How One Engineer's Idea Built The Perfect Rally Car
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- Every once in a while, a revolutionary gem comes along in the world of motorsport. In the world of 1980s rallying, this was the Audi Quattro.
The Audi Quattro changed the game leaving competitors such as Lancia behind. But what made it so special?
How One Engineer's Idea Built The Perfect Rally Car
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I remember an interview with Stig where they asked him about all the spectators standing on the roads. He said they had to consider them like trees, otherwise it would be impossible to race.
True, if you don't gaslight yourself to think they are trees you will hit them, hard
Group B was actually the easiest class to enter since only 200 homologation models were required. Entering was easy, winning was another story. The 86 Portuguese rally was not suspended, it continued, only without the main works teams who withdrew as a mark of respect of those who were killed. Rally Portugal was also Audi's last show in group B, not Corsica where Toivonen died. It also needs mentioning that before Audi ever entered a competitive rally, it was used as a course opening vehicle, that car with lights and siren that warns spectators that the stage will be hot soon; that car was driven by Hannu Mikkola, and at the end of the rally his time was some 24 minutes faster than the rally winner's. It has to be the only time in history when a course opening car would've won the rally had it entered it.
Amazing documentary! RIP to the drivers at the end :(
Thanks for watching!
some corrections:
0:50 There was a minimum Weight dependent on the dsiplacement(as it was comon knowledge that lighter is better(so lighter/smaller weigt/displacement classes were preverable))
1:10 not that sophispicated. they where fast because they where light and powerfull and had large Teams around to adapt the cars to conditions but they where not technically sophisticated(f1 of the time was in a different league)
9:55 The Body was Steel, The Roll Cage is Aluminium, Some Body parts are aluminium more where Composite
11:20 it was not the pinnacle (The pinnacle was what Peugeot, Lancia and Ford did) it was a try to make a fundamental uncompetitive Car competitive again
13:40 Audi Used Rear wheel Drive at Le Mans(no quattro)
14:00. its not a system its a marketing term (there are many different systems sold under the Quattro umbrella with almost nothing in common)
Sound like a rally hater
@@jordankelly4684 Not the OP. He's largely right. Although the quattro did use the carbon-kevlar body shells, the quattro did mostly use a steel body.
HOWEVER the quattro was the "rally" pinnacle at that time because literally everybody adopted's audi's system after the quattro but not everybodywas as successful. For example the Delta wasn't as successful (sadly only was around till group B died). What lancia attempted with their stratos was like fighting a technological masterpiece at that time (the quattro) with sheer brute force and driver skill. What OP seems to have forgotten that motorsport can have multiple pinnacles, and the quattro was its own in the sport AT THAT TIME. Making an uncompetitive car competitive again was just a useful side effect.
Also Rally cars were sophisticated at that time because Rally was the only sport to build cars almost as fast as WEC with the nimbleness of a drift car and the durability of a safari/dakar rally car to survive multiple sideways jumps and weatherproofing. Every other sport used carefully assembled vehicles that would seem delicate compared to a rally car, albeit being an odd comparison. WRC was as sophisticated as F1, just in a different sphere of technological development.
You'd have to be silly to assume WRC was "not that sophisticated" at that time.The technological development in rally was masterful. Just not as well marketed as F1 or Sports Car. Rally was the only sport to build cars almost as fast as WEC with the nimbleness of a drift car and the durability of a safari/dakar rally car to survive multiple sideways jumps and be weather proof. Every other sport used carefully assembled vehicles that would seem delicate compared to a rally car, albeit being an odd comparison. WRC was as sophisticated as F1 and WEC, just in a different sphere of technological development.
@@arjun._.bbC6 its not about opinion its about facts ===> groub b not sophisticated for a top level motor sport.
if you want to understand it look at the used technology and compare to what was standard in road cars at that time and other motor sports. If you want to blast stupidity into the internet feel free to do so but dont expect an answer.
@@harrie205
Nobody said anything about opinions??? This is a discussion on facts and facts alone. Which btw I did agree majorly with in case you missed.
and yet technology from group b spread to all other forms of Motorsport the same way tech from WSC and F1 did too. Motorsport shares tech, and subpar "unsophisticated" tech doesn't see much presence elsewhere. Pretty much all upper end hatchbacks and subcompacts made since group b have built on homologation standards developed during group b. I'm personally a bit WEC and F1 fan, but I'm not silly enough to discredit the contributions of group b and rally as a whole to automotive development. Also remember, although not directly related, but R18 etron quattro would never have come into existence had quattro not succeeded in group b.
I'm not expecting an answer from anybody, definitely not from somebody who's default approach is reluctance to discuss despite initiating a discussion. This is an open comments section and people are free to discuss as they wish. So you are free to leave this discussion to somebody far more cordial.
