I Hate Your Deck #47 Transformers || Optimus Prime v Megatron v Soundwave || Commander Gameplay mtg
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When the guy drew his whole library -1 shortly after he played gate lands. The enchantment that draws from gates entering is not a may. He killed himself there
He went to and realized it would force the draw. He instead plays a forest, several shocklands, and a command tower.
My favorite thing about this channel is how much you normalize proxying. I'm a firm believer that no one should be priced out of this amazing game, and even though that seems to be what WotC is doing these days, proxying with a supportive playgroup is a great way to keep your love of magic alive!
Agreed. It's kinda sad to see lots of people in my local community essentially go "if you cant afford to play the game then dont even bother playing" and I'm sure that's not just here. :(
That's why I always preach proxy before you buy, and also I will never down someone if they can't afford the game. Poor shaming someone is a worse kind of gate keeping and it's not fun.
To be fair, except in this case because the cards were not out yet, they typically own the cards they are proxying. They just have a lot of decks that share the same cards.
I agree with this but at the same time I do draw a line as a person who only builds deck from my bulk collection (power levels average of 6-7 across 24 decks).
If someone's proxied let's say more than 30% (roughly 20+ cards) of their nonland cards I will ask them not to play that deck.
@@rachaelb00th22 So nice of you to find new and creative ways to poor shame people
There should've been a five color legendary land commander that flips into cybertron. That would make a great commander. Tap: All artifact creatures you control get +1/+1 this turn, and you may pay wuberg and flip target artifact creature you control.
I think a Primus / Cybertron flip card or Unicron card could work really well for this, with them starting on the land sides (as ok artifact synergy lands) and a difficult flip condition that would flip them into powerful creatures. (for context Unicron is a giant planet transformer, and Primus is the tansformers god, and sometimes transformers into Cybertron itself)
@@Torterra890 that's what I was thinking. Can you imagine having two melding lands for this? Just to balance it.
Lynch, you made some really interesting decks that play very well with each other. This was a fun episode, but the best part of it was definitely the deck dynamics with each other
It was originally Autobots and Decepticons because they wanted one side to be cars and the other side was based around common household items like a tape recorder, a camera, or a pistol. Then they just threw in several recolors of a jet they had for good measure.
Affinity works with jeweled loytus, it is a classic trick of vintage with black lotus, you declare the card and place it on the stack, there the cost is decided and them when you have to pay you can crack the lotus as a mana ability
he sac'd his lotus before casting the card so therefore it wasnt on the field when the ability checks
"this isnt from the magic 30th?"
"its like the same kind almost" LMAOOOOO
Very fun game, lots of swings. Lynch is so great with the kids, I love how supportive and excited he is to see them growing up.
We had requests to see some other power levels from our patrons. We try to vary it up. But don’t worry there are more high power abd sometimes Cedh games coming in.
My current goal is to build a five-color Transformers deck using all fifteen of them. The commander is going to be either the new Jodah (arguably the best commander for this gameplay-wise) or Jared (for flavor purposes: Planeswalkers have Sparks, just like the Transformers themselves).
I'm considering building a Ramos transformers deck. Seemed fitting considering there's been a good few big dragon transformers that were important in the series
The prismatic Bridge might be awesome, getting them into play for free every upkeep is nice.
I'm sad that "floater" didn't get more laughs at the table. I'm 32 and poop will always be funny to me.
Um actually ... don't you first decide the spellcost and only after, sacrifice the jeweled lotus and effectively still reducing it by one from affinity?
yes, that's why on magic online when you cast with affinity allways click on it then pay costs, really usefull on pauper affinity to cast those thoughtcasts with stars
Artifact _creatures_ have affinity for artifacts.
Yes. Issac is wrong. He must be a newer player not used to affinity.
Actually you can do both, you can sac to add the mana to the mana pool and then cast your spell or announce the cast of the spell and then pay its cost. It's a matter of how you sequence your actions. The way they did it was right even if not the best option, Lynch announced the sacrifice of the Lotus before announcing the cast, so when he intends to cast his commander, it don't see the Lotus anymore.
