This Bike Could Be The Future of eMountain Biking...
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- čas přidán 5. 08. 2022
- This fully CNC'd ebike, the Pole Voima, has an incredible 190mm of suspension travel both front and rear, and has some real forward thinking geometry...
Pole have been running future-geometry on their bikes for years and what they were going 4 years ago is now adopted by big brand manufacturers. Could this Voima be ahead of the game again?
The frame has an Electrophoretic Clearcoat, this one in a Storm Grey colour. The coat is mostly used in industries whose applications have to resist mechanical strain and environmental impacts like salt. It’s also commonly used in the jewellery industry. The coating system has a hard surface and completely clear looks the same as the RAW finish.
The Pole Voima is priced from 6,443.55€ Exc Vat.
Bosch Smart Gen 4 motor
750Wh removable battery
29" wheels front and rear
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This bike is really a steal for folks in the USA. My frame came via USPS from Posti (Finland). Did not get hit with any import duty (harmonized tariff schedule may exclude ebikes at 250W). If your are in the USA there is a HUGE discount to be had. First, Pole will discount the VAT from the Euro price (25%!!!!). Next, the Dollar is super strong right now and is at parity with the Euro, so ask Pole to send you an invoice in Euros with VAT exclusion applied. Use a credit card (e.g. Apple Card) which does not charge currency fees above normal exchange rates. To sum up: you are buying a super boutique bike at a 25% discount and no taxes!
How about warranty in USA ?
That’s a result. 👍
So what did you pay?
@@ChupacabraOffroad $5120 and that was back in May. USD is so strong, that If I were to pay now I would have paid less than $5K.
@@closertech Wow thank you for responding and that's amazing!!
We have been riding ours all over the UK and in Europe. It's unlike any other ebike we have ridden or raced. It thrives on fast steep flowing trails. It's so supple in the top of the stroke and soaks up small bumps so well it's an absolute pleasure to ride. Can't wait to hear your thoughts on the trails Rob!
I’m interested in it, how does it on mellower trails?
Is it still fun for daily use or does it only shine on steep stuff?
I’m very disappointed that they changed to the Bosch motor..
I have a specialized Levo Gen 2 and a Gen 3 besides a Cube with the Bosch motor and the Brose of the specialized iso much better and natural!
@@rolux4853 We have managed to set our up to be nimble and quick turning as well as planted and confidence inspiring. It's as close to the 1 bike to do everything as you will get with an EMTB..
It would be great to see on such a DH focused emtb how the new abs brakes would perform compared to the brakes that come on it (if you can get a set). I really love the look of the bike I'm a big fan of Pole bikes, price is high but the work that goes into the frame is staggering. Thanks for the continued effort on your content.
I am super excited to get you’re thoughts on this bike! I’ve been eyeing it for some time now and am currently riding a highly modified trek rail with a very similar build to yours. Don’t keep us waiting too long, let’s us know how she rides….rear suspension kinematics and feel and if you’d consider swapping out you’re trek for it! Thanks rob!
Awesome machine you show here, Rob. Absolut stunning...Great, can't wait to see the ride vid...Whell there is a chainstay, you call it "Elevated-Chain-Stay", great idea in fully bikes, makes the chain does not move, while the bike suspension operates in full-force-mode...Great to see that invention back in 2022...LOL
Got to save me some money to get the ride...Thank's Rob.
I have never been as exited about an upcomming bike review from you then with this bike.
Really hope for a full review video since this company did basicly everything that we, as gravity oriented riders were asking for since years.
Also the fact that they switched during the development from the Brose Motor to the Bosch system did just show how much they actually care.
seeing how many Brose Motors dying on Specialized bikes to this day is giving me the chills^^
Totally agree! Based on Rob’s review I just may have to order one!
Bought a used Turbo Levo with 1500km on the motor I think. Rode 6 times and felt like the belt came off. Less than 100km. I think it was the 2018-19 motors and the belt problem has been fixed. But also had a problem with the wire harness because the wires are too short the bike would shutdown when it shook.
@@rawmancemtb
I have two Specialized Levo turbos, an '18 comp carbon and a '21 comp. Zero motor issues.
