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THATS charlie puth???
@@InfinitelyAnonHELP .
@@InfinitelyAnonhe’s the full course isn’t he ? 😍😍 sooo dreamy
Who’s that
I'm surprised she didn't say gremlin...
I think the hardest part to accept about amateur singers trying to pass filtered vocals as raw is just disingenuous and potentially harmful to learners. Basically the same thing as influencers posting photoshopped images. Most of these amateurs do monetize their singing and many posit themselves as mentors or goals, but then don’t disclose the technology that assisted them to that point.
If I saw a professional photoshoot I’d assume the photos were retouched and it hits as less of a “lie” than an amateur influencer posting photoshopped images they edited themselves.
I think the solution is just transparency. But then the amateurs don’t want to admit their vocals aren’t CD-level perfect at all times because it would hurt their image. So they just look like fakers when they don’t own up to it
Yess, exactly! Use filters and autotune by all means, but be transparent. Otherwise beginners might think voices are meant to sound all glossy and perfect from the start.
im not gonna lie bro .. we got ourselves a music industry where every rapper is supposedly a serial killer.. I'm not finna sit here mad that maddie and hailey or whatever use a microphone to make their music sound good on tiktok
@@sam_rowan cool, you're talking about a production, not tiktok where people are trying to pass produced music as candid/ in the moment/ raw/ organic
Artists are using melodyne cuz consumers are shallow and get turned off by the smallest imperfections especially with new/small artist. Bey or Ari can only post barefaced selfies or raw vocals cuz they've earned enough goodwill. Small to mid-sized need to go viral consistently to make a living in the modern music industry & be prioritized by their label. Subtly Tuned vocals & slightly edited images go viral because that is what the majority of consumers prefer while still seeming believable. It's like when guys say they don't like girls who wear makeup but what their behavior actually indicates is they like girls who wear natural/subtle makeup or hv cosmic procedures. The entertainment industry is built on illusions.
That was my thought. It's also really discouraging for learners. When singers/influencers pass the filtered vocals off as raw, they're essentially being told that they can sound like those singers/influencers if they put enough time and energy into practicing. But in reality its nearly impossible to sound that good in a single, live take despite your vocal expertise. So they beat themselves up when they can't reach that nearly impossible goal.
Im sorry but using auto tune while performing a show isnt the same as their tik tok. They wanted it to look like it was candid and off the cuff when its clearly heavily produced.
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they were fully acting out “shocked” reactions to people hitting notes as if it’s candid. they think their audience is dumb.
bro but like why do u care? lol have a little fun sometimes
@@chuggywap they dont have to lie about it lol they can continue to post vids ofc but people are gunna continue to point that out. its ok to admit its not live
Who gives a shit TikTok is a dopamine generator and you're getting mad about it
It is weird to pretend like you're not lipsyncing and are just singing like that in a kitchen 😂 its odd.
So when artists lipsync in music videos pretending they’re singing its weird?
@@murdock9916 you really don't understand the difference? it's about trying to deceive ppl. everyone knows a music video is lipsynced. the kitchen video is pawned off as natural and that's the issue ppl have... this is a REALLY easy concept to understand
@@sporer_ all entertainment is deception. Future raps about drugs and violence constantly and has come out saying he doesn’t partake in any of it. Is future a bad artist bc he deceives his audience? No he’s entertaining then with a character. Is Robert Downey junior a fraud bc he isn’t actually iron man? No. It’s entertainment and deception has always been apart of that
For me it's about an indescribable hollowness present in so many of these artists' videos that are clearly just on TikTok to catch a wave and project an organic artistic process, when in reality they are social media professionals studying trends, making careful decisions to cater to an audience that is sick of being marketed to. I think people direct their comments at autotune because they can't articulate why the falsely organic vibe of these people pretending they don't have industry veteran managers makes them sad.
Yeah Dev saying "why is everyone mad" when people are plainly attempting deception.
Yeah like I totally get Dev's POV but I think she's missing the point that people feel lied to when the artists themselves are clearly trying to pass to vocals as raw.
I think that's a great point. It's young people without a lot of knowledge/experience in this area who don't know how to articulate what's feeling 'off' to them and pick up on a buzzword. well articulated, good take.
