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- čas přidán 22. 12. 2018
- Kevin Smith and Marc Bernardin return to the original Fat Cave in Kevin's house to review and discuss Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse.
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This movie is a love letter to literally everyone. It has no right to be so good.
@@Zvwry Rotten Tomatoes aggregates movie-critic opinion, and that's certainly been divergent from public opinion before.
Not everyone is gonna like it, and that's fine; it's pretty out there--but I think the mediocre box office is less from people being disappointed by the movie, and more from people who are not big comics nerds not being sure they want to see the movie in the first place. I notice it had a modest opening weekend but has held up pretty well over the Christmas break. I was skeptical myself until I started hearing a lot of wildly laudatory word of mouth.
It's a difficult movie to market; it's thoroughly established by now that live-action superhero movies can be mainstream hits, and Pixar/Disney-style cartoons (even if they have superheroes!) can be mainstream hits. But most of the general public still seems to think of animated comics adaptations as niche kid stuff, a lesser product than the live-action movies that is intended for TV or direct to video. Putting Spider-Ham in the trailers probably didn't help with that.
Also, Spider-Man himself is a bit overexposed at this point, since they brought a fairly successful version of the character into the MCU. Most people aren't hungering for more Spider-Man. There's a certain barrier to overcome of "no, this movie is really worth seeing even if you're not that into Spider-Man right now."
And I've heard some people wondering if they'll be able to follow it if they haven't seen the movies with Tom Holland (though in reality there's no significant connection; Spider-Verse only really references the Tobey Maguire ones, and those as in-jokes).
...The other movie like this right now, only even more so, is Bumblebee. I actually haven't seen Bumblebee but I'm kind of fascinated by the reception it's gotten: amazingly positive critical reception ("what? a GOOD Transformers movie?"), weird positive word of mouth comparing it to things like The Shape of Water, a downright weak opening weekend that seemed to establish it as a flop, but those numbers held up all through the past week instead of petering out to nothing, so maybe it'll make money.
@@MattMcIrvin Funnily enough i'm actually a life long Transformer fan and I despised the Michael Bay movies but Bumblebee is so good and it gets so much right right off the bat. Immediately in the opening scene it looked like actual real Transformers, the kind I expected in 2007. I recognized every character from design alone immediately. It was so cool how it was done.
Wish they'd just reboot the whole thing and drop anything to do with Bay.
@@wj6604 Box office may not be huge but the overall reception by those who did see the movie is hugely positive. If you didn't like it obviously that's your right, people like what they like. But the overwhelming majority of critics and fans has been great.
IKSRTFO MF Fight Club also flopped in ticket sales. Box office is not really a way to rate the quality and cultural significance of art. Unless you are a movie executive, off course.
You missed recaping Aunt Mays best line, where she sees the new Peter Parker and says "You look tired" and schluby Peter says "I am tired". Because yes he's tired, in general, and it was very sweet to me for her of all people to acknowledge that
That melted my heart. That Aunt May was incredible.
I also noticed she said "oh great, it's Liv' when Doc Oc showed up at her house. They clearly know each other in this universe.
Even Peter Prime said "I'm so tired" when he was fighting Green Goblin
Also, they've both buried each other.
@@Vespuchian and apparently, were friends. Dare I say partners?
1:43:00 btw One of my favorite blink-and-you'll-miss-it moments is when Miles shows up to save the day at the end, and Peter is all "That was amazing, I'm so proud of you! Wait, do I want kids?" XD
Jefferson is Mile's natural dad. Miles uses his mom's last name.
Miles Davis would be weird.
@@17geoff only as weird as a black man named Jefferson Davis.
@Mike Noir some hispanic families use both last names..miles jones morales ...its usually cultural
DELTABOY04 we use both last names but is always father’s last name first.
@@rmirandagrajales true
Omg, that Stan Lee cameo made me bawl.
Samantha Davidson the best cameo of all time. So emotional.
Lee & Ditko's special thanks end tags after the pre-credits.
Just beautiful.
"We were friends you know..."with miles lookin at him like he KNEW this man talkin to him was someone special...then stan hit em with the suit line...never even saw dude in person... not once... And yet i missed him the instant that damn cameo showed up...cryin like a lil girl in the cinema for a man i never met. why? Stan Lee created my First ever favourite superhero.. And then spidey dies and stans pops up and lets the next gen and that spidey and him were friends. And in his own cheeky way let em know he believes in them too, that they CAN and WILL "fit the suit eventually".then you remember stan is gone...he was a unique human being..we wont see his like again..
