MANAGE EXPECTATIONS: Manor Lords Is A City Builder NOT A Total War Killer
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- čas přidán 16. 04. 2024
- We’ve had almost a week now of Manor Lords gameplay and discussions on videos, reddit threads and discords and there are plenty of people who love everything Slavic Magic is delivering with the game and cannot wait to try it out for themselves & naturally of course there are also loads of people who are put off by what they see, underwhelmed by the lack of some gameplay mechanics & features and are calling it all a little bit overhyped.
Over 2 million people have wishlisted it so there’s a lot riding on Manor Lords no doubt about it. In this video I want to talk about 2 important factors that a lot of people who are underwhelmed by what they've seen so far seem to be missing. This is an EARLY ACCESS game all made by ONE DEVELOPER. Today I want to talk about why those two key points are so important and how by understand the humble beginnings of the game & how far it's come, you may appreciate what Manor Lords does and it's future even more.
I really hope you enjoyed this video and found it informative. Drop a comment with any thoughts or questions & subscribe for more Manor Lords content, gameplay and news just like this! Thanks for watching!
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And right as I release this video, the main guy Greg (Slavic Magic) shares a few words about what the game is and isn't and how to manage expectations about future content. This is why I love this dev and this game. Check out the statement here: store.steampowered.com/news/app/1363080/view/5850813762792298449?l=english
7 years later, assuming pace is staying th esame
I can't agree more. I hate the whole hype culture today. Just let the game mature over the next months/years and just be happy about this game being developed in the first place.
all that blame falls at the feet at "content creators"
Goty 2024
Well the developer could have decided not to give everyone and their grandmothers early access keys.@@r.m2072
when is the next bullshittery?
LOL all the hype and the whole "total war killer" bs is youtubers fault. They make videos saying how this game is a total war killer and backpaddle saying how its not one LMAO.
Think about companies like Blizzard or Activision dealing with billion of dollars, thousands of employees... but this Manor Lords boy is a slap in the face of those companies. Look at what you can do when you take a game development seriously... Hopefully it will shaken the gaming industry.... Nobody seems to realize that this game is a mini revolution...
Palworld and Helldivers 2 have showed us it’s possible already this year and I hope to see Manor Lords join this discussion as well especially since it’s a solo developer.
That's because there's a point at which expansion of the company starts tacking on more and more extraneous positions that are not about the game-making. It's like schools and hospitals having tons of administrator roles and less doctors and teachers. At some point you just get to having administrators administrating administrators, or PR teams giving a British comedian a free Egyptian vacation for PR for your dramatically overpriced and underwhelming Total War game, heh.
As a fan of Stronghold and Total War, this looks amazingly amazing.
The fact its done by one guy, unbelievable and he puts to shame entire studios. He deserves to become a millionaire just for his dedication.
its NOT only made by one guy. Its a disrespect to all the freelancers and other people that have helpd with making the game.
@@Rex1987 does he employ them or no?
It looks like Stronghold and Total War mashed together and brought into the next generation. I bet when the AI is introduced and diplomacy is added it will also have a lot of crusader kings in it.
@@Rex1987 first years (3 or 4 ) it was only 1 guy. Read the storyline ..
ive been waiting for manerlords for 3 years i was not expecting battles and we got it im very happy with what we have now and cant wait to see what it becomes
Expectations managed, a city builder with battles secondary is exactly what I want it to be.
Total war already killed itself lol
I mean when this game was announced back in like 2019 the game wasn't going to have combat. It was just mainly city building and I think the developer saw reception of people wanting the combat and so he implemented it which is why it took so long and will continue to take even more time as the game updates.
Manor lords is a type of game that has affected me in a personal level, even though the game is not finished, it has made me motivated to achieve mu best: it is unbelievable what a single person can do when they have a passion, this compared to soulless corporations.
So true... Think about companies like Blizzard or Activision dealing with billion of dollars, thousands of employees... but this Manor Lords boy is a slap in the face of those companies. Look at what you can do when you take a game development seriously... Hopefully it will shaken the gaming industry.... Nobody seems to realize that this game is a mini revolution...