Yes, Group B was out of this world, and also out of control! Remember what happened to Henri Toiveren, mind you, that was partially due to the lack of Marshals. Those guys are the for the most part, volunteers, I know, because I was one once on the RAC Rally, back in the day.
This chanel needs more followers this is such high quality content. Hope for you to be one of the biggest car content channel 💪🏻
Damn how is the channel so small but the quality so high 🤔
I guess, it is the algorythm. If you don't upload every two days nowadays videos, setting hashtags, use a broadcast plan you only get high views with BS.
@@christianschmidt1207 yea could be but damn this dude will probs get a ton load of views soon
Fingers crossed! Thanks for watching :)
@@MotorLegends-storiesyou should make a video on the Mercedes clk gtr
Adding it to the list ✅
Damn I watched the full video and saw afterwards how small your channel is!
Awesome video!🤝🏽 Keep up the good work!🔥
Very kind words, thank you!
Another fantastic documentary, with a most exemplary narrative. Friends! I used to add Friends, 19:00 to the Tuesday listing of my uni' timetable in 1997. (Courteney Cox I admit). Then it got better with the FIA trick and all that. I wil guess without looking it up that a 5-cyl inline crankshaft would be 1-4-2-5-3 ??? It's an odd number so the firing order would have to be one-at-a-time, right?
Seizure in two weeks.
Amazing video man. Similiar to the channel called the squidd only shorter episodes which is not bad. Looking forward to seeing this channel grow and seeing more quality videos like this. Just don't quit.
The comparison to the squidd is very much appreciated! Thanks for watching :)
I really wish they would bring a group b style group back where manufactures would be able to do almost anything they want, but more restrictions on safety and preventing people from being so close to the track
A car can be as good as it can be, it still needs a skilled driver to win with it. I just watched Jeremy Clarcksons video about audi vs lancia (1982 or so), 4wheel drive vs 2 wheel drive. With drivers like walter rorl, lancia beat audi. Rorl said the Lancia fit like a glove and responded right to his wishes. Did the Audi do that too?
Did you ever drive an eighties Audi Quattro? When no, you don't know how good handling actually was at that time.
But they had to bend rules and do absolutely everything to be ahead. Audi was just a better car and it changed the industry forever.
@@mstar501 Compared to a Ford Sierra, a Merc 190, a BMW 3 & 5 (and many others) every Audi in the 80s had a handling like a big heavy truck, quattro or FWD. I actually have no idea where all this Audi hype comes from...
@@juppzmuda9725They got good results, but that doesnt mean the road going vehciles were great. Audi were pretty shit cars back in the 80s and even into the 90s, for various reasons, though electrical issues and premature rust were common issues. I dare say the race prepped vehicles were not entirely reflective of the road going vehicles.
@@PhilGreer100 True.
Even the rally spec ones weren't exactly handling wonders. I remember an interview with Walter Röhrl where he said that he has been shocked how badly they drove around corners when compared to his former Lancia 037.
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Roland Gumpert is still active trying to promote methanol fuel cell cars as an option for high range electrical vehicles. Just look for Gumpert Nathalie. Or look for the TopGear review of Hammond of the Gumpert Apollo landing on the top of the leader board. Gumpert still has his spirit 😊😊
*Laughing in Polish*
This car has been beaten by the Polonez 2000 once in the 80s.
How to get the Quattro S1 around bends; understeer, oversteer, understeer, oversteer!
Just out of curiosity: how much of this is ai generated?
No AI is used in the script, video editing or voice over. Thanks for watching!
Not AI but HEAVILY borrowed from Jeremy Clarkson's Audi vs Lancia.
@@MotorLegends-stories was it used in any other aspect?
@MotorLegends-stories can i have a response?
The best of best
will you also talk about JDM cars
i like the idea of this channel
They’re on the to-do list ✅
Rally racing is the best car racing there is, ( in my eyes )😊😊
Pro tip: Finnish words are stressed on the first sylabus, so its Mkola, Hkkinen , Sto, etc
The touring car was not the quattro, that was just the nickname because of the AWD, it is actually the audi v8
13:33 The Quattro system wasn’t “winning 13 times” at Le Mans, as those 5x R8 wins, 3x R10 TDI wins, the R15 TDI win and first R18 win appear to be with 2WD cars, and were already dominating at Le Mans. You can probably call those 3x R18 e-tron winners “quattro”, since the Hybrid Motor Generator Units were driving the front wheels.
Lancia is laughing its hats off.
Didnt its 2wd 037 defeat the audi in its home turf?
And the delta integrale practically blew the quatro into the oblivion...
