but still Fernando Alonso, had the two only podium of the season (3e China, 2e Hungary) there were only three retirement's .And five times outside the points all by Kimi Raikkonen ,in the overal season result Ferrari did end as fourth in the constructor's championship with 216 points.
No wonder why it's also hard to control in Real Racing 3 😅
2:29 What is this??
_An F1 car for_ ANTS?!