Pole Sonni Deep Dive: Is This the Ultimate EMTB?
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- čas přidán 14. 04. 2024
- edit 18th April - sadly, Pole Bicycles has filed for Bankruptcy: • Pole Bicycles announce...
CNC machined, 200mm travel, bonkers look - is this the ultimate do-it-all EMTB?
Pole Factory Racing are a UCI World Cup Team: www.uci.org/team-details/19248 - Sport
edit 18th April - sadly, Pole Bicycles has filed for Bankruptcy: czcams.com/video/COqr3TXtW40/video.html
Unfortunately. Lets hope for the best that some bigger investors are going to hype Pole up again. 🙌
they will come back for sure
Thank you for coming and visiting our workshop Rob. It was a pleasure to have you over for the day to check out what we have to offer Pole customers in the UK and let you test out Sonni.
@philseton5796 you know anyone watching who’s into superbikes is going to be wanting you to tune there Bosch ebikes now ✊👌😂 knowing your involved makes me want a Pole 100%
Excellent to see your new endeavour Phil. As one of our main competitors from the BSB Supersport back in the day you were one of the nicest blokes in the paddock. Wish you every success with this 👍
@@fzr400rr100 Thank you for the supportive kind words Paul. I hope you’re well and still enjoying the racing.
@@motoboggle7525 I really hope that we can offer lots of positives and offer the support to customers they deserve. We can certainly help with tuning the bikes… just not the motors.
Love the work you’ve done. Where can I buy the pistons for the brakes?
To add to this, I've built up a Sonni now and am 2 rides in, and am really exited to ride it again as soon as possible. It's an amazing riding experience, there's nothing like blasting around on a bike with sorted geo with 200mm travel, that can be ridden to the shops, commute to the office or ridden down a world cup downhill track on. It rides different to the Voima, its 'Race Supple' - and I mean with a coil, 200mm travel, it feels sharp and stiff, but supple enough to absorb the trail chatter, and absorb the biggest G outs and impacts.
Looks wise, its stunning in person in many ways, whether you like the design or not, and I totally get that not everyone will like the looks. There's no getting away from its different - in every way, the raw aluminium with the CNC tool lines on it, its mirror finish, or the motor housing - all of which polarise people. And that I love, it is a huge talking point. I've learned that I need an extra 30 minutes on rides to talk to people about it as so many people stop to check it out!
Anyway, enough rambling - sometimes is good to be different, bold, an outlier, and I congratulate Pole for trying new things, in an increasingly tough market that full of good (great) bikes, many of which look the same, built in the same factories with the same parts (not a bad thing by any means), but for Pole to go all out and design something fully made in the EU, which is so unapologetically stark and different, with 200mm travel - well done.... 👏
Looks like an amazing bike I’d love to ride one 😅
Yes in reality many bikes are the same. If I purchased one it would need to be properly different and have a totally proven manual change Rohloff, belt drive with tucked in front tensioner. Many of us are over derailleurs, vulnerablility and constant fiddling is annoying. The new Motor / gearboxes are clunky and unproven and seriously they are pointless if you have experienced a long time using a Rohloff on a Emtb. E=Mtb²
Need a comparison to Crestline with similar spec! What's the weight difference?
I agree, more of this bold innovation can only be a good thing.
Would like a comparison with the Voima and the Crestline RS
the motor looks like a real afterthought on this one.. With this motormount concept they should be able to incorporate all motors with different mounting kits.
I was at Seton Racing today, Phil sorted out my Pole Voima where my mechanical talent ran out. Really knowledgeable and helpful guy, top bloke 👍
Our pleasure Paul. You’re always welcome sir.
This was an excellent video. The amazing Pole bicycles aside and the knowledgeable guys there I loved this format.
I own a 190/190 Vikkela, I love it. This was so interesting and so refreshing to see. Great job Rob on the interview. Wish we in the US had something like that, What a resource for the UK that man is! Everywhere I go ride or race people have no idea what Polè is so I do my best to explain.
