The Forgotten Stretch when Michael Jordan played Point Guard
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Discover the forgotten stretch in Michael Jordan's career when he took on the role of Point Guard. Watch as we unveil the strong proof that MJ was not only a scoring machine, but also a master of passing and facilitating. Don't miss out on this rare insight into Jordan's versatile skills. Subscribe now for more exclusive content on the legendary MJ and his time as a Point Guard.
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I wish fans would actually study the game. Go back to Wilt and Russell. So many people don't realize MJ was a stone cold shooter too. 38.5% from 3 in his fist 3 peat. Hell, he still has a higher 3 pt playoff percentage than Bird, Kobe, and Lebron. Best shot blocking 2 guard ever, 3rd best rebounding 2 guard ever, the man did it all. And he did it in a time period where there were more great centers than any other time period, and you actually had to play defense to win.
Who are the other two guards that were better rebounders?
@william…
I’m terms if rpg #2 Jerry Sloan, #1 Tom Gola.
@@Nysdaddy Thanks.
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Lebron through 13 years in the playoffs averaged 33.2 percent on 3 pointers, this is the same as Jordan’s full career in the playoffs. Jordan took 446 3 pointers in his playoff career, 13 years in the playoffs lebron took over 670 more 3 pointers at the 13 year mark in the playoffs than jordan did and still maintained the same percentage. For those that don’t want to or cant do the math in their head this is equivalent to 1,116 3 pointers attempted in a 13 year playoff career. Clearly lebron is a better 3 point shooter. This argument is for those that would make the argument that jordan was a better 3 point shooter simply because lebron‘s 3 point percentage is lower in the playoffs. If you took the 2019-20 playoffs and 2021 playoff average he would’ve averaged 33.7 percent. His percentage dropped below Jordan’s however because in the 2023 playoffs he took 106 3 pointers but only made 28. Leaving his percentage .01 lower than Jordan’s while taking over 943 more 3 pointers in the playoffs for his full playoff career. For the majority of lebron’s career, he took more 3 pointers but also made more and did it at a better percentage than jordan did. Jordan is not a better 3 point shooter than lebron. He shot way less 3 pointers, and shot at a shortened 3 point line for 3 years. Try again.
Definition of a GOAT 💪🏿👊🏿👍🏿
Truly is
B@@TheNBAGoatBs
Imagine having prime AD in that year. MJ would have 20 assists per game.
40 per game
He can pass and shoot 3s well if he needed or wanted to. People who criticized those as his weaknesses actually don't know better or never really witness his career but instead simply looking at his overall stats.
Uneducated basketball fans...
Yeah that 28% from 3 was proof possitive he's the goat. Almost as impressive as when the league changed the rules for him to beat detroit.
@@andrewcook1246 no, otherwise Curry would be the GOAT and Steve Kerr might be in the conversation too. However going on a stretch of 626 games without ever losing more than 2 games in a row in the process winning 6 titles in 8 years does. That was also during the time when scoring in the league consistently went down even compared to the high scoring avg. of the 80s despite whatever rule change you might have in mind (which applied to everyone anyway).
Btw in his 1st threepeat Finals he avg. 42% from 3s, showing that when mattered the most, he still can shoot quite well from 3s even before the line was shortened.
@@paulusrumanouw3176 Except he didnt win in the 80s and only jordan was whining to the league for rule changes. I have multiple in mind. Plus lets be honest, if they shortened the 3pt line to accomodate bad shooters the internet and media would lose their shit and juat like the bubble or anhtbing else it would have a major asterisk. If theu gave bron flagrant 3's, or if they banned zones.
@@andrewcook1246Spoken like a true LBJTQ representative
Simply the GOAT!
The Bulls never had a classic point guard. They didn’t need one
People who compare Jordan with LeTravel have no brains.
you mean LeBrick .. low 30% outside of 5 feet for his career. oops
Best ever , true GOAT , REAL LEADER , MJ BLACK JESUS 🐐💯
This is just an example, that he could do EVERYTHING, and did. Collins system sucked, and Grant and Pippen were young, still and Chicago still went deep into the playoffs. Once Phil and Tex had a voice, teammates matured, the Bulls dominated. Guys like MJ, Bird, Magic, Kobe, could have averaged triple doubles, but they chose winning, instead.
