These Guys May Have Just Ruined Their Career
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They could have saved themselves all of this embarrassment and done a youtube poll to guage interest in a new streaming service
This is exactly what I was thinking lmao, they could've easily asked their fans if this was something they were even remotely interested in
They polled Reddit. 30% said they'd pay. (According to not fact checked comments)
@@pinkbunny6218I bet those 30% or in the top tier patreon already paying 😂😂
@@pinkbunny6218if that’s true that’s insane. I didn’t even know they had a Reddit! Why wouldn’t they pole where all their viewers would see it? 🤦🏽♀️ major goof on their part
This is mean but they look a hot mess and I don’t want to look at them anymore.
The giant red flag for me was them saying how their channel was on the brink of financial collapse but also already planned trips to Europe to film content. Like. What???
Yeah if they are on the brink of collapse they need to reel in costs, which unfortunately may mean letting some staff go. As much as it sucks, that is the first thing that should be looked at, as payroll is one of the major expenses when running a business.
@@csailer2353 They probably didn't need to let anyone go if they weren't paying for flights, equipment, travel, lodging, food, location fees and (likely) local guides to travel to a different continent. The "need" for money was purely for selfish, creative fulfillment.
@@csailer2353 Their initial mistake was hiring a bunch of friends and family that would be harder to fire if hiring 25 people for one channel turned out to be a tad too ambitious... I'm just flabbergasted at the decision making.
12,000 member is so much! Screen shows almost 14,000 then in almost the next breath I’ve never been good at math! Omg I so relate! I think Watcher will bounce back but it’ll take a very, very long time. And they won’t be as large as they could have been. They’ve got a very close fan base who really related and loved them and it hurt them very deeply with this shock that made no sense. There’d be people introducing their kids to the channel, and that’s unfortunate for them those people won’t anymore. They’re comment sections talked about Shane and Ryan totally about stuff off topic of the show. They just loved them and it was very easy to see.
It’s their food content. It’s extremely expensive and it’s unpopular. Apparently they make $60,000 per month on Patreon and it’s still not enough to cover their content and pay their 25 employees. I’ve been watching Ryan and Shane for 8 years, so this decision made me extremely angry
The worst part is that they originally said that all of the old content would eventually be behind a paywall. Then, in the "apology" video they claimed they never said that, but people had receipts and proved them wrong. The whole thing was seriously mishandled.
$100K is like 7-8 years wages for me and they earn it a month and have the nerve to act like they're underpaid
Well to be fair there are staff and stuff to pay for. They probably could have saved here and there but that's just me.
Business and salary are not comparable in any way. I turned over 100k last year and my take home profit to pay myself was 15k. So I was living on 15k (AUD)
Jamie, you are adorable!!
$100k gross is not that much anymore. First of all, a good chunk of that is automatically gone to taxes, then their staff, equipment, etc. all the business expenses, and then the profit is split between 3 grown men who probably have kids and families. And they are in LA which is very expensive
Random comment here: I love that you put timers on your ads. Non-aggressive, very calm timers that just count down to your content... I know it's not revolutionary, but I appreciate it.😊
Omg same it's the first time I seen someone do it in case I want to skip or I wanna know when the normal content is gonna start again.
Yes I agree 🙌🏻
I thought the exact same thing when it came up.. usually I start skipping, but with the counter, I usually just let it play cause I’m thinking “120 seconds isn’t too bad”… anyone else’s 2 minute ads? SKIP 🤣
Yeah it is a really nice touch. However, Jamie's ads are often content of their own with funny skits. I never mind watching her sponsors lol
Yes! One of the first things I noticed watching her vids and I was so glad she did that!
“At least they apologized with words and not a ukulele song” 😂😂😂👏👏👏
That made me laugh on its own, but I'm dying to know is that a reference to something?
@@suzybearheart530 it's reference to Collen Ballinger's apology video, which wctually was not an apology but a "fuck you" song to the haters. The controversy she was into is that she was accused of grooming minors
@suzybearheart530 you need to watch Swoop's coverage of that whole thing.
There’s just something about reading your apology off a teleprompter that really screams
⭐️⚡️genuine⚡️⭐️
I actually don't think reading off a teleprompter is bad at all. It ensures they are saying everything they need to and saying it right especially as I'm sure they were all stressed out ASF all weekend. You dont want to word something badly just because you're too emotional.
CZcamsrs never paulergize
They can make up whatever excuse they want, but we all know it's just greed...it's always greed.
always greed
Agreed
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As a creator I just can't imagine having almost 3 million subs and being like "this isn't good enough"
same 🤣
I am still mind boggled SSSniperwolf bungled her 30 million subscriber bag, while a couple of hotshots think their 3 million sub fame is enough to give everyone the middle finger.
I don't understand not wanting to fire a few people but being OK with firing most if their fans
@Dimsrose that's because they made the mistake of hiring friends and family. They need to reduce staff, but they don't want to fire their friends. They also need to move the office. Apparently they rent a good sized space in Hollywood. I've seen people say moving to Burbank could cut their rent in half.
I think people are so tired of subscription fees. Streaming was supposed to be the answer to the high cost of cable and satellite, but sub streaming has become just as expensive if not more expensive.