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2018 was a great year for superhero movies with Black Panther, Avengers: Infinity War, Deadpool 2, Incredibles 2, Ant-Man and the Wasp, Venom, and Aquaman. Spider-Man Into the Spider-Verse was the best of the year. So unique & amazing.
I thought that Venom wasn't good?
@@DC3893 I'm one of the folks who liked it like Kevin. It's not great, but it's better than most DC movies.
@@GarthMcMurray I know two people that saw Venom: One said it was the dumbest superhero movie he's seen in years and the other said it was freaking awesome. Regardless, it did quite well at the box office and a sequel is in the works already as a consequence.
Venom was AMAZING!
@@JustWasted3HoursHere Venom isn't a Super Hero... Anti-hero/Villain. Not true evil like Carnage, though.
I loved how the movie made Miles earn being Spiderman. When it finally comes together it was akin to the feeling when Neo became the one in The Matrix the first time I saw it.
Nah, ho
At 24:50 Marc, you discuss Miles's need. His need is community. When he's in Brooklyn he's fist bumpin'. The girls notice him. At the Visions school he's invisible. At the end of the movie, as Spiderman, saving the day, he's fist bumping and the neighborhood hero. Need fulfilled.
I would disagree. I would say his need was to fulfill his potential. Throughout the entire movie he is holding himself back. This is represented in the symbolic gesture of him not tying his shoe. He is told his shoe is untied to which he replies "I know" and doesn't tie it. This results in him tripping off of the building during his first attempt to be Spider-Man. Also the fact that he didn't want to go to the good school that would give him more opportunities. That's what Aaron meant when he told him "you're the best of all of us" and "you just need to keep going". And after his father speaks to him from the other side of the door he realizes this and is finally able to reach his full potential.
@@Brandon_Powell i would agree but i think you both are missing something as well. I think his journey is about carrying the weight of expectations that are on him, particularly the expectations from his father which he feels are tighting controlling who he can become. In the normal school and neighborhood he is able to be himself and be seen.
At the visions academy he is overwhelmed with the expectations of his family, of the teachers etc. It's why his tag says "no expectations". He wants to be able to define himself but he feels all these competing pressures from outside sources. Note that his initial attempts at being spiderman all have him wearing someone else's suit. He's still trying to fulfill an expectation(this time its the dead peter's). His uncle's dying words as well as the words from his dad finally allow him to feel at peace. His uncle encourages him to continue following his own path and his father gives him his blessing to do so.
That love and support gives him the freedom to define for himself who he wants to be. Where all the previous times he tried to demo his powers he was under pressure, when in the chair after his dad leaves all the pressure is gone. He then goes and takes the spider-man suit and make it his own. Arc completed
@@belakthrillby on point my dude
His super power of turning invisible is an extension of this. Really cool way of incorporating that into the story.
Let's not confuse 'wants' with 'needs'.
Loved Into the Spiderverse. I could watch Miles and Hobo Peter every day. This might be the best comic book movie to date because it felt like I was reading a good TPB.
This movie felt like a good TPB. That is such a great description!
NeedfulThings I second that🤙🏽
When Stan said "I miss him already" it choked me out, and got to me.
I burst into tears when he said that the suit fits eventually if it's everybody saying that Spider-Man could be anybody up under that mask
It was "I'm gonna miss him."
No mention of Aunt May's best moment: "Oh great. It's Liv."
I desperately want to know more about this. Co-workers? Mentor? Had a fling in college?
In the 616 universe Doc Ock and Aunt May dated for a while. Maybe same happened in the film's universe.
In the 616 universe, they got MARRIED.
especially as Doc Oc say s her FRIENDS call her Liv.
It deemed like she was that blonde spiderman's Q, she said she made miles shooters and was very knowledgeable about the base. So she might have been a coworker with liv in that universe.
The explanation:
They are both like mother and co-workers, more casual than not, but still about to watch the" kids" go play rough with each other. Aside from knowing their respective role in this conflict, Liv know what Parker's death means to Aunt May and said aunt May either understand, or just know that Doc Oc wasn't directly responsible for this universe's Spider-Man's death. Just like when 616 Peter Parker rang her doorbell, Aunt May has brought a baseball bat, yet she has full awareness of her Peter's arsenal, so she knows that bat made of wood is purely for show, "Liv" knows it too and besides a few wacks at the Scorpion, neither really want to harm the other. Liv ain't *that* evil, (Aunt May is literally mourning her beloved Peter Parker), yet Aunt May has no interest in direct confrontation with the one person wanting to leave her relatively "out of this". So in short: they kept going along "knowing" but "doing nothing about it" until Peter Parker died and visibly, Liv did respect, like and/or understand Aunt May enough to leave her alive, if not 100% unaffected by the conflict.