Truth.
I watched his whole career. Any one that thinks MJ couldnt play PG is delusional. If he needed to be THAT guy, he wouldve been that guy. But they built around his other skills. He was a killer. He wanted to receive passes, not make them. But just getting his teammates into the game, you can see those passes are from the guy with the best vision on the court. Add in his legendary will, athleticism and talent, and you realize the doubters just cant extrapolate.
If was that guy he would've been that guy but he wasn't
@ber…
Instead he became the Goat playing SG.
@@Nysdaddy that's your opinion
And it’s right.
@@bernardwade8096He avg 5 ast while being an elite off-ball player in the triangle. Assist alone don't determine how good of passer/playmaker you are. In the 91-Finals Jordan avg 31ppg & 11ast. The most ast in the finals by anyone besides Magic Johnson
I bought my son the 1st Air Jordans because I had to be a part of Mike’s history!
✨#TheGOAT✨✨
The narrative that Jordan couldn't beat all time great teams such like the 86 Celtics, the 88 Lakers or the 89-90 pistons is insane. He was in years 1-5 of his career with avearge teammates.
They had to taste defeat and develop to push through. Nothing wrong with that at all.
Way below average teammates.
@@xtucs with Wade and Bosch?
Young heads now do not understand y “the old heads” don’t watch basketball now and bashing. Nope we ain’t bashing but there’s nothing happening we ain’t seen this man did and the fashion he did them, even his missed shots were excitements
If you don’t watch it. How do yall comment on it?
I agree with ya Randy. They just don’t understand.
@@ScoutsHonor. No Sir I still watch games now and then and familiar with the stars of today just saying none of the current will make me sit in front of a tv religiously and passed on social events for them simply not worth the time like it was with MJ
@@randychoi3637 because you were young, dude and nostalgia has taken over your brain. You stated even his missed shots were exciting. That’s wierdo fanboy stuff. All that tells me is that the media made you think Jordan was a god because it’s no other way a guy playing basketball can make you feel like that unless you were manipulated. Basketball has improved and people don’t like improvements. We still like when tv shows had grain in it and we have to use antennas to get the right connection.
@@ScoutsHonor. I was born in 77 so I am flattered you considered that young? Improvement? No one said anything about skills and athleticism not constantly improving and peaking (duh this a natural progression) but what you neglect to noticed is how the game is evolving guys are playing 1 side of the ball the league thinks sports is purely entertainment therefore defense is nonexistent just dudes running up and down the court shooting 3s or dribble the rock for 20 seconds before a desperate handoff for a desperate shot. Funny thing most stars from 80s and 90s cannot make the cut in todays game because they are slow and un-athletic so why are guys like Jokic and Luka both hella slow and un athletic dudes dominating the league right now? If you can’t even figure that one out then there’s nothing to speak of far as my basketball preference. To me sports supposed to be competitive if you don’t understand how soft this generation plays the game again this is on you not me. Anyone who watched basketball in 80s 90s and witnessed MJ in his prime would say guys are better now lmao?
It is really difficult to just leave us alone to let us relive MJ's greatness...
This is awesome!
This was my reaction when Lavar Ball said that Michael never played point...🤦🏽🤷🏽♂️🤦🏽🤷🏽♂️
Honestly, MJ should have stayed as a PG. He would have been the greatest PG ever; the best 2 way player ever offensive, monster and defensive nightmare and all that shit about him not being able to pass would have never been a thing. What would it be then? Oh.. the infamous 3 points, that he was a bad 3pt shooter, nah, he wasn't.
Anyway MJ is the GOAT. MJ WAS the NBA and he is the best player to ever grace the game. To me LB ain't a top 5 player, let's be real, he ain't better than Magic at PG and he can't hold a candle to Bird at the SF position. Then we still have Kareem, Russel, Duncan, Kobe and Shaq. So, if anything, LB is lucky to be in the top 10.
Please he’s the greatest player ever but not the greatest at everything… Magic, Isiah and other great point guards controlled the tempo and made incredible team plays… Jordan unbelievable scorer, in the post, attacking the rim and in the open court… Lebron should not be in this conversation!
