Albion Principe vs Crecy vs Cold Steel Hand & a Half - Cutting Sword Roundup
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2017
- Which is the best training tool for you? This isn't particularly meant to be a "review" per se, but a pro/con list of the Albion Principe, Albion Crecy, and Cold Steel Hand and a Half.
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Cold Steel Hand & a Half (Canada)
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Principe:
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Crecy:
www.albion-swords.com/swords/...
Karl Bolle's Sword Sharpening video:
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Hey everyone! So I'm hearing from different people that the audio was too low, and from others that it was fine. Until I figure out what's going on, I uploaded another version with increased volume. You can find that here - czcams.com/video/VVW2oxrkI5I/video.html
And while you're looking at this, which do you find has a better overall level? Trying to get optimal levels across all devices is tricky, so please reply to this comment which you prefer, and what kind of device you're listening with (Laptop speaker, Desktop headphones, desktop speakers, mobile speakers, etc)
I'm listening through a home stereo system. The sound on this was fine for me, except for 2 or 3 seconds that got a little weak/garbled.
I'm listening through headphones connected to my laptop via USB. This video sounds fine to me. The louder version seems a little more muffled though but it's still fine.
Power House thanks for the feedback. Editing audio is by far the worst, as everyone is so subjectively different. It's so hard to come up with a consistent formula to just get it done quick since it seems like every small tweak to fix something for some people, makes it worse for others.
Blood and Iron HEMA - I watched it on my TV through my Xbox One and on my Droid phone. The sound was fine in both.
Julian Schuetze yeah I know what you mean I mix for events sometimes. My philosophy is if I get someone telling me the music was too loud and another telling me it was too soft I feel like i did my job lol.
Respect for acknowledging the superior quality of more expensive swords without being snobby about the lower-priced options.
cold steel and albion use basically the same exact steel in their blades lmao
@@fettmaneiii4439
That's not the goalposts.
The audio sounded fine to me. Excellent video. I'm glad to hear Cold Steel has reached out to the community and changed their swords. I know the Cold Steel swords I had years ago reminded me of a sharpened crowbar. Thank you.
Really useful analysis, thanks for the video!
I hadn't realized how the sound that a sword does could be an important factor for training.
The algorithm made it REALLY DIFFICULT to find this video for some reason. Had to specify the blade and your channel.
Liked & subscribed. Thanks a lot guys. I LOVE down to earth and practical wisdom videos. Truly appreciate your honesty. 🙏🙏🙏🤺
A cheap sword can cut better than an expensive sword as long as it swings along with the plot
Thank you so much for your video. Cleared things up for me. All the best.
Thanks for your video and information i was looking for and also learned a lot. Very interesting.
Excellent video, thanks for making it
Im glad you know I would skip to the end and that made me subscribe
Have you guys cut with any Valiant Armoury Swords? For the price they seem great!
Any chance we could see a similar video with single handed swords? I know also cut with those is HEMA; and it's always nice to get the perspective from experienced practitioners with blades most of us don't see often. Cheers!
If someone makes a good longsword, and they also make arming swords of the same culture and period, they will very likely be similar quality
Cold Steel is notorious for its past QC problems. Do these seem to have been corrected in the current generation of products?
Akatsukami yes. definitely. especially the MAA line.
Cold Steel has been making steps and getting much better and QC, but even then their customer service has always been great, if you get a junker, simply calling and letting them know will often get you what you actually paid for.
I've mostly gotten knives, shovels and machetes from them, so I've never run into this problem.
@@Wabaanimkii they said I either abused the man at arms hand and half or it was damaged in shipping and refused to help me with my defective model. But oh well hanwai is better.
Thanks for the upload. You talked about good cutting swords, but what are the qualities make a good cutting sword?
Been reading a lot of comments, which are close to the truth about their quality and why you should buy one. I own one, so I'll share my personal opinion. I'm no expert but I can speak from experience. What you are paying for when you purchase an Albion Sword is: 1) Consistency, 2) Historical Accuracy, 3) Reputation, and 4) price.