Remember: Doc Oc wasn't unaware of the "Batcave" and she's only keeping tabs because she has to, meaning without her boss say so, she'd be fine leaving Aunt May to grieve, period. My two cents.
Anyone is/was free to read and disagree. I'm not even sure I'm schpellyng things right.
You guys give me confidence than even when I am 50, its still okay to love these movies the same way I did when I was a kid
I hope Stan got to see this whole movie.
Who else listened to the whole 2:01:29? Stay up friends.
Samuel M Cohen huh!? Why wouldn’t you?
That's kind of the point of podcasts, dude.
I made it to 1:13😋
Samuel M Cohen I made it to 10 minutes in. They were spoiling the whole movie , so I went and watched the actual movie. I gotta say, sticking with the podcast would have been better. They make the movie sound way more awesome than it actually is.
Listened to it, thought it over, starting it again. I can’t just keep watching the film over and over but I can think and talk and listen about it all day ;)
48:21 Dude I was in tears at that scene too because when Stan said "we were friends, you know?" I thought to myself "If I were standing in front of him right now, hearing the same line, I would say that 'He saved my life.'" Because he did. I had so much tragedy in my life growing up and a Spider-Man comic book was always there. He's one of the reasons why I'm an artist myself. He's one of the reasons why I try to be as responsible as I can be for the people around me. Out of anyone in my dysfunctional household, I got my education in making those hard choices from Spider-Man comics. It was like having a fictional older brother that I always looked to to remind myself I wasn't the only one that went through these social problems, school problems, girl problems, money problems. Spider-Man is my hero and that's never changed. And I did cry at that point. Because it did feel like my hero had died. It hit me harder because, like you, this was coming from Stan. This was coming from the guy that created him with Steve Ditko. Seeing that was such a punch to the gut. It didn't matter if he was blonde haired or red haired or even bald. Spider-Man is Spider-Man. Anyone can wear the mask. The fact that a fictional characters feel this real, confect someone this much, is a testament to how well the character has been handled for the past 60 years and how on point Stan and Steve were in crafting him all those years ago. They may have gotten the concept of the powers in the costume from a jack Kirby but Peter Parker's world were all Stan and Steve's. He's the hero that we can relate to. As Mary Jane said at the funeral, we are all Spider-Man.
One of my favorite memories of all time, of seeing a movie in theaters, was at the Prowler reveal, a bunch of people gasped, but the dude in front of me, a FULLY GROWN MAN, gasped, "Uncle Aaron, NO!!"
This movie MOVED people, myself included. It's so damn GOOD.
There’s a hint that she’s spider Gwen when his hand is stuck in her hair and she goes “relax your hand” and later when he’s stuck on the light above Peter Parker in the lab Peter goes “relax your hands” because he knows how to control his stickiness, alluding back to when Wanda says it that she also knows.
She was also super casual when she sees him stuck/climbing outside his dorm.
You mean Gwanda.
If you play the frames back in slow motion you can see she purposely backed into him
they won't read this lol but Jefferson is Miles' bio dad but no real reason for why Miles has a different last name has been given as far as I know though biggest theory is that it was initially to keep him away from his father's and uncle's criminal pasts and in 616 his shield past.
Makes sense
Parents may not have been married when he was born and then they never changed it.
That's exactly right actually. Both Jefferson and Aaron had a criminal background in the original comic. Which is why Miles has his mom's last name. Only big difference is in the comic Jefferson was also a Shield agent not a police officer. Which I got to say that he movie does the origin allot better.
@@eddiegrez2218 yeah, they alluded to that (Jefferson's criminal past) in the movie too
Also maybe Miles didn't want to be referred to as Miles Davis and just went with his other last name since Latino naming conventions gives you both last names of both your parents.
Spider-man: Into the Spider-verse is hands down the Best Movie of the Year.
Spider-man into the Spider-verse was the BEST representation of Spider-Man. As a Dominincan/Puerto-Rican from Queens, I always waited for this spider-man. The movie was DOPE! I loved Miles and Peter B Parker’s friendship/mentor ship. Marc’s backstory about a non-white Spider-Man was Amazing. Thanks, Marc! The film had heart, was thoughtful and the best film of 2018. Should I sell my Spider-Ham #1 (or #2)? See this in 3D! Thank you Stan!! ‘Nuff said.
I wish he would have had some Spanish banter with Scorpion though
Anire Mosley - Yes or more scenes with his Mom and her speaking Spanish with Miles.
@@lrod2004 Word! Hopefully in the sequel.