BTW... MJ has a better 3 point % in the Playoffs than Kobe and LeBron.
And Bird, ironically.
I've always say to this day... MJ at PG, KOBE at G, and that'd be the best backcourt to possibly make in history. The 2 greatest Guard Defenders of all time? 6'7" KOBE 6'8" MJ? The ball handling and double team rotation needed? The 2 most ALPHA backcourt players of the last 5 decades? Yes please!!!
My all time starting five would be:
Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, and Hakeem Olajuwon.
MJ and Kobe can constantly switch between facilitator and shooter. KG can help the guards defend on the perimeter, and act as a point-forward if he needs to. Duncan and Olajuwon would be the most unstoppable defensive anchor duo imaginable.
Thank you for making this video. Some fools don't understand what an amazing passer Jordan was.... Yes better than Leflopper and it's not even close.
Just discovered this channel. Glad I did. Great content.
Jordan is constantly scanning the entire court out of his peripheral vision without moving his head. It's a tiger hunting. Magic did it, Jokic does it, only Jordan could call his own number and poster anyone though. GOAT.
The thing about comparisons between Jordan and Lebron. I know only one averaged 11 assists per game in a finals series. Hint: He played for the Bulls.
Great video! Keep your great videos coming!
Jordan didn't pass because he's the one getting passed to. He's the one getting assists for others.
WOW,what a stretch,he was getting a lot more boards at the point,cuz he wasn't known to be a great rebounder
This is just more evidence and fireproof I need for my goat debate for MJ🐐💪🏾💯
3:25... MJ with the ball runs past a really fast point guard. MJ's 40 time was recorded as 4.38-seconds.. superior athlete
Appart everything else, he is absolutely the best backcourt player ever.....in all three positions!
people who talk about MJ were not alive at that time, they were born yesterday.
You wont see this in the We Done with the 90s debates.
Had Jordan played the point his whole career, he could have possibly average a triple double for his career.
Dude AVERAGED triple doubles 😅😅😅
LBJ should not be anywhere close to the conversation.
people assumed he was simply a ball hog / selfish player. or he was conserving energy on defense. most people who believe this are jealous or simply never seen MJ play. he was a madman on both sides of the court.. MJ would shut down the opposing teams best player and drop 35+ on them ..Night in and night out.
There was nothing he couldn’t do at all star level.
You don't have to be PG to pass. The key has always been look for the open player or player with a better shot. Especially in his early career, JOrdan would take on two or three players when going to the rim. The difference between Magic, James and Jordan was court awareness. But it also known that Jordan took a while to trust his own team mates shooting the ball.
"Yeah but MJ played against plumbers"
Litterally, in that stretch only:
Bad Boys pistons (Isiah, Joe and all the band...)
LA Lakers (just casually Magic and Kareem, plus Norm and big game James for Good measure...)
Cavs (Mark Price, Larry Nance, Brad Daugherty HELL OF A TEAM)
Sonics twice (47 wins team)
Pacers (Reggie, Detlef and Rik)
Yeah, absolute plumbers.....
They call them plumbers because they just dont know. Lack of basketball knowledge. Simple.
96 Supersonics with Payton and Kemp was a very strong 64 season winning team, not 47.
@@paulusrumanouw3176he’s talking about that season
Sonics had Ellis, X-man, Mckey, McMillan, etc. Ellis was avg 27.5ppg on 50% & 47%3PT on 5 attempts in 89.
Plumbers and firemen were way better than players today who are youtubers and podcasters😂
Great podcast however some of the highlights don't match. The Triple-Double at Seattle was a road game. The highlights are from the Bulls Vs Sonics in November of 1989.
The stats are all correct. I went to look this up because I didn't remember or believed it. Jeezus
What was his record during 11 games
People will say what they want to say he might not be all of a passer well sure that pass he made to kerr and paxon made them won the championship.nevr choke or panick durin crucial moments.He made sure the play was executed.
When u are the Defense and u are worried about this guy scoring from basically any angle anywhere on the court that will open up most of the time one to two of ur guys cuz MJ would be doubled and tripled at times,so yea there's that?!😮
0:15 exactly. It was never his job to be the facilitator. MJ averages more offensive rebounds than Lebron. When on offense you or your team shoot the ball, you have 2 options. 1st, sprint back on defense, 2nd, go for the rebound. MJ was known to be ready on defense always. Still he rebounded the ball more than Lebron. He was the best all around player ever and there is nothing he could not do.
