Scream (2022) | THE CHERRY PICKER Episode 50
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- 🩼 Now that it's been a full year since the release of Scream 2022, we are finally going to unpack everything in this ginormous supersized episode of the podcast. Hang out with us for the next three hours as we re-evaluate this requel with a new lens, offer our updated franchise rankings, discuss the handling of the legacy characters and the new characters, our take on the writing, Radio Silence's direction, and the film's marketing, and of course, we'll choose which character we think was most deserving to die.
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1, 2, 5, 4, 3 Sydney may have had the least screen time in 5 but it was my favorite portrayal of her. She's sick of the s**t. It's a spiritual vibe I feel with her.
I agree! Something about her being a grown woman with a family that just hits different! I loved it! And Neve is just so damn beautiful! ❤️
Except she didn’t follow through and shoot everyone in the kneecaps!!!!
If she did that… amazeballs.
I prefer her “F you” attitude in Scream 2 third act when she declares she killed Billy and then slices Mickey with her necklace.
The "I'm Sydney Prescott. Of Course I have a fucking gun" is my favorite line of the the franchise
@@DarkJediJoker actually the line is "I'm Sidney fucking Prescott, of course I have a gun".
This is film class, right? Hahaha
@@JessieDee13 you're absolutely right lol my bad. Getting close to binge time and go back through the series before 6
I don't hate Scream 5 but Scream 6 will define whether I trust or don't trust the writers. Maybe Scream 5 didn't work as well because they were trying to mimic Wes Crave instead of doing their own thing. Hopefully Scream 6 will change that and it will be something different. We'll get to see a Radiosilence Scream. And I'D LOVE a cliffhanger.
My list: 2,1,3,5,4
Scream 2 just gets everything right for me. Character development, Storytelling, suspense, chase scenes, set pieces, soundtrack, character themes originality, originality. Just like the original Scream it's an iconic masterpiece and a lesson in how to make a perfect slasher sequel. The opening scene being in a busy movie theatre instead of the cliche ghostface call and attacks victim at their home opening scene is just beautiful. Take note.. you don't always need a Ghostface phone call to open a Scream movie with.
2-1-5-3-4 love the sequel
23:50 I first saw Jenna Ortega in season 2 of the show YOU, and then Scream 5, but yeah it's crazy how much stuff she's been in this year. (Especially in horror. She's becoming a new horror queen.)
Sam character is annoying as f. Yes she inspires that level of reaction in me . Jenna seems to carry their relationship/ scenes. It’s like that dig at Gale that without GF she’s scared that she could fade into oblivion. Same may be true of Sam/Tara dynamic.
Btw was I the only one that caught the shade throne at Neve,old school fans and possibly critics, throughout film? Or maybe it was my loyalty to Neve that made me overly sensitive?
Sam told Tara about Billy being her father because Richie said "Do you know why someone would attack your sister?" And so she felt like someone attacked Tara BECAUSE of Billy being her father.
Also, Sam wouldn't have necessarily returned to Woodsboro. In fact, if anything, it would purposely make her avoid Woodsboro. If she thinks a killer is targeting her (and therefore killed her sister) she would be dumb to return to Woodsboro. However, keeping Tara alive basically guarantees Sam's return. She would want to protect her sister. Besides, a funeral wouldn't happen right away anyway because their mother was out of town. So I definitely believe they purposely kept Tara alive. Even IF Sam would have returned if Tara had died, there was no guarantee for the reasons I already stated. So keeping Tara alive pretty much guarantees Sam returns.
Dewey wasn't inept in his death scene. Once he got the killer down, his goal was to get the others to safety. Once they were in the elevator, he knew he had to shoot the killer in the head or they'd came back. I don't think it was contrived at all. Makes perfect sense. As for looking at his phone, it wasn't a conscious choice. As Eddie said, the phone ringing made him turn his head on instinct and Ghostface jumped up a spilt second later. It wasn't like Dewey stared at his phone for 30 seconds before he was killed. It was almost instant. Personally, Dewey's death is my favorite death of the entire franchise. I thought it was a badass way to go out and Ghostface looked really cool in it. The death was brutal AND the lines of dialogue were awesome. And thank you, Zack, for saying Amber doesn't lift Dewey. I'm tired of hearing people say that.
