i want a stroll through arkham with cameos from arny's freeze, thermon's ivy, carrey's riddler, or jones' twoface (cause eckhart cant, but im open; nicholson's joker? devito's penguin? go ahead, 70yo actors still have it).
Kevin Conroy for the win. He's past the age to pay Batman, but old Bruce Wayne would be perfect -- elderly makeup and THAT VOICE! Plus it would keep the budget down...
Kev's unbridled optimism is refreshing and something to be admired especially in an overly cynical, instant gratification world but truth be told, I almost always agree with Marc's take on films because he views them through a lens of a writer and movie buff whereas Kevin's lens has 99% fanboy tint. I think it makes them a good combo though.
I can usually accept Marc's views as valid, but I'm generally more like Kevin. I know when a movie is terrible but I still enjoy it. Some of my favorite films are absolutely horrible movies when you break them down, but that doesn't make me like them any less.
@@Bad_Wolf_Media i can appreciate that. Sometimes I like to take my critic cap off and just enjoy a movie because it's just cool. Valerian comes to mind as far as recent films.
Personally I like to consider films or shows or novels or whatever on two grounds. Entertainment and story, separately, which is kind of what they do, Kev is all about the entertainment, Marc about the story. Some movies are entertaining, but there is not a lot behind them, it is just fun to watch. Sometimes the story is well told, makes sense, but it is not fun. And although Marc is frequently critical, that does not mean he dislikes something, or that he was not entertained, just that he found specific holes in the story, which I mean you will always find, nothing is perfect. Most comics are entertaining, but the story is kind of shit (largely due to the corporate structure I would say, every time Peter Parker has gotten some character growth over the last 20 years someone higher up hit a reset switch). There are some great comics that are good at both (Sandman and some Vertigo shit mostly), some of which can get close to not being entertaining but having good stories (individual issues of Lucifer that are building up to something spring to mind). So yeah, for me they make a great combo.
@@seeteasea5497 Being critical and hating are not the same things. I like to be critical of what I watch/read/feel/taste, but I love a lot of it. And even if it is "bad" it can still be fun.
ScreenX is not just the movie screen wrapped around, it is additionally filmed and unique footage projected on the left and right walls, it was *great* for the Wembley scene in Bohemian Rhapsody. There only 4 in the world, and they all are in towns beginning with L; LA, Las Vegas, London, and Liberty Missouri (where the family that pioneered it lives). A beautiful theater there! Unique footage has to be filmed at the time the movie's being made, basically three cameras pointed 45 degrees apart from each other, and it kicks in during important parts of the film, like in Bohemian Rhapsody any scene that was at a concert or in a club, or overlooking a city or landscape it either fades in or wipes around the auditorium. It's one of the few gimmicks I've gone to see that I thought that all movies going forward should be feeling like this...
Having a character arc is not the definition of being a protagonist. Ideally, everyone in every story has a character arc, in reality only the good characters tend to though. Killmonger in Black Panther has the arguably better story arc than T'Challa (partially because T'Challa's is pretty limited and has things literally given to him, which is my general problem with BP, but Eric's is basically Hamlet's and that has stood up pretty well for 400 years), which is why he is an awesome villain and that is a great movie.
My idea for a modern update of back to the future would be... Morty plays Marty Rick plays Doc Brown It's set in the 90's to maximise profit. Run the jewels sing the theme.
I thought Arthur grew quite a bit. He learns about the value of mercy, and he learns to grow beyond just being a blunt instrument/ talking with his fists. Black Manta’s entire beef with him starts because Arthur refused to show mercy to Manta’s father. Later, when Mera tells him he has to confront Orm, he brushes her off and just says that whenever Orm DOES come to the surface, Arthur will treat him the same way the Atlanteans treated his mother - “with no mercy”. Black Manta’s attack later in Sicily makes Arthur realize the consequences of his lack of mercy towards Manta’s father, which he talks about on the boat with Mera. During that same talk, he tells Mera that he’s not fit to be king because he believes that the only thing he’s good at is “being a blunt instrument” and “talking with his anger and his fists”. This is followed through when Arthur communicates with the sea monster guarding the trident. He tries using his fists first, and upon realizing that that won’t work, he reaches out and speaks to it. And he proves his worth not through fighting prowess, but through his humility and his desire to protect the people he cares about. Then these two aspects of his arc come together in his final confrontation with Orm. He’s supposed to kill Orm to take the throne (Orm even says that “mercy isn’t the Atlantean way”), but Arthur refuses and shows him mercy anyway. And afterwards, he tells Orm that the two of them should talk when Orm is ready, showing how he’s grown beyond just “talking with his fists”. As for what he wants - throughout the movie, Arthur seems to be stuck between land and sea, and is unsure of where he fits into either. After Mera has to betray her father/home to help him, Arthur says, “At least you have a home”, showing that he feels he doesn’t. In the end, by taking the throne, he’s found where he belongs - as ruler of Atlantis, to bridge land and sea. So yeah. I’d say the writing for Arthur’s arc was actually one of the highlights of the movie for me. Like how great is it that his most ridiculed power (talking to fish) is his most important ability in the movie?
Aquaman has its faults, but Marc's argument is totally baseless. 1. Aquaman (the character) does want something. He wants to protect people. He's willing to put his life on the line, and use his skills and innate talents, to protect people. This is literally the impetus of the entire story. He challenges Black Manta to protect the sailors on the submarine. He challenges Orm in the first place to protect the land dwellers. He challenges the incomprehensible eldritch horror in the hidden sea to protect the land dwellers and the sea dwellers, and proves his worth literally by expressing his want to protect the beings of the land and sea, which leads me to point two, but first... He challenges Orm once again in order to protect all parties; the humans on the land under threat of destruction by Orm for existing, and the beings of the sea under threat of destruction by Orm for not joining him. 2. Aquaman does learn something, and it does change him, and it's the only reason he could win in the end. He learns that he's needed. He learns that he's wanted. This is important for a character who feels like an outcast in two different worlds. He also learns that not only CAN he be king, but he actually HAS to be. It's the only way he can truly save everyone, or really, anyone. Orm has to be deposed, and it has to be Arthur who does it. And then there's the fact that Orm beats him handily in their first meeting and he beats Orm in their second. Why is that? Well, it's because Aquaman LEARNED how to fight to his strengths, instead of his weaknesses. He learned how to know what he knows and know what he doesn't know. He learned how to not start off on the back foot, so to speak. I respect Marc a lot, but he unfairly maligned Aquaman (the film) here.
Marc's claims to have base, half of your arguments don't. 1) I largely agree with your first point, I agree that he simply wants to help people throughout the movie, and it's nice to see a dc hero who just wants to help people, a favourable part of mine is when he saves the little girl from the falling debris by jumping into it. However WHY does he want to help people? The film has a general lack of motivation for his character from start to finish, he never really gives any indication of why he bothers at all, yes it's the right thing, but for a guy who's been hated and dissed his entire life, he at least needs some compelling reason to want to save people. Peter David's aquaman is my favourite run because in that there are times when he choses sea life over humans, and simply choses to save who he thinks in the right at the time. So yes I agree he does want to help, but no reason is given as to why. 2) I strongly disagree with you here. "He learns that he's needed", well he kind of new that from the start, the whole reason he went on the quest was because the world needed him to take the throne of Orm. "He learns that he's wanted", by whom? Mera? The people of Atlantis don't want him at all, in fact they show a real sense of hatred towards him when they first see him. "He learns that only he can be king" well yes, but Mera said that to him from the start lol, that revelation does not really change his character, don't get me wrong the speech from mera about being from 2 different worlds was nice, but it didnt change his character at all. "It's the only way he can save anyone", well that bullshit, did you not see the start of the movie, he was already saving people, he just needed to become king to avert a crisis and that's the point, he doesnt change as a person to become king or once he has, he just does and is the same as when he started. Okay your last point made me laugh so much because it really is really ridiculous, he beat Orm because Mera literally said to him, "fight him on your turns, hint out of water", if you really think that was a deep character change then it just shows how poorly you understand character. It's not even as if he overcame his original arrogance too much, he literally just beat orm because they were out of water, and you think that's a character change? So in conclusion, yes he wanted to help people, but through the holes and lack of real evidence in your argument you have simply proved that no he did not really change at all, and I love the movie and saw it four times. It's amusing because after calling Marc's claims baseless you then argue with them with a completely shallow and subjective point. Awaiting your response, peace
IceDragon978 There was an entire scene of Aquaman expressing remorse for the fact that he was the one who had MADE Black Manta by not saving the latter’s father. He came to the realization that if he would have stepped up and saved black mantas dad, then maybe the two of them would have turned out differently. Aquaman realized that if he has the power to help people, but doesn’t, it makes him no better than Manta and people suffer. He wants to help people because it’s the right thing to do, and that’s how he was raised. He WANTS closure about his mom. He WANTS to be better than the man who let Black Mantas's father die. He WANTS to mend things between him and Orm at the end.