How many thousands+++ Specialized ebikes are out compared to the others? 9 to 1?
@@my-max-media7621 It's a known issue. The -18 and -19 brose motors had serious defects. And besides the belt issue the wire harness is also a common issue that causes the bike to turn off. Those -18 and -19 Levos are just a disaster of a bike because of these issues.
It's pretty naive of you to suggest that because you haven't run into the problem it doesn't exist. You are trying to convince yourself a problem doesn't exist so you can feel good...
And no there aren't 9 to 1 Specialized ebikes to other ebikes. You keep making absolutely foolish statements.
@@rawmancemtb I never said there were no issues with the Levos.
I hope you feel better now.
I'm going to come back to this comment in 4 years and see if some of the other bike companies have caught up with the geometry on this ebike!
Why did they move the battery cover to the outer side of the frame? After all, they argued that protection from water is better provided on the inner side.
Great description bud
+1 i ordered mine after seeing your interview with Leo Kokkonen, makes a difference when the company is owned and bikes designed by a MTB racer. The passon is awesome.
@@SuperSlant that was the initial design with the brose motor. But they have since updated the bike to run with the Bosch motor, and I'm guessing they've had to change the way it is mounted due to the different battery.
Thanks to you @RobRidesEMTB I just ordered my first e-mtb Pole Voima 😊
Great video
So glad you brought up the chainstay length VS overall wheel base.
This is something I have learned with my latest bike, a dengfu e22. It has quite long effective chainstay length. And it works. It naturally gets your weight distribution to properly load the front wheel. It's very stable at speed. Only down side is it makes a bit more difficult in tight switchbacks etc.
Dengfu is an ungodly 484mm on all frame sizes. Not made for switchbacks 😂
Rob, can't wait for the long term review. Thank you for all you do.
I am so glad I received mine in the mail two weeks ago. I don’t think I could have handled it after seeing this video. Fantastic video as usual Rob!
I hear you, I have just watched it and my voima is two weeks away I can't wait I'm fizzing.
absolutely love the look of this weapon. I love my scott e ransom 910 which ive had about 18 months now but I have been eying Poles up ever since you first featured one and I can see a swap coming :) Look forward to the ride review
Wow, that fully CNC look is awesome!
This looks like an amazing bike. Beautiful frame. Glad they kept the full power on such a capable bike. I’ve ridden a full fat Turbo Levo for a year now and the power is what makes it shine. Once you’ve tasted the thrill of rocketing up a gnarly tech climb, anything less is ... well less 😹
Cannot wait to see your ride review of this bike. What a beautiful piece of exotica. Based on looks alone I'm ready to sell my year 6 month old Levo already. Your logic seems sound with all the points you raised, and I really look forward too seeing if the ride lives up to the theory behind the design
Man!! I'm in love with this bike 😍 just wish to own it soonest!!!! This frame has it all!!! German stress test, cnc frame, long travel suspension front n rear great geometry... all of it man!!!! Oh I just can't wait 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Nice bike! The only emtb with 190mm of travel front and rear so far, was the Fantic XEF 1.9 with 720 battery and Brose motor, good to see newer bikes with that travel!
Husqwarna has 200mm ebikes.
Just purchased mine. Can't wait. Should be something really special in the USA. Never saw one yet. Bought it sight unseen from Pole. Thanks for the informative vids.
Great video love the look aof the bike and your workshop mate keep up the great video cheers 🤟👍
That really is stunning 😍 the patterning from the cnc looks amazing 👌
I own a Santa Cruz Bullit and a Scott Ransom 910 Eride, both long travel Downhill focused Ebikes. I am thinking of changing one of those for the VOIMA. Can't wait to see your honest review on this beautiful bike.
@ Bosch motor has better range doing the same ride. Shimano EP8 motor can keep up, but you need to pedal at a higher cadence to get the best range posible, but BOSCH is still the king of efficiency.