The people who think Stu (or Dewey) is returning are just setting themselves up for disappointment. I've already seen people say they were pissed Stu wasn't the killer in Scream 5.
A movie could absolutely use a fictionalized version of Sidney. Do you think Team America World Police got permission from all of those actors? Or do you think those were real events that they were allowed to use? Family Guy and South Park depict real people all the time without their permission and without it being a real life scenario. And those are just SOME examples. There are many, many more.
Yeah, I was one of those that at first glance thought Amber lifted him, but when someone argued that she didn't and I actually went watched just that scene I admitted I was wrong. She doesn't lift him. It's how she stands and the camera lowers to give the esthetic, but she doesn't lift him.
1, 4, 2, 3, 5.
I will never understand why 5 gets so much love, and 4 gets so much hate.
My thoughts exactly. 4 did everything that 5 was attempting to do, but competently. It hit all the marks. Great social commentary that doesn't rely soley on the Stab movies, great horror scenes and atmosphere, great dialogue, effective kills. 5 isn't bad, it's just the 5th best
LMFAO Of course it's over three hours long. Your love for Scream is admirable Zack 🤙
Another 3 hr Scream episode!!! Hell yes!!! This is literally going to get me through today. You guys make my week, and I'm so grateful.
Parker Posey for every Scream film. Bring her back as a new character too.
I rank it 1,2,5,3,4 but my favorite reveal would have to be the one in Scream 4 because that's the only one I didn't see coming
Ranking from best to otherwise:
1, 2, 5, 4, 3.
Been so excited for this. 😁
Adding in the new one, my take is 1,2, 4, 3, 6 then 5.
The last two are trash. The Carpenter sisters are awful, though Chad and Mindy have potential.
The killers in 5 and 6 have been terrible with Richie and Amber being the worst.
I normally like Dermot Mulroney but I found his character way too over the top and unbelievable and having 3 killers was just a desperate grasp to make it "different" than the other movies.
Scream 4’s opening wins because of the song on the title card. Something To Die For by The Sounds. Still a jam.
Thanks for reminding me of that song! It really is so catchy
@@Wraiven22 Yeah its great eh? I hope they use it again. maybe when Kirby walks on screen.
My ranking is 1,4,2,3,5
I like 4 cus it’s the first movie I was old enough(or even alive for) to see in theaters. And it’s the first time I actually was a fan of the actors and knew them. (Like I had no clue who the guy was that played Roman or the lady who played Mrs.Loomis so both those reveals seem so random to me. But I get that they are big names so it was cool that they were killers.)
2 and 3 switch up a lot for me but I think Scream 2 has one of the best Act 1 and 2 but the least rewatchable Act 3/killer reveal and with Scream 3 I think only the two Gales make it rewatchable BUT it has an amazing Act 3 imo, I love everyone running around the mansion maze getting killed off. But also has the worst killer reveal haha
5 just doesn’t really have anything special in it. It’s fine for a Scream movie, and a tribute to Wes but it didn’t just take a breath and give us a good suspenseful scene or chase.
My ranking is
1,2,4,3 and 5.
I don't dislike any of them.
Some are just personally more enjoyable.
I don't believe there's a bad SCREAM movie.
1, 4, 5, 2, 3. I just look for a fun story and characters, and a shocking ending. I didn’t care for any of the new characters in 2 and only Jennifer in 3. And nothing tops the Jill reveal
36:10 - Wrong. Sidney and Gale never intended to have the killers arrested. They wanted the killers dead. Which is why in the hospital scene with Sam, Sidney and Gale, Sid says to Sam "I won't rest until he's in the ground. I want you to help us kill him."
1, 2, 4, 5, or vise versa (depending on the day), and finally 3. If it wasn't for Parker Posey and Patrick Warburton and also Carrie Fisher, Scream 3 would be unwatchable. Thank you for the vid!
The first three Stab films had the main character of ‘Sidney Prescott’. Played by Tori Spelling and whoever replaced Angelina in Stab 3. They could’ve easily made Stab 4, 5, 6 and 7 with the main character being named ‘Sidney’ and make no reference to her last name. From a legal perspective, it’s easily attainable. Depending on the contents of the films themselves, it may be arguable that Sidney could sue for them using her likeness. But if the actions of the character within 4-7 don’t match with what Sidney is actually like, that is a point the studio could argue saying it is a separate character and not a representation of Sidney Prescott.