Yes, but you can still choose to sac the lotus for the mana first. The process of actually casting the spell is the same in both cases, it's just that if you sac the lotus first, you're using the mana from your mana pool to pay, rather than using it from the lotus's mana ability directly. In other words it's not a technically incorrect/illegal play, it's just a suboptimal one
I think windfall is supposed to resolve before the mindcrank/ascension loop goes on the stack. It doesn't seem right that you would resolve half of the spell then start milling.
Actually before he cast Windfall everyone should have milled to Altar of Brood, to trigger first. Something we all missed. That happens all the time in kitchen table or LGS magic.
@@IHateYourDeck fair enough, i missed that too. I suppose its not hard when you get lost in the sauce :) I was just too focused on figuring out what was going on with the windfall lol. Always fun watching your videos
@@IHateYourDeck Yes, but mindcrank wasn't on the battlefield at the time of the mill, so the trigger didn't go infinite. Everyone should have drawn the amount of cards in Isaac's hand before resolving the other triggers.. Would be interesting to see if anyone is left after drawing all those cards!
For Altar of Brood to Trigger Mindcrank has to ETB. So I believe that it would see the mill from the Altar trigger. Wouldn't it?
@@IHateYourDeck Agreed, David got lost in the sauce when he casted windfall. Everyone was already dead when Mindcrank triggered Altar.
mama mia that isaac guy is lucky to have a cool and awesome friend like david that guy must really be awesome would love to meet him one day
I am happy you finally won! But it wasn't as satisfying for me because it wasn't your deck! Still happy for you and happy to see you on the show again as always!
WAIT a minute...
"Couple of Island Boys over here" HAHAHAHAHAHA!
I'm sorry, does no one give David kudos for that dad joke, "I'm nomad at that"?!? Hahaha!
13:40 ahhh teaching the next generation.
We learned this on Saturday afternoon with a bowl of cereal
Love this show! Great job as always! :D
That was awesome :) I like these guys :) AND I LOVE TRANSFORMERS
U cant resolve the Bloodchief Ascention triggers in the middle of windfall, u discard and then draw right after. (BA triggers go on the stack after drawing that many cards), meaning if someone draw more than what it had in their library the loose before Bloodchief Ascention triggers resolve.
I love the fact that Lynch is a Transformers fan. Transformers is my first love of an IP. All i want from the Brother's War set are the Transformers cards.
Only an hour long? That means that these decks hit hard!
well its EDITd to a HOUR....so yeah... the game prob went 2 hours.
@@breakingblackmagic7617 welllllllll, more like 4
@@kingdavidsavior9473 for some reason I thought that the videos ran longer usually. I haven't watched much as of late. Been working.
Hey Lynch, what printer/paper do you use to print your proxies? I know we don’t get crazy detail on the cards but your proxies always look pretty clean.
I have been waiting for Soundwave to be an MTG card for my entire life, and it has finally come to fruition! The Transformers TCG "box set" with Soundwave vs Blaster was super cool, but nothing compared to these cards actually being in the game that i've played since the early 90's! Epic game, and congrats to David on finally getting there... and with only 1 shot of uncle sky's sweet potato hot sauce!
I love how everyone at the table missed David's quality nomad dad joke
Yeah Master David is on the table 😄👍🏾 yeah , your personal servant , wish you the best draws and luck 😄🤴🏻🧎🏾♂️
Congrats on hosting first win. Was a fun game to watch. Beware entering the infinite might not come back.
I feel like there was a missed opportunity here to have the 4th deck be a [Grimlock, Dinobot Leader] deck...
Question (spoilers)
if David had less cards left in his deck then Isaac had cards in his hands wouldn't that mean that David looses before the blood chief/mindcrank gets online? (Because of windfalls)
That would be the case if Mindcrank entering didn't already trigger the Altar and start the infinite combo. Everyone was dead before Windfall was even played.
@@VirlymXD not really cause isaac only had one card in library
If the altar hadn't been out, it's possible that the windfall might have killed all of them at once.