@@ComicsLamar 1) "There was an entire scene of Aquaman expressing remorse for the fact that he was the one who had MADE Black Manta by not saving the latter’s father" - expressing remorse for killing someone earlier is not a character arc is it. He only expressed that remorse because he could have been the reason Mera got hurt. 2) "Aquaman realized that if he has the power to help people, but doesn’t, it makes him no better than Manta and people suffer" - so are you saying his character arc was to not kill? because he kills people at the end of the movie lol, your scraping the bottom of the barrel here for actual character development, apart from a few lines of dialogue his character does not change at all really, I'll accept that he choses not to kill Orm but again that's not a characer arc. 3) You're assuming that is how he was raised, it may well be, but the movie should have showed it. Character motivations should happen on screen, he was bullied as a child for being different, so from what we have seen he would have no reason to help humans at all, why not have a scene where he uses his sea life control to harm one of the bullies, and then his father tells him of the responsibilities of his powers, and tells him to only use them to help people? That would have been far better than giving no clear reason for why he wants to help people. 4) Yes he wants closure about his mum, that's not a character arc 5) he has a few lines of dialogue of regret about letting manta's father die, do you really think that constitutes as a solid character arc? Seriously? 5) Yes he wants to mend things with orm lol, that is AGAIN NOT A CHARACTER ARC, he just sees more of orm's perspective and doesnt kill him. If you're going to claim Arthur had a significant character arc, please provide actual evidence
@@K_patts8370 Shut up you cretin, I'm a huge dc fan, and I love aquaman, I'm just not a blind fan who doesnt have hopes for well written and character driven movies
Marc is someone I almost always agree with, but on Arthur Curry not having a journey, or want, or personal transformation, he's 100% wrong. Disappointed he didn't see it when they practically hit you over the head with it....
@@lod15a Iron Man? What about the whole making and selling weapons to the government thing and changing his entire company's vision? From having no conscience to wanting to save the world? I'd say that's a pretty big journey? I'd agree with the other two, although Wonder Woman did have a personal journey of sorts, it was just more about the loss of naivety and innocence than about growing as an individual. Mind you, Black Panther went from blindly following tradition to changing his entire country's stance on not sharing their knowledge, so there's a pretty big journey too, wouldn't you say?
Fun fact: The new Battlestar was written and produced by Ronald D. Moore, a former writer and producer of Star Trek, The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine. After a short hiatus on Voyager, he specifically did a concept for Battlestar that was Anti-Star Trek.
I think Marc’s Wrong about Arthur not learning anything. He learns he’s not a mistake in the way he thought he was when it seemed his mother was killed for having him. Marc’s right about the lack of a Want though.
He WANTS to help people. He WANTS closure about his mom. He WANTS to be better than the man who let Black Mantas's father die. He WANTS to mend things between him and his brother at the end.
I think it was the inverse of a want. From vehemently NOT wanting to be King, to embracing that destiny after he discovers what it is to be a Hero. Surely that is just as valid story-wise as the fulfillment of a want? Not every story has to follow the same formula, right? Agree with you about what he learns - and in addition he also learns the value of grace and forgiveness, when he expresses regret over not saving Back Manta's father. So yeah, Marc was completely wrong on all levels there, I reckon.
Arthur wants nothing to do with his heritage. Arthur needs to accept his heritage. Because with great power comes great responsibility, and in the end, when he talks to the Kraken he reveals that he finally accepted this, not because he wants, but because that is what the needs to do. But he accepts it himself. Shallow? Yeah, or at least not very fleshed out, but it is still somewhat of that journey, isn't it? Arthur is different at the end of the movie, compared to the beginning. Not totally different, but a little bit. And are those little changes not a typical thing for comic book heroes?
Well put, agree 100%. Arthur is different enough that he changes his shirt. New one is all royal and shit. And for good comic book stories, the changes tend to be a little more. Like Peter Parker has had probably dozens of bigger changes over the years (many of which get reset periodically because there is a perception among Marvel management that Peter only works as a loser who wants things, when he has job security and a marriage it's all screwed, apparently). Notably though he changes from being okay with criminals that don't mess with him to fighting any criminal, anywhere, over pretty much anything, which comes from that one criminal he was okay with killing Uncle Ben. Off the top of my head Bats, the X-Men, Animal Man, Sandman, Swamp Thing, Namor, the FF, the Avengers, they all have stories with significantly more character growth and changes. Many of them have one shots with more, and that is arguably the point of some of the Vertigo stuff (Sandman is kind of "change or die, and changing is a form of death" at it's core), Lucifer is probably the Vertigo guy that changes the least, although when we meet him (in an issue of Sandman) he does change and leaves Hell, but then he is mostly following plans that he and God had set out in opposition to each other millennia ago. One of the beauties of Lucifer is actually how things that happen in the first couple issues, or in the mini-series runs from before the series started properly, that show up again later on and all tie together. And one of the points of that character is that he does not really get changed by external forces, he is above that, if he changes it is due to something internal, he wants his wings back because NOW they suit his plans. But he does not experience a lot of character growth, he is too arrogant to let that happen, still who he is in Sandman and who he is in Lucifer 75 (Sandman and the spinoffs all went for 75 issues) are more different than who Arthur is at the start and who he becomes at the end of the movie.
Marc , we obviously watched different Aquaman movies. He did have a want, he wanted to not be king. He wanted his mother back. He got some wants realized and became a king .... that will want to know how to be the best king he can be.
Arthur Curry's want is to be allowed to exist. In Atlantis he's referred to as a half-breed. On land he's picked on due to his Atlantan abilities. His existence is his ability to communicate to both sides. The skill that made Aquaman a joke for so long, to communicate to fish, is used amazingly in this film. His land skills allow him and Mera to dive thru the trench, what Atlantans believed to be a sea of savages, only to find that untouched paradise and his mother. Land and sea now have a means of communication thru Arthur. He even spares Orm's life and offers to talk to him once things settle down. The hero's journey doesn't have to be so literal or done only one way....
ShelbyBaby27 yh but most of the things you mentioned are just referenced once and then immediately dropped without any real depth. He’s called a half breed but how does it ever actually impact him throughout the movie? Id doesnt, they call him that during the fight and then later they all cheer for him without any kind of revelation. And he barely used his ability to communicate with sea life, he uses it like 3 times in the movie. Again yes land and sea now have communication through him, another idea that is mentioned in the movie, but the concept is literally just mentioned as a passing comment, it has no impact or actual part in the movie, in terms of aquaman’s character the movie had flaws, it was good but dont mention all these shallow points pretending it’s got the depth of shakespeare
No one picks on Arthur on land. Kids picked on him, when he was a kid. They did that to me too, and if I am being honest I picked on people too. Don't make me an alien with super powers, just part of being a kid for most people. As for "literal or done only one way" I have no idea what you mean by literal, because a you literally just described a literal hero's journey and no one said anything about it being done one way, but they choices they made were far from original on that side of things, most of the movie is Last Crusade mixed in with the Sword in the Stone. From a literally pov, "want to be allowed to exist" is not a want. I want to breath, here I am breathing, this is something I am already doing and existing with no outside problems is something Arthur is also doing, along with breathing. The complaint is that he has no ambition, no drive, no goal. The goals and ambitions he achieves in the film are not his own, they are ones that were given to him, we have lots of great stories about people GIVING UP the goals and ambitions that were given to them, people who don't want to fulfill destiny. He has less drive to do something that The Dude from Big Lebowski, if that wave had of hit anywhere where he or a loved one was not he would have just kept on doing his own thing, not unlike how I will stay in bed all day unless something pushes me out. Also, "untouched paradise" is kind of a stretch for the pocket dimension where the Cthonic monster (literally Cthonic, the space itself is actually towards the centre of the Earth) and the trident are located. I would call it a Hell-like-paradise, considering the giant monster and shit, but that is me.