This is my favorite comment. Its uncanny and I don't think I'm wrong for wanting authenticity. Like its not really about the auto-tune
I think a lot of people (at least think) we don't WANT perfection...kind of like how we prefer relatable CZcamsrs...hearing a singer mess up a few times live makes them feel more human and imo makes the performance more personal and unique and real
as someone who did chamber and show choir for many years i feel like a lot of ppl have zero idea how difficult it is to sing perfectly while doing a live performance. most ppl dont even know what live singing sounds like compared to something that is touched up
And these performers marketing their touched up vocals as live performances doesn't help either. It's like those makeup remover ads where the lady would "wash" her full face and appear with just less makeup with more natural colors - many young girls thought that was what a clean face was supposed to look like.
Hey! Fellow chamber choir child! Never did show choir, BUT I know I LOVED singing with the chamber choir and hearing the beautiful meld of dozens of voices coming together to sing tight harmonies and rhythms. It almost sounds BETTER for a lot of songs to have those imperfections in tone and voice, because otherwise, it just sounds like 12 of the same person layered perfectly on top of each other to make a tinny, artificial sound.
As a kpop fan, I’ve only seen like a few groups that actually sing live. Because they do these strenuous choreographies and sing at the same time. NMIXX is one of the best. But these Kpop fans are always angry when they don’t perform live, and when they do perform live, they get angry when they don’t sound the exact same as they do in the recordings.
It's so obvious that the first video was prerecorded and mixed, I don't get why there's even any doubt being expressed. It's not that deep but why pretend that your singing is live when it isn't?
Idk, ive heard from a tik tok singer that many of them do a live take and then mix it afterwards
Personally, I dont care too much as many of the singers manage to hold up in more raw, live settings and I'm aware now that what I'm seeing is usually not fully raw vocals. I just wished this was more well known as well ass not something to bash on people for. Its genuinely not that deep
@@mingisfixon6452 Doing a "live" take and then mixing it while posting it in such a way to imply that it is a raw recording of a live performance is just weird to me. Especially since, as you said, most of these people do actually sound good when the vocals are really live.
If a touring artist uses tracks or auto tune to reduce the strain on their vocals, I think that’s totally fair. Athletes have time between games to recover but musicians will play shows day after day on tour. So it makes sense. BUT if these people are presenting videos that are meant to look candid it’s definitely shady to do imo. I hate when people gatekeep in music and making other people think “wow I work on singing so much but my raw vocals never sound that good” just doesn’t sit right with me. It’s like doctoring your “no filter” insta posts.
Bonus thought: if an artist is an incredible songwriter but maybe not the best singer it’s chill for them to use effects/auto tune to help them out. But if someone is like “I’m a singer 💅 “ and then lies about auto tune… it’s kind of like an athlete taking PEDs
literally my exact thinking, thank you for wording this in a better way that I would ever be able to
No one knows the difference between autotune and pitch correction
I think dev here knows the difference but is just using autotune as a catch-all term for production effects
i feel like the whole point of seeing live vocals is about them being live, the imperfections in their voice is something youll never get on a recording; it allows for you to see the artist in more of a humanistic light, there is just something to hearing live vocals and the emotion, i feel the expectation of artist to sound exactly like their recordings is bullshit, i think the audience should expect imperfection, not have artists adapt to their unrealistic expectations of artists.
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Imo the bigger deal is that they’re lipsynching and heavily editing their vocals, not that they’re using autotune. They even add the echo to make it purposefully misleading to the viewer that they singing live
As much as I enjoy Dev's videos, this was very obviously a case of letting your bias cloud you; I can relate to this because I have reacted the same way over dance. I am VERY biased towards people critiquing dancers because I am one.
I have no idea who the person in this video is as I'm barely on tiktok and when I am. I don't really look at "singertok"
But, my pov is that MOST of the people complaining don't have an issue with "autotune" as they don't even understand what that fully is. They DO have an issue with someone lying by omission about posting videos that are "candid" or "raw" when the people posting KNOW they have tweaked the vocals/audio and are essentially lip syncing.