Lynch and Sean would mill their decks while taking 2 for each card. Issac would mill one card and lose 2 life. Leaving the Windfall to finish off Issac with a chance of David milling himself at the same time.
That said it isn't likely because Issac was getting milled while also putting a bunch of lands onto the field.
I think you're right. I was trying to look this up and couldn't find much. However, from what I found, I think windfall technically has to finish resolving before any of the other triggers go on the stack. Though Issac probably had a smaller library than anyone else anyways, so it's unlikely to have killed anyone.
Doesn’t windfalls “draw cards equal to the greatest number of discarded cards” make it a tie since everyone either dies or draws from an empty library?
Issac kept a card I think he should of milled first. Depending on how the stack was. I'm not a judge, so I'm not 100%
" Soundwave superior. Autobots inferior"
- Soundwave
Dude my mom had to take me out of the theater when optimus prime died I was crying soo bad I broke my megatron toy after I got home...i was 7
I understand how you feel.
I appreciated the “no mad” pun.
Congrats David!!!!! Fun match to watch.
I have made decklists for 4 of the available commanders from the Transformer cards. Optimus, Megatron, Soundwave, and Ultra Magnus. Naya kaalia effects with artifact creatures is a lot of fun and I cant wait to get the cards so I can put the cards together. For all of these commanders I am so excited for these decks.
19:40
lol that was so freaking cute haha
50:50 , bolstering would go on stack (if it really would happen) then David's triggered effect would go on stack and David's would resolve first.
i think the best option for a five-color transformer commander has to be Unicron.
Lynch, why ya gotta steal David's thunder like that?! I wanna hear the victory speech!
Congratulations David!
The one thing they did not address is that they each have to draw a number of cards == to issacs current hand size(Silly high)
If anyone had less cards in their deck(Mainly David) They would lose the game before any of the triggers happened. David had played a ton of cards; It is possible he would have lost(Removing mind crank and other triggers from the stack before they happen)
Dang, yeah, that jeweled lotus turn w/ affinity was a mess.
awesome win for david, nice finishing move. very spicy
any episode were u use the double or triple damage deck
The best of how David won its if somehow someone prevent the damage or remove bloodchief ascension we would die to his own windfall. LOL
Wouldn't Optimus lose his +1/+1 counters whenmhe dies (because of the zone change)?
Yes he would/should
Yes, it does.
Would the mill have impacted the graveyard targets from the tempt copy?
Poor Issac... In 10 years he will watch this video again and just think "why god?! Why"
Congratulations on the win!!!
Sean's explanation of transformers was great😂
Hey guys, what life tracker app do you guy use? Love your content keep up the awesome work.
Carbon
i feel like lynch should play price for glory to turn off all instant speed spells at the cost of land destruction
I am not sure about the end, you have to resolve all the windfall before resolving the triggers, so maybe he would have lost by drawing if his library was smaller than Isaac's hand in which case, the triggers from bloodchief and mindcrank would not have resolved
Where can I get the Transformers catd?
Another awesome episode!! Let's go!!!
Jodah just needed a thoracle for the win. Dang.
I like Sean's demeanor
Not that it mattered, but affinity is "locked in" when the spell is declared, so sacrificing the jeweled lotus to cast Megatron around 27:00 wouldn't have lowered the affinity.
Someone has a deck list of Megatron deck? I want to build it in the same way Lynch does.
at 22:51 why did that one dude next to isac have to pay 3 when that growth spiral is worth two?
What life counter app do they use?
it is called carbon
Lynch. At 26m you did a casting wrong. The Lotus would be counted for the affinity due to the steps of casting a spell.
Does he not die from the guild summit he plays lands then try’s to draw and if he has All cards in hand besides one he try’s to draw more then 1 card and loses?
Because did he not play 2 gates?
if you're not immediately winning after casting enter the infinite, it has absolutely no place in the deck.
25:46 there was a misplay the lotus comes in without having to pay one because his artifacts have affinity.
First it’s only artifact creatures that are given affinity second you are wrong rhystic tax can’t be reduced
lol issac talking about winning boi drew a card when he should of milled that card and laid extra lands.