I strongly recommend Schwerpunkt for correct criticism on the Medieval Art of War
Damn bot is everywhere.
Your opening monologue perfectly encapsulated exactly why I am buying this EA on principle.
THANK YOU!
Yeah, no kidding. "By buying this EA you're putting your faith in the hands of one guy" sure, I have WAY more faith in this random guy than CA and their next historical game attempt
@@profhobo8681 as it is the game as it is now is already good enough, so if there's more in the future that's awesome
I don't think many people claimed it was a Total War killer. As Total War veterans we claimed it would be a kick in the teeth to CA in which Manor Lords battles at under 1000 troops is more immersive than Total War games with the same number of troops. CA battles haven't progressed much in 10-15 years. This game proves it.
No matter what I am done with pre-ordering any game I will wait on this like any other game to see how how the post release goes, that being said looks fantastic which is I added to wish list I wanted people to see what 1 man (mainly) can achieve AAA studios take note!
The great thing about Steam is that one can refund preorders.
@@earlofdoncaster5018 this is too true but find the discounts that I can find elsewhere are not matched on steam which does not work for me, anyway I want to see the feedback from the launch before diving in I know times are tough for developers but think that pre-ordering actually sends the message they can release part finished games.
It's not a pre-order
@@CubeInspector in my early access is a preorder 😉
this is what ive been telling people. The battle just arent big enought o be a total war killer nor the map. But if both are expanded upon i could see it happening.
I’ll be honest from everything i’ve seen I would gladly buy this game even if it was a finished product as is. Knowing it will only get bigger is just an added bonus, really impressed with what Slavic magic has been able to accomplish
Good take here. People overhype things way too much these days. Not just with video game media but also tv, movies, etc.. I miss the days when you would hear about a game on pcgamer, gameinformer magazines, wait for said game, buy it, and make your own opinions based on your on experience.
This is early access done right, happy to support a game like this from a small developer to give them the cash to create more. Much better than throwing money at big companies who chop games up and sell us addons day one!
Thank you for posting this. So many Total War youtubers (you included, if I'm not mistaken) have been saying that this game is the one to finally put Creative Assembly on notice and provide some real competition to Total War. And I've just been over here confused as hell because it looks more like it falls in the same genre as Stronghold and Medieval Dynasty. It's a city builder. A very good looking city builder, with some cool-looking combat, but definitely not competing in the same market as CA and Paradox.
Yeah there was another post about this as well and 100% mate I take full responsibility for expressing my feelings a few years ago when I first found out about Manor Lords and thought it could be the game to dethrone Total War. I can admit I was wrong, and won't deny that assumption was a false one. I hope combat in Manor Lords evolves but I can absolutely appreciate it's not the primary focus of the gameplay experience.
@@TheTerminatorGaming sorry, that probably sounded way more accusatory than I wanted it to. I was just saying so to emphasize how widespread the impression seemed to be.
But I'm glad that the game gets to be appreciated for what it is now, and that you're helping set the record straight so people who might enjoy the game can find it a little easier.
Keep up the quality content!
People who hype up games for no reason, deserve to be disappointed.
i think the base foundation he has made here with this first early access version is a great base for expanding the game, since he has the bulk of the base game development done, he can now start focusing on patching, bugfixing and content! im gonna buy the game as soon as it drops and i bet that only in a few months to a year, the game will have alot more to offer
A Rome themed mod would go so hard for this game
Rome theme mod would be odd tbh. Rome and medieval Europe are so different in terms of how society was organized I'm not sure how it could do more than just reskin the units but I hope someone can eventually make it so people that want it can have it I just think it would be out if place
Now I believe those story’s about Bills great sence of humor
I hope after the release the creator would expand the dev team with more funding coming in
Game looks great and all, but glad someone finally said it, its a city builder much like "Caesar IV" of old or similar types, building a settlement, defending from attackers etc. Nothing wrong with that, but it is definitely not a TW killer. This could be a Stronghold type of game down the line though given more years to cook.