I completely agree that it is messily written and massively overlooked but from a legal perspective it is possible.
Yeah. Movies depict real people without their permission. Harold & Kumar Escape Guantanamo Bay had a depiction of George Bush and I doubt they asked Bush about it. Team America depicted a bunch of celebrities and they definitely didn't get all of their permission.
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Zach I 1000% percent get where you are coming from because I really can’t say whether 4 or 5 is better than the other I think I just like more characters in 4 than I do 5
Scream 1 2 4 and 5 are all really good and some classics of course. 3 is just.. an okay movie
Agree with you completely
The voice changer and the killer reveal just completely ruin 3 for me. I only watch it for Parker Posey, the main cast and kills I like better in every other movie.
Truly amazing analysis/review, as always!
So many great points from both of you.
I agree that Scream 2022 at times has the leaziest writing, or the least careful.
It doesn't make the movie weak though, mostly due to huge directors passion for the franchise, and due to the huge, huuuuuuge emotional impact that legace characters brought to this movie!
Dewey on the phone with Syd, interactions between him and Gale, between Gale and Syd, Dewey's death, Jesus, it was all so moving!
Cheers guys!
1, 2, 3, 5, 4. i know it's out of whack from popular opinion, but i love what i love! I love the series as a whole! I love them all, but i find each movie completely different depending on my attention and my love for each movie after the ending. I also have seen every single one in the theater since the first. Im showing my age, but they all mean the world to me.
However, not to the popular opinion, I LOVE SCREAM 3, it changes the trajectory so much to everything Scream! I loved that switch up. 4 was good, but my love for the first trilogy can't be swayed.
My Ranking may get some flack but... Scream2/ Scream / Scream 3 / Scream 5/ Scream 4
The reason the Scream franchise is my all time favorite (not just in horror) is because the first film is literally the only film to scare me. I first saw it when I was 10 and by that point I'd seen SOOO many horror films. Scream actually scared me AND on multiple viewings. So that always stuck with me. Also, the writing, directing, acting, characters, etc is all top notch. When it comes to the sequels, I look at the whole franchise as one big story. Like you would a tv series. So when I talk about my favorite movie, I lump all of the films together. I don't have a ranking. There are things about each film that I love over the others. So I enjoy them all equally.
Also, everything Zack said are his reasons for hating Amber are my reasons for loving her. I just genuinely enjoyed Mikey Madison's performance. Not to mention how aggressive her Ghostface was.
I know its not necessarily horror, but are you guys gonna do an episode on The Menu? Would love to hear your take on it!
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Personally my list is 1, 5, 2, 4, 3. Although I enjoy all of the movies.
Great podcast. Love ❤️ all the scream episodes.
My ranking is: 1,3,4,5,2
Scream 3 is 2nd on my ranking for Parker Posey alone. Parker Posey needs to have a cameo in the next movie.
1,5, 2, 4, 3 to me 2 and 4 are interchangeable at the moment😅
The point is that Gale has grown, that's why she's not acting like 3 or two. She probably started leaving when Dewy warmed her not to come.
My favs are 1, 5, 4, 2, 3 but omg when I consider 2 being that low I always reevaluate because I love them so much. I’m still riding the Scream 5 hype. And I know it’s not perfect but how wonderful all those Easter eggs for the big fans. The whole movie is just stuffed with Easter eggs from past movies and I really appreciate it mostly for that reason solely. They definitely overlooked some things but they put some real details on it and it makes my heart happy. I’ll always appreciate it because of that.
Ranked intros would be 1, 5, 2, 4, 3. I really dislike the intro in 4 however Scream 3 will always be a level underneath because that damn voice changer. I love it but it will always be my least fav Scream movie (fingers crossed I didn’t just jinx Scream iV for myself)
Today for me: 1, 2, 3, 5, 4…I think that Tara is more of a Gail - part of the equation by her circumstance where as Sam was born into it and will have to redeem herself in spite of who her father was. Sidney had a lot of guilt and shame to work through, being Maureen Prescott’s daughter, especially throughout the first two movies. What do I know?? Very thought provoking to consider 🙌🏽
It was clear that Tara survived as you could see her in the wheelchair in the hospital, etc
You could also see it was clearly Judy being killed in the front yard in daylight as well. You can see her long blonde hair even. The trailer gave away so much. I knew Dewey was going to die in the hospital as well.
