Brand New 500cc 2 Stroke vs 450 Four Stroke RACE Bike!
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2023
- 500cc Fuel Injected 2 Stroke vs 450 Four Stroke race bike. Which machine will a pro rider be faster on? Let's find out!
In our continual mission to build and ride the worlds fiercest two stroke dirt bikes we teamed up with BRC Racing in Canada to turn a Husqvarna TE300i Enduro bike in a fire breathing 500cc beast. We call it KONG! And in this video MX1 professional racer Tom Grimshaw will be putting our 500 head to head against his race bike, which is a 2023 GasGas MC 450f. What are you predictions let us know in the comments below!
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We need more comparisons like this. Especially once the Bike and the Suspension is set up for the Riders.. There is no Comparison against a 500cc Two Stroke. This is Proof the Research and Evolution of the 500cc two stroke will never stop. If only a Factory team would have the Balls to Race a 500cc two stroke on thier Race Team..
Thanks for watching Dennis, We'd love to put Kong in a high profile race. its so good!
@999lazer all 500cc two strokes are that good. I would thrown my own 2010 Service Honda CR500AF in against today's 450 4pukes.
I loved 2stroke in the day. And that day has been revised 🎉🎉🎉. Two stokes rool sorry my suzzy. 😢😢😢. RM yellow still would be nice😂😢😢
450s are not racing in the 500/open class. 450s are the 250 class. 250s are the old 125 class. Stupid.
"I was never scared riding it" as he fish tails out of the corners and hucks to flat, throttle held wide open! Thats insane
Now this was a fair comparison! Admittedly I wanted the 500 to win but with an insane, young and current pro like that doing the riding, you can trust the results. Imagine if the suspension was tuned to his liking and he had some real seat time on it! What a rider 😮
Put it against a cr500 or a kx500
Oh man that big af 2stroker sounds glorious
So steel frame, chassis developed for about half the power and built (no offense) mostly in a shed.
Can you imagine how fast these things would be with the extra 20-30 years of factory development they are missing?
About the only big difference on that engine from the old ones is FI.
Imagine if the chassis was developed around that engine and that engine was developed with modern design, casting/machining techniques and so on from the ground up.
I reckon there would be another 10kg loss and another 10hp more over a massive spread.
As if it isn't impressive enough already.
It’d be so cool to see 500cc 2strokes compete with 450s in the USA nationals or supercross!
Wouldn’t be a fair race
Great to see a top 4T rider getting to grips and playing music on a (special) 500 2T so quick and with apparent ease. Top video Max and team!
Thanks Guy :)
Yes, he looked really great on Kong!
Tom can truly make that bike work it’s far fetched from the old arm stretchers from the old days.
It’s so amazingly controllable right out of the 999 lazer inventory
Great racer and nice bike can create lap times. I'm shocked how comparable it actually is
Fantastic video Max, long live king Kong , the bike sounded so good, a big shout to Tom, first time on a 500 and quicker than his race bike, you and you're team Max have built another amazing machine, it blows my mind what machine you would build next, as you have set the bar so bloody high mate.
Thanks as always Kevin. I always look forward to your comment.:) Cheers Max
MX bikes MUST BE. Two strokes, sound & smell of engines is part of the show.
That kid is absolutely ripping its head off🤘🤘🤘🤯
Thanks for watching allyson :)
I wasn’t scared at all….half the time he was OFF the throttle on the 2 stroke 500! I’d like to see overall bike weights, and side by side dyno results…I don’t think they are comparable
Very good guys! This is the vid everyone has been waiting for!
Thanks Jonny :)
brilliant vid the 2 stroke sounded out of this world and it looked faster even without the stop watch, hats off to that fella riding like that was a pleasure to see and hear.
Thanks Arthur, It was mind blowing to watch (and hear) in person. I hope the video did it justice. Cheers Max
There's nothing like a 2 stroke for killer power, and the sound is incredible. I miss the days where all motocross bikes were 2 stroke's.
