Kreg 720Pro Is BAD! I Made It Better!
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
- I got the Kreg Pocket Hole Jig 720Pro to review and compare to the Kreg K5. I've been using the Kreg K5 pocket-hole jig for almost four years now. I've drilled more pocket holes than I can count. I think if you're deciding between the Kreg 720Pro vs the K5, you should get the K5. The K5 is a much better made jig than the 720Pro. The Kreg 720Pro is poorly designed and feels cheap. These are my thoughts.
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0:00 Intro
0:56 Pocket Hole King
1:40 Unboxing Kreg 720Pro
2:42 720Pro Self Adjusting Clamp
4:07 Adding 720Pro Extension Wings
5:54 720Pro Dust Collection
6:28 Kreg Messed Up
7:44 Kreg 720Pro Drilling Pocket Holes
9:16 720Pro Compact Mode
9:30 Mounting 720Pro to a Board
10:50 I Fixed the Kreg 720Pro
12:20 Kreg 720Pro is Cheap
13:48 Outro
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Matt, you missed one feature of the 720Pro. You can take it to the work. You can leave sheet goods for whatever on top of cookies (or other spacer) on your bench and work your way around the panel with the 720Pro. So no more needing to try and balance a 3/4" thick piece of plywood in the jig. I think that is why the 'Lego-like' attachment of the wings. Easly removed so the jig can work horizontally on the bench.
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Keep up the great work!!!
“Just sweeping your sawdust“ HA! Love it!
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If you don't read manuals. You ARE NOT always reviewing the entire product. I am shocked by the number of reviews that say, "I don't know what this is for..." or they set up products incorrectly and base reviews thereon. Those aren't "reviews." Those are uninformed opinions. Maybe that's why you aren't sponsored. That is my uninformed opinion.
Got a sense of humor I'll sell you for a dollar. 😂
I am basing a project I am currently doing on the pocket hole. I had picked it up couple years ago and it’s been moving from one tool box to another. Then I started watching 731 and started thinking why not instead of why. Haven’t got up to using it yet but I think it’s going to give me versatility. And I needed something to try to get me back on the horse after some injuries and other issues the doctors diagnosed while treating the injuries. We live and learn. That’s what keeps us coming back.
for sure
Thanks for the review. Helped me make up my mind if I wanted to pick up a clearance priced K4 or K5 versus picking up the 720 pro instead. I liked the idea of it folding up and storage for my garage shop but not pleased with basic design flaws that you pointed out.
Yeah, it's not good
Thanks for the honest review brother. I was considering upgrading to this new Kreg product and now I might hold off for an update. On a side note, you are one of the individuals that inspired me to start woodworking as a side hustle. I follow your channel regularly from down the bayou in Louisiana. Please keep the content flowing. Thanks again and God Bless.
awesome! 👊
The reason the wing compartments are attached as they are is that they are intended for removal! If you remove them, flip the main unit for use with a piece of plywood, you can them set the front of plywood on the wings to support it. By locking them down you've eliminated this feature unless you want to undo the screws each time you get to pout pocket holes into the edge of plywood (or any other stock).
Thanks. I don't think I would ever use it the other way. I've had the K5 for a long time and never needed to use it flat. I do have the R3 though so that may be why.
When my wife and I moved into our house, my parents bought us a couple power tools as house-warming gifts. They're very carpentry oriented and I've been watching them do stuff kinda like this almost all my life while I live with them, but was minimally involved. It didn't interest me at the time. Anyway, I didn't notice until last weekend that they had bought for us one of the small pocket hole jigs that needs one of the separate clamps. It was just sitting there still in the wrapper! There was even a box of extra Kreg screws with the different thread sizes and lengths! It's like they knew what they were buying us! XD First this I did with it? Used it to make some chevrons.
Thanks for the extra encouragement in the videos. I haven't had the drive to get out and try my hand at woodworking. I ended up building a shutter for my kid's bedroom window last weekend as well and it fits pretty well minus how the hinge is mounted on the house. Regardless, sometimes, I just need to be reminded that it honestly doesn't matter if other people like what I make or do. Each time I do anything with wood or my saws, I'm a little better at it and that's really what matters! Thanks!!!!!