AHHH I’ve been waiting forever ❤️
What if in "Scream 6" instead of Billy Loomis visions for Sam, we get Mrs Loomis visions for Sam (thus get Laurie Metcalf and her amazing crazy eyes back)?
There once was a film named Scream…The writing was great although their seemed to be somewhat of a plot struggle. This was like a transformers/ Jurassic park movie. Like the bots and Dinos,Ghost face is definitely the star and the cast are incidental. The character with the best lines,screen time and purpose IS Ghostface. It had emotional moments that made me sad for both victim and GF. He seemed fed up. The writing in this film has cut the cord and GF is free to roam at will, legacy/revenge/cults no longer matter.
1, 4, 2, 5, 3 in terms of which ones I like to rewatch and see CZcamsr reactions to the most. I am so excited for 6! Between this and Evil Dead Rise it really looks like horror fans are in for a less horror-comedy centric year than 2022 was.
I’m a huge SCREAM fan and I enjoyed this video. It was refreshing to hear some not so popular opinions of the movies. I think the writers are on the fence about the Sam character. They almost wanna make her a killer because of who her pops was, but they wanna make her one of the good guys because she’s Tara’s sister and she’s doing all she can to submit to the urges.
Thinking about your point about the killers being stupid in this movie got me thinking about how every killer in this series is stupid. With Stu, his excuse was peer pressure(like that would hold up). With the 2nd film, Timothy olyphant's character thought to blame the media, Roman was just sad and pathetic and Jill didn't really care about Charlie who wasn't smart enough to realize Jill was using him. So every killer was stupid. 😃
40:12 this applies to Halloween Ends as well lol. 59:36 everyone knows how mad Gale's bangs were and the movie even acknowledges this, when Sam and Ritchie enter Dewey's "house" Gale says 'bangs again, stage an intervention'. 1:27:32 Luckily Gale and Sydney were frozen in time in the kitchen while Sam fought with Ritchie and conveniently walk out once she kills him lol then Tara is just conveniently standing there with a gun just waiting for Amber to come back alive? Ok. 1:32:44 lol. Agree that Dewey's kill was contrived, also really dislike Sam's dumb smirk when the elevator opens up right before Dewey shoots Ghostface. 2:25:26 this line was made because the writers were probably aware that Neve wouldn't return and so this is about Scream not Stab, as she will have been in every movie except the last one (Scream 6). 2:39:05 yea I'm not on the ride for act 3, so much nonsense lol. 2:44:27 no one would say what Ritchie says as they're getting stabbed to death, stupid line and then it's topped with the "I still prefer the Babadook." 2:44:43 if she were to be good in 5cream doesn't change that she wasn't great (being nice) in Scream 5.
Oh and when at the Meeks place where we see pictures of Randy there is a picture of the cinema showing and the movies are 'A Nightmare On Elm Street, The Hills Have Eyes, The Last House On The Left'
Great podcast as always, I know Eddie won't watch the trailer but Scream 6 looks so much better than 5cream.
I do like your alternate idea of having them frame Sam and that other guy who was related to Stu, Zack. Having him disappear and pop up in the last act kidnapped would have invoked Neil Prescott from the first movie.
My head canon for the Stab movies after watching Scream 5 was Tori Spelling returned to play Sidney in Stab 3. The character was not part of 4 and didn’t do well at the box office. So for Stab 5 the time travel had Ghostface go back not to stop Sidney from ever being born, but to become her father. Therefore her name wouldn’t be Sidney Prescott and the studio could go on using the character with a different name.
Also another lazy writing moment surrounding the Stab films: Tara reveals Vince Vaughan played Stu, but when Mindy is watching Stab that is clearly not Vince Vaughan playing Stu.
Lauren Lavera from Terrifier 2 acts with the same intensity as Jenna Ortega. Great time to be a horror fan!