This bike is so rad! I love Rob's channel but only ride an analogue enduro bike. The video quality and editing are the best in the youtube MTB game. No debate whatsoever. Rob's style of content is so engaging but also pretty relaxing. Keep up the great work Rob and I look forward to seeing what the future holds for you!
thank you! Glad you enjoy the videos :-) Rob
@@RobRidesEMTB no problem man! Please keep up the awesome videos
Your such a tease Rob can't wait for ur ride review 👍
Absolutely love the company POLE and the lead engineer/owner is a very good rider himself. Makes all the difference, I will own one of these beauties someday, and Rob, thank you for actually doing a series on this awesome machine!!!
Amazing bike, great video 👍🏻
Great Vid Rob, thank you. Fantic has also 190mm
Nice video! I got my Voima a month ago, and I love it!
it looks really well built.
Almost every e bike tested on youtube, no matter who is testing it, is the best bike ever made.
My Canyon showed up here at 10 AM, I was riding it by 10:45.
Looks amazing! I Agree on the pedal department regarding weight and motor, I see no point in sacrificing extra travel for less weight.
Stunning!🤩👌🏻
Looks like a well engineered bike frame and suspension....It's will interesting to get your riding impressions...
Great first look mate, super interesting bike!
Bet u would to get ur hands on it sam
We loved building our Voima. I found myself and everyone else in the workshop looking at it
Looks like my Cannondale Jekyll 600. Very beautiful!!
When you run your fingers over the frame it reminds me of bones. So smooth into every corner.
The geometry looks outrageous when it's on the stand. Yet when you sit on it all those angles change. In fact the longer the travel the more extreme those angles go. That rear shock looks like it has a falling rate geometry but then the linkage has a virtual pivot point that moves back and reduces the mechanical advantage.
That one's crazy! Very interested in how this rides with the rear linkage design.
25.5kg isn't too bad considering the tires with inserts and sealant weigh already at least 3.3kg (depending on the kind of inserts) without wheels. A Levo for example ships with tires that weigh only around 2.1kg tubes included.
I'd like to see a coil on it though 😁
Ordered mine yesterday!😍
Mine's almost here!
Must be about 4 years since you uploaded your review on the Specialised levo. It’s totally amazing how far e bikes have evolved. 👍
Awesome thanks Rob ....... problem is, now I want one even more. 29er with 190mm will be insanely unstoppable. I've had a 180mm 29er Mondraker Level RR. Mondraker have similar ideas on geometry to Pole. Best bike I've ridden that was. Can't wait to see what you think and whether 190mm 29er is as good in real life as it is on paper ! (Very odd 190mm is on Air at the rear though !?)
Jupp
now is the time, have ordered a Pole Voima 🙂
Will certainly still make a few changes, but the production slot for September I have already reserved
Production Slot for September means late Oct or Nov delivery. I ordered in June for August Production slot. Probably get mine Oct-Dec
Would love a riding review I’m tempted to pull the trigger with this one! 😍
Getting back in shape on my new build Primer has me looking more and more at a good modern E-Bike, but the cost for what i would like to see in one is just so prohibitive still for me. This thing looks amazing though!
This has got to be THE most beautiful E-Bike I've ever seen . But will it ride as good as it looks.......only Rob will tell......So c'mon on then mate, dish us the dirt.😉
Nice looking bike for sure... Geo movement in tech for sure
Have you ridden the Voima yet? Still waiting for a review?
Haibike DWNHLL is around some time with 200mm front and rear.
Great bike, looking at it myself but what do the the customs, import and VAT charges equate to?
Hey Rob! It’s been 2 months and we are all anxious to hear you’re ride review if the voima!! Let ya know whatcha think!
Seems like the world's most perfect emtb!
As an architect I'm seeing some clever aesthetic design choices that Leo from Pole made in his design of the CNC frame & swing arm. Typically machined billet aluminium has a "solid" appearance that often looks heaver than it actually is. The Pole design uses rounded shapes atypical of most CNC machining that rather than looking solid have a sort of 'inflated' look that suggests lightness. They are in fact very much hollow and lightweight, just as we perceive them to be. I'm also very impressed by the precision Pole achieves in their CNC machining. They work to a plus or minus 0.01 mm tolerance. Most probably don't understand just how amazing that is. Few consumer products are manufactured to such close tolerances. Eye glass lenses don't even have that precision! 0.01 mm is actually equivalent to the precision to which high-end camera lenses are ground. What that means is when Pole bonds two machined "halves" together with industrial adhesive, the two pieces seat together with high precision allowing an extremely high quality & consistent joint, with those joints almost imperceptible to the eye. I also appreciate they've made the CNC-related tool marks a unique feature. They tell a story, and it's one of mastery of the craft of machining. Much like how the 19th Century Arts & Crafts Movement influenced design both in the UK and Scandinavia by celebrating the skill of artisans, Pole's design & manufacturing celebrates not only the functionality but the "making" itself.