Aquaman does change throughout the movie. He wants a place in the world, he gets that in the movie. He changes in the way he deals with his enemies. He allows Black Manta's father to die but spares Orm at the end. He learns communication, he uses his power to speak with fish not only to stop the War, but tells Orm when he's ready, they'll talk. Marc missed so much. I feel like he went in with negative thoughts.
Literally, the last scene in Venom, Carnage shows up, and I can hear Kevin Smith’s voice in my head. The Kevin Smith voice, clear as day, says, “ Why the F**k aren’t we watching the Carnage vs. Venom movie?”
I usually love Marc's insight but he was so wrong about Aquaman. The beginning of the movie Aquaman does not show Manta's father mercy but he learns it and spares his brother. Also Aquaman learns to accept himself which is the significance of the special move he uses at the end to show he has accepted the truth within himself and found strength there.
I feel like Arthur did learn in that movie. At the beginning he doesn't wanna be anyone important and just wants to be left alone, and by the time he faces down the Kraken and emerges from the Waterfall with the trident, I certainly felt that he'd become something more. He started out as a man with powers, and by the end he embraces the mantle of responsibility that comes with being a super-hero.
Gotta disagree w/ Marc, Arthur Curry (Aquaman) DOES evolve during the course of the film. He's not the same guy he was from Justice League. After he captures the trident, he becomes more humbled and responsible for Atlantis as well as the other Kingdoms. An "irresponsible and in compassionate" Aquaman would have killed Black Manta and Orm, but he learned from his mistakes.
Not that I disagree, but your example is "now I have a magic stick and clothes, I am going to be a better person. Conveniently this character growth is occurring right before the climatic fight in which it will be relevant at the end of". That is the definition of pretty shallow character development. And Black Manta being alive has nothing to do with that, later in the movie he is alive due to dumb luck, earlier because he had not grown at all yet (which is partially done to show growth). Also, he did not capture the trident, you don't capture tridents.
That Venom promo case is just the case that xenon bulbs come in, the kind they use in film projectors (or used to). Can't believe Kevin the film guy never saw one before.
YES to a Batman Beyond live-action movie with Keaton back as Old Bruce. It doesn't even have to be a clear sequel to the Burton movies, just have little nods to various elements of Batman's history in all the movies and comics peppered throughout the Batcave in the form of his many trophies. Just the potential teaser for the movie would give you goosebumps - turn the show's intro into the first teaser trailer, complete with the theme song. Imagine being in a movie theater and that teaser hits the screen. It would blow your balls off.
Female directors ruled the 90s Penny Marshall, Nora Ephron, Penelope Spheris made some of the most memorable comedies of the 90s and Katherine Bigelow made one of the best action films of all time.
Who's got a link to Marc's review of Venom (here or written)? They mentioned it in this but I couldn't seem to find a post-release review by either of them.
I see peoples point about the whole arc thing, but what I saw as an arc was aquaman wanting to save the the people he didnt want them to die and he thinks he can walk in kick orms butt but he cant and he realizes he cant do it, he doesnt believe him self to be king but finding his mom again makes him see he needs to save his mom and the only way to get out is to take the trident. He doesnt think he deserves it and that made him righteous to take the trident his humility is his strength and finally while taking the trident and actually being able to take it while so many others couldnt makes him see what his mom and nudis vulko have always known he is the king
Donald Glover should play Eddie Murphy's son in coming to America 2, if they're really going with that next generation idea. If they decide the gender flip (which I would be totally fine with) and make it a daughter instead, I think it should be the actress playing MCU Shuri. Nuff said...
Being a writer Marc is way too biased towards the story element of movies. Some movies simply aren't about the story, they are just about the audio-visual experience, about the fun, about the beauty of it. A beautiful sunset, landscape etc. doesn't need a good story either! They are just beautiful on their own merits. Enjoy it for what it is instead of always trying to find the fly in the ointment... or bringing a fly with you, if there isn't any.
57:13...I’ve been saying this for years. With how nostalgic Hollywood and movie go’ers are these days, a Michael Keaton return to Batman is what the world (DC) needs today. It would likely never happen due to his role in Spider-Man these days but that role (and the Birdman movie) proved Keaton is physically and mentally ready to play the role yet again. With the right script and director (I’m guessing either Nolan returns or possibly lure M Night Shyamalan) this movie would dominate. Bring Michael Caine back as Alfred and cast two Villians-one as the main antagonist with the other in a supporting role to use in a potential sequel to this series. Jon Bernthal could play pretty much any villain well since he’s got both the acting chops and brings a level of physical bad-assery to pretty much any role. The other could be Christoph Waltz. Think about it...make it happen @kevinsmith!!
Every episode I have to take a moment to contemplate the incredible dynamic these two fuckers have. Kev and his optimism, Marc with his critic perspective. They both float good points on shit and just have a good time.
I disagree that Star Wars NEEDS to have a female or PoC director to tell a Star Wars story. I won't try to understand or say I do the inner working of Hollywood, but, as a fan, I don't care who writes or directs the next Star Wars story so long as it is a GOOD Star Wars story.
Hollywood most definitely needs to be open to more female directors and people of color. But someone shouldn’t be given a shot at say a Star Wars movie because of it. Pick whoever makes sense, whoever can make a good movie. Don’t overlook someone because they are a white male and ‘they’ve had it too good for too long’
@@Anthonycheesman33 I'm not against anybody directing a Star Wars film. So long as they can do it well. Nobody should be awarded a job based solely on what's between their legs or the color of their skin. They should be awarded it based on being the best for the job. Wonder Woman and Black Panther are good movies because their directors were good. Not because of their gender or skin color. Should women and PoC be given chances to direct big films like them? Of course! If they are good enough to do it though.
@@Anthonycheesman33 Point of view is one thing. You can throw a rock at a specific group and hit anybody who has the point of view you're looking for in that group. Talent is another thing though and Mark didn't specify talent. He only specified the point of view. The same characters from Black Panther were greatly portrayed in Infinity War and the director wasn't black. Wonder Woman was introduced in BvS and was in Justice League and her character was handled well by a two different men.
@@Anthonycheesman33 And what similar point of view does Lexi Alexander bring to Punisher: War Zone? I agree with Kevin that that movie is the most accurate portrayal of the character in live action including the Netflix series (I haven't watched Season 2 yet though). Aside from her background in martial arts and stunt work, what special point of view does she bring to a character like that?
What is the white (book? DVD?) that says, "Kevin Smith," on the bar in front of Kevin? "Kevin" is in red and "Smith" is black. It looks like there is a black and white image on the right side of the cover.
i think Marc needs to watch Aquaman again. He obviously doesn't remember the movie. Aquaman didnt know where Atlantis was, because he was never allowed to go. He learned that not everyone can talk to fish even Atlanteans, and with that ability combine with the trident he was able to unite most of the 7 kingdoms and become the fish god. What he learned was to forgive people that an eye for an eye isnt right (regretting killing Manta's father and letting his brother live also he cant run from what he was born to do) as far as a want. sort of right. he just wanted to protect his father and revenge on the atlanteans that had his mother killed. Later he wanted to protect the rest of the world form an atlantean war his brother will bring. at the end he wanted to reunite all his family
Samantha A. Obviously you were paying attention, unlike some people. Yes, he learned about mercy (among other things) - he let Black Manta's father die at the beginning of the movie, and spares Orm by the end of it!
Marc is so far off point for once... Aquaman is absolutely a different person by the end who had changed and better himself. Plus how can you even TRY to make that argument while LOVING Black Panther. He is the one that is exactly the same... beginning, middle, and end. Way more so than Aquaman.
He had the exact same criticism of Black Panther, although he still enjoyed the film overall. He still gave Aquaman is B-, which considering, isn’t a bad grade.
Kryptonite, if you had any kind of higher brain function you would be able to figure out that my statement wasn’t meant to be a persuasive. My statement was a simple observation that Marc was wrong. You’re a big boys or girls though so I figured someone could watch the movie and figure out for themselves why he was wrong this time... but what the fuck did I expect from the internet?