This really breaks my heart. Shane and Ryan were my FAVORITE CZcamsrs in their BuzzFeed Unsolved days. It was the only BuzzFeed show I watched or respected and it was all because of them. They were kind, funny, down-to-earth people I could see myself being friends with in “the real world.” I am shocked that they have changed so much.
Me too, honestly. :(
Same!
Same. :(
Same 😭
Money and power corrupts even the coolest people sometimes
Ok is no one going to acknowledge how STELLAR that Paramore reference was? Damn Jamie you really hit the high
I didn't know she could sing and was like "What is happening???" 😂
THE WAY I HAD TO TAKE A SECOND
@@naturallyamused she's an incredible singer
I was going to comment about this specifically. Lol She really hit that high note so crisp and beautiful… goals…
@toanotherplace I only pop in every now and then and just never knew that, so I was shocked 😆
To answer questions:
They have 25 employees (mostly friends and family) in a spacious downtown LA office. For a CZcams channel that inconsistently uploads.
Shane just had a $55k wedding.
EDIT: Apparently $55k was just the cost of the VENUE. I hate it here.
Steven is renovating his Hollywood condo, brags about driving a Tesla and his $300 matcha machine, and all of HIS shows on the channel involve traveling to expensive places and eating good topped expensive foods. In fact, in the same video they announced everything is going behind a paywall, they also excitedly announced that they had hired TWO MORE PEOPLE to revive Steven’s old “worth it” show from Buzzfeed.
Ryan is the driving force behind better production value for already overproduced content.
They mismanaged money and have expensive tastes and wanted the viewers to foot the cost of the bill entirely instead of billion dollar corporations who have the money and are practically throwing it at them. They didn’t lean into their Patreon because they have to pay Patreon a portion of the subscriptions.
This is greed and business mismanagement plain and simple. I’m not at all impressed with an apology and backtrack that probably would not have happened if they hadn’t lost 100k+ subscribers and almost half of their patrons in 3 days. “We’re sorry we called you poor and almost made ourselves poor. Here’s the crumbs a month later, plebs.”
Apparently it was $55k just on the venue alone🙃
There was sometime during the pandemic I realized they weren’t at a office/studio filming but were in Steven’s really luxury looking home and that’s when I realized, oh they’re Rich Rich.
Just to add to your observations/facts, I totally agree it’s business mismanagement and that the follow up video was basically the minimum necessary to save a ship they sunk themselves.
@@lisahoshowsky4251I was just going to update my comment with that info! $50k for just the VENUE? I saw other comments that she had THREE wedding dresses???
Yeah, that’s totally a living on a “fair wage”. 🙄
Charlie (Penguinz0) has similar sub/view counts, owns other businesses and has similar employee numbers as his businesses don't relate to his YT work (but reckons they don't need so many for that). He says even after all his outgoings including one of his esport team members earning 10 grand month, he's still comfortably off so reckons it's greed or mismanagement.
@@covidfeverdream multiple wedding dresses at one wedding is obnoxious.
Don’t forget about the money they make going on tours!!!
It’s insane the amount of SUCCESSFUL revenue streams they have. The mismanagement is appalling.
Buzzfeed Unsolved was probably the best thing that ever came out of Buzzfeed😭
Puppet History though... it's amazing. ❤
Seriously!! Now that they moved to their own channel yt never shows me their content on my feed anymore..I have to search for them ..and even then I keep getting unsubscribed 😢
I'm so sad 😢
Agree
Facts! I love their Are You Scared Series? Too. Soo good.
buzzfeed: unsolved was so much better when they were just having fun and not overdramatizing everything by adding intros to every machine they ever used.
i only watch the old episodes because they aren’t dramatic in those, when they were just having fun and making small remarks that didn’t feel forced, yknow?
Yeah that's it, now it feels all.. scripted
I hated when they made the switch! I watched the first few episodes on watcher and decided I couldn’t connect to all the changes and technological advancements they made. It no longer felt relatable but showy and forced. We never asked for any of this! I never once saw anyone complain. If anything, it seems their subs were happiest when the sets and production were the cheapest.
I honestly preferred it when they had cheap production. Like season 1 puppet history is my favorite bc it was just some cutouts on a stick. It felt more intimate-like I was actually a friend watching instead of a consumer.
right like for youtube, there comes a point where too much production is a bad thing. like ppl were not watching for the content, they were there for the people making it.
That "All I wanted was you" was INCREDIBLE
why is this not the top comment? jaime killed that high note and my soul left my body
Right? I'd love a Jaime French album :3
Genuinely got chills when I heard this, seriously!!!!
We need more people talking about this in the comments! Hayley herself has said that she struggles to reach the notes in the song 😮
It was definitely sharp !
I really hate how in their apology they went "Sorry we didnt explain it better." Cause im pretty sure most people understood well enough. It was the fact they were doing it at all for any reason was the part people didnt like. And I can agree with that. Normally these guys are amazing people to watch when I get back from work and after some time I'll probably go back to watching, but for now its left a bad taste in my mouth.
It's giving "Sorry you're offended." 😂
I was not even familiar with these guys before this drama, and now I really dislike what they tried to do.