Does anyone here have any opinions on the cutting prowess of the other Albion longswords and two-handers?
I'm particularly curious about the performance of the Munich, Baron, Duke, Regent, Viceroy, Knecht, Dane, and Archduke/Maximilian.
How do the swords I listed above compare to the swords reviewed in this video?
I have an Albion Baron. It's the same weight as the Principe, but with a longer blade and a shorter handle.
It's a beast of a cutter, but the blade is very flexible, so it punishes cuts and can be harder to get cutting feedback with.
I'm an independent bladesmith from Tennessee, and I was wondering how difficult it would be for me to get a foothold in the competition sword community? I'm already in the process of making Feders for a local academy of the blade, and I feel like this will help me get my name out there.
I like a short handle for sword and shield, as opposed to hand and a half. Generally speaking, I find the typeXa to be my preferred trainer. Lighter for the slower walk through training routines. Cutting in competition I want more weight, even knowing it will slow me down
Could you guys review the United Cutlery Honshu "Broadsword" Hand and a Half sword? I have one and it may be on the heavier side, but its quality is fantastic for the price. Their Competition Cutting Sword looks great too
i love the albion ringeck. everything about it from its artistic beauty to its simple functionality is on point. it makes the most with the least it has, i love it. the only thing id change about it is the handle size, id make it a few cantimetres longer.
Cold Steel just did a video on their new Competition cutting sword 3 weeks ago. It'd be nice to see your opinions on it.
It wasn't bad, it's just that the sword felt off. The handle was for a longsword while the blade felt like it belonged on an arming sword.
What are your thoughts on ATrims? Cheers. Great video.
Would a Oakeshott type XIIa or XIIIa be allowed for longsword cutting contest? I ask because to my knowledge and experience those type of swords cut INSANELY well, enven the not so good ones.
If I were to get a cold Steel hand and a half sword what website would you recommend out of these 2: Amazon or Kult of Athena(if there is another website that sells this sword in great condition the majority of the time please list that website)
I don’t think ancient warriors were worried about the sound it made when they tried to kill someone.I can see it now he’s slain his enemy sir loin of beef.Back to the smith with it and saying it cut fine but made an awful noise 🤣😂😅.With any weapon the bottom line is function.
What do you think of windless battlecry swords?
good video guys
Could you make a video about how do you sharpen your swords to get the sharpness you want?
Karl Bolle has the best video for that. Link is in the description.
Would love to see a video like this but for cutting materials, what ones are best and most attainable. I hear tatami is the best but it seems costly and it would get used up quickly and takes a bit of prep soaking it. Are there other materials that are good enough and cheap? Reusable too?
Ben engledow We do have a video about cutting water bottles, sounds like it is what you're looking for. We'll definitely do similar videos for other mediums too
How is the Principe compared to the Knecht?
Is the Albion Mercenary any good? I like the asthetics of that sword
I would love to see what you think about the CS competition cutting sword.
I have a Darksword Armory two handed Norman Sword. Could you do a review on it. I really haven't done much with it. It does have a slight wobble in the guard. How could I fix that. I was thinking of putting JB weld in the gap between the blade and the guard to get a tighter fit. I haven't done that yet because I thought I would put that out there and see what you thought.
Cold steel got a model named cutting competition sword is it the model you talk about in your video?
I realize this video is 5 years old, but how would the cold steel competition cutter compare to the hand and a half?
Is the competition cutter their answer to a more competition ready blade after seeing the hand and a half compared to real cutters or is it just a rehash with a more suitable name? Thank you.
What is y'all's opinion of cold steel's fontaine sword of war? I lift weights and do archery to so i can't afford albion weapons
I was expecting to see these swords compared practically not just spoken about
You got big forearms and shoulders with sword 💪🏻🗡
Have you guys tried the Albion Regent? how does it cut?
I love Albions The Baron. How does it do in cutting? How about it's Squire line equivalent 'Late 13th Century Great Sword"?