Glad to help
I bought the 720 pro about 6 months ago and the first time I used it was outside for some fence repairs. It was the first pocket hole jig I ever owned and it was awkward to use. I decided then that I will mount it on a board and did just like you did, but made the two side pieces about 4 inches out and it works well now. I simply clamp the board on my workbench and I am satisfied with how it works (so far).
Laughing my butt off when you tried to open the storage and hit the dust collect hose and just stopped. Good stuff. Great video.
lol it really did surprise me
Great review! I agree with you on the cheaper feel and the "less than positive" feel on the clamping handle. The main thing I don't like is that you can't remove the drill guide and use it as a portable pocket hole jig. I feel that the K5 is a more solid and versatile system. Think I'll stick with my K5. Again, great review and I love your channel!
Thanks. K5 is the way to go
@@731Woodworks out of blue ones maybe yes butt ever have don pock holes yet im just going by seeing and hereing you all
So glad I saw your video before I bought the 720 Pro. Your thoughts were confirmed on the several other reviews I watched. Finding a K5 proved hard to find, especially in good used condition. After several weeks of looking a NOS came up om Ebay for $75. Very happy with the K5.
Nice job on the unboxing Matt, the fact that you tell us exactly how you feel is very refreshing! Thank you Matt !
Glad you enjoyed it!
I love the honesty of this review. Sometimes bigger and better isn’t actually better. Thanks for the review and keep up the good work. 👊🏼👊🏼
Thank you 👊🏻
So glad I watched this. I was really thinking about getting one. But I think what you said hits the nail on the head, “Good idea, but poorly implemented.” I’ll keep my K5 👊
K5 is great
Love your videos. Thanks for the review. In regards to the storage boxes if you just swap the side they are on would you still have that clearance issue? Instead of having them open facing you you switch them to have them open facing away from you. Just a thought I do not have the tool just something I noticed that might help with one of the flaws. I like what you have done so far look forward to more videos.
Thank you
Love this review. Honest as hell. Appreciate your time and honesty.
I love your honesty! I agree with you professional definitely needs to be held to a higher standard and they let us down with this tool! I have been on fence about this and 716’s review made me skeptical of it and now with your input I think I need to hold off and hope for a new or updated version. Sadly I don’t think their R&D department has any woodworkers involved.
Thank you so much!!
I have had a kreg for years and I love it. Thanks for the review. I'll keep my k5. What a man just throw those instructions away. GOD BLESS
Thank you
Thank you ever so much. I have a K4 given to me by my older sister from when she made doll furniture years ago. When the K720 Pro came out I decided to get one for the wings and it was the latest and greatest. After watching I decided to go with the K5. Like you I'm sure the K720 Pro is nice but there are some, ever so minor issues I question the long time durability. I am a Kreg fan too.
The K5 is awesome
Swap the the wings from left to right and have them lift from the back, to avoid bumping the lid against the vacuum hose.
to me it look like thay wor made to go your way
One thing I do not understand about Kreg is that a lot of their items they make, they do not use glass fiber reenforced plastics. It would be a little more costly but everything they make would flex less and would feel less cheap.
Awesome review! I watched Mike’s video first and decided to splurge for the K5 before it was sold out for sure and I’m super happy. Hopefully they make some improvements on quality on the 720pro in the near future.
you made a good choice
Thank you Matt..I have made many projects with my K4..which I'll keep ! ..appreciate your tool reviews. !..
Thank you
The wings are useful when separated. I'm presently using them to pocket hole large cabinet panels and the wings help balance nearly the whole sheet. Yes they are fairly cheap but at the price point and usefulness ratio is very high for budding woodworkers.
Great review! I thought I'd found everything I didn't like about the 720, but just about lost it when you found out the dust collection got in the way of the storage lid. As for mounting it, Kreg actually made the 720 jig so you can slide it off of those "Lego" pieces and leave the storage wings mounted to the board. I agree though, I would have liked a way to permanently fasten all of it down too.