@@realnube I did really enjoy when he stared down Scorpion and the house spoke that smooth Spanish to him lol
Miles is African American/Puerto Rican from what I researched..
I watched it today too and damn it was so good. Had my eyes leaking a few times. So much heart.
The movie wasn't just a love letter to Spider-Man fans but also the history of Spider-Man comics and a multitude of media iterations. Superbly crafted and presented. Nuff said.
Did anyone else besides me notice B Bendis in Miles' phone? #easteregg
I saw Steve Ditko's name in there.
@@DoubleRDubPlays There's a Romita restaurant at one point.
And Sarah pichelli. First penciler to draw miles
When I get to dvd, I’ll be pausing to track Easter Eggs.
This old school format is still great; pure unadulterated Kev and Marc in an herb smoke filled room, riffin' on a film they dig.
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays ya'll!!!
What's up, Danger?!
NoctilioGames don’t be a stranger
My new favorite song.
I like high chances that I might lose. I like it all on the edge just like you. I like tall buildings so I can leap off of’em. I go hard wit it no matter how dark it is.
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Kevin having a “smoke”
Sounded like a grown-ass man bong hit
I am suprised that neither Kevin or Marc talked about how during the final fight Kingpin manages to terrify every version of his wife and son in the multiverse the same way that he did to his own family. I thought that was a really fitting moment.
My interpretation is that the Chris Pine Spider-Man is not our classic Spider-Man... the Jake Johnson Spider-Man is classic Spider-Man (only... a version some years down the line past his glory days). Spider-Man is always a bit of a schlemiel, the guy the world poops on no matter how often he saves it; the Chris Pine Spidey seems to have been one who somehow got past that and became a perfect golden boy with beloved hero status and a Batcave full of expensive gadgets.
In other words... one who's put there to die.
well of course he isnt. this isnt universe 616. this is suppose to be "the golden boy" spidey
I believe Peter b Parker's universe I our universe, thus you are correct. The world we where In was an alternate one to ours
@@kellz9972 and if you look closely the first time the collider runs, they say there are (I think) 5 different realities, one says earth-616, where Peter b Parker resides.
I see it as the blonde peter is NOT the original Peter we know. Hes blonde and his life is essentially perfect. Hes got money, and tech and a good relationship. He loves being spiderman. And never wants to stop
Peter B Parker is the peter we all know and love. Hes poor and guilt ridden, evidenced by not wanting to hear the w/ great power line. Hes tired of being spiderman but does it all the time, and is still excellent at it. He makes poor decisions but makes it work. Classic spidey to me.
ToyStoryWoodyFan anyone that disputes the fact that that is OUR CLASSIC Spider-Man hasn’t read comics or isn’t as invested.
It's still Aaron Davis that brings Miles to the spider ... he knows about the "cool place to tag" because he's working for Kingpin and as the "thief" he scouts the area.
You don't even have to watch comic book movies anymore, you just listen to Kevin Smith describe every single scene in more detail than you absorb during the screening.
I do this after every comic book movie
Peter: "wear a mask, protect your loved ones, he has men everywhere, anyone" [Miles finds out Stalker is his uncle.] [Stalker unmasks Miles, reacts, *and puts the mask back on Miles* ]
You mean Prowler mate.
That scene was so stressful gdi
I was TOTALLY hating on this movie when I first saw the previews. But, now I have been humbled. Into The Spiderverse is the BEST SPIDER-MAN MOVIE EVER. And that's not an exaggeration.
Solution: Stop watching previews.
@@lordzaboem Oh no. I'm 98.6% right when it comes to previews. PS: Shazam is going to be HUGE.
@@yragcom1 lmfao
@@princessjello I'll hit you up in a few months. Wait and see.
Miles’ dad’s name is Jefferson Davis; so if Miles took his dad’s name, he’d be Miles Davis! What a nod!!!!
And as a history nerd, it makes me chuckle that Miles' dad has the same name as the President of the Confederate States of America....the guy leading the secessionist states who had hard-ons for stuff like owning slaves.
@Alun Lewis
Did you know that President of the Confederacy Jefferson Davis's wife / first lady Varina Davis was Black / mixed?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varina_Davis#/media/File:Varina_Howell.jpg
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varina_Davis#/media/File:Varina_Howell_Davis_by_John_Wood_Dodge.jpg
And peeing ur pants is cool.
1:31:14 I don't know if either of you guys did, but when Miles is arguing with Peter and Peter tells him that he can't with Spider-Man die and Miles says neither can he, I teared up because that's how I felt in that moment.
I'm glad that Peter B. Parker in this movie is officially 616 Spidey.
Lets see if Kev can get through this with out crying.
