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In this video, we install and ride test the GET ECU with a combination of exhaust muffler options. We start with the base ECU on a stock bike. We then upgrade to the Pro-Moto Billet endcap on the stock pipe. Finally, we go full dragon and install an FMF 4.1 race exhaust muffler.
Along the way, we give you our trail impressions from real world riding as well as show you some of the potential issues to watch out for. We spend a few minutes explaining the physics of exhaust mufflers on 4 stroke dirt bikes and tell you why pipes make a difference.
We bust several myths about how pipes impact the performance of your dirt bike and we show you how to unlock the beast hiding inside your KTM four stroke bike so it gives you the power and throttle response you expected when you first bought the bike.
We conclude with our recommendations for which exhaust option you should go with based on the type of riding you do and what you can expect from the different combinations.
We challenge several commonly held assumptions about how exhaust systems work on dirt bikes, and we welcome you to disagree with us and tell us why in the comments.
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One of the best build stage comparison I have yet to see GREAT JOB!!!!!!!!
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I put the Get ecu on my 350 from Tacomoto and have been very pleased with it. I also just bought a chin mount from you for the Alpinestars SM 10 and I've been very pleased with that as well. cheers
Awesome, the GET totally changed my bike, I'm a huge fan. And glad the mount is working out 🙂
undercooked sugar taffy (microwave cup with sugar corn syrup butter) and cool in freezer and use to pull insulation fibers as well as glocids (at the base of the spines of opuntia and other cacti). Love this video, answers a lot of questions, thanks for taking the time and effort, great work for the community.
Great video. You answered a lot of my questions. Buying a 2023 KTM EXC500F tomorrow.
Hell ya! Congrats 🤙🏻
Just got into your channel. I’ve been watching taco moto for a long time. I’ll say your doing a great job man. Really enjoy your style.
Awesome, glad these are helpful!
Really well done video! Earned my sub 🤙🏻
Awesome video man thank you.
Enjoyed your practical explanation of the add-ons. The common sense approach is right up there with Ryan of Fortnine, Please keep the videos coming. Have 3 of your chin mounts - each new helemt gets one!
Glad it was helpful!
I run a GET ECU with FMF 4.1 on my 2020 500 EXC-F and it is a RIPPER! Rode stock for about a year before the parts became available and it is now a completely different bike, much like you found. $1500 is a lot to pay for the upgrades, but it changes the bike to what I wanted when I bought it. I'm in SoCal and run the same trails you do. BTW, just sayin, if you're in SoCal we all should support our boys at FMF vs some other brand. Also love your shout-outs to Mike and TacoMoto - they are the best!
Greatly appreciate your classroom discussion, and without going into hours of discussion, you nailed it. Laughing though, I'm not sure who could talk longer, you or Taco Mike. ;)
It looks like you are running OEM headlights. Highly suggest you upgrade to at least a Cyclops LED headlight bulb kit ($100) or better yet, go all they way to bright with Baja Designs.
BTW, if you are getting "thrown over the handlebars" you are relying too much on throttle to manage your [low] speed and you should be using more clutch with higher RPMs. Same with looping the bike.
Love and appreciate your videos. Hope to see you on the trails some day.
Awesome! Yes, riding skill is always my problem, rarely the bike! Happy to support FMF, just wanted to make clear it was an honest review, not sponsored.
Yes, I def need a headlight. It's on the list 🙂.
And I can probably out talk Taco Mike (maybe, lol).
Hi, thanks for this in depth review and explanations on how it works, and I agree with you as far as I was taught about this matter. May I just add that pipe diameter and length from head to muffler are calculated aiming at best flow for a certain rpm, meaning it's a compromise so that before and after the aimed rpm , the flow is less optimum. We may see that KTM lengthened the pipe from 2019 aiming at lowered rpm optimum which we like when riding enduro. On the contrary, adding an intermediate chamber aim at higher revs optimum which MX guys like a lot. About the sound dampening, it is directly impacted by the volume of muffler: more volume , less decidels, but there too is a optimum volume for best volume to dB Reduction ratio. And on top of this, fuel mapping , when changing fuel to air ratio and ignition advance, directly impacts engine performance/resistance to stalling vs speed of highering revs ( as I experienced it with Yamaha tuner on YZ and WRF). The only minor correction I'd like to make on your wording is: firing is not explosion but only combustion. Explosion with too lean mixture drives to holes in piston . Combustion of compressed mixture gives a volume increase in the chamber that pushes the piston down. Remember 4 strokes ( 4 cycles) are: 1st stroke down to get mixture in chamber, 2nd stroke up to compress mixture, combustion to have the 3rd stroke down, and 4th stroke generated by flywheel turning inertia to push burnt gases through exhaust.