Same! I'd never heard of them before Jamie, but now I'm here for the drama with my popcorn. 😂
I appreciate you saying viewers don't click because they're busy, and not blaming it on people being lazy like so many other people do. It's nice that you appreciate and respect your viewers and are willing to adapt your methods for/with them instead of trying to force your viewers to change the way you want them to.
Also, Editing Jaime coming through to make fun of Recording Jaime was so funny :D
They have 13,727 Patreon members and if EVERYONE was paying the lowest tier it would be $68,605 per month MINIMUM.
But according to Steven they need morrrrrre!!
Yeah I would need a breakdown of their patreon plus CZcams plus advertising plus merch and how much they are accruing totally to know if this is just a money grab.
I mean take that and divide it by 20-25 and it will account for all of their staff and themselves. And of course that still wouldn’t account for production costs and other business expenses.
So does $68k a month actually cover staffing? A quick Google tells me a living wage in LA is at least $96.5k annual salary, and if we assume that all staff gets health & retirement benefits then you need to add roughly 30% to that number to get the cost per hire, so that's $125.5k times 25 full time people is $3,137,500 per year. So if all 25 people make a base "living wage" salary to be comfortable in California, they need at least $261,450 per month to cover labor costs, plus whatever they need for supplies, spaces, website maintenance, production, equipment, etc. I don’t have a good idea of what those production costs look like monthly but I can't imagine it's minimal!
Ok but that’s actually nothing for a company so not valid
Dudes are greedy little baztards
Girl... belting out Hayley Williams is one thing, but nailing it? 🙌 my girl would be proud. Paramore 4 Life!
Yeah that was insanely good! I was looking for this comment!
Came here to say the exact same thing f yeah !!!!
Right???? Like we know Jamie can sing but I was SHOOK
And she did it TWICE! So iconic
glad I wasn't the only one to notice! was gonna comment that, myself. that note was hit so nicely. BEAUTIFUL. thats a hard note to sing too.
15:54
I stopped paying for CZcams premium because it didn't make sense to be still watching ads with the 'paid promotions/sponsored portion of the video'. I don't blame the creators. They gotta fund their channel, obvi! I also love love love that Jaime puts a timer on hers so we can easily skip past it if we want. I just feel like why would I pay for an ad-free experience when there's technically still ads? 🤷♀️
I've been asking myself the same shit
Jamie at least makes her ads entertaining too but yeah, I get what you're saying.
@@suzybearheart530 I appreciate that about her, too 🤗
Try sponsorblock, no more in-video ads and it's community contributed.
@@candinunya5211Ditto.
Their apology vid was so hard to watch 😭 I fr loved them for SO long n we all loved them bc they were fun n funny and their spooky content felt fresh. The end of an era
Yeah, software engineer here. 17 years. The site sucks. It's mostly templated and it couldn't handle a decent amount of users. They probably paid millions. It wasn't load tested or tested properly for their users to have to do it.
The are literally trying to make their audience PAY to test their crap site. People get paid to do that.
Wtf this is worse!!!
@@creepy-kitty Yup. Also QAs cost 6 figures. They are asking their customers to do it and pay for it.
Wow you became a software engineer with only 17 years kudos to you
Unusable platforms are the worst.
I had a curiosity stream subscription, and ended up cancelling because the app was impossible to use. Checking the reviews on the app store showed every other user had the same issue. 90% one star reviews. Content great, UX/UI terrible.
@eipimuja well ya know...I'm what you call...a prodigy
Very dad joke...I can respect that.
Watcher? I hardly know her
Lol🤣
Lolol
I hate how I laughed at this
😂
Kurtis Conner is this your alternate account? 🤨
Don’t we have enough freaking membership/subscription fees??? I wish we would boycott all of them, really. What happened to feel content, saving money by not having cable? Now it costs more to watch streaming than cable and internet all together.
Greed is the enemy.
Jamie I have posted 3 times on their update video. Someone posted to leave them alone, they work hard for their money.
I replied that I have been a nurse for 30 years, have been assaulted numerous times by patients and had every body substance thrown at me. I’m a hospice nurse.
I work hard for MY money.
Watcher has deleted this post every time.
They've deleted my comment to the same effect multiple times as well. They're just shitty people.
I had a number of snippy comments that disappeared 😉 I appreciate them taking responsibility and making changes, but I won’t be resubbing unless they earn it with long term, non sketchy changed behaviour 🙄
@OpalLeigh they didn't take responsibility. They aren't even providing their long term patreon supporters with more than 3 months free subscription to their new site, obv hoping they'll forget to cancel. They PRETENDED to take responsibility.
The juxtaposition of a sombre 'we messed up' coming directly after the hyperbolic 'this new direction will chamge your life' for me. It's like a real world SNL skit
It really was and it was hilarious 😂
After all dem fayncee werds there’s a typo. Lol proofread baby, you’re smart but that makes you look…well… 😂😂
The fact that they’re making this heartfelt appeal with the soft lighting and synchronised sitting on the couch to their viewers, to say ‘we need *more* of your money’ is so insufferably arrogant. Like they don’t have what they need for their important work.
Said very well!
synchronised sitting on the couch haha
They claim it’s so they don’t have to adjust their content for the advertisers and I would LOVE to hear specific stories because really, what adjustments are being asked of them!?