You've looked at dyno plots? A modern 450 makes as much power as an old 2t 500cc over a broader rpm.
Incredible Bike! Now, Nev need´s to Race it!
Grin from ear to ear! So fun to watch!
Glad you enjoyed it :)
That was so fun to watch. And the sound... as I'm also Conjuring up in my mind the smell of castor oil in the pre-mix ;)
Would absolutely love to see Carson Brown ride this bike (US 2-stroke aficionado/pro racer).
it smells as good as it sounds :) thanks for watching. Carson would rip on Kong no doubt
Awesome vid and Tom what a ride on the beast. Oh one more thing it sounds so sweet.
Thanks Kevin, I think its safe to say Tom gave it 100% Not many can do that on a 500 :)
Great video, thanks for that 👍
its a pleasure:) thanks for watching Troy
Absolutely love this video shootout ! He is a great rider that is a rear end steering guy like Villapoto! Which is perfect for these types of bikes on that perfect track ! 😊😊
Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching Raymond :)
That things a beast great job guys
love the smokers coming back... I never differed
What i like best is the 500 doesnt have the vibration sounds of a big bore 2 stroke. Excellent.
Yep the counterbalance shaft on the BRC motor means virtually no vibrations. Thanks for watching :)
Great watch every time love your channel sir keep the great content coming god bless.The sound of that petrol oil mix is beut😮
Shows you in this comparison back when they were introduced the 450s into Supercross against a 2-stroke 250, they should have never allowed it. Plus I think tracks have been more designed for 4 strokes now
I don't care what anyone says , I love both bikes and I remember when the 450 4- STROKES were racing against the 250 2-STROKES . Now we have incredible 450's that can run with the 500 2-STROKES . Oh yeah ! What is the price difference for both bikes ? You guys have been massaging the KONG for some time now and it's an Amazing motorcycle . Thanks for the wonderful videos and the passion you all have for the SPORT . I'm loving every moment of it . Thanks for showing that even Professional Riders sometimes go down too . Just glad no one got hurt and no broken bones . I've been laid up a few times and it's no fun . Keep the videos coming , 2-Strokes are a blast . Thanks !!!
Would love to see Tom on that 500cc vs modern 450’s like Neville Bradshaw did
i think we can make that happen :) Tom is keen to have a race.
@@999lazeri hope he does
Back in the day the Honda CR500R was a mega machine. Under power it had the torque of a four stroke without real weight. Under power you could ride it and put it where you wanted to. But stopping it was another story. It was so easy to lose sight of how quick you were going. I was so small at nine stone that all I could do was ride it on the throttle to the point it tried to kill me. To date the most devastating machine I have ever been on. If KONG is anywhere close and probably better, with all the modern teck listed, I can see why Tom nailed it and has the smile to prove it. Mega.
Thanks for watching. Appreciate your comment, the CR500 is an iconic machine for sure.
Thats why they make oversize brakes. Mine gets a good workout!
You should do these tests on asphalt with supermoto tires.. would be really cool and helpful to see difference between 300 tpi 2t and 450/500 4t
I like how he was up on the pegs more with the 500! 🏁
Great video love the two strokes and Tom is a star .
Thanks Martin, Glad you enjoyed it :)
Bro I put 300cc big bore kit on my 2014 KTM 250 sx. That feeling is so awesome! I literally feel your joy! Sick!
Both class bikes but I'd still have to two-stroke
no doubt there, thanks for watching as always:)
That thing sounds SO good.
That 500 is a rocket 🚀 he was absolutely ripping it… I think if the suspension was set up for him and had more ride time on it he would shave another 1 or 2 off the 1.19 !! Another brilliant video and hats off to lads of the build sound so CRISP💨💨💨🚀💨🚀🚀💨
Thanks Dave, glad you enjoyed it :)
That sound!!!
Great vid.
Thanks:)
Amazing from the 450. I didn’t expect that.