Great added info. Thanks for watching and for the feedback
did similar mods to my aussie 23 husky 501 …2T high flow airfilter cage/vortex ecu/sxf end cap and muffler cone removal…bike is well and truly above my skill level…so i put it back to stock for the tight trails i ride…need to find a map for the vortex that is mild…then with the map switch i can have wild n mild…
Just ordered a chin mount and I wanted to thank you for the extremely helpful info you’ve shared in the video. Just got into dual sports this year, bought a couple CRF 300’s to ride with my son and we’re having a blast. My Tiger 900 just sits in the garage as I’ve found DS beats ADV for me. I’m planning to trade the Triumph for a high end dual sport and your experience helped me sway from Beta to KTM or Husky. Only decision left is 350 or 500.
Sounds like an exciting transition for you, very glad we could provide some info. In my humble opinion, go with the 500, it's not much heavier, or more expensive, but offers a lot more performance.
@@ExtremeSportsWannaBes I bought a 21FE350 way underpowered coming from MX bikes. I put a Vortex & FMF on it... Still not powerful enough for me and my type of riding.. I traded it for a 22 501. Stock it went a bit better than the modded 350. I put the remapped for the 501 Vortex on it plus the FMF that l kept from the 350. Much better ! I should have bought the 501 from the start..
That sounds right to me. I've ridden a couple 350s, they seemed a little on the too small side. I'm not really sure what the appeal is. They cost about the same and weigh the same. Why give up half the power?
Appreciate it mate!!
Great video! Thanks
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Cool. I'd,just bought a Graves slip on and a vortex ,and a map switch. Can't wate to rip that combo!
Hell yeah! Let us know how it goes.
@@ExtremeSportsWannaBes oh ya, ill do a review and post it on my CZcams channel.
Do you prefer the modded 500 over the 300 2T? 🤔
Also if you have a 22 model or newer replacing the stock exhaust end cap is a hour long process. KTM now welded a finger clip on the insert so you can’t just pull it out. I went with this option as well and the dealer said both end caps he replaced also on the 2022 had a hell of a time. Just a note
Good to know. I'm happy with the full pipe on mine.
That’s odd. My 2022 500exc 6 days was super easy to pull the cap out.
How’s the power difference from stock to ecm upgrade ?
I tweaked my idle up just a little bit a time to get the cold start perfect. Bike fires up now with zero hesitation. I have a GET ecu with the end muffler screen removed.
That's a good approach to idle.
For the screen, do you mean the whole end cap? Or just the screen? Pretty sure the screen is the spark arrester, which you'll want anywhere but maybe a track.
@@ExtremeSportsWannaBes just the first external screen in the exc stock muffler. I have the reeds removed also.
Oh got it. I need to try the reeds still.
Hey great job on the video. I also have a 2021 500xcf-w. I bought mine new almost a year ago in May of last year. I’ve been waiting for an ECU all this time myself. I finally came across the guys at OEM dirtbike parts great guys. They are taking a stock ECU and having it re-flashed to whatever you want it to be in for a very good price. Mine should be here this week yay! lol I had them map mine to make it is hard hitting as it possibly can be running premium pump gas without doing titanium valves and all that. Anyways getting to the point of why I wrote this comment as I’m curious? I’m doing the FMF 4.1 like the one you have but with the blue anodized canister. I also did the smog removal. I also am removing the reeds doing the high flow twin air filter with the aluminum cage. Doing the venting airbox cover. Again I’m getting off track. lol that’s why I am writing you make no mention of pulling the reeds out or doing the high flow twin air air filter with the aluminum cage which also removes the backfire screen so it can pull more air. I’m just curious if you did those mods and just failed to mention them in the video? I can’t wait to get this all together and just see what a brutal hard hitting machine it’s going to be?? lol also I failed to mention that doing what I’m doing I don’t believe I will have the use of the map switch on the handle bar. I honestly don’t care the throttle is the map switch in my opinion it’s all about throttle control. lol Again great job on the video I enjoyed it very much! Please forgive any typos or anything I may have missed? lol
I've since removed the map switch myself. I agree fully, the throttle is the map switch!