Ikr I’ve never once seen anyone complain! If anything, most of us seem to prefer their old buzzfeed unsolved content, which just so happens to be when production was at the cheapest. Wtf!
literally i think the biggest problem is that they just dont know how to manage money at all like the vision is there but the money mismanagement is insane
Greed and arrogance really is ruining everything.
As always
It's like no one learned anything from the "React Bros" .
“We wanted to take the responsibility of paying for everything off our poor poor advertisers and put it onto our fans instead!”
Honestly, these ppl r crazy. So we have to pay for like 500 different streaming services and now they want us to start paying to watch CZcams content. Talk about wringing as much out of people as possible.
I don't see how this will ever work because people get on CZcams and spontaneously click on whatever video grabs their attention at that second.
Dual models have been the most successful for creators. Free content on YT with paywalled content on Patreon or an independent website.
Edit: Or OnlyFans. 😂
Double edit: Or a membership program using YT’s offerings for creators. Member-only videos, y’know?
That's exactly how I found Watcher (and this channel).
well that's not true I get annoyed all the time bc the videos CZcams thinks I want to watch are not the videos I want to watch
@@InvisibleRenDropout and JetLag are good examples of this
the only times I’ve watched their videos is when they randomly pop up on my recommended
What’s interesting is they also didn’t consider that some people (fools like me) already pay for CZcams, so I already consider it a part of my “streaming service budget”😅
“At least they apologized with words and not a ukulele song.” 😂😂
Apparently they also have like 25 employees. And it’s unnecessary. They just don’t want to fire anyone.
Sounds like they can afford people just fine. They just want international trips on the viewer's dime.
No, they just don't want to do the work they were doing before, they want maximum pay for minimum work
they just keep hiring their friends. nothing like a horrible mismanagement of company funds
They could pay themselves less they all just spent tons of money on trips weddings and home remodeling and posted it all to social media then come in begging for more money 😅
Yyyep... time to trim the fat!!
I was a Watcher fan but this got so… weird and horrible. First the goodbye video felt like I was getting kicked out because I’m poor, and that feels super gross. Then the fans are attacking each other on other platforms, and this whole company/ channel and fandom was like a sinking ship that is also on fire and everyone was screaming about why it happened and I just jumped off and observing from afar. I will miss Puppet History.
Will I ever resubscribe? I don’t know. I’m still salty.
Agreed. For me, the only tempting thing that they do is Puppet History. I'll probably never subscribe, but I might still watch those videos. I don't know yet. This whole thing just left a terrible taste in my mouth.
I leftmy CZcams subscribed, for now, but my husband and I are prepared to jump ship permanently at the next terrible, money grubbing misstep
Yeah the amount of Backtracker supporters who told me to “forgive, because people make mistakes” is just yikes.
1. May I join you in your raft? I have also jumped ship and have been watching it all burn from afar.
2. Great profile pic, I love Bobs Burgers.
@@alexhook9151 of course! There are a few of us, but plenty of room.
And thanks! Louise is my fav and reminds me of myself. :)
I had a Timneh African Grey parrot until Katrina. They are so funny and so smart. I love the little head tilt while he's listening to you. 😂❤
youre the only YTer who i can actually sit through ads for. you care about not spamming tf out of your viewers, put in work into making the ads fun, and now i see a ticker to let your audience know when the ad break ends. that's dedication to your subs and you deserve way more subscribers for the amount of effort and genuine thought you put into your content
$40,000 per ad??!! I have a Bachelor's Degree and I'm not even making $40,000 a YEAR right now! WTAF?! No shit they messed up. Out of touch is definitely what they are.
Are you spending 40k a video to create it? Your >40k job isnt comparable to a business that is supporting employees, contractors, and massive outlays. Business and personal jobs are not comparable ever
@@hayamy3583 did you miss the part about how they're probably actually making double that amount because the site she used tends to not be accurate? Either way, they've got patreon and ad revenue. They're just being greedy.
@@talkingfiction8748 nope didnt miss it. I understand what creative projects cost.
Plus pateron could have been BRINGING in upwards of 60k a month
@@talkingfiction8748 Fair point in general, but the response was to the idea that $40K was plenty, not some higher amount.
The only success story of Buzzfeed is Quinta Brunson…Girlie went from being a side character in some of their videos to being an Emmy and Golden Globe winner!
Safiya (from Buzzfeed Lady Like) does extremely well too, I think she just has different goals than Quinta so her success looks different. I love seeing Quinta do so well, I was so happy to see her pop up in Miracle Workers and some minor roles in other shows I watch and the incredible success of Abbott Elementary is amazing! She’s so talented and it’s wonderful to see her get to share that with a larger audience and be recognized by fans and the industry for it!
And Michelle Khar.
I didn’t even know Quinta was from buzzfeed. She really went out and did the thing.
@@lisahoshowsky4251 I loooove Safiya.
The Try Guys are successful.. despite the Ned situation. And Safiya as well. Quinta is definitely successful on a grander scale which is amazing. She is incredible.
I hope I can attempt to fill some gaps from the IT perspective (cause you mentioned wondering about firing staff, etc.) - depending on their setup, it could be a lot of people.