This is the result of a good rider on a good bike, long live big bore 2 smokes
Awesome video Max , so pleased the 2 stroke won .................
Cheers Scott, it was tight, but a win is a win. Pretty awesome considering it was Toms first time on the bike too.
2-Strokes That's The away Dirt Bike should sound & Smell, Change my mind
i'll never be able to change your mind about that. Thanks for wathing:)
When I was a kid, I laughed at 2-strokes. Said they were sounded like they were going 100mph but never went anywhere. Then when I was 14, my dad brought my brother and I an '81 KDX420 home that needed rebuilt and assembled. I was bitten. Changed my life. 2stok4lyf
Semi-pro C-class rider here...
A friend of mine used to win & place A-class races on his 125 against 250s. It's always more about skill than CC's, as proven here. Riiiiing on though! I grew up on 2 stroke air cooled bikes, so, I've never been a big fan of braaaaap. 😂
Just listening to that bike and missing the 2 stroke smell it was still sweet. I expected Kong to beat it all beefed up but I am 13:26 sure the gas gas is set up pretty sweet to. All and all a pretty even playing field
I think Kong needs scoop tire. Nice to check lap time with scoop.
Hell yeah! Do it!
Looked like he was enjoying the 500!
Thanks for watching. it was so good to watch and hear in person. I hope the video did it justice :)
@@999lazer Absolutely, the bike looked planted in the slo-mo. And sounded like it was dialed in perfect. Good job! Keeps my hopes alive of seeing these big bore 2strokes race at top level again!
That was an awesome comparison loved the match up KONG is an awesome build 👏
Glad you liked it, thanks for watching
Freaking awesome b2b. Tom did great but Kong, did us proud.
Well done guys and btw, the production requires a 👍
Glad you enjoyed it! Really appreciate the awesome comment. I know all the guys will be pumped with it :)
Absolut geile Videos...... ich finde die immer Mega und interessant.🤟🤟
Vielen Dank fürs Zuschauen und deinen tollen Kommentar
At first I was like ”hold on it is not even the same test rider! How is that fair?!” And it took me halfway through the video to realize he hade a kit with red on one side and black on the other😂😂it was just filmed from different sides at times. i am so stupid
Incredible...... that 500 is amazing....
I really enjoyed this. Now my prediction is that he would be 3-5 secs faster per lap if he were to ride the 500cc for two months about 4 days a week. He was naturally very comfortable on the 4 stroke which is what he’s used to so he’s going to actually ride it better. The 2 stroke made up that difference due to being more powerful and quicker so if he was adjusted to the bike he would be faster on the 2 stroke for sure. Now I would like to see that test done where he’s had several months to practice on the 2 stroke. If he practiced only on the 2 stroke and did not ride the 4 stroke at all then I would say he would easily beat it by 5 secs.
Electric start ? Woosie ! And no Nitrous bottle either. I bet that Kong is EXPENSIVE as Hell. Sure is wicked cool.
Such an interesting test.
Performance goes where technology development goes.
Two strokes is probably the best technology on the field and this is the prove 👍
2 stroke sounds like gun helicopters in Bioshock
Great video. He'd be so much more fatigued on the 2S. Still, awesome single lap
Time.
Get in 🤛🏻💨💨💨
haha thanks Tess, we were so pumped with the result. it was close but a win is a win :)
Tom's a beast
thankyou for turning off the music when the 500 was singing
Before even watching it right through
KONG for the win!!
Damn that thing sounds good!! And looks fast 💪
Wow!
Fuck Yeah! that was a great comparison. Love your work guys :::::))))))
Wicked video Tom is a brilliant rider would like to see nev ride kong and see what he recons to it compared to the yzilla
Tom did ride the Yzilla too, we'll have a video with him on that coming soon:) and yep we think Nev needs a blast too...
if one has the strength and desire the 2 stroke 500 has to be the winner you cant beat the raw explosive horsepower the trick is tio Manage the power to beat a 450
This track is sweet
I have 2 video ideas u should do ktm vs husqvarna vs GASGAS or motocross 450 vs cross-country 450 vs enduro 450
6,40 in 2 stroke is a winner just the sound of it is a winner.......