I'd argue Aquaman's hate for Atlantis due to his mother's execution was preventing him from becoming king, was resolved and changed Arthur's motivation to some extent.
I have to disagree with Marc here, Aquaman did have an arc in the movie. He let someone die and had to face the consequences of that. He does have a 'want' and most of all he had to take up a huge responsibility.
If i were to do a Back to the Future reboot, I could cast Matt Smith (Doctor Who) as Doc Brown, Maisie Williams (Game of Thrones) as Martina McFly, and Kevin Smith (yes YOU) as Biff.
Yes, we don't need diversity in movies that are already established. You can make a whole new movie about a girl that does something, but don't remake Classics and just change out the genders, it's insulting and tiresome at this point. If you want to make new movie with a great idea about a girl then that's fantastic. But don't steal our original stories and ruin them.
The funny thing about Marc's Aquaman gripes is that they are the same reasons I dislike Black Panther currently. Tchalla is the same from the start of the movie to the end. He didn't have a want in the movie. Both films went for the old ways has failed us so we must forge a new way plot. Aquaman nails it more so than Black Panther with the way the third act was handled. I bring up the comparison to Black Panther to highlight the similarities. Not saying that either is a bad/great movie that's up to your personal tastes.
marc needs to get rid of that condescending patronising tone. He was slightly nicer when he was a jobless, struggling writer. You'd think knowing how much works involved in making a film would make him a bit more lenient. kevins always good, criticism like marc's can be found round every corner
someone please take the plant in the background,and give it some tender care,poor plant getting ignored,or its a pot plant with mainline ,lst grow technique
Did I miss Kev talking about The Goldbergs? Besides briefly mentioning that he just got back from working on it and mentioning the idea of the kid playing a new Marty McFly?? Why put it in the title as a topic of discussion? Correct me if I'm wrong, I may have went to the potty room toilet bowl a couple of times.
Marc's analogy of Aquaman of him being the same person at the end of the movie as he was at the start but the same can be said for Black Panther which Marc always praises.
The power of Shazam includes the wisdom of Solomon, the strength of Hercules (superhuman strength on par with Superman), the stamina of Atlas, the power of Zeus (including near-invulnerability and lightning powers), the courage of Achilles, and the speed of Mercury (including flight)..... wikipedia.
I disagree with everything Marc Bernard says about Aquaman. He wants to help people, because he wants to help people he is willing to open up old wounds and confront the other part of his race who rejected him, because he is biracial, and not a full Atlantean. Aquaman is willing to put his own stubbornness aside to save lives and confront his other side of his race. By confronting his race in wanting to save lives, he learn his mom is still alive and learn to embrace his an Atlantean side in order to become king of Atlantis, and stop Orm. One of the many reason why Aquaman is successful is that Aquaman is a biracial character and does connect with a lot of its biracial audiences, who do have to deal with the other side of their race who do not see them as one of their own.
There should be women doing Star Wars films but the problem seems to be that the ones who are on the list of directors who can do a film of that size would rather do something either smaller or obviously female centric. I do see Reed Moreno doing one of the Star Wars films given she had a meeting like last year I will not be shocked if she directs the Weiss/Benioff first film in their trilogy or even Michelle Maclaren. Main thing Hollywood and producers need to do is stop supporting female filmmakers who decide to do these self indulgent shoe gazing films about a event in their lives that are autobiographical. Stop giving money and support to the Lena Dunhams of the film world. I would include also male filmmakers like this. Women genre filmmakers need to be fully embraced.
Its really exhausting seeing comments on videos like this now. People act like it’s wrong to be critical or simply not enjoy EVERYTHING. People, I know that “your” feelings are at stake, but NOT EVERYBODY IS INTO THE SAME SHIT AS YOU. just because Kevin says he loves everything now because he doesn’t know where his next job is coming from, it doesn’t mean Mark is a bad dude
Wow, the Silent Bob Funko Pop is selling for $200!!!! Kevin would be amazed if he knew that, I bet. Also, I saw a custom license plate recently that said "2Deavers". I don't know for sure it was referring to Castle Rock, but that was the first thing I thought of.
To anyone who wants to give marc shit, give me an example of aquaman’s character arc by telling me a) how his character is shown at the beginning, with evidence from the movie, b) how he is shown during the transition of his arc, with evidence from the movie, and c) how he is shown at the end of is arc, with evidence from the movie. I don’t believe anyone can do this, because aquaman did not have a character arc, and bringing up him feeling regret towards manta does not equal one. For example, in the start of wonder woman, she is shown to believe that ares is the cause of all evil, and she believes that all men are good if they are free of his corruption, this is her innocent naivety (a), then, once she meets steve, he mentions being a murderer and smuggler etc. And chief speaks about steve’s people stealing land from him, and wonder woman starts to see that people she believes to be good in this war are not as perfectly moral as she had thought, her and steve start to disagree on the belief that all men are good, a nice moment is when sammy speaks to diana about people fighting their own battles to be who they want to be (b), and lastly, at the end of the movie, through that compelling conversation with steve, Diana finally learns that evil and purity exist inside all men, and that it is a never ending battle, to be good. (C) this is the final part of her arc, where she decides to always try to fight for good. See, there are three distinct stages in her journey during the movie, so she has a character arc. I cannot do this same thing for aquaman, and I don’t think anyone can
57:13 Michael Keaton as Old Man Wayne in a live-action Batman Beyond movie is everything I could possibly want.
Hell yeah!
Gotta agree to a point but if Nolan came back in 10 yrs and it was Bale... that would be better imo
i want a stroll through arkham with cameos from arny's freeze, thermon's ivy, carrey's riddler, or jones' twoface (cause eckhart cant, but im open; nicholson's joker? devito's penguin? go ahead, 70yo actors still have it).
Nah, Kevin Conroy.
Kevin Conroy for the win. He's past the age to pay Batman, but old Bruce Wayne would be perfect -- elderly makeup and THAT VOICE! Plus it would keep the budget down...
Kev's unbridled optimism is refreshing and something to be admired especially in an overly cynical, instant gratification world but truth be told, I almost always agree with Marc's take on films because he views them through a lens of a writer and movie buff whereas Kevin's lens has 99% fanboy tint. I think it makes them a good combo though.
I can usually accept Marc's views as valid, but I'm generally more like Kevin. I know when a movie is terrible but I still enjoy it. Some of my favorite films are absolutely horrible movies when you break them down, but that doesn't make me like them any less.
@@Bad_Wolf_Media i can appreciate that. Sometimes I like to take my critic cap off and just enjoy a movie because it's just cool. Valerian comes to mind as far as recent films.
Personally I like to consider films or shows or novels or whatever on two grounds. Entertainment and story, separately, which is kind of what they do, Kev is all about the entertainment, Marc about the story. Some movies are entertaining, but there is not a lot behind them, it is just fun to watch. Sometimes the story is well told, makes sense, but it is not fun. And although Marc is frequently critical, that does not mean he dislikes something, or that he was not entertained, just that he found specific holes in the story, which I mean you will always find, nothing is perfect. Most comics are entertaining, but the story is kind of shit (largely due to the corporate structure I would say, every time Peter Parker has gotten some character growth over the last 20 years someone higher up hit a reset switch). There are some great comics that are good at both (Sandman and some Vertigo shit mostly), some of which can get close to not being entertaining but having good stories (individual issues of Lucifer that are building up to something spring to mind). So yeah, for me they make a great combo.
Marc must hate 99% of all the movies he watches.
@@seeteasea5497 Being critical and hating are not the same things. I like to be critical of what I watch/read/feel/taste, but I love a lot of it. And even if it is "bad" it can still be fun.
Ive been waiting for about 15 years for this
Same
I needed this. You guys became apart of my life routine. Dont make me wait like this again.
It's like you don't hear from your brother for just a couple of weeks too long, and he _finally_ drops by for a visit.
Good to see you back!
Man, they waited so long that the reviews are practically forgetful. Why not do the fresh, privatize it, and then place it in public at a later date?
ScreenX is not just the movie screen wrapped around, it is additionally filmed and unique footage projected on the left and right walls, it was *great* for the Wembley scene in Bohemian Rhapsody.