Looking to buy one of these thing will be watching and try to get best option for my needs, just a beginner
The lego pieces in mine were incredibly hard to attach, if the idea was to be able to easily remove the wings so they can be set at a different distance then they failed there for me
TYTYTY, looking at it in my computer is alot different than real life. Excellent rundown of a tool I was shopping. U've saved me some money
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- Thanx 4 sharing an honest review. Gonna run out & try to find the K-5.
Kreg needs to give you a holler so you can really make them a real pro version.
If they used a harder plastic all the way around, maybe a $5 or $6 difference in their costs- but would have been so much better.
Based on what you've shown, I think a pro version should have more aluminum, or denser plastic, metal hinge points, and/or the inside of the plastic cases molded to anticipate someone putting screws into a mounting board...
I figure after this video, I'll be on the bad list lol
Awesome review. Maybe Kreg will revise the concerns people have. Thanks for all you do for this community. I always look forward to your videos and reviews. Great job!
I appreciate you gifting me this. I know I was a little harsh on it in the review, but I do really appreciate the awesome gift!!
@@731Woodworks I don't think you were harsh at all. I have the same concerns. I thinks it's a great review. I certainly appreciate all you've done to help me. 👊
Thank you 👊🏻
@@731Woodworks just 1 fist bump lol
Thanks! I was considering one if these. You saved me some time.
Well done! I sincerely appreciate your review as I've thought I really "had to have this" but I think I'll stick with my K5. Great video and content as always. I like how you've mounted it to a board. Very hand. However, the only thing I would say is the way it's mounted with maybe a 1/4" of board showing in the back of the unit, will not allow you to use the unit in the other orientation for pocket holes in sheet goods. Great job as always!
Thanks
LOL I am so glad I didn't upgrade I mean downgrade to this model. Good luck man!
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It seems that they put a lot of time and energy making this tool versatile. I will admit, it can be pretty handy using the tool in more directions rather than just there vertical position. On the flip-side, it seems to have fallen short on the proper tolerances when it came to production. As you said, it's the nature of plastic. It will be even better if you ditch the wings all together and build wooden support wings, in my opinion. Solid review
thanks
I agree with building support wings. Btw, the thing you were missing about the support wings: they made them detachable so you could set them further away to support a long board. However, after seeing how flimsy they are, I wouldn't trust them to do that job well.
Hi! Love your channel. I was wondering if the fact that you held the jig in an inch in the from the front of your wooden base, will you still be able to use the clamp slot? I only have the 720, not the pro, but was curious in the event I buy the docking station. Thanks!
Just got one for Christmas. Thanks for the heads up on the issues!
Kreg is going for “El Cheap.” I’m still using my K4.
I think so too
@@731Woodworks I don’t mind paying a little more for a better quality tool.
And dang it...a couple weeks ago I saw a K4 on clearance at Lowe's, but i figured the 720 would be better and didn't buy it. D'oh!
I love my K4!
I will still be using my K4 as well.
This was a really good review! I was so excited when they announced this jig and now im torn on getting the discontinued K5 or waiting to see if they address the "cheapness" of the 720. I completely agree with the comments you made about it being "professional". Im assuming they made several versions as they came up with the final design and the fact that they still released this is embarrassing. Why not make an offset hose adapter or possibly make it 45 back out of the way of the storage boxes??? When you put the hose adapter on and it hit the lid it was an instant face palm along with the Homer Simpson "DOH".
lol
Great review. I bought one of those awhile back. It's great for me, but still a pain to use. I like the board you put it on. I'm curious, is there a reason you didn't put it flush to the end of the board so it could be used vertical?
Thanks
Love the vids, ty. What I have found that with the two type of screw heads, is that they sometimes don't fit all the way into the predrilled holes, and don't seat below surface of wood, and sometimes split the wood? Thanks.
When your sales go stagnant add more plastic. This looks to be their attempt to grab some of that Michaels or Hobby Lobby crowd. Nice review👍
thanks
I would love to see a reaction video from Kreg to this.
Me too
I’m so glad I got the K5. Just got it yesterday and wow!!!! Game changer!!! Thanks for another great and Informative video!!!!
K5 is far superior!
@@731Woodworks I love mine. I was using a little hand held knock off from eBay. It served it purpose and I’m thankful for it, but the K5 man, just wow!!!! I was done with all my pocket holes like bam!!!!