In general, no one cares about people posting songs that aren't 100% undoctored. But if you do autotune, pitch shift,etc.
How hard is it to not make it seem like it's "OMG random"
The genres I typically enjoy listening to are musical theatre, opera, and jazz. All three of those styles do not use pitch correction nearly to the extent that other genres of popular music do. (Autotune in opera is literally impossible live, as opera singers onstage do not use microphones/amplification.) That being said, even if I can hear Autotune being used on a pop singer, I'm usually able to tell by their tone if they're a fantastic singer. All the singers you showed in this video are extraordinary talents, whether or not they use pitch correction. (Anthony Gargiula in particular is a phenomenal prodigy who's done plenty of authentically live covers online to prove himself as an artist.)
yes! idk a whole lot ab vocal training, but "good" singing is so much more than just good pitch. autotune can get you to the right note, but it cant fix bad tone, dynamics, breathing, etc.
Yeah and a lot of rock and metal artists do in fact hate autotune, so I doubt many are using it to correct their pitch live. The 90% thing has to refer to pop and hip hop (in hip hop it’s an integral part of the vocals now)
A(n in)famous example in musical theater somewhat parallel to auto tune is in The Phantom of the Opera, Christines will almost never hit the final note(s) of that ascending descant/run at the end of the title song live during performances. They’ll prerecord and transition to the recording at some point. Everyone knows it and no one really cares.
It would also be impossible to use auto tune live in opera because the vibrato is typically so wide that the voice is actually spanning through 2-4 semitones within that vibrato. Auto tune really messes up when singers have wide vibrato bc it constantly tries to pull the note to the wrong pitch.
this was definitely not the take i expected u to have lmao
i feel like saying "EVERYONE uses autotune" is a cope bc 1) no and 2) thats only addressing the people who complain about the existence of autotune, not people critiquing HOW its used.
autotune and pitch correction does not have to sound robotic and noticable. its okay if youre going for that sound, but if youre belting your heart out trying to sound genuine and it sounds like a computer is struggling to artificially help you hit the notes, its going to sound like shit!
I agree with what you said about live singing and it being near impossible to sound perfect especially when on tour, but I think focusing on that for most of the video is missing the point of this topic. I don’t think it’s fair to say that people can’t be upset about these videos because they are expecting “perfection” that autotune helps achieve, people are upset because the videos are acting like they’re “candid moments” just hanging out and singing when they’re clearly dubbed over and the people in the video are acting like they’re singing live
Most people who are arguing over stupid autotune, while we literally mean that they are faking Raw vocals. Girl literally says her audios are "untouched"
@@veginito9927 ^^^
Love Dev, but I was thinking the same thing. So much of the video was more like “in defense of autotune” or “how can you be so mad at autotune” when that wasn’t the issue and I felt like the nuance was WELL within reach. It was just kind of… Iffy.
I think both things are true - people are bandwagoning and making the situation out to be far worse than it is and giving her more hate then she deserves, but it is clearly heavily produced and it's somewhat disingenuous to act like it was a candid. The difference is the expectation - people usually expect big artists to have a backing track or pitch correction or whatever during a show, but if it's a tiktok trying to present authenticity and it's clearly not completely authentic, yeah it's expected that people might not like that.