That UI (user interface) looks pretty slick. Without being able to dig into into the site itself, if they made it all “in house”, it could be anywhere from a team of 2-3 to a team of 15-20. They need a front end dev (to make it easy to use and pretty), a back-end dev (to deal with how to host all their streaming content) - throw in a business analyst or project manager (which they might not do, but I figure if they’re approaching their streaming site with the same level of professionalism as their video content, it’s not unreasonable), some testers, someone to manage vendors (like payment processing), at least a couple people on user data security (if they’re smart. Leaky PI is expensive), a legal advisor, yadda yadda.
Add to that they mentioned being limited by CZcams’s features, so there’s definitely some unique features they needed built for this platform.
The whole thing, to a techy geek with ZERO skin in the game (I have no clue who these guys are), it comes off like either asking your audience to fund your vanity project, or asking your audience to pay for you to get your foot in the door in the streaming game (at least investors get returns).
Also - in case anyone thinks the “two clicks - they give up” is a new phenomenon and people’s attention spans are shot, it’s been a UI design best practice for probably 15 years. If a user can’t get what they want in two clicks, you’ve lost em.
PARAMORE!
that high note was ON PAR. HOLY CRAP.
two videos in one week??? you’ve blessed us jaime!!!
And the short forms too ❤
Yasss Queen!
I am in J’amie Jaime French Heaven 😘😘😘(3 European smooches)
I canceled Netflix and Hulu because I can't afford them right now.
I kept Prime for free shipping and included video streaming.
No biggie. I still have CZcams as well.
It all boils down to choices. I choose my medication over multiple streaming services. 😂
I threw Netflix into the trash once it went from $5 to $20+.
Sometimes CEO Trash do not understand is that i need money to feed and pay my bills.
I’m about to do this with netflix. I don’t really watch it anymore
Never thought one of my favorite channels would talk about another one of my favorite channels but like I'm here for it 😂
I love how honest and understanding Jaime is. Like even when she’s taking the piss she takes time to try to understand the people she’s talking about and give them the benefit of the doubt. And then she’s STILL funny. 10/10
A pay wall of like $0.99 or $1.99 would have been far more effective for their fan base. Asking for $6?? My dudes, it's not gonna happen. I only pay for 1 streaming service a month and Watcher wouldn't be versatile enough to be one of them. I'm glad they're backtracking and I hope they make wise decisions for the YT channel in the future. I haven't watched them in a long time, but I've enjoyed their content in the past.
This would have been a good idea if they got other well know CZcamsrs to join in to allow different content for a good rate.
If we take what they're saying at face value, they could have dialled back on CZcams, done a 1.99 or 2.99 sub for non-advertiser friendly variety exclusively on their website. The problem is, I can't imagine what non-advertiser friendly content these guys could possibly be referring to so it's hard to believe that was the real reason.
Spoken like true rich people who have no idea what cost of living is for us normies
Right, I pay for approximately 0 streaming services, I mooch off everyone in my life 😂
@@TheGamerz_Hub I just don't think asking people who have been watching for free to now pay a fee is going to work out very well - I'm just going to watch other free content instead and I think most other viewers are going to do the same. You might get a small handful of dedicated fans but those are the vast minority of their viewers.
I said the same thing. If they aren’t getting the income to support their CZcams channel, they really think they have the demand for a paid streaming service?
CZcams views is a way easier ask of an audience
They live a 1% lifestyle and are really acting like they’re barely scraping by.
They get great view numbers . Thats why they think this might work. Their videos do so well and they have an enormous amount of patreons so the fan base is there. They said they didn't want to have to continue trying to keep all the ad people happy, and wanted to try and do it ad free.
$60 annually just for THEIR CONTENT?? The gall is incredible. Good luck boys!
One of my favourite shows on there is when ryan and shane sit in front of a fire, get drunk and read “scary” stories submitted by viewers. I guess their studio is in LA, but they need to find a new one if they are having budget problems.
If "ABORT MISSION!!! ABORT. MISSION!!!" were 3 people.
LMAO
Are you still allowed to abort mission in the US?
@@lindala2602 : (
🤣🤣
"We're going international, we're going to the UK AND Scotland" Gotta love that 'Merican education
I'm American I caught that. Hahaha😂
Haha, yeah because You tube is only vis..oh wait, everyone ww except (?) China and Iran has You tube!
And we're ironically fucking over people in other countries we didn't mention!!
We don’t have CZcams here in Scotland - only kilts, castles and haggis ☹️
Thank GAWD they’re coming to save us ☺️
As a supporter of Scotlands independence I love that little slip and support it. 😂 🏴
Jaime coming through with that impossible Paramore note!!!!! Ugh that song gets me everytime! ❤❤❤❤killed it.
800K SUBS, LET'S GOOOOO!!!!! CONGRATS, JAIME!!
A bit of context that is missing in just the videos you saw is that Steven, the dude who mentioned how “affordable” the service was, notoriously has VERY bougie taste. He drives a a Tesla and has mentioned his $300 matcha machine in podcasts. Coming from him in particular, that moment felt extra out of touch.
This is what my daughter told me. Given that context, I feel like he’s the driving force behind this need for more. Bigger production value. More staff.
Because Shane and Ryan seem much more down to earth.
@@Mama_Bear524Shane just had a $55k wedding…
Doesn't he also want to fly around the world and eat expensive food and have another Tesla?