Tara Carpenter has asthma she afraid having a asthma attack ❤🎉 37:34
Though I've long enjoyed Zack's work, this is my first exposure to The Cherry Picker. My main takeaway is that Eddie is amazing. Such good insights, and a fun persona. Edward is truth, indeed.
My ranking 1,5,2,4,3. Roman was def the worst killer for me and the cast as a whole is why 5 is so high. Kirby was the best part of 4 and I’m glad she’s back. 2 is really good but man that second act drags
Amazing episode! Scream is my favorite franchise so I always get extra excited when you guys cover the franchise. I agree Neve did the most she could with the limited screen time & delivered a great performance as Sidney. Can’t wait for VI and hope she is back for VII
Thanks Zack! "The horror" was supposed to be said in the voice lmao. Since watching the pod I've been saying horror and trauma in the voice.
I mainly agree with Zack where the movie has fallen for me and I don't think it has a lot of replay value, but I do enjoy certain aspects like Eddie with Amber's zanyness and the impact of the legacy characters. The film is one that I think is better enjoyed at face value and falters when it's deeply dissected. Still enjoy it of course as it is a Scream movie.
My ranking is probably
1>4>2>5>3 at the moment.
We had the same rankings! Glad to see another 4 lover ❤
My ranking: 1, 2, 4, 3, 5
With the Dewy kill, it would been cool if Dewy had actually killed Ghostface. Had him come back and deliver the bullet, and just as he’s about to take off the mask and show who it is, a second Ghostface steps out and takes him out. That would have been unexpected and a more satisfying exit. They could have had it as Liv as the 3rd Ghostface
Your comment about Vince was so smart! Great podcast!
I also thought of Tree’s mum at the point you were discussing the campfire scaring. Hahaha
Stu must come back!
1,3,4,5,6,2. Yes that’s my list
2:02:30 I would love to see the entire movie voiced over by these guys
2:28:22 Hicks was playing Casey's character in the first Stab movie. So technically she was in one of the movies lol
That's Heather Graham playing "Casey" not Marley Shelton
I'd go 1 > 2 > 4 > 5 >>>>> 3. I know it's cliche to hate on 3 and a lot of people have recently come around on it, but I just can't. It feels so un-Scream-like to me. At least with 4 and 5 time has passed, the actors are older and it's tackling different things so it feels justified. But there's an uncanny valley feeling to the oddities of 3
Best opening kill: 1 > 2 > 5 > 4 > 3
Best Sidney: 1 > 3 > 4 > 5 > 2
Best killers: 1 > 4 > 5 > 2 > 3
Regarding Sam. I do think her performance is wooden and it's not justified via some "Well she's medicated and mentally ill" excuse. It feels painful watching her in some scenes. Especially when she's supposed to give emotion, I think that's when it really sticks out. I do like the Billy Loomis stuff and think it honestly has great potential, so I look forward to seeing how it develops in Scream 6. And yeah it would've been great to play with Sam possibly being the killer in this new film. The way they did it, it just kind of made a lot of the characters (eg Mindy) seem unlikeable for randomly accusing Sam whereas we the audience weren't on the same page with that reasoning. But if they made it more likely, idk. I think they might do that in Scream 6, and if not then Scream 7. I like the idea of her losing time and having gaps in her memory, black-outs, etc where she feels like she's taken over by Billy.