Regarding the air box, I did not make any modifications. I plan to test that at some point, but I've been so happy with it as is it hasn't been a priority. I would suggest running some kind of backfire screen though, my bike sometimes fires back pretty good. The ECU appears to fuel quite a bit and if you have very low throttle angle and then close the throttle, you'll have a bunch of unburnt gas in there to give a good pop!
Yes that air filter is designed to handle backfires and things like that so it should be OK. Removing the reeds in the air boot is much more important than running the high flow air filter. I’m surprised that Mike at taco moto didn’t make that suggestion to you from the beginning? He and Jeff Slavens have videos on how to remove them. If you do remove them and try it I would love to know what the difference is what you felt different? Because I already have pulled mine so I won’t know if there’s going to be a difference when I get it all put back together. Thanks for replying to me.
I'll try that and do a video about it at some point. Just need to find time 😜
@@doughowe5792 Premium pump gas isn't the best as it has additives that gum up things when it starts to evaporate away. I have been told this by two dealers and a race mechanic. You guys have a different octane system to us in Australia so l don't know the name of the fuel that you should use. Don't use ethanol based fuels either. We have 91, 95 & 98 octane fuels, l use 95 now. Also using 95 over 98 the tank hasn't yellowed half as much as my last brand new bike that l ran nothing but 98 in. That is because of the additives in 98
I'm in the "waiting for my Get" mode. I purchased a '22 EXC-F 500 and have gotten everything available form Mike so far. I intend to install all of the upgrades used. But I'm wondering why you never mentioned the reed valve in the intake track. For air to flow out, air must be able to flow in at the same rate! For this I went with the Euro intake boot.
I have not removed the reeds. I will at some point, but I don't believe they create much resistance. I've seen massive power improvements even with them still in.
@@ExtremeSportsWannaBes those reeds are insanely restrictive! It’s a 511cc engine, look at how small it makes the intake tract!
I noticed you are running what looks like the Trail Tech Voyager Pro unit. After installing the Trail Tech, is that how you were able to see that your idle speed was running low? I presume that after the idle speed was corrected it was then that the GET ECU was implemented? Is it correct to say that the Tacomoto map 2 is what causes the hard starting due to flooding? Aside from that initial 75 mile map 2 ride, do you actually run map 2 or is that reserved for something like low octane fuel, or just bad gas in general?
Yes, that's a trail Tech. But, I don't use the tach, I could tell idle was low by engine sound characteristics of pull off low throttle.
I did fix the idle issues completely before starting into the GET testing.
As far as map 2, I didn't have much luck with it. I run map 1 100% of the time. I might run map 2 for low octane use if needed.
Great video, however, I have a 2024 501. It's a whole new world. I just got the Promoto end cap and waiting on a JT tuner. Done ✅. The stock pipe has a resonator in it that's good for low end torque. Just use the end cap by ProMoto. That FMF might be a straight through pipe that's only good for high-speed desert runs.
The JD tuner? Looks a lot like DOBECK EJK from Tacomoto.
How did it work, did you take the smog stuff off? I get my 501 next weekend 🎉
My mistake, I got the power commander 6 with taco map, promoto and cap, de-smog, and a 13t front sprocket. In addition you may want to consider the takemoto tail titty kit with the LED front turn signals. I'm happy with everything
@@RayzGarage Awesome thanks 💪🏽
@@RayzGarage what made you choose the commander over the EJK?
It's faster and auto adjusts itself...
Awesome video! I currently have the fmf slip on and I want to get the ecu, because it flames out a lot lol and I definitely want to open up the bike to its full potential. Do you think the megabomb header would be worth it paired with the ecu???