Guess who’s still standing to this day though 😂
This channel is VERYYY similar to the SQUIDD.. In a good way
Love that channel, we’ll take this as a big compliment 👌🏽
@@MotorLegends-stories It is a compliment!
How do you only have 2.45k subscribers????
Haha, thanks! 🙏
Pietsch 😂😂
All hail the mighty Quattro
Ferdinand Peach
13:55 to be honest... the e-tron suv was always a Quattro... the only difference is the size of the front and rear motor, they all have dual motor AWD.
Just a small correction. Michele Mouton drove Audi at Pikes Peak and broke the record, not Walter Rohrl. Audi did that to help them lunch their cars in USA
Where did you hear that?
The correct answers are: despite all the penalties they put on her, Michele destroyed the record in an Audi S1 in 1985, the only woman to win and break the Pike s Peak record, then B Unser broke that record in 86 with a quattro S1 Evo, and in 87 Walter Rohrl broke the record again in another S1 Evo.
Last September Audi Club of America Honored Michele Mouton with a issue to celebrate her distinguished career for Audi and one of the best Women drivers Ever.
tell if im wrong but after the winning streak because Mitsubishi was broke but built the best car the Lancer Evo after the Lancer entered the lancer destroyed the quatro
Great Video.
Only a pitty you due so little respect to the individuals by pronouncing their names wrong.
It's pronounced Piëch (pronouned Piejech) and not Peach (that's a fruit)
Walter Röhrl with a silent (R), not Rorrel
Hannu Mikola (pronounced Miekola) not Mikoolla
Michèle Mouton (silent 'n' at the end), not Moeton
Lancia was best even whit 2wd
Well made documentary! I hope some car-reactors will use it, so you can have a subcriber-"boost" (STU-STu-Stu-stu) ;)
Haha! Thank you, and fingers crossed for sure
Audi remained the only 4WD car in the field in 1982 the Lancia 0.37 was the quickest way for Lancia to build the first true Group B Car much lighter and much simpler than the heavy and still complex Quattro They picked their rallies mainly those that favoured 2WD and avoided those that did not this was a time when only so many of the events counted towards your points total all the teams had to drop points at the end of the series thus they got to drops those points from their worst results.
Audi were still running what was a Group 4 cars they made changes to bring it up to Group B standards through 1982.
all the rest of major Factory teams were still running Group 4 cars rebranded under the Group B rules. all were 2WD still but all were scrambling to bring and develop new 4WD cars it would take until 1984 before the next Tech jump would come from Peugeot with its 205 T16 rally car . that would be the car to beat after 1984 until the tragic events of 1985 and 1986 banished Group B forever 4WD cars from Ford , Lancia and the Mini Metro filled up the numbers with a pile of other brands still developing their own 4WD Monster from the likes of Toyota , Nissan , Opel Porsche some of these would be later called Group S cars but that is revised history any good book on the subject will tell you these later cars were well in advanced development before the Group B ban came into effect.
Group S only came to the table as a way to keep these cars running in the WRC as teams like Peugeot had pumped a lot of money into there winning format and had no replacement car to turn too as did many of the big players like Ford and Porsche but it was not to be. ultimately It was Lancia whom the rule changes handed them massive advantage with a ready to rally car in the form of the Greatest rally car of all time the Lancia Delta HF Integrale a car that would win 6 WRC Championships it would take the Japanese to finally beat Lancia and thus start the run of cars from Japan that would make up most of the wins in the 90's all been 4WD.
Like anyone as a teenager in 1980 the Quattro was like something form another Planet. there was a Guy who owned one next to were may parent had there Shop in Audi White they were still very rare at that point in the UK.
I was lucky enough to see most of the Group B cars running in anger thanks to my location in the UK hosting several stages of the long gone Lombard RAC Rally so I saw the last two years of Group B so all the main players then the 205 T16 Evo . Metro 6R4 . Lancia Delta S4 the Audi Quattro Sports and the A4 and the Quattro S1 E1 Monster and the Ford RS200 Evo. with even many of the Local Petrol Stations and car parks been used as between Stage servicing points.
great memories of those late 80's rallies and even the return to Group A that followed.
thanks for the video.
Dropping the WRC knowledge! Thank you for watching :)
And wen Lancia made the S4 simply finish group B because was too powerfull to other ones! Even in WRC were "behind the scene" interests policy
If they didn't let spectators stand in the middle of the track. Maybe it would have lasted a little longer. Idiots...lol.
Not really got it’s ass kicked by 2wd cars in the dry
Ai picture
Peich is Pee aysh not peech.
Unbeatable? 😂
Audi is the most overrated car in Rallye EVER.
Quattro
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