Hi Rob, Love your work. Just wondered while you were assembling, Did you have to disassemble and repackage it afterwards?
First and looks interesting so far - machine work of art
It really does, reminds me of the extra details you might see on an exotic motorcycle.. Beautiful machining.
Great video Rob 👌
What’s the price or did I miss that bit 😂👍
I checked the website for a laugh, while it isn't cheap I was quite surprised by the price that it is something I can actually afford! Wow.
Hi there, I hope the ride review of this beauty will be released soon
How I wish it would be available here in the US. This eBike deserves a Part 2 just on the Geometry and Parts details alone then 2 Parts on the Trails in Action…. very nice!!!
There’s a bunch delivered to the US. Mine will arrive in California later this month
@@mtbmike9866 thank you Sir, will start looking into this
Look amazing. 👍
WE NEED A RIDE REPORT ASAP!
EXCEPT for weight, THIS is THE eeb to own no doubt bout it.
Any chance you can share the sus setup passages, or direct us to where we could get hold of them. Sounds like a cool bike and so nice to get a tech understanding that is generally lacking elsewhere. I imagine there is read across to other bikes.
I'm sure I could get more from my sus, but honestly don't really know what I'm doing.
Because of your review I bought this bike I love how you point out the little things cheers 👍🏻
Very good looking emtb....!
Thats just a beautiful peace of engineering.
HaiBike has a 200mm downhill emtb but im not sure if that one is still in production
200mm with a 65deg HT 😂
Finnish quality. Very nice bike and video. I hope that will be my next bike 😊
Hey Rob, being a taller rider i'm interested to hear how you find the cockpit space on this bike. Similar to the Kenevo, I found the slack HT and steep ST angles conspired to make the cockpit feel like my knees were so close to the bars they were going to do all the steering. The Voima's even more radical with it's geo and it looks like the seat's way too close to the bars if you're tall.
Hey mate - well, it all depends a lot on setup and bike size. I've tailored the setup (saddle angle and slammed forward) for steep technical climbs and have no issue with knees to bars when pedaling. When riding tracks, I'm standing with feet on pedals, so its not something I will notice. The only time I think i have noticed what you are mentioning is flat terrain when pedaling, but nothing that is any issue really. I could actually move to the K4 quite easily too and if you're tall this is something to consider.
Everything is a compromise in geometry and its about picking the best for the job at hand. Steep ST angles are a must for me on ebikes, they just make tech climbs so much better. Anything less than 78 degrees feels compromised, especially as you get on bigger frames with longer droppers, your effective ST angle reduces (you're further rearwards compared to a smaller drop). The 80 degree on this just works well.
Its slack, but not super slack, I measured the HTA and its around 63.5 in my build (the Kenevo out the box is actually slacker, although specialized quote 64.5!)
I am 6 2” and the large with a 35mm stem is perfect
@@RobRidesEMTB Cheers Bud. The K4's got a 654mm ETT and I feel far more comfortable with something over 670mm, which suits my 1.98m height. Stack heights approaching 680mm are also much better, ergonomically, when you're at the upper end of yjr manufacturers height limits.
Santa Cruz give the roomiest fit at present and their SA's close to 77 degrees and i'm ok running the saddle in the middle of the rails. My riding style puts seated comfort above performance, but we're all individual's, so everyone's got their own preference for the perfect geometry doe their preferred riding style and local terrain.
I am on the hunt for my first bike and as a Swede it would be cool to support my neighbour but i am abit worried if the big 190 drop would be a negative experience were i live because there is not tons of DH here, mostly trails. What's your thoughts?
an odd thing to notice, but the zeb fork stickers are on the wrong sides :Sk
When will we all see the full review and ride impressions of the Pole Voima?