I think you’re looking at it… I know you’re looking at it… From a musician point of you. People are pissed off, or annoyed, or upset or whatever because she is presenting these scenarios as real unadulterated moments. What’s the point of you sitting on the kitchen counter with a group of ppl in the kitchen or standing around in the garage singing and really selling it by physically expressing and emoting (apparently acting) if not to appear to be a fully authentic moment even sporadic; like she accidentally caught it on film. That’s like dubbing a produced version of you singing the uploading that audio video of you in shower acting like you singing and showering. It’s all about the context. And that’s the point here. She purposely removes context clues that would make it clear. This is a produced dubbed version of my voice and introduces actual characters and contextualization to make you think that this was an off-the-cuff session arrest and this is how she sounds completely unadulterated like I said, and how she sounds at singing in the shower. Do you have understand a lot of people were really upset when they found out Brittany spears doesn’t have the best boys. She can sound great if she sits still and it’s the right moment and the right songs. and she’s had a cuppa tea or whatever, but she was presented to us like she could blow like Christina her competition. Now people understand you’re not just watching Adele walk around slowly with a microphone blowing her lungs out in Vegas when somebody is got costume changes and they’re dancing and doing the Choreo. I don’t expect anybody to sing. Nobody surprised that Beyoncé talks to the audience and you can hear her vocal track in the background. We know now that it is a totally different experience for the artist what they hear their voice, etc. when they’re on stage. That’s why faking it when you’re not on stage is a contextualization manipulation. It’s not a lie it’s not that people hate auto tune. It’s simply that. this person is very obviously trying to hide the fact that she is dubbed herself singing meaning when she did sing off the cuff in the kitchen, or in the parking garage her voice wasn’t great or she didn’t like the way it sounded. So she fixed it but then what’s the point of us liking it or being impressed by it. That’s not what we’re watching you for. We’re watching you for your voice but what does your voice really sound like.? It’s like all those people that have a full on careers from doing a Justin Bieber cover on CZcams or like the Bailey sisters. Imagine finding out that they were getting all that and. they cannot actually sing. She wants you to walk away and go “wow that chick has an amazing voice. She can really blow “when in reality she’s working on it or she cannot reach the notes she’s pretending she can’t etc.. I also understand that when you’re watching anything on any social media platform, believing what you’re seeing is an automatic no but then again when people hide and lie or. Omit information it’s never for the most pure, and honest reasons. Why didn’t you just post a real Voice if she can really sing and sound great white dammit why auto tune it why produce it why any of it…? Is it some bigger statement on Music if so, you’re gonna have to start let people in on the joke you know. Nobody should be hating her. You should even be mad about this. It’s just disappointing yet again.
2:54 it's absolutely true that many singers don't use autotune live; the only way you can think that's an unreasonable statement is if you're only thinking within a very small range of genres
Yeah idk where she got that from but there's no way 90% of singers are using it live
No all of the big artists use live autotune
yeah, i think dev might have exaggerated a bit with the 90% but also she has a point because i would say most people, average music enjoyers, are not aware that some of their favorite artists use pitch correction when performing live. i don't think some people are aware it's even possible. i've seen countless cases of people praising some singer's vocals when they were obviously smoothed out & edited either in real time or in post-production. in some cases you can hear it when the singer is casually speaking to the mic & their words sound very clear and maybe a little smoothed out compared to normal speech.
no, majority of singers do. seriously
I go to metal and rock gigs and have never once seen anyone being autotuned so I think you're right and the 90% thing may be quite specific to the pop genre etc
Honestly for me, it’s the weird ass runs, like not every song needs a run. I remember her cover of crazy because of how awful that run was 😅
The only cringe thing ever would be to act like youre not using autotune when you are, otherwise, who cares hahaha. Good vid Dev ❤
There are good uses of autotune/pitch correction but a lot of times it makes music sound sterile and inhuman, in my opinion. Most of the time I’d rather hear the imperfections.
I personally don't want perfection from a live show. I do get that those sort of big stadium shows is a whole other deal.
But, generally I prefer vocals that aren't perfect.
I just think it is really disingenuous and damaging to put something out and claim it is fully your own when you are actually editing it. If I watch a music video I know that they are going to edit it which is perfectly fine but it is the fact that they are pretending that this is their natural voice. It’s kinda like on instagram when people edit their photos to make themselves look ‘better’ and then don’t disclose that they have edited it. This creates unrealistic standards for teen girls and beginner singers alike.
Use all the auto tune you want but just don’t pretend that it was a fluke moment that caught you off guard when you have actually edited it for an hour lol ❤
they dont even make it look real 🤨
As a singer who doesn’t use autotune who knows a whole bunch of singers who don’t use autotune I feel absolutely crazy listening to you claim everyone uses autotune. It’s a reasonable expectation for an audience to have that people recording themselves singing live in these TikTok videos aren’t using autotune, especially since they’re pretending it’s their unfiltered voice, just like when people pretend they aren’t using beauty filters, it’s understandable for people to not like being lied to. And no hate to singers that filter their vocals and I’ll admit I’m probably biased but there is absolutely a difference between a natural human voice and a filtered one and people have every right to prefer one over the other.
especially performers in theater, opera, etc
Ok here's the difference to me:
An artist uses pitch correction and autotune to fulfill their vision of a song/piece of music -> Good
A singer uses autotune to fool you and to pass it off as their own voice for clout -> Bad
These influencers aren't really releasing music, they want to show off how well they can sing... while not showing their singing. Nobody (ok, let's be realistic: less) people would complain if it were a song they released that was edited. People feel tricked because they are trying to trick you.