Wouldn't bet on it lol
Who gets choked up over a cartoon. Man up, bitch tits.
@@vfwarlordforever9589 Whoa who hurt you man
I’m at min 14 and I hear the tears coming.... just like old school fatman on batman, when a guest would say something to hit him in the feels.
@@vfwarlordforever9589 rude
Miles took his mother's family name.
Stone Chen miles davis morales. hispanic cultures give both names.
@@dedg0st Cool. But why not Miles Morales Davis? Just curious, is this a cultural thing?
@@stonechen2480 Marvel Superheroes need to have an Aliterated name
Marc that's his blood father.
Dylan McCollum are you 100% positive?
His name is Jefferson Davis and I’m almost 100% positive he adopted Miles at a very early age. He’s his father 100% just not biologically
@@davidgeldner2167 do people not know how to fucking google anymore?
@@davidgeldner2167 You're loud and wrong.
His father has a criminal past and that's why Miles has his mother's last name.
Google it, wiki it, actually read the damn book before loudly claiming something as factual.
Jefferson Davis wasnt aware that Rio was pregnant or gave birth to Miles. Once he found out about his biological son, he cleaned up his act and became a cop.
I WENT IN TOTALLY BLIND, W/O TRAILERS OR KNOWING MILES MORALES. What an experience. I’m a guy & I never cry but this movie made me cry 6 times.
Guys, you REALLY NEED to read up on Miles Morales and the entire Ultimate Marvel universe. Im taken a back by how two guys with a normally encyclopedic comic book knowledge don’t know about Miles Morales, especially given Marc’s connection to the characters origin! Get on it gentlemen! Lol jk
To be fair they're comic book knowledge seems older as Miles is a fairly new character ... probably should have known Davis was his bio Father tho lol
ReviewKingMB No, I totally get it, just surprised considering how crucial Marc was in creating Miles in the first place. But like I always say, people in the industry are typically the ones that don’t get time to actually watch or read the content that comes out like the rest of us. Lol
Hey, our gen might not of known em....but buddy? Thats kinda why i see miles as spidey now..seeing the kid go through..i was sitting there in the cinema, first time out, watchin this talented kid doin his thing in his room..then i see the singing..my first thought was "thats soo much like peter was back in the day (talented kid never resting always tinkering away with something, and just a touch of goofy in him)..it haunted me a lil(im a spiderman TAS kid we never got an ending for our story, and that show was gigantic back when there were no CBMs so it was a horrible anti climax) i know it sounds stupid cuz im not a comics fan, but peter parker was my introduction to SUPERHEROS so i was very against a "new spidey"...yet i see a kid from brooklyn, noticing that physical changes are happening..i see him wondering why his thoughts are so loud, seeing him instinctually trust his senses ...i see a spiderman fallin for a gwen stacy...i see a kid who loves his family and doesnt know how to do his thing and do right by them... and then? They killed peter and miles is goin round tryin to figure out how to fill peters shoes...Miles Morales IS SPIDERMAN to me BECAUSE...the suit fits...and i think and any real spiderman fan...would be proud to say as much😎 (and yeah i know hes a character.. im old, not senile lol🤣)
Miles character wasn't that good in the Comics tho. Homecoming was Miles story arch... So they had to change it up for Into The Spider Verse... And I'm soooooo glad they did. This is the best version of Miles.
some hispanic families use both names miles jones morales..its a cultural thing
Yes but unless you hyphenate your last names into a single one, your paternal (the first) last name is still your main one. For example a man name Juan Pérez López in México can either be Juan Pérez-López in the US or just Juan Pérez. The maternal (second) last name is almost always dropped, never the first one.
Merry Christmas guys, thanks for all the videos this year and I look forward to more next year :)
Brian Michael Bendis mentioned one time that there was a reason Miles had his mum's last name. A reason that matters more to the writers than to the readers and will probably be revealed in story some day.
Brian Michael Bendis is at DC now though so I doubt that'll happen any time soon.
Hands down the best Spider-Man movie to date. Hands down the best animated to date and best animated movie of the year. Overall, one of the best movies of the year.
I've been a fan of Miles, almost since he was introduced. I will admit, that at first I was hoping not to like the character because I'm old school, but I loved it.
The writing is good, with solid art directions. Plus, Miles is a stand-up guy and a perfect fit for the character.
He makes a great addition to Marvel comic's.and Peter Parkers family. Happy he's on board!
And here's some inside info for you, non comic book reader's, Miles has already been around for a while, in the comics.
And rest assured, he has a legion of fans to show for it. Who knows maybe even a new movie. LOL.