Excited to see what comes with this ip in the future.
Let's be honest, the only Total War killer is Total War, and it's doing a hell of a job.
This ☝️
Legend. 😂😂
Well said. A lot of gamers tend to build this image of what a game is going to be based on a few screenshots and clips. And when said game turns out to be something different, they lash out and all of a sudden it's the dev's fault for not giving them what they 'deserve'. Personally, I am/was in the camp that hoped the city building would be supportive to what would at its core be a grand strategy game. As it is now, it looks like it's the other way around, and there's nothing wrong with that.....
Even if this is what it is, it will be something that shakes up both the city builder genre (which has become quite stale if you ask me) and shows the (grand) strategy genre an alternative. At the very least this is a showcase or proof of concept for new directions to take city building and strategy gaming.
Well said. They act like they are entitled to everything and when their demands are not Met they turn real nasty
I'll be honest, even after playing the old playtest way back when like crazy, and falling in love with the game, I'm still blown away by what I'm seeing already. I definitely can't wait until I can get my hands on it again.
Quite honestly the thing never appealed to me and I am genuinely curious how everyone decided it was the next TW game as it basically is Strongholds in 3D.
Now having said that, I still want the project to have great success and the solo dev gets to reap the benefits of the hype and success.
09:00 “... I wanted to make this quick video here ...” Either outrageous understatement or incredibly pure talent. In any case, what I see here: 10 minutes of very well researched, balanced content covering all relevant aspects, which is also particularly eloquently formulated and very easy to digest thanks to your pleasant voice and style of presentation. One might think that your full-time job is a journalist, translator or something similar. And I haven't even considered the quality of your video's editing. Your posts always impress me. Keep it up and good luck in your future career.
About the game itself: Everything is said and done and I'm looking forward to early access like a little child on Christmas Eve.
Thank you!
@@TheTerminatorGaming Service without reward is punishment. George Herbert (1593-1633), English poet
It's so easy to forget what hard work goes into such videos with all the quickly produced garbage and Qlickbait that you find on this platform. Once again I take off my hat, good sir
2 years ago, I played the Demo of the game and I was instantly in love with it. And back then you couldnt do much. There wasnt even a save so once the game crashes (which it did alot) or you close the game, all the progress was gone... and still I loved it. My Hype for this game is unbroken since 2 years. And the combat looks cool as well! I'm really looking forward to getting my hands on that game
I'll probably wait until we can build actual walls and castles. But the game shows a lot of promise.
You’re gonna be waiting for a while man lmao this is Manor Lords not Castle Lords. By definition a castle, kingdom, walls, etc would not make sense.
@@R3DL3TT3RS6nah. It's on the roadmap of things to be added. Siege equipment, walls , calvary. There's alot still coming to the game.
Think this looks ACE!! Well done Slavic Magic.
I AM SO HYPED..
Haven't been looking to closley at things, did not know it was coming out in early acess.
Early acess has been abused some but this game looks like it worth the faith.
I never bought into the hype. What I have seen and read suggests that this game will hit EXACTLY what I am looking for. Early access will let us get to know the game and enjoy the experience. Over time it will get revisions and updates, which will add to its longevity. Couldn't be happier that he has made a city builder with some battles. The dev release has shown the distinction between bandits and invasions and so looking forward to that. This will be a game to go slow and savour in early plays. Looking forward to early release. Never thought of this as Total War and the more I see the more I like. The journey begins next Friday! I also hope that as this game grows and evolves, he will retain the ability to play early editions/versions.
I'll wait until a proper Dukely Access myself
I hate that it even gets mentioned with total war, they are almost completely different. It’s a real time city builder with limited 3D combat. Its focus is city building and management not combat. Like you said where the individual is the focus.
Total war is turn based empire building centered around combat, massive battles. Where the individual doesn’t matter.