I feel like I've stepped into some sort of alternate reality. Why are you describing live shows, that existed without autotune for centuries, as being some Olympian feat that we shouldn't be expecting from singers? Who cares if someone is a bit flat or sharp live? They're live. Everyone gets that it's hard. No one's gonna throw tomatoes at them. I hope you're wrong about almost 100% of singers using autotune live. I wasn't aware of this and it's very depressing.
to anyone confused:
autotune is a plugin that can be used live or used in recordings.
most artists in their recordings use software like melodyne, flex pitch, or newtone to edit their vocals in a more natural sounding way. even with autotune turned down to a very slow attack it’s still incredibly obvious when someone is using. think T-pain. it’s not subtle. and doesn’t sound like any of these tiktok videos.
so if this natalie girl really took the time to edit every single video using these tedious programs then yeah sure maybe you could accuse her of editing.
but as someone who gets paid to edit vocals using flex pitch on a daily basis. I can tell you with 100% she isn’t using it. all these programs are destructive and add artifacts to the sound.
You do realize that there are filters other than actual music editing software, correct? This is like saying because they aren't clearly using photoshop, that they aren't using Instagram filters. This is just complete nonsense
@@dangerxbadger2300I really wanna be nice but you’re being so condescending and so wrong at the same time
SHOES on the COUNTER!?!?
SHOES ON THE KITCHEN COUNTER????!!!!
OMFG, whyyyyy!?!?!?!?
Ew, ew, ew, ew, ew, ew, no!! NOO!!!!
Also lots of artists don't necessarily use autotune They partially lipsync portions of their songs, the rest of the song is live
I'm gonna assume Natalie is a friend of Dev lol
Or maybe she just has a different opinion? Wow
@@allisoncastle I'd like to think she's taking this stance out of personal bias and not because she genuinely believes some of these awful takes about the inevitability of autotune and generally acting as if people aren't reasonably put off by the dishonesty of "live" singing tiktoks.
@@6235riveryea and also she ignored the times she says her audio is unedited on ones that are
To me it seems more like not realizing what the actual criticism was, and being in the music industry in general it seemed like she just didn’t understand that the criticism wasn’t auto tune but the misleading nature of the videos
@@jamesgriebler I hope so. I usually respect the hell out of her opinions. I hate to imagine Dev earnestly doubling down on these takes.
Conveniently leaving out the fact that she said that her audio is unedited. It almost feels like you’re purposefully missing the real reason people are upset at this.
...what's the real reason?
@@thedevillovesyou she claimed her audio is unedited when it’s obviously edited. Using auto tune is fine, but don’t lie about it :/. She even has a video on CZcams saying “this is for everyone accusing me of using autotune” as if she doesn’t.
@@smokeyskeet1694 i thought she said everyone uses autotune including her
yayyy needed a vid to eat to thanks bae
literally same
Do people forget that the only way auto tune works / sounds good is if the person using it is actually a good singer? A bad singing voice still makes auto tune sound bad.
I'm sorry dev, but like the fact that yes, most artist use autotune doesn't make it a good thing, most people don't know or simply don't understand how far the use of autotune goes, and nobody in any place will tell you that if you don't look it up, so, if the artist you pay to play doesn't tell you ether, it ends in something that feels like a lie, as i said, if most people don't know how autotune works, they have no reason to suspect it
And In this videos is the same thing, but like, worse, it's like if someone on the internet uploaded a drawing that was half finished by AI, without tell anybody it was made with I, it Feels cheap, like a lie, and why would you lie on the internet like that? Makes you look like loser, like, who are you trying to impress?