Great video Rob I'm really looking forward to seeing how this goes, awesome bit of kit 😎💪
I was with Phil a few days before you Rob, working through my Sonni spec. which i ordered there and then as a result of Phil's infectious enthusiasm, knowledge and patience. Sadly i wont be recieving my order now and the money is gone. Phil couldn't have been more helpful and for that I'm very grateful ... He too has lost so much as a result of todays news. 😢
Excellent news for the UK . Cheers for doing this video.
Great video again Rob, I watched it from start to finish, it's great to see so much enthusiasm for one brand, Phil is definitely the guy to run things for Pole in UK and the Dh team.... I'd love one of Pole bikes, not sure which one I'd go for 😉 👍
Wow, this is fascinating and on another level!
I really love these bikes. They are work of art.
Really interested in getting my hands on some of those brake pistons, loving knowledge 🙌
The Voima is a badass machine - love mine.
Eh Rob, I love you work/ channel...long time subscriber. Anyways, could you please, please ride and review the new 2024 Norco Range VLT (High-pivot)? 👌👍🤘👊🤘😜.
I'm over in Perth WA and I ordered one 2 months ago, but they won't get to Australia until August. I need to know if they're worth the wait, cause I could get the new 2024 Gas Gas ECC much sooner. Not sure what to do, but your thorough reviews really help with my decision process. Thanks and keep up the excellent quality of content.
Cancel your order and get a Sonni. I have one. It rocks.
It looks crazy and even more interesting than the Voima, which allways realy amazed me.
I wonder though what would happen to the motor, if you hit a rock/root with it? It feels like, it could get stuck on any obstacle easily x) But stillt, crazy cool design!
They look so good !!
Bloody great video Rob and the Pole guys , it ain’t as pretty as some but who cares I bet it’s an absolute weapon.on the tracks .
great to hear that we now have somewhere in the UK to go and test ride the Pole ebikes, and Phil seems like a very sound bloke. I'm not keen on the 'early Bafang conversion' looks of the Sonni, and surely by having the downtube so high, they've missed an opportunity to get the battery weight as low as possible?
Shipping to Santa Cruz would have taken a while, that's why I went with an ibis oso. No doubt a beauty, I wanted the gold one.
Gave me Jonny Smith vibes. Would love a series in a similar format visiting other manufacturers.
If Leo from Pole really wants to have a high end exceptional bike they could easily sell it with a totally proven Rohloff hub, manual change, with belt drive and tucked in front tensioner. I and many other people are over the vulnerability and constant fiddling with derailleurs and if we are going to outlay big money for a special Emtb it cannot have a derailleur or a clunky, unrefined, unproven motor/ gearbox . The Nicolai Eboxx GT1 MR14 seems to me to be the best specifications for a special purchase. Everything else is basically using all the same components with minor differences. E=Mtb²
Lookz great
Needz to be fast and agile for everyday commute.
Have you seen the pot holes.
I want a Pinion MGU and gates belt drive on the Sonny and Voima🔥🔥 shouldn’t be to hard?
yes ! belt drive would have lower unsprung weight too , i cant believe they dont have the DH bike with one already. Ill not upgrade my ebike till its Belt drive gearbox and wireless gear change
aaaah yes, be prepared to pay 12k for that bike 😅
would love to see more Real bike shops like this where they have a real engineering approach and mechanics don't just replace parts, which basically everyone can do at home these days after buying the proper tools. they should be the norm , the mechanics that can actually solve problems, make parts when needed. loved it. regarding Pole, I did not like the earlier bikes, but the currant ones are really fantastic piece of engineering, too bad that I see their Customer service is pretty bad and even saw Leo very indifferent reacting to some complaints from people on Facebook on one of you Pole videos posted...I would not buy a bike from a company /CEO with such arrogant self sufficient attitude
POLE ist the shyt, mate!!! Great Stuff.... The BMZ RS motor would be such a better motor! 112 NM, 800w. Motor and the battery mad by BMZ in Germany!!
Gee Rob, hope nobody made the mistake of buying anything from that company based on you promoting/recommending/endorsing the brand! Many of these small players are expected to go belly up in the very near future. Steer clear and avoid the crash!
Oh course people would have purchased bikes from Pole based off of Rob's video's. That's the whole point of be brand. But it's not like Rob saw this coming. The simple fact he put up this video the day before it all went down would suggest he had no idea.