Great intro to an intriguing and polarizing bike. TIL (Today I Learned) the brand is pronounced “Poh-lay”.
Thanks for review. Wonder how their warranty works in USA
I am looking for a emtb that's under 4k in Ireland and that I can get the cycle to work scheme on. Any thoughts?
7075 for the frame? CNC machined? Now that is impressive. As 7075 cannot be welded. My MTB is 7005 and that is arguably the best aluminum out there. 7005 is expensive and only found on top tear bikes and I’ve never in my life seen a frame with 7075. Almost looks hydro formed or molded but this is a nice bike!
Piękna maszyna 👍🤌
Ah lim u numb badass review dude
I need one ☝️ 🤘
I just received mine two weeks ago. It’s incredible. Yes you do need one!
Just wanna stare at it 💙
How does the rear end move with two pivot points?
Do you think they will do one with the pinion motor gearbox drive, belt driven ? It would be the best setup out there there!
I’ll Wait for the solid state bike.
Very sexy bike, love that light purple too!
Hi rob what’s your thoughts on the orbea urrun what a Ebike. But not something big . Can’t find anything on English of them
What do you think of the wheels? Been looking at a set myself
They bend easy according to Liam Wolf reviews. Get IBIS Blackbird SEND wheels
Seen plenty of dinged rims. If you really want those wheels , buy some cushcore to go with it.
(Or go with a DT Swiss wheelset and be done with it.)
Looks on the video and in pictures to have a purple tint to it.
Its has an electrophoretic clear coat on it, the colour is called Storm Grey (they also do a few other colours!!) and depending on the angle it has a blue / purple tint! Looks real nice.
I want one 👍👍👍👍
Send it!
most beautiful cnc aluminum bike at the moment. Yep the only bike that could replace my super slack turbo levo for the past 3 years. That bike is just tits, only concern I have is warranty/service issues, as sending it back to finland is not the most ideal situation. If they establish a US dealer program with a few key places on west, central, and east coast that wouldn't be a concern for me.
I warrantied a Pole Stamina and it was a very smooth process.
Wow….I mean the price of $6,600 for this “work of engineering Art”! ;-)
How many bikes to you have in your fleet?? Are you buying the bikes or just renting/demoing them?
You're videos get me really really excited about this bike... i already want one.. why are they so cheap??
Made by machines and Finnish CNC operators in Finland instead of Factories in Asia. 👍
Which park tool bike repair stand are you using?
PRS-25 💪
I've got a 160mm travel bike. Some guy I met went on about it, and I told him that my basic Yamaha teenage trailbike has 240 mm travel. 190 doesn't seem much. Maybe it's time Yamaha made an off road bicycle again??
Looks sic! What’s the damage £££?
I am 6’3” with an inseam of 86cm. I ordered the K3, but can’t decide on the dropper post length. Rob, what size did you go with? I’m thinking 170mm.
Hey there! I ordered mine about 2 weeks ago. They will send you an excel chart to calculate which dropper posts work for you! 🙂
mondraker makes some 190 mm travel ebikes as well.
Their GEO is a bit outdated though.
And I would say "do you want to ride my pole"!
Yeah, it’s too beautiful for me to ride. I’d cry when the first Rock hits it.
I've got the Stamina 180, which is manufactured in the same way; the frame is pretty fucking hard and it's not too easy to scratch. And even if you do scratch it, the scratches aren't too visible because of the nature of the frame.
Although I did manage to put a pretty decent-sized dent and a crack to the swingarm as a result of a impact by a rock, but I've been riding for a year now without it causing any problems.
Tuvativ Descendent Stem surprised me
why is the rear shock upside down?
wow" my dream dream dream dream dream bike
Is that a Purion display on this bike? Please, tell me they did not put that POS display on such a nice bike.
Blame Bosch SmartSystem. The design was so derisive that Bosch just came out with a new wireless stealth controller and a discrete center control panel. Hope that Pole will come out with new CNC version of the frame that provides a receptacle for the center control panel. New version looks understated like 2nd Gen Turbo Levo Brose controls.
Somebody better take my credit card before i do something impulsive... gotta say i wouldnt regret it though!