There only 4 in the world, and they all are in towns beginning with L;
LA, Las Vegas, London, and Liberty Missouri (where the family that pioneered it lives). A beautiful theater there!
Unique footage has to be filmed at the time the movie's being made, basically three cameras pointed 45 degrees apart from each other, and it kicks in during important parts of the film, like in Bohemian Rhapsody any scene that was at a concert or in a club, or overlooking a city or landscape it either fades in or wipes around the auditorium.
It's one of the few gimmicks I've gone to see that I thought that all movies going forward should be feeling like this...
So if Blank Manta has a character arc and Arthur Currie doesn't, does that make Black Manta the Protagonist of "Aquaman?"
Ryan Kraemer no.
Hey Black Manta is bad ass, he's got a justified rage/revenge arc
Having a character arc is not the definition of being a protagonist. Ideally, everyone in every story has a character arc, in reality only the good characters tend to though. Killmonger in Black Panther has the arguably better story arc than T'Challa (partially because T'Challa's is pretty limited and has things literally given to him, which is my general problem with BP, but Eric's is basically Hamlet's and that has stood up pretty well for 400 years), which is why he is an awesome villain and that is a great movie.
My idea for a modern update of back to the future would be...
Morty plays Marty
Rick plays Doc Brown
It's set in the 90's to maximise profit. Run the jewels sing the theme.
I thought Arthur grew quite a bit. He learns about the value of mercy, and he learns to grow beyond just being a blunt instrument/ talking with his fists.
Black Manta’s entire beef with him starts because Arthur refused to show mercy to Manta’s father. Later, when Mera tells him he has to confront Orm, he brushes her off and just says that whenever Orm DOES come to the surface, Arthur will treat him the same way the Atlanteans treated his mother - “with no mercy”.
Black Manta’s attack later in Sicily makes Arthur realize the consequences of his lack of mercy towards Manta’s father, which he talks about on the boat with Mera.
During that same talk, he tells Mera that he’s not fit to be king because he believes that the only thing he’s good at is “being a blunt instrument” and “talking with his anger and his fists”.
This is followed through when Arthur communicates with the sea monster guarding the trident. He tries using his fists first, and upon realizing that that won’t work, he reaches out and speaks to it. And he proves his worth not through fighting prowess, but through his humility and his desire to protect the people he cares about.
Then these two aspects of his arc come together in his final confrontation with Orm. He’s supposed to kill Orm to take the throne (Orm even says that “mercy isn’t the Atlantean way”), but Arthur refuses and shows him mercy anyway. And afterwards, he tells Orm that the two of them should talk when Orm is ready, showing how he’s grown beyond just “talking with his fists”.
As for what he wants - throughout the movie, Arthur seems to be stuck between land and sea, and is unsure of where he fits into either. After Mera has to betray her father/home to help him, Arthur says, “At least you have a home”, showing that he feels he doesn’t. In the end, by taking the throne, he’s found where he belongs - as ruler of Atlantis, to bridge land and sea.
So yeah. I’d say the writing for Arthur’s arc was actually one of the highlights of the movie for me. Like how great is it that his most ridiculed power (talking to fish) is his most important ability in the movie?
Aquaman has its faults, but Marc's argument is totally baseless.
1. Aquaman (the character) does want something. He wants to protect people. He's willing to put his life on the line, and use his skills and innate talents, to protect people. This is literally the impetus of the entire story. He challenges Black Manta to protect the sailors on the submarine. He challenges Orm in the first place to protect the land dwellers. He challenges the incomprehensible eldritch horror in the hidden sea to protect the land dwellers and the sea dwellers, and proves his worth literally by expressing his want to protect the beings of the land and sea, which leads me to point two, but first... He challenges Orm once again in order to protect all parties; the humans on the land under threat of destruction by Orm for existing, and the beings of the sea under threat of destruction by Orm for not joining him.
2. Aquaman does learn something, and it does change him, and it's the only reason he could win in the end. He learns that he's needed. He learns that he's wanted. This is important for a character who feels like an outcast in two different worlds. He also learns that not only CAN he be king, but he actually HAS to be. It's the only way he can truly save everyone, or really, anyone. Orm has to be deposed, and it has to be Arthur who does it. And then there's the fact that Orm beats him handily in their first meeting and he beats Orm in their second. Why is that? Well, it's because Aquaman LEARNED how to fight to his strengths, instead of his weaknesses. He learned how to know what he knows and know what he doesn't know. He learned how to not start off on the back foot, so to speak.
I respect Marc a lot, but he unfairly maligned Aquaman (the film) here.
Marc's claims to have base, half of your arguments don't.
1) I largely agree with your first point, I agree that he simply wants to help people throughout the movie, and it's nice to see a dc hero who just wants to help people, a favourable part of mine is when he saves the little girl from the falling debris by jumping into it. However WHY does he want to help people? The film has a general lack of motivation for his character from start to finish, he never really gives any indication of why he bothers at all, yes it's the right thing, but for a guy who's been hated and dissed his entire life, he at least needs some compelling reason to want to save people. Peter David's aquaman is my favourite run because in that there are times when he choses sea life over humans, and simply choses to save who he thinks in the right at the time. So yes I agree he does want to help, but no reason is given as to why.
2) I strongly disagree with you here. "He learns that he's needed", well he kind of new that from the start, the whole reason he went on the quest was because the world needed him to take the throne of Orm. "He learns that he's wanted", by whom? Mera? The people of Atlantis don't want him at all, in fact they show a real sense of hatred towards him when they first see him. "He learns that only he can be king" well yes, but Mera said that to him from the start lol, that revelation does not really change his character, don't get me wrong the speech from mera about being from 2 different worlds was nice, but it didnt change his character at all. "It's the only way he can save anyone", well that bullshit, did you not see the start of the movie, he was already saving people, he just needed to become king to avert a crisis and that's the point, he doesnt change as a person to become king or once he has, he just does and is the same as when he started.
Okay your last point made me laugh so much because it really is really ridiculous, he beat Orm because Mera literally said to him, "fight him on your turns, hint out of water", if you really think that was a deep character change then it just shows how poorly you understand character. It's not even as if he overcame his original arrogance too much, he literally just beat orm because they were out of water, and you think that's a character change?
So in conclusion, yes he wanted to help people, but through the holes and lack of real evidence in your argument you have simply proved that no he did not really change at all, and I love the movie and saw it four times.
It's amusing because after calling Marc's claims baseless you then argue with them with a completely shallow and subjective point.
Awaiting your response, peace
IceDragon978 There was an entire scene of Aquaman expressing remorse for the fact that he was the one who had MADE Black Manta by not saving the latter’s father.
He came to the realization that if he would have stepped up and saved black mantas dad, then maybe the two of them would have turned out differently. Aquaman realized that if he has the power to help people, but doesn’t, it makes him no better than Manta and people suffer.
He wants to help people because it’s the right thing to do, and that’s how he was raised.
He WANTS closure about his mom.
He WANTS to be better than the man who let Black Mantas's father die.
He WANTS to mend things between him and Orm at the end.
IceDragon978 he just be wanting to shit on stuff, a lot of the time!! Hatin ass!!
@@ComicsLamar 1) "There was an entire scene of Aquaman expressing remorse for the fact that he was the one who had MADE Black Manta by not saving the latter’s father" - expressing remorse for killing someone earlier is not a character arc is it. He only expressed that remorse because he could have been the reason Mera got hurt.
2) "Aquaman realized that if he has the power to help people, but doesn’t, it makes him no better than Manta and people suffer" - so are you saying his character arc was to not kill? because he kills people at the end of the movie lol, your scraping the bottom of the barrel here for actual character development, apart from a few lines of dialogue his character does not change at all really, I'll accept that he choses not to kill Orm but again that's not a characer arc.
3) You're assuming that is how he was raised, it may well be, but the movie should have showed it. Character motivations should happen on screen, he was bullied as a child for being different, so from what we have seen he would have no reason to help humans at all, why not have a scene where he uses his sea life control to harm one of the bullies, and then his father tells him of the responsibilities of his powers, and tells him to only use them to help people? That would have been far better than giving no clear reason for why he wants to help people.