It's an early greatsword, m8. How well do you think it cuts?
How is the balance on the coldsteel sword? Al the other swords are out of my pricerange.
Does anyone know anything about the dark sword armory Alexandria sword would it be a good cutter?
How would you compare the albion ringeck and mercenary to the principe?
I plan on getting the Ringeck soon myself... I'd also like to know how it cuts.
Are you telepathic?? I was just looking at the Albion Alexandria for cutting lol Brilliant video guys, keep up the awesome work :)
Have you had any experience with the Hanwei Tinker Pearce longsword? It's close to the CS price, and the blade can be replaced.
Denís Fernández Cabrera Personally, I don't like the Tinker longsword at all. I like the cold steel one way better. The Tinker just doesn't cut very well.
Julian Schuetze , thank you for the feedback! Just to clarify: we are talking about the longsword, not the so-called "bastard" sword, right?
Yep. Off the bat the Tinker feels better in the hand, but it doesn't perform as well. That's something I learned pretty quick; just because it feels nice when holding it, doesn't mean it'll actually do the job well.
Julian Schuetze , neat. Thanks for the input. :)
The guy shown cutting reminds me of Kip at Rex Kwon Do.
You guys make a sharp couple
How was the cross guard on the cold steel? I heard it was a really loose fit and rattled. Did you have to shim it?
Zealot Feathers nope. None of the hand and a halves that we've owned have rattled.
Would the Albion chieftain be a good cutter?
Hi Fellas, What is your favourite out of the Albion Principe or Alexandria?
At this point it comes down to personal preference between having a wheel pommel or not. Both perform about the same
Yeah. Using an Agincourt is probably not an "optimal" pick for cutting. But it's just too darned cool.
Hey Internet - No martial Artist here, no show fighter.
But I love to go on medieval festivals and I love to get dressed for those kind of occasions. I was thinking about buying an authentic looking sword. probably a hand and a half. I guess I will not really go on cutting events with this. Can you recommend a brand for swords which look "historical correct"?
Thanks
The cold steel hand and a half and the italian long sword would suit your needs just fine.
For those that don't like the cold steel..look for Ronin Katana #7 longsword. Great cutter!
I was just going to say the same thing! Mine arrived paper-cutting sharp out of the box! Great COB, I'm able to heft it one-handed and achieve that sweet wind whistle. My only complaint: the scabbard fit is way too snug. If I put the blade all the way in, it requires a lot of pulling to free it. Other than that, it's the best blade I own for the price! Beats Windlass, CS and DSA.
I do like the look of the #7, and the price. Would re wrap the handle though
@@westwass try oiling the sword each time you pull it out for a bit, & it may seep into the scabbard & allow it to slide easier, of course there's the possibility that the scabbard was made in a dryer environment & that it has since absorbed more moisture in your environment causing it to swell & make it tighter fitting, but if its well oiled it should still help to a certain degree.
What about a hanwei bastard sword ? Quite a bigger blade than a cold steel one.
Any experience with the Albion Mercenary?
Might as well get the Albion 15th Century Bastard Sword. It's the same as the mercenary in every way aside from grip options. And it's 300 dollars cheaper.
The principe at 3lb15 oz and an enormously broad blade seems like it's almost singularly optimized for cutting competition, while the cold steel Italian/hand-and-half is a much more generalized design. This just seems like a strange comparison to me: you're emphasizing the difference in budget, when this really looks more an issue of totally different sword designs.
Are there really no better budget cutting swords than the cold steel hand-and-half? I can't imagine anyone would buy that sword specifically for cutting competition, while that's probably the target market for the Principe.
A bit long after this comment was posted, but the Ronin Katana Alexandria would be a comparable blade for a lower price point.
Bought a cold steel hand and a half for an intro cutter. Liked it quite a bit until the first time we used it cutting tatami, and on the 3rd mat, the sword snapped about 6" above the hilt. Looking at the steel at the break there was an obvious flaw in the metal.
Adrian Gunn send them a message and send it to them if you got it from an actual dealer they will replace it
That’s certainly a defect. No sword should ever snap on a tatami mat.