Great review. I love Kreg as well, although I have moved to the Armor jig. I'm finding some issues with that one as well.
Nothing perfect I guess
Armour jig is great for the price. You'd have to go much higher for a better system IMO.
Like the Castle Hole Cutter system starts at $400 with their portable table top 110 model and then goes much higher for their bigger machines but they're made for commercial production and produces cleaner and stronger pockets at a more usable 6 degree angle vs the standard pocket hole guide jigs that are at 15 degrees... You'd especially, notice the difference when driving the screws in as you can basically just hold the pieces with your hand to keep alignment vs locking it down with clamps with your standard pocket holes, and the shallower angle also means it can work with thinner materials and there's a bit less to worry about with screw length.
So glad I watched your review....I was just getting ready to buy one.
Glad I could help!
I had bought the K5 not long ago and then seen the 720 pro I was like man I should have waited but after seeing this I’m glad I went with the K5 when I did...I love it!!!
Your board mount could have been cut so the back edge lined up with the back of the jig. This would allow the jig to be used in the 'flipped' orientation for sheet goods. I don't know how it would be flipped with the storage wings vertical. Maybe fine since you have screwed them down.
I was thinking the same thing. Flush mount it to the back of the board and you can use it in both orientations. Maybe alter the width of the board so it is flush mounted to the front too, to use the clamp both ways. I like that the K7 folds up but if it is going to be flimsy, nevermind..mount it to a board.
I have the K5, mounted on a board. I think I prefer the K5 especially because I can use it with the HD accessory head and HD screws for quick strong 2x4 construction. The K5 works well except for the storage box latches, i added Velcro after everything fell out the second time.
Thanks for your review!
I’ve got the K4 and have been thinking of upgrading. If I do, I’ll now upgrade to the K5 rather than to the 720.
Love the board mounted idea so going to do that with some of the scrap pieces from building my crosscut table.
Disappointed in Kreg for this thing.
Expect much better quality for their prices.
Great review as usual!
I did too
Great review, Matt. Love the honesty. This may have already been said in the comments but I've read this one is now made in China whereas the K4 and K5's were actually made in the USA. Little disappointing. Thanks for the review!!
Thank you
I'm in the market to upgrade from my first pocket hole jig, which is a tiny little thing.
Glad I caught your review on this, as I was contemplating pro vs. 5.
I think I'm gonna get the 5.
That dust collecter messing with the storage would drive me INSANE...
Glad it was helpful!
I have used my Massca Pocket Hole Pro M2 jig for months now and it works great!!!! All aluminum with a vac port. Was less than the Kreg without the vac port.
Since I didn't have one of the K4/K5's prior to this one dropping, I went with the 720Pro (even though it might be less awesome), since they are discontinuing the K4/K5 from what I understand. So hopefully the newly created 720 Pro accessories will be a better investment going forward for me. As for mounting to a board, I think I'll mount mine flush with the back of the board, that way I can still lie it on it's back when adding pocket holes to longer pieces of wood.
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It takes courage and integrity to be critical. It takes a lot more, MUCH more, to be critical of your friends (or the brand you like). You got it, brother!
thank you
Thanks for the video. I remember you had to get a new clamp for the K 5 when it broke. It would e nice to see how the clamp on the 720Pro holds up after a year.
Seeing as this video was a year ago, Hopefully someone at Kreg found this video and fixed the issues. I just picked up the 720 today(3/12/2022). We'll see how it goes. Anyway thanks for the info and I love the channel.
I like being able to lay it on its back and use it. I would trim the back edge of your board to keep that option. But all pocket hole jigs need to be mounted. I've had my K4 on a board for 10+ years. Also curious about longevity but I had similar doubts about the K4 and it's still going strong. So, maybe it's just change that we don't like.
I've never used my K5 in another position. The K4 and K5 were much better made. The 720 won't last. The materials are just cheaper.
I've had my K4 for 16 years, the clamping mechanism is starting to get a bit stiff, but other than that, it still serves my purposes.
I noticed that with it mounted to the board, the slots for clamping it to your workbench are now useless without removing from the board. Maybe mount it to the board so it's flush, and then notch the board for the lay-down position. Excellent idea otherwise!