4) Yes he wants closure about his mum, that's not a character arc
5) he has a few lines of dialogue of regret about letting manta's father die, do you really think that constitutes as a solid character arc? Seriously?
5) Yes he wants to mend things with orm lol, that is AGAIN NOT A CHARACTER ARC, he just sees more of orm's perspective and doesnt kill him.
If you're going to claim Arthur had a significant character arc, please provide actual evidence
@@K_patts8370 Shut up you cretin, I'm a huge dc fan, and I love aquaman, I'm just not a blind fan who doesnt have hopes for well written and character driven movies
Marc wouldn’t dare to say the same thing about Rey from the new Star Wars about not learning any thing though lol
Marc is someone I almost always agree with, but on Arthur Curry not having a journey, or want, or personal transformation, he's 100% wrong. Disappointed he didn't see it when they practically hit you over the head with it....
there's the movie telling you he went on a personal journey and then there's the movie showing you he went on a personal journey
I share Marc's opinion. His change is artificial and surface.
Vanderblade Except it’s not.
So what's the personal journey of black panther. Wonder woman, iron man. All great movies but barely if any personal journeys
@@lod15a Iron Man? What about the whole making and selling weapons to the government thing and changing his entire company's vision? From having no conscience to wanting to save the world? I'd say that's a pretty big journey?
I'd agree with the other two, although Wonder Woman did have a personal journey of sorts, it was just more about the loss of naivety and innocence than about growing as an individual. Mind you, Black Panther went from blindly following tradition to changing his entire country's stance on not sharing their knowledge, so there's a pretty big journey too, wouldn't you say?
Fun fact: The new Battlestar was written and produced by Ronald D. Moore, a former writer and producer of Star Trek, The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine. After a short hiatus on Voyager, he specifically did a concept for Battlestar that was Anti-Star Trek.
Who even needs sleep when I see this pop up in my notifications??
THANK YOU for the topic chapter time marks!!!!! Glad to see you both back again!
I think Marc’s Wrong about Arthur not learning anything. He learns he’s not a mistake in the way he thought he was when it seemed his mother was killed for having him.
Marc’s right about the lack of a Want though.
of course he is but his ego wont let him see that
Well, he was trained in secret to fight.. Aquaman that is, not Marc LOL
He WANTS to help people.
He WANTS closure about his mom.
He WANTS to be better than the man who let Black Mantas's father die.
He WANTS to mend things between him and his brother at the end.
Marc's opinions on movies has always been shit.
I think it was the inverse of a want. From vehemently NOT wanting to be King, to embracing that destiny after he discovers what it is to be a Hero. Surely that is just as valid story-wise as the fulfillment of a want? Not every story has to follow the same formula, right? Agree with you about what he learns - and in addition he also learns the value of grace and forgiveness, when he expresses regret over not saving Back Manta's father. So yeah, Marc was completely wrong on all levels there, I reckon.
Kevin Smith's comments about Batman v Superman is about how I feel about it and I laughed so hard XD
Arthur wants nothing to do with his heritage.
Arthur needs to accept his heritage.
Because with great power comes great responsibility, and in the end, when he talks to the Kraken he reveals that he finally accepted this, not because he wants, but because that is what the needs to do. But he accepts it himself.
Shallow? Yeah, or at least not very fleshed out, but it is still somewhat of that journey, isn't it? Arthur is different at the end of the movie, compared to the beginning. Not totally different, but a little bit. And are those little changes not a typical thing for comic book heroes?
Well put, agree 100%. Arthur is different enough that he changes his shirt. New one is all royal and shit. And for good comic book stories, the changes tend to be a little more. Like Peter Parker has had probably dozens of bigger changes over the years (many of which get reset periodically because there is a perception among Marvel management that Peter only works as a loser who wants things, when he has job security and a marriage it's all screwed, apparently). Notably though he changes from being okay with criminals that don't mess with him to fighting any criminal, anywhere, over pretty much anything, which comes from that one criminal he was okay with killing Uncle Ben. Off the top of my head Bats, the X-Men, Animal Man, Sandman, Swamp Thing, Namor, the FF, the Avengers, they all have stories with significantly more character growth and changes. Many of them have one shots with more, and that is arguably the point of some of the Vertigo stuff (Sandman is kind of "change or die, and changing is a form of death" at it's core), Lucifer is probably the Vertigo guy that changes the least, although when we meet him (in an issue of Sandman) he does change and leaves Hell, but then he is mostly following plans that he and God had set out in opposition to each other millennia ago. One of the beauties of Lucifer is actually how things that happen in the first couple issues, or in the mini-series runs from before the series started properly, that show up again later on and all tie together. And one of the points of that character is that he does not really get changed by external forces, he is above that, if he changes it is due to something internal, he wants his wings back because NOW they suit his plans. But he does not experience a lot of character growth, he is too arrogant to let that happen, still who he is in Sandman and who he is in Lucifer 75 (Sandman and the spinoffs all went for 75 issues) are more different than who Arthur is at the start and who he becomes at the end of the movie.
Marc , we obviously watched different Aquaman movies. He did have a want, he wanted to not be king. He wanted his mother back. He got some wants realized and became a king .... that will want to know how to be the best king he can be.
Arthur Curry's want is to be allowed to exist. In Atlantis he's referred to as a half-breed. On land he's picked on due to his Atlantan abilities. His existence is his ability to communicate to both sides. The skill that made Aquaman a joke for so long, to communicate to fish, is used amazingly in this film. His land skills allow him and Mera to dive thru the trench, what Atlantans believed to be a sea of savages, only to find that untouched paradise and his mother. Land and sea now have a means of communication thru Arthur. He even spares Orm's life and offers to talk to him once things settle down. The hero's journey doesn't have to be so literal or done only one way....
ShelbyBaby27 yh but most of the things you mentioned are just referenced once and then immediately dropped without any real depth. He’s called a half breed but how does it ever actually impact him throughout the movie? Id doesnt, they call him that during the fight and then later they all cheer for him without any kind of revelation. And he barely used his ability to communicate with sea life, he uses it like 3 times in the movie. Again yes land and sea now have communication through him, another idea that is mentioned in the movie, but the concept is literally just mentioned as a passing comment, it has no impact or actual part in the movie, in terms of aquaman’s character the movie had flaws, it was good but dont mention all these shallow points pretending it’s got the depth of shakespeare
No one picks on Arthur on land. Kids picked on him, when he was a kid. They did that to me too, and if I am being honest I picked on people too. Don't make me an alien with super powers, just part of being a kid for most people. As for "literal or done only one way" I have no idea what you mean by literal, because a you literally just described a literal hero's journey and no one said anything about it being done one way, but they choices they made were far from original on that side of things, most of the movie is Last Crusade mixed in with the Sword in the Stone. From a literally pov, "want to be allowed to exist" is not a want. I want to breath, here I am breathing, this is something I am already doing and existing with no outside problems is something Arthur is also doing, along with breathing. The complaint is that he has no ambition, no drive, no goal. The goals and ambitions he achieves in the film are not his own, they are ones that were given to him, we have lots of great stories about people GIVING UP the goals and ambitions that were given to them, people who don't want to fulfill destiny. He has less drive to do something that The Dude from Big Lebowski, if that wave had of hit anywhere where he or a loved one was not he would have just kept on doing his own thing, not unlike how I will stay in bed all day unless something pushes me out.
Also, "untouched paradise" is kind of a stretch for the pocket dimension where the Cthonic monster (literally Cthonic, the space itself is actually towards the centre of the Earth) and the trident are located. I would call it a Hell-like-paradise, considering the giant monster and shit, but that is me.
Aquaman does change throughout the movie. He wants a place in the world, he gets that in the movie. He changes in the way he deals with his enemies. He allows Black Manta's father to die but spares Orm at the end. He learns communication, he uses his power to speak with fish not only to stop the War, but tells Orm when he's ready, they'll talk. Marc missed so much. I feel like he went in with negative thoughts.
How about that MK11 reveal huh?
I was gonna go to bed, but.... No this instead!
Good to have you guys back. Challenging my comic book knowledge as always this was a great show.
1:24:00 oh my goooood, who caaaaares?!?
Keep on putting more time laps for Fatman Beyond. It's really helpful.