Ok i have caved in and am going to buy the albion principe sword. My only issue is where? I am really hesitant to pay $1450 for something 12+months in advance before ill ever see it? I am looking at KoA and wanted to ask has anyone else ordered albion from them?
We know that Skall has ordered from them, but if you want the most reliable option then ordering directly from Albion is the way to go.
I don't think I'll be able to get into cutting practice any time soon because of current living conditions and money and such but I'll definitely keep the Cold Steel one in mind. But since you mentioned that choosing one for aesthetic reasons is valid, ironically enough I actually find that Cold Steel looks a little bit nicer than the Albion swords. I like simple-looking swords but the pommel helps it look just a small bit more pleasing than the Crecy, while I think the Principe is a small bit too fancy-looking for my taste, but I don't know why.
That and there's the fecking price of it!
PJ McDaid dadao machetes often outcut swords (especially bottles) for under $100
learning to do edge alignement with the albion is like learning it with a light saber i want to say, its pointless due to how good it is
Great review. I’m an infant to this great art.
So, the Principe would be one of those overpered sword that you get later in the game in RPGs? XD
Exactly. Its the legendary sword. Or links master sword.
Main comment: *2 years ago*
Reply: *2 months ago*
Weird pattern lmao
If you play Kingdom Come: Deliverance, its essentially the St George Sword equivalent. Or maybe Herod's Sword, since we are talking cutting ability. LOL
Another budget sword for beginners would be the Hanwei Tinker Longsword. It’s cheap, well balanced, and is a decent cutter while not being too forgiving for cutting.
I'm still deciding if i should get the earl or the Principe lol...great video btw .
DREWSOLAME777 You'll be happy either way, it lands on personal preference. Have you tried other longswords with wheel pommels?
Blood and Iron HEMA no i have not tried any long swords with a wheel pommel tbh why does it get in the way?
Blood and Iron HEMA?
DREWSOLAME777 it doesn't. Again just a personal preference thing. Some people prefer them, others don't.
Blood and Iron HEMA oh ok thanks
Am I the only one who bought the Cold Steel Geman Long Sword? No, not the messer, the long sword! haha! It doesn't rattle, it's well balanced... I was going to get the Italian, but heard about the handguard issues and simply went for the German instead. Anyway, thanks for the video, and may you fine gents have a great day!
Why not the squire Albion two handed war sword? That's about 600
As someone from AK i could never get a sword in one day lol
I noticed at around 7:30 you said new person and then showed someone I was under the impression as a known person that runs a hema club?
It's to demonstrate that the cold steel can still perform well
vous ne pouvez pas faire une vidéo en Français, ça serait bien, merci
Are there any good rapiers for cutting practice?
No
Rapiers excel in thrusting, they of coarse can cut but do not excel in that aspect with a narrower thicker blade profile.
The one and a half from cold steel feels heavy in the hand.
where is Jane!! we miss Jane :´(
yes, a video gets better when she is in it :)
Don't you guys think that custom order will be always superior to line product? I mean I know that Albion is known for its great quality but if someone wants to compete on the highest level and don't want to wait a whole f***ing year for the Pirincipe or Crecy wouldn't it be a good idea to make an custom order for similar sword that would be adjusted to your personal preferences (like the length of the handle).
I'm sure that sword ordered from guys like Ensifer, Maciej Kopciuch (Swordmaker), Alan (the Sword's Path) or possible custom order from Albion (although they seem to be insanely expensive) will have if possible even higher quality and it will be better adjusted to you. Sure it can (not necessarily have to) be more expensive but when you want to compete on the highest level you have to be prepared to spend serious money anyway, so custom made sword is probably the way to go. Or maybe I'm absolutely wrong about this... :)
I'm sure a custom sword is better but it's hard to put that in a review don't you think? Individual custom swords will perform differently depending on their individual specifications. You'd have to make sure you know for sure what makes for a good cutting sword or you run the risk of pissing away a load of money on a custom weapon that fails to perform due to your error in the custom specs. I for one, would not trust myself to give the correct custom specs to get an ideal weapon for cutting competitions.