With the Tara thing, I feel like her not being Amber's girlfriend might've been changed once they cast Jenna Ortega since she would've been barely an adult when they started filming so they maybe felt icky about it since the Amber actress is a few years older. The age difference is only a few years so doesn't make sense to me but it might to them in this day and age. My take is that they really should've kept it. Not only would the representation be good (Don't forget it's not just Amber being gay -- Tara would too which is so rare for a horror movie protagonist (and arguably the final girl) to be openly queer. Would've made her more interesting too and it seems like they reverted her to straight in Scream 6 which is disappointing that the chance was missed) but ALSO idk it would've made more sense. For one, it would make Amber (and Tara) more interesting and layered characters, but also it would tie Tara and Sam together more, and make the pair of killers more interesting with having them both be romantically involved with one of the final girls. A great subversion and reflection and play with an old trope that also ties into the movie being a requel
I think I'm in the middle when it comes to Amber. I like her reenacting Psycho and I like her doing everything to defend herself ("I was radicalized!", "Nono wait I'm so sorry about Dewey"). It makes me laugh. The times I cringe is when she acts evil/intimidating. "Now that's a fucking villain" had really bad delivery, I feel like and there are some parts I don't buy. I would've loved if it was more fleshed out. Richie definitely feels better in that department where his motivation shines through in the performance and delivery of each line. You get a good vibe of who he really is once the facade drops. And I like the subversion of Billy where he's the evil boyfriend but rather than being slimy and cunning and charming but also creepy from the beginning he's sort of nerdy and pathetic. It's a good idea that they needed to do at some point, so glad they did, even if it's predictable. I think his idea was done the best it could. Amber on the other hand definitely feels like she had more potential and is maybe why she has so many diehard fans -- people who are reading into that potential and fascinated by the subtext. I wish it was executed better, and like I said her having more of a relationship with Tara would work for me, with the possessive and clinginess. In the movie thought it feels annoying because she's just Tara's friend and their relationship is sort of confusing -- Tara doesn't reciprocate the friendship at all. And I know it's not an acting issue because it's Jenna Ortega, but you have Amber acting a little controlling (she feels older than Tara too rather than them being on equal footing). Idk there was potential there that feels lost. I do like the Billy-Stu parallel and I think they sort of feel like them, not just individually and in their dynamic but their overall energy/motivation. Billy and Stu, like Sidney says, have seen one too many scary movies. The way they're giddy and feel like children but twisted into something darker feels expertly reflected in Richie and Amber, because so much time has passed that now the original Billy-Stu killers ARE the scary movies that the new killers are reenacting.
It's definitely the same Mark xD In the original script he's on screen and there's a scene of Sidney getting the kids ready for school rather than being on a jog
I agree with Zack 100% that the unique thing about Scream as a horror franchise is that there's no resets, no convoluted watching order, no multiple character incarnations... It tells one continuous story with the characters and focuses on that
Now that's a comprehensive analysis.... love it, thanks for putting the time in
@@pjhunt4135 Haha thanks. It's literally just word vomit though. I have a habit of spilling out all my opinions just bc it helps me remember and process them in my brain later. I appreciate it however
Idk how I would feel about Sam ending up a killer. Like yeah, it would be interesting for sure… but is the message then that if you’re born to a serial killer you’re likely going to also become one? Or that mental illness leads to committing horrible acts of violence? Idk I know Scream isn’t meant to be taken so seriously, I guess I’d just have to see how they did it.
@@Wraiven22 Well I don't think it needs to be as straightforward as her actually being a Ghostface killer. Just some interesting culmination to her being Billy's daughter rather than it being a plot device to get her into the movie.
2, 1, 5, 3, 4. 4 would be above 3 if it didn’t have such a weak ending. Shots going off in the hospital and no one hears that ? Always took me out of the movie.
Was Liv actually meant to be related to the Mackenzies (Drew Barrymore’s neighbours)? Or did they just forget about that as well?
Jenna Ortega was also in iron man 3 believe it or not
I love Eddie's Cult of Ghostface idea because dummies like me would 100% go spend the money to see it in the theater lmao.
Jenna Ortega is AMAZING in this movie! This is the first thing I've seen her in and I was SUPER impressed! This new cast makes me feel so confident in carrying on the SCREAM Legacy!
Scream: Not in my movie Scream 2: Just in case Scream 3: Stab 3 right Scream 4: Don't fuck with the original Scream 2022: Enjoy that torch
I think Tara feels more like Sid too because she seems like the most real character in the film, not having it at all, no camp, just like a real person dropped into this horror movie that wants to get out and reacts immediately and realistically appropriately to the severity of the danger.
My favorite podcast, I love to listen in the shower and when I walk my dog
This might be a little TOO meta, but if the Stab 3 that was made is about the events of Scream 3, then that means that all the characters in Scream 3 are also canon to Stab 3, including Jennifer Jolie. Meaning that if she had survived, she would be playing Gale, herself, AND any versions of Gale from previous Stab movies. But would the in-universe version of Scream IN Stab also be called Stab? Or would it be called something else? Slash, perhaps?
1,5,3,2,4
Omg I've finally found a tribe member. This is my ranking too. Let me know where you get to with 6🍾
Been waiting to watch this forever.