Literally, the last scene in Venom, Carnage shows up, and I can hear Kevin Smith’s voice in my head. The Kevin Smith voice, clear as day, says, “ Why the F**k aren’t we watching the Carnage vs. Venom movie?”
Looooove red state Kevin make something similar to that again
I usually love Marc's insight but he was so wrong about Aquaman. The beginning of the movie Aquaman does not show Manta's father mercy but he learns it and spares his brother. Also Aquaman learns to accept himself which is the significance of the special move he uses at the end to show he has accepted the truth within himself and found strength there.
A sequel to Coming to America, I'm waiting for a sequel to The Gods Must Be Crazy!
It already has two sequels?
Is it me or is that intro way to loud?
Hello super tall spider-woman.
I feel like Arthur did learn in that movie. At the beginning he doesn't wanna be anyone important and just wants to be left alone, and by the time he faces down the Kraken and emerges from the Waterfall with the trident, I certainly felt that he'd become something more. He started out as a man with powers, and by the end he embraces the mantle of responsibility that comes with being a super-hero.
Holy shit! Did Mark just write Back to the Future: Into the Multi-Verse?!!!
Gotta disagree w/ Marc, Arthur Curry (Aquaman) DOES evolve during the course of the film. He's not the same guy he was from Justice League. After he captures the trident, he becomes more humbled and responsible for Atlantis as well as the other Kingdoms. An "irresponsible and in compassionate" Aquaman would have killed Black Manta and Orm, but he learned from his mistakes.
Not that I disagree, but your example is "now I have a magic stick and clothes, I am going to be a better person. Conveniently this character growth is occurring right before the climatic fight in which it will be relevant at the end of". That is the definition of pretty shallow character development. And Black Manta being alive has nothing to do with that, later in the movie he is alive due to dumb luck, earlier because he had not grown at all yet (which is partially done to show growth). Also, he did not capture the trident, you don't capture tridents.
That Venom promo case is just the case that xenon bulbs come in, the kind they use in film projectors (or used to). Can't believe Kevin the film guy never saw one before.
57:00 was the best part. Apparently it was the first time Kevin Smith heard the idea of bringing Keaton back in Batman Beyond.
YES to a Batman Beyond live-action movie with Keaton back as Old Bruce. It doesn't even have to be a clear sequel to the Burton movies, just have little nods to various elements of Batman's history in all the movies and comics peppered throughout the Batcave in the form of his many trophies. Just the potential teaser for the movie would give you goosebumps - turn the show's intro into the first teaser trailer, complete with the theme song. Imagine being in a movie theater and that teaser hits the screen. It would blow your balls off.
What the hell, why is "Venom" not in the title? Literally the first 15-20 minutes.
Thumbs up for the Galactica Jerkoff!
Female directors ruled the 90s Penny Marshall, Nora Ephron, Penelope Spheris made some of the most memorable comedies of the 90s and Katherine Bigelow made one of the best action films of all time.
Who's got a link to Marc's review of Venom (here or written)? They mentioned it in this but I couldn't seem to find a post-release review by either of them.
Tanner looks like a kid from a 80s adventure movie
The Bumble Bee movie is freaking AWESOME
I see peoples point about the whole arc thing, but what I saw as an arc was aquaman wanting to save the the people he didnt want them to die and he thinks he can walk in kick orms butt but he cant and he realizes he cant do it, he doesnt believe him self to be king but finding his mom again makes him see he needs to save his mom and the only way to get out is to take the trident. He doesnt think he deserves it and that made him righteous to take the trident his humility is his strength and finally while taking the trident and actually being able to take it while so many others couldnt makes him see what his mom and nudis vulko have always known he is the king
Holy f-en A, I'm so glad you guys are back! We have missed you so so much!
Donald Glover should play Eddie Murphy's son in coming to America 2, if they're really going with that next generation idea. If they decide the gender flip (which I would be totally fine with) and make it a daughter instead, I think it should be the actress playing MCU Shuri.
Nuff said...
Being a writer Marc is way too biased towards the story element of movies. Some movies simply aren't about the story, they are just about the audio-visual experience, about the fun, about the beauty of it. A beautiful sunset, landscape etc. doesn't need a good story either! They are just beautiful on their own merits. Enjoy it for what it is instead of always trying to find the fly in the ointment... or bringing a fly with you, if there isn't any.
p.s.: I miss Mimi Leder making movies. The Peacemaker and Deep Impact both were great movies.
57:13...I’ve been saying this for years. With how nostalgic Hollywood and movie go’ers are these days, a Michael Keaton return to Batman is what the world (DC) needs today. It would likely never happen due to his role in Spider-Man these days but that role (and the Birdman movie) proved Keaton is physically and mentally ready to play the role yet again. With the right script and director (I’m guessing either Nolan returns or possibly lure M Night Shyamalan) this movie would dominate. Bring Michael Caine back as Alfred and cast two Villians-one as the main antagonist with the other in a supporting role to use in a potential sequel to this series. Jon Bernthal could play pretty much any villain well since he’s got both the acting chops and brings a level of physical bad-assery to pretty much any role. The other could be Christoph Waltz. Think about it...make it happen @kevinsmith!!
Every episode I have to take a moment to contemplate the incredible dynamic these two fuckers have. Kev and his optimism, Marc with his critic perspective. They both float good points on shit and just have a good time.
Kevin blazed af lol
Jesus i hope zemeckis never gives up the rights to back to the future. I don't want BTTF sullied
You two should work together and write a script to bring the Batman Beyond with Michael Keaton to life
I love it when Kev mistakenly says Fatman on Batman instead of Fatman Beyond, I laugh my ass off 😂🤣😂🤣. It’s totally what I would do too.
Happy new year Kevin and marc you guys are the best.
I disagree that Star Wars NEEDS to have a female or PoC director to tell a Star Wars story. I won't try to understand or say I do the inner working of Hollywood, but, as a fan, I don't care who writes or directs the next Star Wars story so long as it is a GOOD Star Wars story.
If anyone thinks gender or skin colour makes a difference then they are part of the problem.
Hollywood most definitely needs to be open to more female directors and people of color. But someone shouldn’t be given a shot at say a Star Wars movie because of it. Pick whoever makes sense, whoever can make a good movie. Don’t overlook someone because they are a white male and ‘they’ve had it too good for too long’
@@Anthonycheesman33 I'm not against anybody directing a Star Wars film. So long as they can do it well. Nobody should be awarded a job based solely on what's between their legs or the color of their skin. They should be awarded it based on being the best for the job. Wonder Woman and Black Panther are good movies because their directors were good. Not because of their gender or skin color. Should women and PoC be given chances to direct big films like them? Of course! If they are good enough to do it though.
@@Anthonycheesman33 Point of view is one thing. You can throw a rock at a specific group and hit anybody who has the point of view you're looking for in that group. Talent is another thing though and Mark didn't specify talent. He only specified the point of view. The same characters from Black Panther were greatly portrayed in Infinity War and the director wasn't black. Wonder Woman was introduced in BvS and was in Justice League and her character was handled well by a two different men.
@@Anthonycheesman33 And what similar point of view does Lexi Alexander bring to Punisher: War Zone? I agree with Kevin that that movie is the most accurate portrayal of the character in live action including the Netflix series (I haven't watched Season 2 yet though). Aside from her background in martial arts and stunt work, what special point of view does she bring to a character like that?
What is the white (book? DVD?) that says, "Kevin Smith," on the bar in front of Kevin? "Kevin" is in red and "Smith" is black. It looks like there is a black and white image on the right side of the cover.
Watching every episode of BSG with Tricia Helfer seems like it would be super awkward.
Marc with Lexi Alexander was pretty painful. The dude can’t read the room.
How great, that Fitzcarraldo is known in the Cantina! Deep cuts - love you guys!
I do think Arthur learned the value of sparing an enemy at the end of the movie.
i think Marc needs to watch Aquaman again. He obviously doesn't remember the movie. Aquaman didnt know where Atlantis was, because he was never allowed to go. He learned that not everyone can talk to fish even Atlanteans, and with that ability combine with the trident he was able to unite most of the 7 kingdoms and become the fish god. What he learned was to forgive people that an eye for an eye isnt right (regretting killing Manta's father and letting his brother live also he cant run from what he was born to do)
as far as a want. sort of right. he just wanted to protect his father and revenge on the atlanteans that had his mother killed. Later he wanted to protect the rest of the world form an atlantean war his brother will bring. at the end he wanted to reunite all his family
Didn't Aquaman learn about mercy?