People saying it’s like total war are doing the game a huge disservice. Sure it has 1 element that is kinda like Total war, kinda. If you could zoom all the way in on total war to the town level, the granular level, this is what you might imagine you would see. If you zoom all the way out in manor lord and go 100 years in the future you might get a total war like scene. When your little town has grown into an empire.
So excited for this game but I hope the people expecting total war do their research and if not and they are disappointed, don’t take your lack of knowledge out on the game.
Looks fantastic and reminds me of Ostriv if anyone’s played that. Glad someone is putting some actual pressure on Total War too. They need to figure it out
Not been this excited about a game in a long, long time.. I doubted this much would be ready and im so, so impressed!
yeah,this game is impressive,being developed by only 1 man,wow,but will never be a replacement for total war like some youtubers are implying ....it's just a city builder in medieval times
Good to recall actually. I caught my self almost gettin too hyped
This game has the potential to really have the legs to stick around for many years, either by DLC content or mods. There are just so much possibilities because of the insane detail and the world building on a relative small scale. Imagine dropping into a Shogun era Japanese map, or immerse yourself in ancient roman colonies. Or what about The Shire and its surrounding areas?
I've seen more than enough to know i'm buying it next week, and i can't wait to see what this game becomes in a few years.
People always judge things by what they wanted them to be, but not by what they are indeed. Manor Lords it's a incredible project, hope to see it at its prime
On my end i am definitely getting the game on release day as i like what i see and to support this indie developper. Even if i get 20 hours worth of gameplay i will be very happy!
I'm not a big-time fan of city builders however this one has me by the nuts. Can't wait.
For where the game is right know it looks like a lot of fun and can not wait to see how it improves.
Very nice review 👍 I personally, have a lot of excitement and beliveve totally in the developer.
I wait. Waiting for early access games, waiting for new games, waiting for any game to see if it is good or will be good (plus you will save money on sale) typically saves you from wasting money and having frustration.
Thats the thing though. Its not a "total war killer" but once its released. Gets good sales. And gets more developers and development the scale can also increase. From increasing map sizes , potentially being able to directly contend "off map" enemys by claiming all thr land within your starter area thus opening the map. Possible DLCS plus the roadmap he already has for the game past release. (Castle walls , calvary, siege engines. Potential mutiplayer.)
The Potential for this game is insane. Hell maybe even eventually a map creator like in strong hold. Being able to make a map perfectly suited to making a a nearly impenetrable fortress. By thr time it hits console itll be beautiful and im all for it
Much love to my slavic brother ❤️
Manage expectations is exactly what this video is not doing
Do you guys think that there will be a castle / defense mechanic? By that I mean ability to build gates , plalaside walls or even moats , spikes , reinforce your city etc..... Not at release ofc , but over time will it be added?
Yep eventually there will, once larger cities are in the game
@@TheTerminatorGamingdamn thanks for the reply. Also nice content there! Have a great day o7
What's the state of the optimization? Can we expect low fps currently? The game looks like it takes a pretty hefty rig to run at 60 fps. I've been checking out Farthest Frontier occasionally and it still apparently has fps problems as you get above 200 population.
Apparently optimisation is decent, my rig was just not good enough to handle the game and OBS recording at the same time. I do know that optimisation is a big priority for them so it will always be a focus
@@TheTerminatorGaming That sounds promising. And I didnt think your footage looked bad but looking back I think I accounted for the lower fps being due to recording. Anyways, the game looks fantastic and I'll definitely be buying this.
And even if battles are not as big as we would like from a total war perspective. This is something that could be arranged with mods if the game doesn’t have it yet or won’t. And I don’t think this would be a requirement, only an option. Like having different maps could be interesting and varied the gameplay even more, but the game is good even without those things. I can’t wait to see what this game will become in the future.
This reminds me of Knight and Merchant
I believe it’s going to be an extraordinary game. If one guy did all that by himself then he deserves all the credit for the game. I can’t wait to play it. Great video mate 👍
Total War already killed itself.