The moral and ethical standpoint of our Heros, and the issues they face, as heroes is what make them compelling, inspiring and people we wish to emulate. They stand up for what's right, and against what's wrong. They're choices and actions are what is important to me, you know like a Superheroe. I always judged my like or dislike of a comic based on that simple formula above.
I certainly never considered, the pigment level of his skin, a factor? Nor whether they're female or male, gay straight bi or or any combination in between or where ther from Buenos Aires in Brazil or the southeast of Greenland.
Makes no difference to me, and if you were really a comic book fan. It wouldn't make any difference to you.
The point is . . . You can’t save everyone Miles.
He let that halloween store cashier die.
but guys J. Jonah Jameson WAS in it! (In the after credit scene!)
Aaron Davis/Prowler is also in Homecoming played by Donald Glover. He even references having a nefew.
I love listening to Kevin Smith’s retelling of stories - Perfection.
As Kevin said a second viewing is a must. Just noticed that in miles universe adverts look like copyright rip offs like koca-soda and Dusk of the Shaun instead of Coca-Cola (and Shaun of the Dead) in Peter B Parkers universe. Great attention to detail.
For those who haven't seen 'Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse': This vid is Kevin Smith and Marc Bernardin explaining/reviewing the entire movie, which takes four minutes more than the movie's runtime.
Great commentary guys. Wonderful conversation about the movie and how special it is.
It’s amazing how this translates to myself and so many of our life stories (mixed child, estranged family, complications and somehow have a special bond with stepfather, graffiti, music, social awkwardness, there’s so much).
It reminded me how special the original Spider-Man was to me growing up. I was devastated seeing Peter Parker crushed at the hands of kingpin and I wasn’t ready for miles to be spider-man at that moment.
They did a great job allowing miles to enter into my spiderverse, the one i grew up on, and bringing Peter B Parker in to help him along and mentor him (pot belly and kind of burnt out from it all), I just can’t put it into words, they nailed it because a lot of us that grew up with the old Spider-Man are kinda going through the same shit/same regrets, shadow of your former self with moments of greatness, enough left to pass the torch to somebody that you see is just like the young you.
Great stuff!
Look forward to more of your commentary.
Kevin Smith does reviews by describing the movie shot by shot and his reactions, and they're just as long as a movie, but I still love them.
only kevin smith can give a review that is longer than the movie itself lol keep up the good work
The BEST part of Miles' name, is the fact if his dad was marreid to his mom before he was born, and he took his dad's last name he would be Miles Davis... MILES DAVIS!!! Freakin layers of awesome!!
I seen both Aquaman and Spider-Verse in the same day and I have no complaints both really good movies.
I don’t have an issue with Spidey being black, I loved this movie and is one of the best 2018 film.
In saying that, as a Latino, I’m glad that they used Miles Morales as Spider-man. Don’t get me wrong, Peter Parker will always be Spider-man to me, but I would have hated it if they had changed Peter’s ethnic background. Perhaps that’s what people have an issue with, not Spidey race, but changing Peter’s ethnicity.
Also, Miles is from the Ultimate Universe.
My kids are white and Miles will now always be their Spiderman
I'm so happy to be able to watch Spiderman into the Spider-verse, and have this way to reflect on it with you guys doing this podcast, I'm watching it again with my loved ones, merry Christmas you guys ✌️
Loved everything about film, as did family, except the fine background crosshatching kept sucking my attention. My grandson's favorite characters are Black Panther & Miles Morales' Spiderman. Excellent!
Anyone find it over the top when Miles painted a suit black when there was a black suit RIGHT NEXT TO THE SUIT HE PAINTED BLACK???
Prowler's theme is already great, but when the chase kicks off after the apartment reveal, it is truly heart-pounding. I legit felt Miles's fear and pain.
While listening to this, middle of the night, on Christmas Eve, I realize the review is longer than the film..... I love these guys.
I took the last name difference as Miles being their son but his parents never married.
This. In the comic Rio and Jefferson separated at one point. It's possible he wasn't there when Miles was born otherwise he'd be Miles Davis.
This was given my seal of approval! Avid comic reader. It was like going on a super realistic Universal comic ride cause we were IN THAT COMIC BOOK DUDE!
Hell yeah!
Shout out to Jersey Kev! Always been a fan!
I love watching in depth reviews for movies like these because its great to see people who know how the sausage is made parse the subtext of a film. Every time I get to re-watch a movie expertly explored like this it makes the subsequent viewings so much more enjoyable. Seeing the story telling groundwork the filmmakers would have had to lay to get to where they end up on screen is fascinating and enriching. Thanks a ton guys. Shame you cant do this long format review style often, I feel the freedom afforded to you by being able to relax in a comfortable setting makes the discussion more unleashed.