I just did my first pocket hole project, & used the Kreg 720 Pro. I don't know any different (until this video), so it did just fine. I did find that when unclamping, you couldn't just release it. You have to pull the handle up that last little bit for it to release. Again, I don't know any different, so it's all good. If I need to start using the wings for support, I'll likely mount it to a board as well. Thanx, Matt!
Thank you for the honest review. I've been looking for a K5 on sale not much luck yet though.
Keep an eye out
“People say it won’t hold up. I’ve had some of this stuff for four years.”
*Shaker dresser rolls eyes*
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I've been building with pocket holes since buying a K2 Master System in 1993. The first thing I built was two toy chests. They've survived all five of my kids, and seven grandchildren so far. I can't say as much for the toys though.
@@andyfunke9484 fair enough. I’ve had a few bad experiences with them. Particularly with hardwood and mdf.
Thanks for the review. Not going to waste my money! Great job Matt!
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I build cabinets for a living and have used the old kreg pocket hole jig similar to the k5 but older and I still have it after 16 years of use I have finally looked to upgrade.
I pocket hole and biscuit front frames to my cabinet boxes I also use the kreg jig to connect front frames together with added domino biscuits not that you need them but it does help eliminate movement.
Just wondering what one to get now, what pocket jig do you recommend ?
I really appreciate your candor as to the quality . I am considering this unit and if I buy one I will attach it to a board as you did to correct the flimsy issues.
I’m surprised at the issues you pointed out by Kleg. . Cost of production impacts a lot of what were quality oriented companies .
I enjoy your videos . Too many wahoos out making u tube shows .
You should reach out to them, work out with them to name their next model the 731
lol that'd be cool
And build it to pass down to your kids.
@@731Woodworks K731WW
Thank you for your review of the 720 pro.......I just started a return of mine that I got yesterday. Haven’t even opened it yet, will be getting the k5
K5 is much better
Still using my old Harbor Freight all-aluminum pocket hole jig mounted on a piece of plywood with my own designed dust collection port. Works great for me.
awesome
Great review I have the K 4 and I’m very pleased with it for my shop. If it’s first and goal I’m handing you the ball
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Very helpful! Thanks for the honesty.
Glad it was helpful!
Great video. I am curious, when you mounted it did you move the left side box back, so it would clear the vacuum port ?. lol. Keep them coming, I like giving a thumbs up.
thanks
Good honest review. I was looking to upgrade my Kreg jig but I'll pass on this one. Unfortunately no one sells the K5 anymore. I think I'm using the original pro, I guess I'll keep using it.
Thank you for the subtitles.
Great review, I agree that sometimes companies try to over engineer a product for usability but forget about quality. I will stick with my K4, does all I need.
K4 is a good one
Thank you for an honest review. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for watching!
Matt, I actually laughed out loud when you tried to open the storage compartment and the lid hit the dust collection port. Hilarious! I doubt I'll ever get a jig like that. I just have their most basic model, a tiny little deal that has to be clamped to the workpiece, and only has one hole for the bit. I don't do a ton with pocket holes (so far), so I haven't yet needed anything fancier.
TY for your honest opinion, well done!
thank you
I personally love my porter cable pocket hole jig. It's mainly all metal ; self adjusting and I love it. I also have the Kreg but Porter Cable is the bomb.
I recently purchased a massca pocket jig. Been very happy with it..
Got one of those coming
Awesome review glad I stuck with my K5....love that thing...oh and I couldn’t keep up with the pocket hole push up challenge...hahaha!
lol
Just picked up the basic 720, I’ll make the wings myself with a T-track for the stop and Mount to a board. The unit is made in China, says so right over the barcode on the outer box. This is likely why it has a more sleek look over the older models, because the tooling for the more complicated injection moulding is much cheaper in China, as is the assembly of a more complex auto-adjusting tool. I wouldn’t say it’s construction is “cheap” but it is a lot of plastic. It’s not “pro”, but the auto adjust feature saves a ton of time and I’m happy with the purchase as a pro.
Thanks for the review was waiting on your take to make my decision, k5 will be delivered Tuesday!