Hi Love your informative videos. I learn a lot from you. I have 4 ebikes. The Sonni is definitely on my collection list. I live in the US and was wondering how the bike is packaged for safe delivery before I shell out 10k. Don't know if you have any info on that.... Might make a good short video. Thanks.
If it is packed anythingvlike the Voima is (I own one), then it is bomproof. Check out Ron’s earlier build. Film on the Voima, I think that shows how Pole ship t.heir bikes.
@@BOLLOX64 Thank you for your reply. I want the gold. Beautiful piece of art.
Great bikes! What Pole should do, now, is decreasing two/three kilos from each model.
Interesting concept, whether the boutique brand will morph in to main stream? Time will tell.
Pole should have gone for the Brose/SRAM motor, would suit their brand better.
I don't agree with that motor choice, the Bosch is a better choice for all out punch and performance - and suits the bike more.
Bosch is the better motor in the market mate....ride one and you will see
@@fe9523
I have successively owned Brose- Bosch (latest gen)- Brose (latest gen), the Brose motor packs more grunt - livelier and responsive, quieter and all the more evident on a steep climb.
@@RobRidesEMTBBe that as it may Rob. I can see your perspective, however, I have owned the latest gen Bosch and have gone back to Brose.
Riding one right after the other - my clear preference is Brose - on riding characteristics alone.
Would Pole bikes be available in the US??
DH bike with motor hanging underneath. I’m ok thanks
I’d like to ride a Pole. I’ve only seen one in the wild
This is the sort of bike I'd be very keen on but the additional charges for importing to the UK are mental. Came here hoping this was a way around that.
Where is it???
Look at the state of that thing 🤣
I was the 100th like for this video, satisfyingly sad on my part. 😂
You say pole i say pole 😮
Price & weight would be extremely interesting….👍
From £7000 - 24.5 KG or around 25KG with the red Boxxer forks and coil 👊
What happens to these guys now Pole gone pop? Such a shame.
How much money did you get for your videos?
Rs..,..,.............????????❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
He mentions that the bias should be towards E-bike racing yet the team pulls out for 2024????
They filed for bankruptcy. These bikes will probably never be made.
Motor position looks DYI.
POLE are now in solvency !!!!!! SO This video is now so weird.. these bikes may never be made now.. there seems to be angry customers who’s paid near 10k euros and no bike.
Is it just me or is the CG just way too high on this bike.
this video hasn't aged well... what about these guys now after the announcement? And ppl that just bought the bikes.... Don't like how it just happens. Surely they can see it coming well in advance
POLE is one emtb that i just do not like the look of they look more like they are going backwards to the gen 1 emtb with that huge motor mount like its been an after thought and bolted or hot glued in place! So much so i can't watch the whole video Rob mate soz bro
Can't say it's a good looking bike, definitely an acquired taste and it looks like all the weight is mounted high up with that motor and battery location 🤷🏻, handling must be 'interesting'. Each to their own...
Still think they are ugly…
This didnt age well.
I personally find the Pole bikes to be ugly. I've no doubt they're good bikes though. Just my opinion on the aesthetics.
Very Ugly 😅
Very Ugly 😅
Its like women the uglieet have less mileage feel bettsr😂😂😂
fringe bike for a fringe market.
Not really...they will sell plenty of them
@@fzr1000981 They won't now. Any one who has one has a very rare bike though.
horrible looking bike.... sis
Pole bikes are just about the ugliest bikes out there. It’s no wonder they’re filling for bankruptcy. Cmon guys at Pole…you can probably make nicer designs. 😂😂😂
Slight change of plan now me thinks
Im sorry Rob i do not like the look of these bikes at all. Not for me sorry
no its not there yet but only because it is lacking a belt for lower unsprung weight , id like to see belt drive , gearbox and wirless shifting added to this so not Ultimate yet . @philseton5796 at least belt drive by 2025
Does it need to look this ugly?
I like the technical uniqueness of Pole but those motors dangling below the frame are a HUGE turn-off.
How much money did you get for your videos?
nothing. I've not done any paid partnership videos with pole since 2022, where we did one with the Voima, which is disclosed as a paid partnership in that very video here: czcams.com/video/yFl4XTxkywI/video.html