To be fair for Shane, 55k isn't an insane amount to spend on a wedding... especially for a celeb/influencer, let's be honest here 😂 Shane and Ryan are more down to earth which is why all the viewers were like wtf, especially with pro Pirate eat the rich Shane lol
@@cannibalamoebas Apparently it was $55k for just the venue.
And yes, $55k IS a lot for a wedding. That’s a whole year of salary for a lot of people.
"What's up demons. It's me, ya boi." One of those quotes that lives forever. I miss those guys on Buzzfeed. Hands down the best thing that ever came from Buzzfeed.
Exactly! I can quote loads of funny lines from the Unsolved days. Nothing from Watcher though…
I only followed two youtube channels after Buzzfeed, Try Guys and the Ghoul Boys
That was their peak content. They've flown too close to the sun now to ever get that back, sadly, imo.
Quinta is the “traditional” breakout star being an Emmy winner on a hit tv show
Omg, I just noticed. Congratulations on 800k!! Well deserved.
Ahhh your voice is phenomenal Jaime!!! I always love it when you sing. ❤
I’ve seen their stuff on Amazon Prime video. They should have chose just one show and pitched it to a streaming service if they are itching for “tv quality” production.
“First World Problems” should be the title of this whole debacle. Wish I no longer lived paycheck to paycheck. How does one stop doing that?
Few ever get to. Just the way it is (unless you got a rich old Uncle on his deathbed).
Become a content creator💖 Jaime had me standing UP this whole video. I am out of mind for not making ad-friendly content already. Good luck to you!
Ok, but you killed the “ALL I WANTED WAS YOOOOOOOOOUUUUUU AHHHHHHHH” 😭
Dude. Your curls looks amazing! I know you don't dive into beauty content anymore, but I would love a hair routine video. My hair is fine and straight, and son's is a combo of loose waves and tight coils. I could definitely use some tips on how to make his curls look so defined and hydrated like yours. ❤
Im a Watcher watcher. Have been since Buzzfeed for Ryan and Shane's shows only. If anyone looked up their first video for how they made Watcher, they literally say they left all the financial stuff up to Steven who has 0 experience in finance. 0 experience in running a business. Why would they do that?! They could have saved a lot of time, money and backlash had they hired someone qualified to run their company's finances for them. The fact that they just hired 2 more Buzzfeed people (specifically for Steven's show) and he's been bragging about his lavish lifestyle for awhile now. Steven's new show is all about jetsetting around, eating really expensive food. There are 25+ employees now. Most all are friends or family members of the guys. Honestly, most of the Watcher audience was in it solely for Ryan and Shane. That's why most of the very negative backlash hit Steven. I will say that I resubed for now. I wont be going back to Patreon for them though. Not for awhile. This just felt so much like a bad break up. They gotta earn my trust and love back. lol
You resubbed? I'm staying unsubbed. We are not the same.
No we are not. I'm not giving anymore patreon support but I want to see what happens and I want to see where they go from here. They did give an apology and I think they are obviously naive and not well managed. I'm willing to accept that they are human and made a bad mistake. I'm humble enough myself to understand that. I don't mind staying subbed for now. My choice.
@laurakirkland4157 lol u are part of the problem.
I enjoy the channel. If I can still watch the videos on CZcams without paying, then why unsubscribe?
I won't pay... But I'm not so proud to stop watching something that brings some laughs to my day...rids some of my stress .....
Let's see what happens in the future.
I’m a watcher watcher. I followed them from buzz feed. They should’ve done a pay wall
Former watcher of Watcher since the buzzfeeed days and I will not be resubscribing to them. Felt like a slap in the face, Jacksfilms did a parody that summed everything up, it was all about the money and they just forgot “about the poors”. The LA lifestyle and landscape comes at a cost especially when one wants desperately to rub elbows with the LA crowd, fund lavish weddings, expensive cars, expensive food and overbloated staff consisting of friends and family. Also give Jacksfilms “Leaving CZcams” a watch! Says it all!
Brand new to this whole situation but definitely am going to watch Jack’s vid after this! Thanks for the recommendation!
@@RJnottheraccoon Highly recommend Jacksfilms parody, at-least in my humble opinion, it encapsulated how it felt watching both of Watcher’s videos about leaving youtube and the update.
@@pinksparkle6891 oh I did watched it as soon as I finished this vid! It was well worth the watch!! Thanks again for the rec!
Been watching for the last 4 hours 🎉 ❤ I rewatched your life update video from last year. Lots of love and support. I hope you are finding enough time for adequate mental rest. 🖤🖤🖤
unrelated to the topic but i love when you burst into song. you sound so good 🩷
"We're going to the UK. We're going to Scotland." Is someone going to tell him that Scotland is in the UK?
😂
Thanks, I came to see if anyone made this comment! 😂
Not by choice for a lot of us!
I so wanted to say this. I am a from Scotland and while we may want independence from English government, it’s still the UK as of now.
It's like when Justin Bieber said "I'd like to thank not only God but also Jesus"
With the amount of free content across multiple social media platforms, I can't imagine how they thought putting formally free content behind a paywall was a genius business move. I feel that most people would just say, "That's sucks," and just click on the next video of someone else they follow that gives the free dopamine injection. While there is a increased quantity of followers/views for increased production value, there's a whole lot of content creators that have a lot of followers, but not the absolute best production value.