How much did you pay for the K5? it's out of stock on Amazon.
It's in stock now. I gave $129 for mine but I bought it 3.5 years ago
I have been waiting for you to review this! I've seen other reviews and not sure I want to buy it yet!
K5 is a better jig and at a better price
My sister got my dad when he passed and I've been using it. So I was going to buy my own. After a few reviews I figured you would feel the same. So K5 it is! Lmbo Thanks
Didn't know a thing about the jig so your video helped a lot. The drill bit doesn't go thru the jig so I'm assuming the first hole will open it up
The best thing about the 720 is I picked up a brand new k5 for 100 bucks. Thanks for honest and thorough review Matt. 👊🏻
Good choice!
Hi. What Kreg Jig product would you suggest I buy for my project? I will be 45 mitering all of my new 1x5 window and door trim. I want to pre fab all of them using pocket jig screws and glue. The only videos I have seen doing 45's is with people standing the piece of wood upright at an angle and clamping the 45 end down flat on the miter. That's not going to be easy to do with a 7 foot piece of trim. Do you know if you can do it on the flat using the 320? I would love to get your recommendation on the best way to go about doing this. Thanks and great review.
Thanks for the info. I have the K320 and love it. I want to upgrade to the K5 or K720. Probably go with the K5 then! Thanks!!
K5 is the way to go
I appreciate the unbiased review… gotta subscriber now
I love your channel more then other woodwork channels because
YOUR ACCENT
Just bought the 720 pro….without the wings….my first pocket hole jig.
Great review 😎👍
Good review and I like the message on your shirt. *SUBSCRIBED!*
Thank you 👊🏻
Thank you bro! Been waiting on this and, YOU JUST SAVED ME SOME $$$ :)
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You actually pushed me over the edge on purchasing a Kreg K5. I'm glad I did because if I had waited, I would have assumed that the "latest greatest" would have been the "latest greatest." There's a chance that I would have blindly purchased the 720Pro. After watching this video, it looks like Kreg, who I greatly respect, dropped the ball on this one. I'm sure that there's a logical reason why Kreg sacrificed their wonderful image with this tool, but That isn't acceptable. I'm proud of my K5 and expect it to give me many years of accurate pocket holes.
The K5 is awesome
Great video! I live in the UK and the 4 x 2's over here are actually 3¾ x 1¾ and unfortunately I didn't do enough research so I can't use the Kreg 720Pro for my 4 x 2's. My only option as far as I know is the Kreg HD jig. Can you think of anyway I can get around this without investing in another jig? Cheers!
Great review Matt!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I guess that I need to find a K5 to get before they're all gone.
You should!
As a K5 user who uses the HD jig quite a bit (Deck and post stuff) can you change out the internals to use the HD bit and screws? What about the insert and bits for the plugs? I like to use plugs of different material and colors to contrast the wood or grain, so I make my own plugs (Plus I have no woodworking store near me)
Great review as always. I bought this a couple of weeks ago and just like you, was not impressed with how cheap it felt. Definitely NOT professional grade. I used it a few times to build a storage cart for my wood and it worked okay. I'm going to try and look for a K5 or that Massca one you reviewed.
On another note, Kreg customer service is outstanding. I called to return this one and they said no problem, we'll credit your account and we don't want you to ship it back so can you donate it to a Habitat for Humanity near you or some organization like that? There's a HforH within 15 minutes of me so that's what I'll do.
I totally agree with your assessment of the 720 Pro. The idea is good, but poorly implemented. I like the K4 the best with the K5 second. I don't like the clamp on the K5 as well. They took away some of the flexibility with the 720 such as being able to pull the drill guide out of the unit and use it separately. I think I have most of the models up to these two new ones which I will not be buying. Thanks for sharing your opinion.
Love the honesty!!! Keep it up fist bump! 👊
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I have both. The dust fixtures on the K5 is garbage. On both, I replaced the boxes as spacers with solid wood wings. That works way better. Tools and bits and screws get stored in dedicated tool boxed. They are cheap. One set in each shop. (2200 miles apart) I prefer the auto depth and the dust collection features of the pro, the ability to use smaller diameter screws of the K5. Great show, thank you.