Now watch videos where Lebron gets asked to score.. in Miami he played every position so there are clips. Now! Remember that players get given roles by their coaches which influence their stats. Stop debating.. stop hating and jut enjoy the game for what it is
Thank u someone tell lebum stans if he decides to do what great all around players he could of did it but it wasn't required in his championship yrs with Phil and tex because the system playing off the ball
Not like it wasn’t needed he never proved he could win anything outside of a system bron plays in the bron system mike played in the triangle
Triangle what u think that is genius ball movement Mike been since as a rookie was a ball dominate take alot of shots turn over the ball westbrick slash James harden minus the three basketball 🏀 that why pip said before he got the team he was a horrible player he would of been ya king less ring uncoachable Stat player look at the game he played point guard in the 89 season
@@warreno.bryant4406 is what I try to tell this morons mike was losing those games he played point guard he wasn’t good at running an offense like magic or bron if u put mike at point especially in the 80s u will loose now in the 90s was a very weak era so he might have still won
This is why people are done with the 90’s. The years and years of Jordan delusion.. “MJ would avg 40 at age 50” “Jordan has the highest vertical leap ever recorded” “Modern NBA players wouldn’t last in the 90’s”.
Im 13 in 98 got tickets to a bulls nuggets game. Mj didnt play his stupid kid was sick 🤮 i will never forgive him i cried and cried
My memory may be off but isn't that the core players to the BULLS first title run??
Pretty much, but they were young, still maturing, and Collins offensive schemes sucked. Phil and Tex, got them over the hump.
@@chrisbrooks6756triangle wouldn't have made a difference at that point. Look at the 06 & 07 Lakers. Collins was put in a far more difficult position than Phil. Phil took over a Conf.Final team expected to win it all.
@@sideshowbobsaget8876 Nobody cares about anything you just said. The combination of players maturing, and an offense that moved the ball, happening at the same time, made the difference between making it far, and making it all the way. EVERYBODY(teammates, opponents, MJ himself) all say this to be true, but yeah, let's listen to some dipshit with a crystal ball that likes to play the "maybe, would have wouldn't have game". You're an idiot.
He was a decent passer but Magic Johnson had more highlights in one game, you had to piece this together for an entire career. Stop Mike Jocking
The problem with Michael Jordan is not that he lacked any ability it's that he chose to play a selfish style of basketball. That matters. Michael Jordan was criticized early in his career for being the league leading scorer. He was told that the league leading scorer would never win the championship. He wanted to prove that he could win the championship while being the league leading scorer. When he was switched to point guard he was better,and the team was better, but he got that coach FIRED because he was no longer leading the league in scoring. The next coach had to dust off a college offense from the 1950s just so that the other players would get to touch the ball. Sorry, but tie goes to the player who passes the ball, when that was the right basketball play, and didn't need a genius coach to win.
But when he won, he played a variety of ways too...passing in the 1st Finals, the 3-ball in the 2nd, putting up crazy points in the 3rd. Also, he still lead the league in scoring that year so not sure how that got the coach fired.
.... ALSO averaged more blocks, more steals AND more OFFENSIVE rebounds per game than LBJ - a 6'6'' shooting guard...
People who say MJ is the greatest, watched the games that MJ played.
People who say Lebron is the greatest, watch highlights on ESPN and have no one else to listen to apart from Stephen A Smith, etc.
Why is this never brought up? Because the powers that be, does not want this to come out."Oh I'm sorry ( Nick Wright, Shannon Sharpe, Gil, Isaiah, and others I can't even think of.) MJ scored ; because they needed him to. He still won six(6) 🏆 championships. Will some of these so called podcasts bring this part of his game up. ( Remember Florida Evans from good times, and I quote damn, damn, damn. Let's talk about this, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE!!!)