Ummm or we just do the quick google search for ourselves if we actually care that much, the fact that people get butthurt when they dont even know is stupid to me
I think more transparency and less fakery in art can only be a good thing. Use pitch correction if you want, but don’t pretend you don’t.
@@cherrybomber69 how do you search something you don't know exist, what does "he fact that people get butthurt when they dont even know is stupid to me" is soppose to mean, like, if your point is that, is stupid when people get mad at autotune because they didint know it existed, then it makes no sense, it's like saying that your adoptive child is dumb because he didnt know he was adoptive
Its not about the autotune most of us do not give a fuck about autotune. Its that these people are disingenuous and acting like they are singing live or getting a 'candid" shot when they are in fact not.
Dev tries not to miss the point challenge (impossible)
Dev spittin fax tbh
Idk why so many people think that every artist uses/has used auto tune. That shit was invented in the 90s…
I watched taylor swift perform 47 songs for three and a half hours in a heatwave in rio the janeiro the other day. She sang, danced multiple choreographies, engaged with the crowd, gave her all, and it was amazing. I don’t give a ffff if she was using autotune. I actually hope she was because if not the stress of hitting every song flawlessly for 3 and a half hours in a heatwave would certainly damage her voice.
I honestly agree but I do hope if she does use autotune she tells us
I’ve literally never watched you before. How did I see this 20 MINUTES after is was posted
But I will be watching more 🤭
Because you deserve the blessing of Dev ✨
I see people who don't like hip-hop say "oh, it's so clear they're just using autotune" like their favourite artists doesn't.
Its just that simple hip hop artists use auto tune as an instrument and not just to hide their voice.
something about you reminds me of blair waldorf in the best way possible. i also love the way you talk 🤭
I think 95% is a lot tho. Maybe in your genre of music and the styles but “most if not all”?! Have you ever gone to a small show? A punk show in a dive bar? Hell, even a Mountain Goats show. Fuckin kids man. To assume because we have the tech and that’s what’s popular with your demographic means that’s just how it is is wild. Such an over-generalization I would’ve not expected from Dev. Have you been to a National show? Bro very clearly does not use auto tune. So many shows I’ve been to are so different from the recorded albums. Hell, that’s why there are live versions of albums, period.
of all the concerts i've been to i can think of one where it's possible they were using autotune, and i still doubt it on that one
I agree with your point but also wonder how you know they aren't using autotune/ptich correction if it's so imperceptable? I don't think artists I've seen have used it either but now I'm not so sure.
I don’t think I’ve ever been to a big show that had autotune on the vocals. Pretending like almost everybody uses pitch correction is kind of taking away from all the people who sing without it, imo. In lots of genres, using pitch correction would be the exception to the rule. I mean… do people realize that we have decades of great recordings *before* they invented pitch correction? People can and do sing good enough to not use it.
I’d say in the studio it could be closer to 90%. Live definitely not.
they did NOT lip sync for their lives
When Dev gives us a new video, I turn romantic and flip birds while repeating all the flowers in alphabetical order, in order to flirt with the people who have a nice day
im in music school and a lot of my finals are live performances. my friends and i (all different voice types) were lamenting about how no matter how great our technique, we just don't have the stamina for the gospel concert we just put on. for me singing live is so physically tiring but emotionally energizing. autotone only works for people who already sound pretty fucking perfect.
Happy little day… Now!
nobody’s mad the videos are just cringe lol they make it look like they’re belting their hearts out and most (not all) are completely fake. i’m just gonna assume you’re friends with natalie lmao defending her with your life
exactly it’s so patronising lol
yeah it's not the autotune that ppl are mad about (everyone knows most artists use autotune) it's the deceptive premises of the videos
Using pitch correction to help with imperfections in your voice doesn't mean she's not belting her heart out. In fact she likely is actually belting her heart out because if she failed at hitting the note completely, it wouldn't sound like she hit the correct note even post production. You're just hating on it mindlessly
me after I go under surgery to install antares autotune artist inside my throat (its sitting on top of my vocal chords)
Also, regarding the girl at the beginning who did that super impressive vocal run from Gnarles Barkley’s ‘Crazy’ in that parking deck…just dayum! Obvi extremely talented and tbh I had no idea that those vocals had been prerecorded. I think that in settings such as that - where the live aspect of the performance in a public space like the parking deck - prerecorded vocals are borderline dishonest. She was a new creator trying to make her mark and she basically cheated a little, yanno? Now, the other instance where she and her friends are in the kitchen of a home and they video themselves lip syncing to THEIR OWN songs…yeah, I don’t have a problem with that. I mean, it’s their voices you’re hearing so it’s like, the work has already been done. Besides, soooo many other musician influencers do it that way. Should she be demonized? Hell no, not in my opinion…but that’ll ultimately have to be settled by her fans.