People watch bec it is free. I guess they want to make a platform like netflix and have other vloggers join them. If successful then another claim to fame etc. It is not bad to dream but be real as well. People are viewing you for free then all of a sudden you'll charge, it is no brainer people will hate it.
Girl I did not know you could sing like that ! WOW!!! Blown away! Your voice is amazing!!
This! This! I already have youtube, Disney, hulu, and Netflix. 🗣 I can't get anymore subscription 🤯
Their yearly subscription came to $100 AUD. $100 AUD a year is my entire mobile phone bill. They're not in the real world.
omfg what, my mobile phone bill is $45 NZD a month, i need to move
Mines £45 a month!!! Jealous!
Mine's $100 AUD a year as well! Don't get much data, but I make it work
I don't know what this translates to in Australian money but my phone costs $100 a month 😭😭😭
Do you pay your own bill or... what? 100 aud a YEAR???
Jaime. Seriously, you're one of the few youtubers whose sponsored part of the video I never skipped. It's the fact that your scripts are always so full of effort that I'm always entertained by it.
IKR? 👍👍👍
I pay xtra for no ads but I LOVE your ads! 💙💙
Same!
Im a watcher fan from the buzzfeed unsolved supernatural era and a huge fan of your content, seeing you comment on this subject was like yayy my favorite youtube talking about my other youtubers, thank you for sharing!!
I kind of love this idea if it was a collective of CZcamsrs, where you get a lot of variety and value. I have no idea who is actually signing up for just these guys.
It was a decent apology for CZcams, but that is because the standard is seriously that low. But they really ruined the magic and I wouldn’t be surprised if they would actually have to start making cuts. Sometimes you need to make cuts in companies! They chose to cut fans rather than cut coworkers.
I agree. With running a commonly comes hard decisions and some of those hard decisions included cutting staff. It sounds like they have 25 staff. I want to know what they all do b/c as of now they are only putting out like 1-2 videos a MONTH. I can’t see more than maybe 5 people working on one video. And do Ryan and Shane not have a hand in their own videos? Or are they just online personas? I don’t even think the Try Guys have this much staff, they do work on their own video, they are lower quality and a bigger channel. They are all friends and know each other, they should have went to them for pointers. They’ve also collabed a number of times with the UK Jolly guys, a food channel. Low quality and from what I can tell just a few staff members.
I think they grew too quickly and hired too many people too quickly, then plateaued. I do wish them the best but I don’t see this going well for them as it seems a large majority of their followers won’t follow them.
They evidently had no idea how people would react, which I find absolutely gobsmacking
seriously, how removed do you have to be from not only real life, but your OWN audience??
Well it is bec they feel the charge of $6 is nothing and non issue. I believe their audience has that amt but no one wants to pay for something that one is getting for free in the first place.
@stanbalo I confess I'm old and lame and didn't know who these guys were until this vid. That being said, I was wondering how many of their subscribers already pay for CZcams premium so in a way already paid to see their videos ad free. It's like that thought didn't even cross their mind.
Right? That was the biggest thing I got from this. How much they don't understand their fans.
I just shared your Temu video with my entire family and everyone dear to me and you should have a couple of new subscribers from the Netherlands 🤣💕 Dank je wel, Jaime!
Exactly! Its not “just 6 bucks” its that we have to pay that times 10 a month just to watch everything. When you isolate your one product and now make it a formal decision and commitment/separate price you are bound to lose a LOT of interest bc ppl don’t feel you make the cut anymore
Jamie, please never put a wall between us!!!!!
She only has a few...dozen viewers
Haha. Yeah, I second this!
I mean, this is the strategy ScreenJunkies did with their Screenjunkies Universe, and Collegehumor followed with Dropout. Both successfully. Screenjunkies always had a production studio with several shows they built on CZcams, and their app included live and exclusive content. CollegeHumor built longtime audiences over the years with quality sketches and used their app to create hugely successful new shows while still uploading some of that exclusive content to CZcams to entice new subscribers. As the comments section expressed, Buzzfeed Unsolved was a show that wasn't based on live events, sketches, or game shows. It was 2 funny guys talking about unsolved cases. It didn't need a huge production, and people didn't WANT that.
If Buzzfeed's content all moved over like Dropout right after the collapse, maybe that would've worked, but not JUST with Watcher
I explicitly stopped watching when their production value exceeded a certain point. I dunno man. It just didn’t feel the same anymore
As a Dropout subscriber, I love all their content and I'm happy to pay for access to it - but they produce a LOT of different types of content, so my standards for yet another subscription are pretty high! I think Watcher could be successful if they launched maybe in partnership with some other former Buzzfeed folks with big followings?
@@jfabulousalso sam reich put a LOT of his own money to keep dropout afloat- that’s part of why they had to lay off a lot of ppl a few years ago. watcher folks simply didn’t think this through.
@@JMBAD_artsadly yea even certain CZcamsrs cause their personalities felt a lot... less once quality hiked up and I get it ya gotta pay the bills but c'mon man..