I've always thought MJ and Lebron could play like each other...Lebron could score more if he set his mind to it, and MJ could (and did) assist more if he needed to....it all comes down to which style was more successfully and that obviously goes to MJ......not a knock on Lebron but he's boring to watch (almost like Tim Duncan...fantastic player/scorer, but boring to watch)...MJ (like Magic/Bird) was exciting to watch AND won
Actually Jordan's style wasn't more successful. He just played worse competition
@@sportstalkonly1442 whatever you need to tell yourself 🙄
@@sportstalkonly1442 typical LBJ fan talk without real evidence. MJ faced more 60+ winning team in his 6 finals runs than LBJ's 10 finals run, yet MJ still won more in less time!
@@paulusrumanouw3176 he won more facing worse competition. That doesn't make him a better player. If it's about wins lebron beat a 73 win team and that ends the discussion.
@paulusrumanouw3176 there are only 82 games in an NBA season every year unless there are unforeseen circumstances that causes the season to be shortened. The majority of teams that have been to the finals in the modern era have won 50 or 60 games. And there have only been two teams in nba history that have won 70 or more games. So jordan facing more 50 or 60 win teams or teams averaging a similar amount of wins shouldn’t be a surprise or a groundbreaking discovery. Teams aren’t breaking records every year. And excluding lockout seasons the 2021 bucks and the 95 rockets since the 80s every nba team that has won the nba championship has won 50 or more games. Plus this argument is only used so that Jordan’s competition doesn’t actually have to be broken down. Which makes this argument a logical fallacy.
JORDAN WAS A BETTER PASSER THAN LEBRON.......BUT A WAAAAAAY Better ALL around PLAYER.......
Mention LBJ,Bird was better as a point SF
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Best point guard ever? Really? We’re taking it there?
In those days players had to really earn those stats. Especially rebounding. It’s not like now that players look like they let each other score. It’s like I let u score and u let me score. It’s no effort in defense anymore. I can’t stand Adam Silver. He single handily ruined the NBA. He made the NBA so damn soft. And we know why that is too. He down with lgbtqabcdefg crew
Not better than magic, never
You started out lieing and bringing embarrassing Lebrick up.
Never mention anyone except Kobe like Mike said..
🛑Delusional MJ fans strike again… smh MJ is not the greatest point guard. Even MJ said with his mouth that Erving Magic Johnson is the greatest point guard and Isaiah lord Thomas was second… but MJ fans once again ignored MJ a they start with their wishful prayers and stats… wow lol✨✨✨🏀
Jordan lovers remind me of mailer's comment re: the Stones: it is not enough they produce at this moment the best rock music; fans insist they provide the best lyrics...which they don't ."
Jordan wasn't an elite passer/playmaker? Don't expose yourself
And just like westbrook and harden, nobody got to touch the ball on offense accept to shoot. There's a reason no coach ever wanted him at point. You can't win that way. I can't defend james because he plays the same (accept in miami) but when magic was at point he averaged 12 assists. But cooper also got 5, worthy and Scott 4. The ball was shared.
There was a lot of offense going around in those days too. Lol.
But I have to disagree with you.
In 1983-84, Magic averaged 13.1 apg and cooper 5.9apg. They were the only 2 players to average over 3 assists per game. The team overall averaged 29.9apg.
In 1988-89, MJ averaged 8.0apg. Vincent average 4.8, paxson 3.9, and pippen 3.5. 4 guys averaged 3.5apg that season. The team overall averaged 27.0apg.
So that shows you are not correct. The bulls shared the ball more than the lakers did even though MJ was playing point. It clearly shows that players other than MJ touched the ball.
Also cooper came off the bench that season. So there is a high chance that most of his assists came with magic off the floor.
@@justamessenger4577 well made argument. Nicely cherry picked season of magic.
But.
Why was jordan never put back at point?
Sam Vincent HATED playing with jordan because of the lack of ball sharing. He had played with a historically great passing team, and thought jordan incapable of such play.
Phil Jackson tried to take the ball out of his hands as much as possible to prop up other players confidence. It would never have happened without pippin taking the point forward spot.
@@seanmolloy2172
I didn’t cherry pick. I picked the season where cooper had career high assists. You cited seasons where magic had 12+ assists and copper had 5+. So I went by your criteria. The other seasons where cooper averaged 5+ were the same as that one.