How can Soundwave’s ability cast spells during combat if Megatron is out?
Ooh, good point! It can't actually
Actually it just says "your opponents can't cast spells during combat", not specifically your combat
Congrats to David on finally getting a W
Sean could lived Teffi protection 😏
Shame Ultra Magnus wasn't the fourth deck played. I built this pod and it plays enjoyably.
Should have gotten someone to play a Grimlock deck, lol.
Oh, I'm gonna enjoy this one.... Artibots!... ROLL OUT!
Go Deceptercons! Artibots suck!
Soundwave? I already have an esper mill deck with Alela. Do I make another? Hmm. :)
13:20-14:00 How to piss off die-hard transformers fans in 40 seconds lol
wouldn't David come equally close to losing cause of Issac's grip from wind fall??
Affinity would have reduced the tax on jeweled lotus
It also would have counted for casting his commander since he could declare the casting w/ reduced cost then pay the mana.
The affinity only affects artifact creatures.
Golem only gives affinity to your artifact creatures so jeweled lotus wouldn't have it
Oh, so they died to mindcrank etb, not windfall XD
Optimus Prime v Megatron v Soundwave whats the 4th deck
The OG Jodah is the 4th (our graphics person made a mistake of putting the wrong image for Jodah for this graphic). I wish we had made a 4th transformers deck, but we didn't get one made in time before shooting this episode. But we wanted to still have fun and shoot this episode to drop to celebrate the release of Transformers. We picked what we thought was the best 3 to play, especially for the lore and flavor!
So, transformer is their species and I'm pretty sure they are all the same race but autobot and decepticon would be their clan or tribe name ???
Transformer is the earth given race name, cybertronian is the actual race name, autobot/decpticon are their faction or clan I suppose is also an acceptable word choice
I would have given you Optimus Prime Lynch if we had played and not rolled. Can tell by your intro how much Optimus Prime influenced you as a child.
I feel like they should have had Optimus and Ultra Magnus be Partner commanders which leaves out black. On the other side have Megatron and Soundwave be partners which would leave our green.
Megatron was a tank on cybertron before they crashed landed on earth and their forms where changed by teletron.
I found that Megatron plays best when he can flip and flip back from tank to robot and back. So in my deck, I have Runed Crown to give him deathtouch.
Controversial opinion, optimus and Megatron would have made great additions as 4 color commanders
Milling doesn't kill you. It's the following failure to draw that kills you, just for clarification. For example, say you were milled out. If you had the mana available and an instant like psychic spiral or Learn from the past in hand, you could save yourself before you draw.
I think there was no confusion here (David says that he can mill his friend, who would die when he tries to draw the next time). Maybe I see where you're going, since everyone should've milled when Mindcrank etb, and if David casts Windfall, he could die to his friend having a lot of cards in hand. But considering how many lands Isaac fetched during the game (and drew a lot too), I'm pretty confident that David would've had enough cards in his library to be alive and see his friend try to draw from an empty library.
Megatron is complicated, but I disagree you want robot mode first - I built my deck to kickstart him by sacking 2-mama wellsprings et al to fling trample at opponents' utility x/1 creatures, then he'll flip to robot mode before defenders can be declared
Wow, I’ve never seen a kid not know what the transformers are.
I think it was a bit of bad design to have megatron at 7 power and optimus at 8 butt since theyre supposed to be approximately evenly matched. Means optimus can always swing into megatron and lose nothing.
*Australian accent* Wombat Combat!
Sucks to suck 😢😅 David’s hilarious
David is my spirit animal
Once again.... I'm here for the 🔧 👕
Please try out Slicer, he is hilarious.
I feel sorry for issiac jeez they kept attacking him and the only time he got to do something he lost the game with it XD that sucks
Love the show, but is there a reason you do not line the version of the card up to what you are showing? It can be a little confusing referencing the cards with different arts.
Keep up the good shit!
Hi Rick!!!
Loved the game, but you have affected me by using the wrong "effect" in your comment :P
Why the fuck didnt they make Megatron into a equipment for his alt mode. There is guns in MtG.
It's not Bionicles but I'll take it