Now all that weird physical stuff and the neurotic squirming and jumping around and sh*t…she can keep all that 😸
shoes on the kitchen counter 🤨
We appreciate your videos so much, Dev!!
fully agree with everything you said about live performances but this isn't about that, this is about influencers making a tiktok in their kitchen order to seem more relatable but having it all touched up and produced. just seems disingenuous in the same way as people using photoshop on their instagram pics. like they're tryna come across as just singing in their kitchen for a lil video but really its all produced and planned out
Music and art isn't a competition. Chances are, people are just trying to make their work as enjoyable for other folks using the tools at their disposal. Am I cheating at art by using my tablet and drawing software?
I think your point is correct, but those videos are definitely awful and I wish I would have never seen them. 😂
I don't think my favorite artists use autotune, most of them have been around longer than autotune.
There's nothing wrong with using autotune, the problem is that they're not disclosing it... I don't think any analogies need to be made to understand how dishonest that is
Glen Devron is someone who knows what he's talking about and has a few very good videos about "tiktok singers" and how their vocals are often edited.
I seriously love your videos! You put so much effort into critiquing while making sure to genuinely care about other people’s feelings. It’s amazing!
Also, please never stop making music! I cannot stop playing your latest EP on repeat! ❤
Happy little day, today and now!
People just want to be pissed off about EVERYTHING
its not that they're lip syncing over recorded vocals, they're recording the vocals live in the video, then editing them later before they post it. that's why some of them sounds more "real" because it still has the echoes and volume etc as the live vocals from the original video. it's unethical when singers pose it as live and unedited. whether or not they explicitly state it, it's still deceiving.
That intro is just perfect 😭😭 makes my day everytime
enlightening video, I loved this!! ❤ dev you are the best ilysm
dev listening to you talk about music is so cool and always makes me so emotional, it’s been so fun and awesome watching you grow and expand on your insane musical talent. I saw you live this year and I was blown away by your voice and stage presence and everything. You’re so fucking cool and it’s gonna be so fun to see how far you go!!!!
Ive never seen any metalcore, deathcore or hardcore band use autotune, nothing but pure skill on their end
Genuine question but how do you know they don't?
@@nikkio2497 I've literally spoken to vocalists. maybe in metalcore the clean might have some but that is waaay in the minority than majority, literally just listen to any studio version vs the live version of a song, it's just raw vocal power
@nikkio2497 there is even hella videos of non mic'd up vocalists just showing off what they're capable of and in some cases sound just as good
@@Dom404 Yeah I get you. With Dev claiming 95% of people using autotune and that people who don't use it are lying I was questioning my sanity a bit lol. I feel like I can tell if it's tuned bc I can still hear the artists going a little flat or sharp. But I go to more punk/alt shows so maybe it depends on the genre.
@@nikkio2497 oh for sure usually you can tell when an artist is being authentic in their vocal performance. I just think it's bad to say 95% of artists when like the entire hardcore and metal genre literally don't (unless you're like one of the tippy tippy top bands)
Love your “happy little day” dev
I honestly don’t care if they record the vocals beforehand. It still sounds good.
Missing the entire point. This girl says her audios are untouched and thats why people are being mad. Rather convient you skipped over that
The ones recorded in the parking garage definitely seem recorded in situ. I dont necessarily mind the touchups or anything, but i do think prerecording audio so you can then go and film it in your kitchen is a little annoying because it seems like they're trying to pass it off as though they were actually singing in their kitchen when that was so obviously not the case
Love your transparency I’m so glad I discovered you though hivemind you’re literally so cool
GOD, nightstand IS SUCH A BANGER!!!1
“Guys, it’s TikTok” 😭 real
I don't get why we aren't allowed to expect more or want better from people who post to TikTok? Like yeah everyone knows Instagram is full of photoshop but you can still want creators to not photoshop or at least be honest about it.