I'm honestly not sure. I haven't tried the mega bomb. I think it'll work to move the power somewhere else in the band, but I don't know how it'll feel.
From what l've heard from others, they aren't worth the $$. The stock header is fine.
FYI - keep an eye on you muffler packing while running a spark arrestor. I had my packing plug up my spark arrestor on my pro moto endcap causing a major restriction.
Good call!
So will the more open exhaust help to dissipate heat better making the bike run cooler and not have to rely on the fan so much?
Not really. It’s still going to run in a normal temp range set by your thermostat
I would like to see a comparison on the Power Commander and billet end cap. oh wait I think Mike from Taco Moto did one.
He’s done quite a few great videos for sure
Interesting stuff, my stock 2018 500exc doesn’t flame out. Plenty of low end torque, are there some differences between stock euro/USA/Australian bikes? Thoughts people
Oh absolutely. California models are the worst, but every market has slightly different emissions requirements and it can make a real difference in how the bike performs stock
Have you tried the Athena designed maps vs the tacomoto maps and if so how did they compare?
I have not. The taco map worked so well I never tried anything else.
I'm confused. Your answer to Ablaza3717 was you were only running the end cap . Everything else was stock. I have a Gets but prefer to keep it stock.
Please explain.
Watch the video through and I think it'll make more sense. I went through a testing process where I tried all the combinations. I found that the GET and just an end cap is a very usable combo many people could be happy with. However, for my final choice, I'm running the full FMF 4.1 pipe (reeds left in place).
On a off note I see you use a trail tech dash.. did the trail tech pickup any of the ktms stock sensors or did you have to install all new sensors?
I have since ditched the trail tech, it's too bulky. It can pick up tons of stuff, but you have to change sensors. It can do wheel speed, engine temp, and RPMs, but all require sensors. For engine temp, I added a radiator insert sensor, for example. I never hooked up the speedo, just use GPS speed. And so on.
You need to back the throttle screw all the way out, check it’s at factory TPS voltage , adjust if needed then calibrate the TPS. Start and adjust idle to spec. Your starting issues will be gone.
I did reset the throttle position in the ECU and that seemed to fix it. But super appreciate the tip, will check it out.
The GET needs zeroed at the factory TPS voltage, This is how Mike at Taco recommends. So after you zero the GET and set the idle and if you had the app working you would see 3% at idle. Your missing out by not doing it this way.
Cool, def gonna check it
Is there a way to do one map your off-road fun map and the other map a map that is engineered for the road? Not sure if it’s even needed. One updated map all you need?
Yeah, there’s a handlebar switch and you can load a bunch of maps.
What did you have to do with the ecu installation wise? Just plug and play?
Yup, literally plug and play.
I caught my brand new 2022 on fire doing that exact same thing starting it. Just kept trying and trying and trying and caught fire in the head up the air box and filter. If your running open air box USE a fire retardant filter please. I didn’t have one and had the twin air power cage in and it snowballed after a simple stall. The bike had 18hrs.
Yikes, that's terrible. Yup, I always run regular filters. Good tip
@@ExtremeSportsWannaBes I always run regular filter too. I got the fuel programmer and end cap not the ecu too. And the fuel programmer just fed it to much fuel and it got oxygen and ignited. KTM blames the aftermarket programmer and the programmer dealer blames me for taking out the filter cage spark arrestor🤷🏻♂️ who do you believe🤷🏻♂️ it’s fixed now thank god. Actually only paid 230$ to get it fixed with warranty and I got a refund for the programmer as well. So Now the bike is stock except the end cap and it runs amazing
@@ExtremeSportsWannaBes and I was just looking for a solution to the flame out. The bike has plenty plenty power I didn’t need power. I wanted a good running bike and the dealer reset the TPS turned the idle up and it hasn’t flamed out since
@@ExtremeSportsWannaBes and with the bike running 100% perfect stock (reeds are out of air box and end cap is all that’s done w/ NO fuel mod) I know it will run great with a FMF pipe on it as well. Looking at the GRAVES silencer from taco Moto. My buddy got one and it barks
Have you tried taking out the airbox reed cage... what was your experience if you did?