Omggg the "I'm in" was everything for me
Love the watchers so much ! Been following them forever. I get why they are trying this with how youtube is. I think we will see more youtubers doing some form of this. I think the prices are the issue :( also I think they should have gotten more youtubers to collaborate with this.
as a bookkeeper and accountant, the biggest cost in most companies will almost always be salaries and payroll. So I am curious how much of a cut these guys get from revenue and how many employees they have and how much they are paid, do you provide insurance and retirement plans, ect? Employee's can really bloat in costs if you aren't careful. They need to layoff a decent amount of people but they feel like they cant cause it would probably screw every single one of those employees given the job market right now.
Interesting. I hear they have 25 employees. Which I find more than they need.
I'm sure they'll start looking for unpaid apprentices
I think they brought over alot of people from buzzfeed, and feel like more friends than employees. They did mention their employees salaries in the apology
@Mama_Bear524 they have like what, 4 or 5 differnt series? How is 25 employees too many?
But then their expecting to now do international shoots.
Idk, seems like they can manage they just want a money grab to do extra that no one asked for.
I also have no doubt this site is costing a pretty penny.
I bet it's just poor money management.
You are the third person I’ve watched regarding the Watcher guys and I’m not sick of it. I was a HUGE fan of Buzzfeed Unsolved and I’m obsessed with how dialed in CZcams is about them absolutely tanking their career.
i love your voice because it always sounds so cozy and calming regardless of what youre talking about. xD
I remember seeing their video series on Amazon prime; I loved them! I didn't even know about this particular CZcams channel. This is a brave endeavor.
I didnt even realize these guy were still around.
Jaime don't downplay your content. I'm sure many of us will take the intimate honest content over the (unnecessarily) over produced hollow content any day. Keep going!!
Wake up babes Jaime French just uploaded
Totes here for it.... Anybody want any? 🍿 🍿 🍿 🍿
@@thtswutshesaidalways here for popcorn lololol
I rock it as soon as I see the notification
She’s not gonna sleep with u…or maybe
@@traviskurtz1244 she's a married Christian sicko. Not everyone thinks like you.
Jaime. I adore your content and THAT SINGING! Such a beautiful voice. Honestly feels like I’m catching up with a friend every time you post a video, so thank you. Wish you the very best from across the pond 😊 x
I love people who can make me laugh the way you do! Thanks, Jamie. Sending love. ❤
funny how it's "We did a bad job explaining the reasoning", not "our reasoning was sheet".
I noticed that too!
PR-coded af 😂. “Never admit full fault.”
Super telling wording 🫠
I usually fast forward through sponsor ads, but I always end up watching yours cause you're just so entertaining.
That "All I Wanted," note was insane, girl.
When she said “it sounds like they worked at buzzfeed” she hit the nail on the head. They flew too close to the sun and got burned. I dropped them after like their 2nd move to a different channel or something. I had it with them. Glad they had a lesson slapped across their face. Hope they actually learned instead of just posting their bs apology video.
I thought they only moved once? From buzzfeed to watcher? This would have been their second move. I was fine with following with the 1st move. But fool me twice…
Yeah, this drama doesn't surprise me in the least. They really started getting arrogant when they started Watcher. Ryan really changed and it wasn't for the better. Then he started faking ghost evidence, and I was done. At this point, it's just more of the same. I mean, all they had to do was keep doing what people loved and be two goofy guys who show up at a haunted location and prank each other while finding nothing. People loved it and it came across as way more genuine. When Ryan started lying and then doubling down on it when he got called out, it was over. I do think Shane found his calling with puppets, tho. He should break off and start his own puppet channel. I'd watch that.
@@m0L3ify I haven't been following their Ghost Files episodes as much as Unsolved. Can you remember examples of when he faked evidence? That is so disappointing because I appreciated their initial approach of investigating and discussing evidence through a believer and a skeptic's point of view, and thought Ryan did a good job trying to be genuine and transparent.
I've always thought Shane was a bit lazy in his arguments though. Witness testimony isn't consistent evidence, but it is definitely evidence of something. Science offers so many explanations for paranormal activity. For example, that eerie feeling? If I remember correctly, there is a hum or soundwave that is not noticeable to human ears but does tend to elicit an uncomfortable, eerie feeling in humans and has been detected in places that are "haunted."
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There are some wild but interesting theories like that people might hear, feel, or see "ghosts" but these are projections from another universe interacting with ours. I was always bummed that he never even tried to look up possible causes for what people honestly experience and basically just says people are lying or letting their imaginations go wild due to a breeze.
Its pure greed, plain and simple. They already have over 13,000 people who are pateron sub and they have a tier that cost 100 a month! They could have opened up membership but they want people to pay for a streaming service for them exclusively, who told them this was a good idea because they def need to be fired
That "all I wanted was you" sent shivers down my spine and gave me life!!😌🙏💖
"We're going to the UK and we're going to Scotland" 😂 dude
Every time I'm watching like NCIS or whatever with my roommate and there's a hacker saying "I'm in!" I turn to him and say "hackers be like I'm in" and he doesn't get it or think its funny, but I think it's freaking hilarious! XD I learned that meme from you, Jaime French. Thank you very much.
The fact that your joke doesn’t land makes it even funnier 😂
@@Mama_Bear524 It's funny to me, that's all I care about 🤣 And I REFUSE to stop saying it.