Honestly, the fact that it is a city builder means that each combat encounter has 10000x more weight than total war does. Which puts it above what I like total war for..
My only concern so far is how small the map looks. Other than that i think the game looks great and i can't wait to play it.
There are going to be other maps, but a huge map doesn't really fit with the game. The whole map is always loaded in there are no loading screens
@@CubeInspector yeah that's fine. I just want it larger but not super big. I'm literally willing to pay for larger maps too.
I wonder what the modding scene will be like for this.
To me it seemed more of a Settlers competitor maybe more like settlers 3 but I’m just echoing Worth A Buy aka Mack’s video on it but i think he is right and I don’t believe he even mentioned total war in that video. It’s also releasing on pc gamepass for those who wanna just try it.
Even if it isn’t a TW-killer, it still offers some measure of competition. And hopefully, that means that the industry will improve.
I am going to purchase it during Early Access because I enjoyed the demo a few months back, and because I honestly believe Creative Assembly needs some competition, and finally the cost is peanuts for me.
Yeah, i definitely agree with you! would be great if a good studio take this game and push forward, would be great game
I commit to its FUTURE!
This is the year of indie games it seems so far
Sounds like something a Total War Killer would say. You can't fool me!
Just well said, totally agree
He got my money in EA. I see a realy great potential in this title and I hope it will grow to one of the most memorable title. Besides I'm polish and he is polish and belive me it's not an easy work to live and developing games in poland.
May I ask how was the game’s performance?
For me it wasn't great but I'm not a great benchmark haha I have a laptop and was recording on OBS so things were iffy
It looks really good! However the hype train is strong, the game should focus more on city building, and court intrigue, the combat and military is passable. Having an avatar on the ground is nice but without interacting with anything it becomes useless, its not mount and blade so im not expecting the avatar to fight.
Firefly should work with this guy to remaster stronghold with manor lord graphics. I still play stronghold crusader even today. No other game scratched that itch.
i believe manor lords developer thats the reason i have a gaming pc now also amazing vid and yeh it is surprising one guy can make a better game than AAA companies
It looks alright. I enjoy immersion A LOT and despite its clear flaws this is a game that will immerse me for hundreds of hours of gameplay. maybe thousands.
the title says it all
I'll wait for it to be released before buying. Better to wait for a full game then get bits and pieces of content over months if not years.
@TheTerminator, what a great review. As always your honest. This game looks so appealing,but im going to need a P.C to play it. I get all the stuff about there being one developer and it being work in progress. Its a great story too and makes me buy into this game. Also, it's brilliant how the community are involved. That will make the game grow to be a true master piece over time. The title of your video is "Manor Lords is a city builder NOT a total war killer". I love city building games and total war. Do you think over time it will grow to have bigger maps, battles the size of total war and a mechanical engine an indepth interface face such as crusader King's?. Imagine all that rolled into one would create a true game we all dream of. I imagine modders will get involved in this project and be able to bring that to us. Look what many talented people have brought to total war. I would imagine maps will also grow over time and then possibly add different geographical areas like tbe middle east or
Greece etc. Do you think this is the vision of the developer?
I think that anything is possible to be honest. This isn't a Total War killer, but Slavic Magic has a lot of passion for what he's making and he wants to build Manor Lords into a game that is replayable and fun. I don't think it will ever be something as grand as Total War or Paradox games, I think he's trying to do something unique and special within the genre, which is why it's captured so much attention. I WOULD LOVE mods to take the game into new settings! But we'll see what the future holds :)
I CANT WAIT TO PLAY MANOR LORDS, CAN YOU BELIEVE IT? ONLY 8 DAYS AWAY, MANOR LORDS, ONLY 8 DAYS AWAY, WAHOO
It probably is overhyped, but it looks like the medieval city builder/RTS I wanted and expected.
The game isn't even out yet, but I am already waiting for the lord of the rings mod. Because we can be sure that smn will make one.