There are very few swordsmiths on the planet who understand medieval swords as much as Peter Johnsson (who does the design work for Albion swords like the Principe and Crecy). The way to think about Albion is generally not "this is a really expensive mass produced sword" but instead "this is a very affordable way to own a sword designed by Peter".
Why cutting with hand and a half swords? And not longsword ?
They are the same thing.
Honshu Broadsword please
i thought this was a game comparison since i saw my gamr in thr title(ALBION)
if the sword breaks just take the pices to the closest vendor and drop it behind his desk and a few coins will be in ur pockets by themselfs :)
I like the comment...also buy the Cold Steel...because by the time you get the Principe... :).
I am still a cutting newb, but I can add a bit, having used/owing the Cold Steel Italian Longsword and the Hand-and-a-half Longsword quite a bit. The Italian Longsword has much better handling, and can sometimes feel WAY better than its price point. I agree with the video, the the Hand-and-a-half is great for training, since mistakes and edge alignment are much more apparent with it. I have used the Hand-and-a-half the most for training thus far.
these guys look nerdy enough, but they have some forearms
It sucks having Albion tastes and a Depeeka budget.
How's the Man-At-Arms collection version of the Cold Steel hand and a half? It's a little cheaper, but do you know if it's any worse?
Allen Baker more durable, less expensive, and longer handle. the only thing is, its conpletely stark black.
Thanks. I admit, the black is almost a plus in my book, if it gives rust resistance. Any appreciable difference in edge?
Allen Baker the bevel is a bit wider on the MAA i think. At least, it was on mine. that being said, it holds an edge longer than the shiny version.
Cheers. I might be going for that, then. 200-250 is an actually possible price for me.
my cold steel tip came bent
I won't buy another cold steel. Sorry
But when the pummel when rolling I just can't bring myself to trust them them especially when the customer support told me that I abused it... I cut water bottles with a man at arms hand and half, yeah it's not their best but I paid $300 for a hunk of metal that fell apart from hitting a water bottle.
If they had worked with me a little sure but no they didn't, I looked deeper into the reason the pummel came off it was due the single solo nut used to hold the entire thing together and it's thread's where exceedingly thin and they looked uneven. I told them this in a later call and they said "we have excellent quality control, perhaps it was damaged in shipping.''
I have a 5 yeas old Hand a Half Cold Steel and for my taste it´s to heavy.
Ouch, was that a sales event for the Principe? No direct cutting comparison where the Principe has to face the other competitors under the same conditions. Much talk, nothing came of it
I’m somewhat of a professional cutter myself
Cutting things is a thing? I tought kids cut shit from their houses that they dont need(or what their parents wont notice missing from the kitchen) in their back yard
Cornhole started the same way.
It started that way decades ago, now it’s a full on competition
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Given it has been 2 years the cold steel sword should be even better yv this point
7:14 Most women don't like the short handle either... Heh heh heh... I'm sorry...
You better be.
(ಠ益ಠ) Proven cutters? Extremely good cutters?
comparing apples to pineapples the blade geometry of the swords represented are vastly different. the principe has the best geometry for cutting so price has little to do with it in that aspect.
They literally said they're not comparing the swords directly. They're just comparing the three most common swords in the HEMA community and at cutting tournaments.
I don't think you *are* pissed off, but you guys look *so* pissed off.
Most women don`t like the short handle either...
It would have been nice to actually see the swords
and why not make your own.
easy to do and you get the profile/ style you want
Easy to do, yeah right!
Yea and you’ll get a sword worth a damn after your 1,000th attempt
Pay to win.
Ryan Williamson Yes and No.
RJ Mckeehan has made finals with the cold steel several times. Skill will take you much further than a better sword.
But it will make a difference between two people of similar skill.
cold steel is better bc it doesnt cost as much as a car
But remember, those are not the only four swords in existence!