It just needed to be the ghost face ringing Dewey to distract him. Not just a coincidence
How on earth Eddie can rank Scream 5s opening scene as the second best in the franchise is baffling lol. For me it's just almost the same as the original Scream which we have already seen before. Scream 2's opening scene is so different from all the rest.. there's no phone call this time. They're in a public place surrounded by people yet Maureen and Phil are still killed by Ghostface whilst managing blend in with the crowd.That for me is terrifying and epic
We need Jennifer Coolidge and Audbrey Plaza to join Scream VII
I think Sam not knowing whether she did it or not may be a part of the next one based on the confession scene and the holding the mask scene in the trailer
Mine is different also
I would say
Scream 2
Scream
Scream 4
Scream 3
Scream 5
Scream 5 is last for me just because it didn’t really feel like a scream movie, and because Dewey died middle of the movie not the first or last. And I hated the killers because I predicted them from the start.
So my list go 1, 2, 4, 3, 5, 3 and 4 are neck to neck tho. I knew amber was the killer 5 minutes in the movie and I'm still heated that i was right. The texting and the video was Two big red flags in my face. But it was ultimately the glossing over her involvement. I whispered to my boyfriend she the killer. Cause why nobody was asking more questions about her whereabouts and how the killer got her phone, And the video wasn't even live. So my distrust was set in, so my eyes where always on her. Everything she said was always second guess and took for face value. But the boyfriend had me, i did not see that coming. Before the movie i was apart of a big Facebook group, if your scream fan you probably know them, anyway when the motive came out and the motive was the whole stab fans. I took good long hard look at the scream fandom. I knew the joke was on us. Cause the movie we got was the movie that we wanted. This is the toxic fandom movie. The villains we wanted was us. We are the real villains.
The resort 2021 and maleviolence 2004 do one on that whenever you get around to it...........
I might go back and explain my ranking, but right now I'll just put the numbers because I'm emotionally exhausted.
1
4
2
3
5
I will never understand how anyone likes Mickey. To me he is the worst killer. I even rank Charlie above him.
I’m not too far into the podcast yet so I don’t know if this gets brought up, but I also don’t think the kills in this movie were all that creative. Not that Scream has ever been anything like a Saw movie level of uniqueness, but there’s always been some level of variety, and in this movie it was literally just he gets stabbed, she gets stabbed, they get stabbed. Like there wasn’t anything that interesting about the way the killer did their thing.
1,3,4,2,5 for me😁, another awesome episode yall
Never seen anyone rank them in that order before.. you really rank Scream 3 and 4 above 2? 2 had so much character development and storytelling going on that the others since just haven't captured. The opening scene is so iconic and different too all the rest in the series.. a public busy place in a theatre.. no ghostface phone call.. Maureen being killed and nobody even caring to notice as they're all glorifying these previous ghostface murders.. its just genius film making. Personally my list would be 2,1,3,5,4
@@FreeThinkAlways i respect that list and don’t disagree with any of those points senor, honestly for me (and I recently rewatched the series for scre6m..) it’s picking favorites at the end of the day as I love all these films, 3 has always been my favorite cause it offered the most development imo for Dewey and gale. Plus changing the scenery and offering that Hollywood setting. We also get randy cameo back which is my fav character of the series. 4 also followed in 3 footsteps with building gale immensely and that opening is killer. 2 just felt like riding the insane high of the first film which is awesome but I found more in the later installments
I see what Zack is saying about Amber but I feel that way about Richie. I hate him so much and I still get so annoyed that S6 is basically about him
I haven’t watched 6 yet. I own it, I just spread my movies out, I’m weird. My rank is probably 1, 2,4,5,3. I liked 5 a lot more than I thought I would. And I think as the years go by I like 4 more every time and 2 less every time,lol. I’ve always thought 3 is for the most part garbage, I remember liking cottons death.
I want the killers motivations to be interesting, I want the killer to be seen throughout the full movie (looking at you scream 3 😒), I want the friends to be witty and unique, I want good kills, and I want CHASE SCENES.
I find myself talking with myself watching these as if I’m talking with you guys and it gave me an idea, don’t know how well it would work out. But have you ever thought about adding a tier to your patreon where me, the listener, can join you for a few hour podcast talking about a horror movie we agree on?