The point still remains that the year MJ averaged 8.0apg, other players averaged 3+ apg as well, 3 of them and Hodges was at 2.8. Which is equivalent to what the lakers were doing. So it was not MJ getting all the assists. I showed you that other players touched the ball as well. Even when MJ was the PG, other players got 5+ assists in those games as well. Some got as many as 8 on the same day MJ had 10.
“Why was MJ not put back at point?”
Because Jackson took over the next season and didn’t want MJ to do so. As you said, they would not be able to win that way. But also the triangle wouldn’t work with MJ playing that way. I don’t disagree with you on that point. And even after that, MJ still averaged 5.5+apg for the next 4 seasons.
The funny part is MJ accepted the change
and won as a result. Lebron, however…
Anyway the main point I proved is that MJ was not the only bull in 1988-89 who got touches and spread the ball around just as much as the lakers did.
Not true. Put Jordan on the Lakers and they win more than 5 rings. A undeveloped team upset 2 teams better than then, and almost took out the bad boys who almost won it all the yr before. Put Jordan on the Pistons and it's more than 2 rings. Coach Smith said he thought Jordan should play PG
@@sideshowbobsaget8876 I don't think the lakers win 5 with jordan. Or at least not the same 5assuming he's a rookie in 79. Early in Jordan's career, Cap would have had issues with not getting the ball enough. One of them would have to be traded. I do think the pistons win more with him, the team was constructed differently. Though that team was predicated on ball sharing as well. Thomas has spoken of how his stat's going down helped the team win.
There’s nothing like a Jordan fan boy. Absolutely nothing. Lol
Ok enough man,I like MJ but now u are apparently delusional,he would never have been a better PG then Magic nor a host of others,yes I myself always thought he was a much better passer then given credit for,but it's not in his makeup because he was a scorer first and that mentality would have never changed because THAT he is the best at and I see what's being said,but that is just a massive assumption!!
😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
Ask a Jordan fan and they'll say he can walk on water better than Jesus if he wanted to xD.
Holy shit he played a whole 24 games as a PG?!
Well no but the closest to that claim was made by Larry Bird so I value his credibility more than you or anyone else who never play a single NBA game let alone face MJ.
@@paulusrumanouw3176 Larry: Calls MJ "God"
Also Larry: Sweeps God
Whats a God to a nonbeliever?
Edit: Larrys also on record saying players today are better. So theres that too
@@andrewcook1246 correction, the peak Championship winning caliber Celtics with Larry swept the under construction Bulls with newly acquired MJ. You understand basketball it's a team sport after all, not like tennis or boxing right?
Did Larry specifically went on record saying any of those today "better" players better than MJ?
@@paulusrumanouw3176 I know basketball is a team sport. Jordan fans don't.
@@andrewcook1246 do you? Ironically it was me who reminded you from your incorrect comments above. If now you know then good for you then, enjoy getting mad watching endless supply of MJ videos out there!
Except the Bulls went 13-11 in those 24 games MJ was padding his triple doubles. They were 34-24 before that and Doug Collins replaced Sam Vincent with MJ at the point thinking they'd do better. Wrong. Turned out great for MJ individually but bad for the team. Phil Jackson removed MJ from that role the following season when he took over as head coach.
But MJ ran point in his 1st Finals under Phil...and that's how he ended up averaging over 11 assists. He was actually leading Magic in assists until the very last game.
🗑️A point guard job is not a ball hogging, and punching 3 of his teammates for playing tough, his own super star coach says Scottie was the better overall player. MJ cheated the real point guard out of the Olympics because MJ don’t want anyone to shine but him… classic narcissist personality disorder 🛑the 🧢✨✨✨🏀
LOL, Michael was a shooting guard, not a point guard. Go look it up. I hate brainwashed people. FYI he's NOT the GOAT either. Basketball is a team sport, that means you need to be involved with the team, not one who has to have the ball.
Did you watch the video? Did you listen to anything? He was put at point for a stretch… no one said he is PG.
The point of basketball is to win championships. That’s why they play. Not for MVPs, not All-NBAs, not scoring titles, not runs of 10pt games… and not to merely share the ball. To.. win…
And that’s what happened. The Bulls won. Oh… MJ is the GOAT