Miles' dad's name is Jefferson Davis. He IS the biological father. Miles just goes by his mom's name for whatever reason. The only reason behind it is to have a name similar to Peter Parker
I LOVED Scorpion for the sheer fact that he was difficult for multiple Spider-Man’s to take out. Scorpion is too often under used.
41:37 I don't see trailers to movies I already know I want to see. It used to be difficult, but it has been so gratifying that it's become easier to do over time. I implore anyone reading this to do the same. That being said, I saw Into The Spider-verse blind. What a ride! I adore this movie.
Same here, man
Yeah, count me in as well. Haven't watched the Captain Marvel trailer either as I know I'm gonna see it. Went into Infinity War absolutely blind and my god, that was such an amazing experience. I think knowing just *some* of the plot points would have made it a lesser experience. So yes, I can recommend this as well! :-)
Miles WAS originally in the Ultimate universe after Peter Parker died, but they brought him over to 616 after their soft reboot at the end of Secret Wars
About time. This movie needs all the help it can get at the box office right now since it's getting over shadowed
It doesnt help that most theatres only ran it for a week, its pretty much only in amc theatres now.
EXACTLY
Miles uncle plays for the packers in our universe
People aren’t really Spider-Man fanatics watching this movie, the first spider man is the spider man marvel pushed forward “The ultimate Spider-Man” he has blonde hair because he is the “Golden-Boy” he is all the mass media Spider-Man’s what fans love to see “perfect”, he is everything you think of when you think of spider man that’s why he is as funny as the Garfield has iconic moments like Tobey and has a young charm like the new spider man, Now Peter B. Parker is the original Spider-Man from the comics all in one he had the brown hair he uses his “B.” Like in the comics, he saves the day but people forget in the comics Peter went through tragic moments and people forget that because the movies make you think his life is perfect, Spider man is amazing but Peter life sucked, people get that confused cus the thing why Tobey Spider-Man is so great cus you watch him be the golden boy you watch his life sucks and then you watch him be the golden boy again, but in the comics he’s no golden boy he’s Spider-Man and Peter B. Parker is a man who work gets in the way of his happiness he’s not perfect. The reason people love Peter B. Parker is because he is the original the underdog who life’s Change because of the spider bite all that jazz, but cus of how marvel pushed ultimate so hard with the movies you forget that Peter life sucked, also it’s not accurate to the comics but you have to remember it’s the directors and writers movie, so that’s the difference between the two, Peter Parker is ultimate Spider-Man, Golden boy, has no worries in either life, and Peter B. Parker is our spider man from the comics that even gave us the love of the character, his life changed he enjoyed his moments but he grew old and doesn’t know how to be a man, Peter B. Parker in my opinion of what hardcore comic fans know and love it’s just a joke on you guys forgetting about his life sucked so the movie makes you think he isn’t our spider man but in reality he is and we forget in the comics he is actually human when the mask isn’t on. Peter Parker is what marvel wants you to think as Peter Parker perfect
On one hand I want to let my son read the entire original run of Peter Porker The Spectacular Spider-Ham I have. On the other, this movie was sooo good it might go up in value. I'll let him read it. I didn't collect comics for the money.
This movie was amazing and listening to Marc and Kevin recount it in full, it feels like I've seen it twice.
Into the Spiderverse is Santa’s best gift man
Miles replaced Peter in Ultimate Spider-Man (comics) after Peter was killed. I still have a copy of that issue in the black bag with the red spider symbol on it. Pretty epic moment in comics. During Spider-verse (comics), I believe something happened to Miles's universe and he ending up staying in the main universe. Gwen returned to hers. I don't know much else beyond that.
Just FYI they do confirm old Spiderman is our universe with the Coca-Cola sign that they show in all of the spider backstories. I do agree that it doesn't really matter much and this is my favorite movie of the year by FAR.
i love his mom, true Latin mother loll
Man I teared up just listening to the recap. I love this movie so much. Can't wait to see it a couple more times.
Canonically, The Prowler once subbed for Spider-Man when Spidey was trying to keep his identity a secret so there was a Black Spidey before Miles.
Miles Morales was introduced in the Ultimate universe in the Ultimate Spiderman comic, where a teenage Peter Parker died fighting the Green Goblin and Miles witnessed it all. He chose to take up the mantle of Spiderman because Peter had saved Miles and his friends several times. P.S. Peter and Miles went to the same high school, and were not friends, but moved in the same social circles.