The dirt looks great. Is that the vet track?
Could you also do a straight line drag race soon?
how about this :) we did it a few weeks ago czcams.com/video/G71OLJDn7-s/video.html
Impressive a totally different bike is able to eek out a win over his pro race bike which is impressive in itself but that just proves if he had more experience and tuning its clearly a faster bike. Also, awesome bike man!
Thanks for watching. We weren't expecting Kong to be able to beat his own 450 so we were blown away with the result. We will make a race happen with Tom on the 500 for sure.
I have never rode a 4 stroke open class. But I can say definitely that there is no way they are as much fun as my 85 cr500 was. Might be faster, but grins per mile nothing touches a 500 2 stroke. This channel ( and that bike) makes me remember that flying to close to ground( sometimes waaay to close) feeling. Thanks!
500 are special bikes for sure. Thanks for watching :)
If you want to compare this to a (mostly) stock CR500 & KX500, mine are as close to stock as you'll find. I even have the original pipe on my CR.
Many old-timers have told me that the stock pipes were the all-around best for them. Unfortunately, mine came with an fmf, and the stock one was wasted. So I can't test that statement.
Brill vid, two strokes rule 👏
Thank you for watching:)
5:34 the front disc should be laser cut with their name in there and it would probably stop better, and have a reason for the name cut in there.
Ultimate advertising 👍
❤can't wait to see Kong race for real. Such an awesome bike. Win it for the big boy 500 two stroke heroes of Old. 🎉🎉🎉😂😂😂🎉. That boy can ride a 2stroke and looked more at home on it than the 450.. . This is the power of old to the new. . Flex hard boys when you win 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Thanks for the awesome comment :)
You and the boys you are awesome . Great content . Awesome 💯 riding. I am 48and have an off the rails Suzuki Swift. Ha Ha. Suzuki Rmx 450z 2010. . Love all the bikes . But yellow hits my heart . I have more Suzuki s. That are Swift also. A Ds80.
And an 82GSX750e .
Run YZilla and Kong same weekend. That'd be a blast.
Great rider to push both machines equally. With a little more time he might break high 18's on Kong!
Never disappointed watching 999 LAZER.
Thanks Eric, funny enough we did take YZilla too and Tom had a little ride on it as well:) They'll be another video coming with the results of that one...
@@999lazer sweet
I used to ride a yz490 and I can tell you it didnt sound anything like the Kong 🎉
That mf 500 2 stroke sound gd GOOODDDDDD!!!!!! Damnnnnnn SONNNNN!!!! It give me the chills
Congratulations for another epic video Max!! Considering the last bolt on this bike and also including the labor, what should be the price for Kong;;; North of 30 k?? And how much hp is the motor??
Thanks, we haven't put Kong on the Dyno yet, but will do soon now its all done. We'll be sure to film it and let you know the results. Costs depend on what donor bike you start with and how far you go making it look good I guess. We haven't added it all up but probably £15k to £20K or a little more if you start with a brand new bike.
Thank you very much for your answer! Looking forward for the Dyno video!! Keep up the good work!!
The engine kit itself is $7-$8K.
Wow, same times!
When it's set up for him it'd be quicker
Thanks for watching Dylan:)
Make drag race between this bikes
Great video so glad the 500 won
Whatever the comparison, I get the 2-stroke is simply just more fun. Kids today don't know the joy of a 2-stroke. It's just a lot more fun.
You guys have any trouble tuning the 500 as a tpi?
Had a bit of trouble with mine mainly idling too low but got the tb yesterday so hopefully it fixes that, also had an issue with a lean bog because the power valve opens too soon but found an easy fix for that.