I have not tried yet. I'm planning to do a follow up about that. Right now the airbox is stock
I took out the reed cage, little snappier throttle response, a little more intake growl, other than that, no big difference. I have end cap and JD Jetting tuner on my bike.
I'll get around to testing that at some point 👍
Can you send the link for the fmf slip on you used? At the fmf site.. it doesn't like anything for the 500excf. Only the xcf-w
The 2021
tacomoto.co/collections/exhaust/products/fmf-factory-4-1-rct-aluminum-silencer-with-carbon-end-cap
It's the same muffler..
31:00 mark that's pretty epic Little Rock trail. It's always twice as bad in real life as it looks on camera too
Absolutely!
so what you're saying is.. i should buy the fmf megabomb header as well as the muffler?
Try it and let us know
@@ExtremeSportsWannaBes have the bike on order, will get back to you 👍 thanks for the video btw 😀
hope you saved your money…stock pipe/muffler are more than capable of flowing when modded….more flow n ecu are the key
Hey could you send me the link to handle bar speedo set up please!
It's the trail tech voyager pro. We do an installation video on it. czcams.com/video/3K40EdiOxRE/video.html
Is there ecu program for 2021 beta 500
I'm not sure, but I'd check with Mike over at Taco Moto
I have a 2020 KTM 500 EXC so let me get straight. Your running your bike with stock ECU with a PRO Moto end cap with the reed s still in the air box.
Is this correct and your satisfy with the bike Performance.? Thanks for all your information. David
I'm running the FMF 4.1 pipe and map 1 of the GET ECU I got from taco moto. And yes, it's a monster of a performance bike.
I believe he still had the reeds in the air box when you asked the question. I don’t know why he hasn’t added the larger straight snorkel to feed the throttle body: big air in--ECU fueling better all through the rpm range-- big air out through the opened up exhaust.
you need a head light upgrade
Sounds like your idle and tps are not set correctly
Idle was part of it. TPS was fine
Your wrong about the dynamics of a four stroke exhaust. A racing exhaust will reflect back a positive pressure pulse thus supercharging the charge. Just like a two stroke pipe. If you look at flat track bikes you will see a lot of reverse mega flow exhausts.
Not sure I follow what you mean by "super charge the charge"? I'm no expert, but two strokes pull exhaust back in to reburn unused fuel. EGR does something similar in some cars, but isn't involved in my KTM or any bike I've worked on.
Stock headlight? 32:55
Yup, might change it at some point
@@ExtremeSportsWannaBes I got the Baja Designs for mine. I may never even ride in the dark but The stock KTM lighting is atrocious. This was a great video.. I'm gonna get the GET and the end cap combo. I know that will be plenty for me. Your testing here helped me finally make up my mind. Thanks... how is the Schuberth mount coming? 😁
Awesome. Yup, the Baja kit looks 👍
Awesome! Glad it was helpful! I tried to order the Schuberth but the only place I could find it was in Europe. It was going to take over a month to ship and then with all of the shipping issues we’ve been having I decided to try and find it here in the states. Haven’t had any luck finding a seller here but I’ll keep looking.
@@ExtremeSportsWannaBes I got mine through Revzilla. Not sure if they still have stock. It's a pricey helmet to get just to fit a camera mount...But then you'll own an awesome helmet.
This sounds like a rehearsed commercial guy.
Mean to tell me you got ahold of Mark at toco moto .I called him un countless left messages phone numbers to call me back and.toco moto nevere did I was in need of some help
$14000 for a bike that needs another $3000 just to get it to do what it should be doing in the first place 🤔🤔.
Just don’t buy a KTM is what videos like this are about, but KTM say READY TO RACE 😂😂😂😂😂.
Its the California State bike!
Anyway, I got a well sorted and suspended 2014 for $5k, add $1k for the Get and endcap. Now its basically perfect. Monster power, easy to work on, easy to ride.
I'm not sure what else anyone who is not actually a pro rider would need.
I liked the video and content. The music in your video made your video very irritating. Probably won't be subscribing to your channel because of it.
I'm heart broken 💔😭
I left as soon as I heard spark arrestor and the word responsible
I see that your headlight is as bad as on my 22 FE501... It's horrible !
It's a bad joke. I'm going to replace it at some point.
Just buy a ktm