So basically, a DIY Middle Ages Chicago sim
Buying Manor Lords in early access is no difference from buying a AAA these days. The only difference being that Manor Lords is transparent and up front about what you get for your money. And with a much greater chance of further development and delivery of whats promised in the future. And ironically also in its current state despite smaller in scope, more of a complete game already than many AAA titles are even years after release.
Not only does the game and concept look great, ideally it’ll pressure bigger studios to improve as well
With the money from EA he should just hire 10 developers and speed up all the missing features.
Honestly, man, I love your mod showcases and such but I dunno about this one. Do you really get to say this while _we_ (me personally a couple of times for sure) were the ones commenting this on numerous "This is THE Total War KILLER!!!1!" videos _you'd_ made (among other creators) over the years.
Yes, time to Manorge expectations.
100% worth the hype but the ppl trying to build it up as a potential successor to total war were always over excited. It was never going to be that.
Terminator falls right into that category, though. Why does he get to patronise his audience over expressing the undue hype he majorly helped develop?
It's brilliant - but you know unfortunately there will always be the haters and the nay sayers. This could be Greg's biggest problem - look how it affected Cities Skylines 2 - and that was a whole dev team getting dispondent due to player reaction to their the distributor. Mind,Manor Lords is clearly stamped Early Access. So, lets keep our fingers crossed that he rolls with it. I have utter admiration for his hard work and vision. If it sells well he can hand pick some assistance to polish the edges and get it to version 1.0 in short order. A fantastic base to build upon. Regarding modding - I would rather the core structure was polished before letting anyone vandalise it. I wish him and any future company that is born out of this game fabulous success. Needless to say, I can't wait to get my hands on it.
BUYING DAY ONE!!!!
Ya I think that was the only sad realization for me that this game wasn't going to be competing with Total War. Now that's not to say the game doesn't look amazing and I'm not excited, because it does and I am. But when I first heard about this game I was hoping it could be a game that really pushed CA to finally start putting some passion back in to their games, and get back on track by giving some competition to the Total War series. I have come to terms that this game will probably not do that though, which I can accept. So I'm just going to focus on what this game delivers, and I really do think it will be a fantastic game that I'll never be able to put down 😂
It was never meant to, though. Originally it wasn't even supposed to have combat. Content creators have been doing this game a massive disservice from the start. This has always been more of a Stronghold/Settlers competitor than anything resembling Total War.
I just started to play sengu dynasty. Hope Manor Lords isnt a 1 on 1 copy. But sure gonna buy it next week. Then take a holiday and not respond to telephone calls
I do like the idea of supporting a small developer..I'm gonna buy it. I've made riskier investments
I became very careful about solo devs or even teams of less than 10 people. Even if they get cash flow it doesn't reinforces proper development after. People can get money drunk like Valheim guys. Or if it's solo dev he might get some hiatus from development.
If you haven't already I recommend to check Soviet Republic. - THIS is a city builder I never experienced before (on realistic). With some core issues that now can't be fixed this game still is really really something.
i was saying this from day 1, this game is not,- NOT - a total war game, or ''bannished'' people have even compared it to KCD due to the medieval and photo realismen graphic route'
I would much rather put my faith in one guy namely slavic magic rather than creative assembly and the state they are in
It has at least 5 years until the full version. I hope he hires more employees with the money he earns In terms of content, it is not even Age of Empires, there is a lot of work to be done, all the hype is to the unreal engine believe me, it's also obvious that it is a work of passion but it's not complete, I hope it will not be dead until the full version is released
Ha ha Gregg the developer must’ve watched your video because he put out a post explaining these very points. Unfortunately, gamers are the worst at managing expectations. I’m a 10 year Star Citizen backer and I’ve enjoyed the development process as much as the game itself.
This game reminds me of stronghold
If people want expectations. Just wait a bit longer, and if mods are a thing. OH MAN. Imagine a bigger map with more units XD
I've been in on too many of these early access games and I'm burned out on that. I will wait until full release. I'm not interested in the pain of the development journey, there's too many other great finished games out there to play. It looks really good and has amazing promise, but I can wait.