Samantha A. Obviously you were paying attention, unlike some people. Yes, he learned about mercy (among other things) - he let Black Manta's father die at the beginning of the movie, and spares Orm by the end of it!
Futureman is already like the new BTTF.
Oh my god that Venom Brisk Iced Tea.
Marc is so far off point for once... Aquaman is absolutely a different person by the end who had changed and better himself. Plus how can you even TRY to make that argument while LOVING Black Panther. He is the one that is exactly the same... beginning, middle, and end. Way more so than Aquaman.
He said this in his Black Panther review also.
He had the exact same criticism of Black Panther, although he still enjoyed the film overall. He still gave Aquaman is B-, which considering, isn’t a bad grade.
Black Panther had his change in Civil War. The Black Panther movie was about introducing us to the world of wakanda and the people that populate it.
stating that he is "absolutely a different person" is not persuasive writing... but what the fuck did i expect from the internet?
Kryptonite, if you had any kind of higher brain function you would be able to figure out that my statement wasn’t meant to be a persuasive. My statement was a simple observation that Marc was wrong. You’re a big boys or girls though so I figured someone could watch the movie and figure out for themselves why he was wrong this time... but what the fuck did I expect from the internet?
I'd argue Aquaman's hate for Atlantis due to his mother's execution was preventing him from becoming king, was resolved and changed Arthur's motivation to some extent.
They spent the homecoming money lol
I have to disagree with Marc here, Aquaman did have an arc in the movie.
He let someone die and had to face the consequences of that. He does have a 'want' and most of all he had to take up a huge responsibility.
My favorite thing about Coming to America 2 was the possibility of Charlie Murphy getting a role :'-( RIP
If i were to do a Back to the Future reboot, I could cast Matt Smith (Doctor Who) as Doc Brown, Maisie Williams (Game of Thrones) as Martina McFly, and Kevin Smith (yes YOU) as Biff.
Octopus drummer. Growling sharks, then Octopus drummer. Oh OK, this is just a lark.
Marcs back to the Future sounds awful lol
Yes, we don't need diversity in movies that are already established. You can make a whole new movie about a girl that does something, but don't remake Classics and just change out the genders, it's insulting and tiresome at this point. If you want to make new movie with a great idea about a girl then that's fantastic. But don't steal our original stories and ruin them.
thank god we're back. i was starting to worry. whew!!!
Congratulations Marc!
Kev literally can't go an episode without taking a stab at the DCU movies, all of which he's said publicly that he likes.
The funny thing about Marc's Aquaman gripes is that they are the same reasons I dislike Black Panther currently. Tchalla is the same from the start of the movie to the end. He didn't have a want in the movie. Both films went for the old ways has failed us so we must forge a new way plot. Aquaman nails it more so than Black Panther with the way the third act was handled. I bring up the comparison to Black Panther to highlight the similarities. Not saying that either is a bad/great movie that's up to your personal tastes.
marc needs to get rid of that condescending patronising tone. He was slightly nicer when he was a jobless, struggling writer. You'd think knowing how much works involved in making a film would make him a bit more lenient. kevins always good, criticism like marc's can be found round every corner
someone please take the plant in the background,and give it some tender care,poor plant getting ignored,or its a pot plant with mainline ,lst grow technique
Kevin you're just an outstanding person. Marc I love you too. Please be in charge of writing more franchise films!
I'VE FUCKING MISSED THIS SO MUCH...
Did I miss Kev talking about The Goldbergs? Besides briefly mentioning that he just got back from working on it and mentioning the idea of the kid playing a new Marty McFly?? Why put it in the title as a topic of discussion? Correct me if I'm wrong, I may have went to the potty room toilet bowl a couple of times.
Marc's analogy of Aquaman of him being the same person at the end of the movie as he was at the start but the same can be said for Black Panther which Marc always praises.
Marc Bourcier he did mention once that was one flaw with it
The power of Shazam includes the wisdom of Solomon, the strength of Hercules (superhuman strength on par with Superman), the stamina of Atlas, the power of Zeus (including near-invulnerability and lightning powers), the courage of Achilles, and the speed of Mercury (including flight)..... wikipedia.
If Dark Phoenix hits theatres and X-Force doesn't... smh. One will help a brand & one will hurt it.
Season 3 of travelers was one of the best seasons last year. Hands down
I disagree with everything Marc Bernard says about Aquaman. He wants to help people, because he wants to help people he is willing to open up old wounds and confront the other part of his race who rejected him, because he is biracial, and not a full Atlantean. Aquaman is willing to put his own stubbornness aside to save lives and confront his other side of his race. By confronting his race in wanting to save lives, he learn his mom is still alive and learn to embrace his an Atlantean side in order to become king of Atlantis, and stop Orm. One of the many reason why Aquaman is successful is that Aquaman is a biracial character and does connect with a lot of its biracial audiences, who do have to deal with the other side of their race who do not see them as one of their own.
You’re back!!
Welcome back, gentlemen!!! Great analogy Mark about the Aquaman and the other films and the Lee Buckett mentioned.
THE BOYS ARE BACK!
There should be women doing Star Wars films but the problem seems to be that the ones who are on the list of directors who can do a film of that size would rather do something either smaller or obviously female centric. I do see Reed Moreno doing one of the Star Wars films given she had a meeting like last year I will not be shocked if she directs the Weiss/Benioff first film in their trilogy or even Michelle Maclaren.
Main thing Hollywood and producers need to do is stop supporting female filmmakers who decide to do these self indulgent shoe gazing films about a event in their lives that are autobiographical. Stop giving money and support to the Lena Dunhams of the film world. I would include also male filmmakers like this. Women genre filmmakers need to be fully embraced.
Its really exhausting seeing comments on videos like this now. People act like it’s wrong to be critical or simply not enjoy EVERYTHING. People, I know that “your” feelings are at stake, but NOT EVERYBODY IS INTO THE SAME SHIT AS YOU. just because Kevin says he loves everything now because he doesn’t know where his next job is coming from, it doesn’t mean Mark is a bad dude
I literally paused this episode to find the Battlestar galacticast.
My favorite episode was the final episode of The Americans.
Wow, the Silent Bob Funko Pop is selling for $200!!!! Kevin would be amazed if he knew that, I bet. Also, I saw a custom license plate recently that said "2Deavers". I don't know for sure it was referring to Castle Rock, but that was the first thing I thought of.
Finally it's 12am now imma stay up and listen
Venom fulfills Marc's "requirements" for a superhero movie.
Luke from Modern Family as Marty McFly
To anyone who wants to give marc shit, give me an example of aquaman’s character arc by telling me a) how his character is shown at the beginning, with evidence from the movie, b) how he is shown during the transition of his arc, with evidence from the movie, and c) how he is shown at the end of is arc, with evidence from the movie. I don’t believe anyone can do this, because aquaman did not have a character arc, and bringing up him feeling regret towards manta does not equal one.
For example, in the start of wonder woman, she is shown to believe that ares is the cause of all evil, and she believes that all men are good if they are free of his corruption, this is her innocent naivety (a), then, once she meets steve, he mentions being a murderer and smuggler etc. And chief speaks about steve’s people stealing land from him, and wonder woman starts to see that people she believes to be good in this war are not as perfectly moral as she had thought, her and steve start to disagree on the belief that all men are good, a nice moment is when sammy speaks to diana about people fighting their own battles to be who they want to be (b), and lastly, at the end of the movie, through that compelling conversation with steve, Diana finally learns that evil and purity exist inside all men, and that it is a never ending battle, to be good. (C) this is the final part of her arc, where she decides to always try to fight for good. See, there are three distinct stages in her journey during the movie, so she has a character arc. I cannot do this same thing for aquaman, and I don’t think anyone can
How are you not talking about young justice coming back 3 years after its cancellation?
Holy battlestar galacticast what a great idea.
Super entertaining... Oh, Look! You two do have a "Super Power"! Thanks. All Love
GIVE mark money to make spinoff of back to the future! his idea is AWSOME! and he made it up in seconds! talent! so jealous