Miles evades the Prowler after Peter is killed. Later, he returns to the apartment and discovers that Aaron is the Prowler, and is then chased by him until there is a car crash and Miles "escapes". Miles heads back the Aunt May's and is followed by the Prowler, which leads to the villains arriving at May's place (and the subsequent fight).
You guys probably won't read this at this point since it's almost a year old, but just a small correction guys: Miles Morales is the second Ultimate Spider-Man. He IS from the Ultimate Comics.
After the big crossover event "Ultimatum" in Ultimate Comics, they still had Peter as Spider-Man for a bit longer, but then they killed him off and that's when they introduce Miles Morales as a kid who was recently bit by a similar OsCorp spider as Peter. So like in this movie he has to learn to be the new Spider-Man for his universe now that Peter is dead.
Recently he has been "imported" over to the main Marvel 616 universe because the Ultimate comics were ended, but he started in Ultimate Comics as the new Ultimate Spider-Man.
I saw the last name issue like this:
Miles' father Jeff ashamed of his past and his brothers profession chooses to have his sons have his wife's last name. The Davis name will end with him.
I'm not what you call a massive Spidey-fan (my housemate is Marvel, I'm more DC) - but this movie stuck in my head for WEEKS afterwards. The animation, and the myriad styles, looked unlike anything I can remember watching before...
I think Schlubby Peter Parker is actually OUR Spiderman because when he swings by the Coca Cola billboard, during HIS recap, it actually says "Coca Cola," but it says a different name like Coka Soda with every other Spiderman.
Took my son to it yesterday and he loved it. I however thought it was a bit slow. Especially 1 day after watching Aquaman where the pacing was on point and had either action or comedy to fill the voids where it may have been needed. As far as animation I may have never seen anything as vibrant. I can’t wait to see it in 4k. I did also love the character development. To the point I kept looking at my son hoping that he’s taking the message in and hopefully applying it to himself. Especially because the story of Spider-man is easily my favorite. Well to end it, I still highly recommend watching it. Love you Kevin, please keep doing what you do, we need more people who are passionate about these beautiful works of fiction that have become so much a part of us that it’s basically in our DNA.
Lol Aquaman is mindless garbage... FOH with the pacing
Did you even watch it?
I can watch this movie over and over again, it's that good! So much replay value.
Definitely getting this on Blu-ray 😆😆
Spiderverse is possibly the best comic book movie this year. The heart and emotion was so well defined. This is EASILY the best Spiderman, but there are so many parts that grip you, it's a day one 4k Blueray must buy. Spiderverse is in my top comic book movie conversation just need to see it a few more times. The highlight for me was the love letter to NY
i saw it this week before it's gone from theaters
i cried so much in it.
Prowler is basically like a smalltime Black Panther used as a villain which honestly is super, super cool. And if he did have all of Black Panther’s abilities he would be WAY overpowered.
Mark gets so many things mixed still a good co-host up good job Kevin also Tomb Stone was in the 90's cartoon. But thanks for helping Make Miles Mark cheers
Hearing podcasts like this enhance the multiple viewings of movies you enjoy after you’ve already has multiple viewings.
To answer your question about Prowler, in the mainstream universe (specifically during the Big Time story) Prowler ended up turning over a new leaf, becomes a good guy and actually helps Peter protect his Spider-Man identity by putting on Spider Armor on occasion when Spider-Man and Peter Parker can't possibly be in the same place at the same time. So Miles' uncle becomes Spider-Man kinda and even fights alongside Miles Spidey here and there, which I think is pretty fucking beautiful of an idea especially after seeing their dynamic in this movie.
This version of Prowler isn't the same Aaron Davis as Miles grew up with as far as I know, he's the original 616 Prowler Aaron Davis who was kind of just a D-List Spidey villain who they tried to make cool for years and never got it right lol I think it's cool they wove Miles into the narrative of a wore out old trash villain and revitalized him (finally)
I believe OG Prowler MIGHT have been on an incarnation of the Sinister Six, but let's be honest, when it comes to Spidey villains, everyone and their dog has made their own Sinister Six team lol
Fantastic time for comic book movies.
4 times so far, that Stan cameo fucking kills me everytime.
You guys forgot that SpiderGwen figures out a way to cross dimensions and ask Miles 'If he's busy?'. At the end of the movie.
"We all miss him."
Currently Miles is in the main 616 continuity, but it took the reality shattering Secret Wars storyline to retcon and rehash all of marvel canon to make that happen. Miles was one of only a handful of people to survive the destruction of the Ultimate universe. Evil Reed Richards, Jimmy Hudson(Wolverine's Son), and Thor's hammer Mjolnir(Stormbreaker in the MCU).