When we first did the conversion we ran it once with the TPI, the bike ran well apart from the idle, but that's because we didn't do the idle screw mod (as we knew we were going to do the tbi conversion). Obviously we had TSP flash the ECU to the BRC500 spec first. The TBI conversion using @brc racings new TBi throttle body is incredible. Our bike couldn't run any better, its incredible. We still use the stock TSP flash , but you have to get hold of the new ERM module that TSP have recently brought out to adjust the fuelling and increase it by 20% in most areas otherwise the bike will not run well. If you speak to TSP or BRC they will guide you though this. If you are in the UK Rutherford Racing are the guys to talk to about the ERM. We are making a full video from start to finish about the throttle body conversion. It will be out in the next couple of weeks and you'll see what we've done from start to finish. Hope that helps.
@@999lazer cheers for the reply, I can get it to idle faster if I turn the idle screw up but where it needs too be for normal idle speed the tps % is too high, it can't go over a certain % or it messes with the mapping, doesn't seem to like cold starting either that's probably down to the slow idle though . I'm based in aus, the tsp map has been tweaked a fair bit it was running way too rich fouled a plug in the beginning and the pipe was full of oil . I just got the brc throttle body a few days ago be taking it back to the dyno once installed so no plans for the erm at this stage hoping the tb makes a big difference though can't wait. The bog it had wouldn't be as bad on a track possibly wouldn't even happen, it was roll on 5th or 6th gear just as it hit powerband, if I keep the revs up from the get go like you would on a track it's not noticeable.
You probably know by now but keep an eye on that decomp nearly lost mine before I added loctite and fairly sure that plastic power valve cap is going to melt showing signs already, found some similar billet rotax sea doo caps but m8 thread so no go and can't find anything but plastic for the brc pv which is rotax evo.
If they ever let 2 strokes enter back in the factory cc for cc , for example 250 vs 250 , 450 vs 450 with todays fuel injection, the 4 stroke sales would die overnight
Great vlogg max thanks for another banger 🤜🏻🤛🏻
No probs Docs, glad you enjoyed it :)
@@999lazer always enjoy your VLOGGS max
3/10 of 1 second is to close to declare a winner Long gone are the days 2 strokes made double the power of a 4 stroke
Great video Max. I would like to see Billy Bolt ride this for a few laps. After all, the bottom end is a Husky and he is as crazy a throttle twister as I can think of. It maybe the best shot at getting a factory to race it.
3/100.
Wow.....close
It was Grimshaw's first time on the bike, it wasn't even set up for him, it was basically an adaption of a 300 enduro- the whole thing wasn't even meant to be a 500mx... Just imagine if it was built with the resources of a factory, not just a couple of guys in a garage. Lazer just made the whole 450 class seem like some kind of a scam.
I choose 2stroke 500
I’d have guess 2 or 3 seconds
How do u boys at Lazer999 rate the EFI BRC 500 based husky compared to the carbied YZilla BRC 500 based bike? Do ya's think the EFI is way better or still like a perfectly jetted/carbied 2-stroke?
Also im sorry but even though the BRC 500's sound good, NOTHING sounds better then a proper prepped and tuned KX500 (and i mean that with no offence intended) 👍 awesome vid guys keep em coming ✊️🤘🤘
Its early days with the Husky but it is crisper and feels different to the Yzilla. The BRC Tbi system has been incredible so far. I think the pro's will prefer the TBi system as it makes the bike more aggressive to ride, but a "normal" ride may prefer the slightly softer feel of the YZ
Is gas gas their own or who makes them.
I'd like to see jet Lawrence take it for a spin
Curious how tall the rider is?
He was ripping Kong.
2 stroke >>>>
now u gotta make 100 kongs and start a dealership
haha, that would be cool,
2-Strocke is always better. Maybe not in performance but in sound!
Uhhh that 500 out performed that 450 .. could you imagine a prime rider from the 90s on that 500 nothing would touch him