I’m an audio engineer in training. I’ve worked hard at training my earholes. These clips sound like fantastic audio with minimal touch ups that would be so much fun to mix.
My singing sucks so bad, I'd have to use enough Auto-Tune to make 100 gecs blush.
I would assume the only singers who don’t need auto tune live are opera singers, or at least singers who are classically trained, who have years and years of constant professional vocal training
I’ve been waiting for this topic!!’
I literally could not imagine doing a long ass performance with dancing and etc etc and your voice not be shaky while moving around so much
I don’t know anything about the TikTok singer, or have an opinion on her, but when people say “everyone uses auto tune” in response to criticism about auto tune, I feel like they are just trying to shut down discussion…
Newer artists use autotune live. The artists that REALLY take their vocal skills seriously don't use it live.
0:25 biggest crime is homegirl putting her nasty ass shoes on the counter.... girl if you don't get off that counter right this second
Dev reporting on the good stuff once again, love u and love ur content babes
You can tell @6:52 that is live. There’s natural “blemishes” on this one that are indicative of actual live singing. I think the reason people act so snarky is because some of these people are “good singers” and “that means you shouldn’t be using auto tune.” People aren’t critical of people like Kanye, who used very heavy auto tune for 808s & Heartbreak, because he admits he can’t sing.
Ultimately, everyone does use auto tune and it’s easier to excel if you know you have a net to catch you.
I saw dev in Utah where they had technical difficulties with auto tune. Amaaaazing show!!!
hi dev! u look so so gorgeous (as always but srsly my first thought was omg so pretty) ur hair looks super cute like that
The first video looked really bad to me but the rest are better. If they are editing it though I find it weird that they keep trying to present it as raw and untouched.
You are bringing joy to my finals week 🎊🎊
dev, i never comment on ytb vids but when i opened the video and i saw we were wearing the same hoodie i smiled so hard even tho i had a bad day and also the video is great and your music is too btw i was blown away by liver your work is huge and relevant artistically
As a live performer lemme give you the run down.
1. For the most part, the only time you would want to use medium auto tune is when you’re doing a show That would require the production quality. (Thousands of viewers) other than that most people would just do the show raw vocals.
2. Every live performer knows to do sound check to make sure your vocal settings on Your Mic is good for the show (which might include slight autotune).
3. We’re humans who are flawed. We aren’t going to hit every single note every single time… we darn goof. Just watch the show and Enjoy the vibes🔥
When I see people complaining about artists that use autotune saying they don't have talent, it really just lets me know that they don't know what they're talking about so I can ignore them pretty easily lmao
The only case I understand is people saying they don't like T-Pain style music. Totally fine, that's me too lmao. When I was in middle school T-Pain made me think I hated autotune across the board as well
Its more nuanced than that, and its an opinion. What would be dumb is someone saying they dont believe certain artists dont use autotunes in situations where its common. There are lots of styles and genres where its not appropriate or where hearing the "flaws" can be better
Saying that anybody who uses autotune has no talent is not an opinion, sorry @@unknown6390
I get if you didn't understand I was talking about that specifically because I put the 'in any way whatsoever', that's on me. The reason I said I can understand people simply not liking it is for the exact reason you said, that's just an opinion and I don't care about that
Bless you and your reasonable brain
Nobody tell these guys that their favorite artist isn’t singing in their music videos, either.
I never understood why people hated when artists used autotune
Like why are you getting mad that someone’s making their music sound good? Not everyone is born with good vocals so I think it’s not fair to be upset about it when it happens. I just want to be able to listen to a song and enjoy it I don’t care if someone is editing their voice just pleasantly stroke my eardrums with your sounds please
Most of my favorite music was recorded before auto tune existed so I feel kinda singled out by not being scolded 😂
week 4 of liver on repeat
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