There's the "What's your favourite Horror Film" perk, where you can discuss a film of your choice with Zack.
@@silentsaturn7604 oh my gosh…I don’t know how I missed that!? That’s on me, my bad. Thanks for looking out!!!
It's like you kno when I'm guna have a long drive for work. I'm sure it's solid as usual I'm gassing up and hitting play.
✌️+💜
Wasn’t Scream 4 always going to have Jenny and Marnie, along with the Stab cameos? The only difference is they kill Jenny first on the couch and then chase Marnie. But that one is so quick and no buildup.
Still find it funny that this movie had to do with requels when Scream 4 was one of the first
1,4,5,2,3 is my ranking fo shooo!
Hey Zack, would you like your next podcast to be dedicated to the original terminator? And yes i think is in many ways a horror film like Alien. It's a perfect combination of sci-fi, action and horror in my opinion as others like Cody leach and Jeremy jahns and sean chandler have mentioned in their reviews. And because it's the only terminator movie where Arnold is the villan, he is a lot more intemidating and a prime example of badasserie, unlike the sequels, which turned him into the comic relief. And we can also make the argument that Sarah Conor is basically a final girl, one of the best in the genre! so why not?
And also big mistake by your count to not include the movie in the Every single movie reference in scream 2, whenever they were discussing sequels
Openings:
1>5>2>3>4
But 5 is just a complete rip off of the Original Scream? No originality other that Tara survives but even then its never explained how she survived. She was half dead on the floor with Ghostface closing in over her before a camera cut somehow saved her. Scream 2 didn't require the cliche Ghostface phone call or attack at home to open the movie.. An attack in a packed out movie theatre whilst blending in with everybody was just genius and so original
@@FreeThinkAlways I think the scream 2 original is arguably better. Roger L Jackson and Tara performance were great in the 5 opening. It felt like his best voice work since the first movie.
@@FreeThinkAlways She survived because they purposely left her alive.
@@Joker_JAK Purposely? If they wanted to do that they could have just scared her more...She got what a broken leg, an injured arm and multiple stab wounds all in the body. More than enough to potentially kill someone. Then of course she's attacked again in the hospital so I ain't buying they want to keep her alive. I think it's just weak writing if you ask me.
Zack is it okay if you could do a episode on toxic Adventure 1984 whenever you get the chance to..........
Finally the 5cream episode!! Love you guys
Why am I done seeing new Scream movies come out, but I’m going to watch 6 to see what could possibly happen next? 😂 I think it’s good to move on from the main cast if these continue.
The best part of 5 was the build up scene with Wes. The rest was ok.
No matter how many times I see 4, I can’t enjoy it. I feel like there is no tension whatsoever.
I have a lot of love for the original trilogy. I can watch any of those and feel happy.
I mean the toxic Avenger 1984 do a episode on that whenever you get the chance to..........
I honestly like scream 5 the best
1, 4, 5, 2 and trailing 3
I absofuckingloutely on the same page. Tara is Sidney and Sam is Gale. I honestly always thought Jenna resembled Neve a bit
I am choosing the cop to die for a couple reasons.
1. ACAB
2. All he has to do is sit and make sure one person doesn't die, and yet he's horrible at it??
3. He doesn't even try to make Sam feel better when she's worried about her sister who has just been skewered like a pig
I'll admit the first time seeing scream(5) I completely forgot Liv got shot by Amber. I even asked my friend "I wonder what happened to that Liv character" haha. That's how forgettable she was lol.
I asked my younger brother the exact same thing when we got back from the cinema watching it lol! It happened so sudden and fast I didn't catch at first glance who got shot. Really was a forgettable character wasn't it
@@FreeThinkAlways yes it happened so abruptly that we both missed it haha!
I love Sydney but she may not exist without Laurie. What is it that Sydney says, "Don't F with the original?" Laurie Strode is Yoda, and Sydney Prescott is Obi- Wan. Both rock in their own way but one owes a lot to the other.
1,5,2,4,3 for me, but I have only watched 1 more than once so far
Scream the tv series did the “every character with mask” thing first! And I’m pretty sure it was season 1
Was first done in nip/tuck season 3, early 2000s ish
@@thecherrypicker The Carver!
3,1,5,4 2