The Longest Taxi Ever - at Fort Lauderdale International Airport
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- čas přidán 19. 01. 2023
- Don't get me wrong - I love airports! But at some point we have to get going and actually take off. That process seemed to take forever on this flight out of Fort Lauderdale/Hollywood International Airport (FLL) when I flew with one of our daughters to meet a friend for lunch in Winter Haven, FL (GIF). Come along and see how this all unfolded.
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Dude I feel bad but I started laughing when they sent you back to the taxiway after lining up to wait. Taxi instructions should have included a fuel stop and annual. That was rough. I looked at the track on flight aware and either you are the most precise pilot ever or that GFC600 is. Good stuff Martin!
Hey Bryan... An annual inspection might have been overkill, but a fuel stop - yes, and maybe an oil change, too. 🤣
A friend of yours (@michaelfarlow9187) posted some other comments of how he thinks you might have turned this flight into a funny video, something about sitting in the back seat reading a magazine while waiting for your clearance. 🤣
Have a great weekend, and see you in Lakeland!
- Martin
@@martinpauly You should make a quick motion version of this video with the Benny Hill music playing while you circle around and around on these various taxiways. That would make it at least somewhat funny.
@@petrairene Great idea!
- Martin
Oh, and regarding the FlightAware track: yes, I am absolutely the most precise pilot ever. I was hand-flying the whole thing. 🤣
(That GFC600 is pure magic!)
Love a controller with a sense of humor, that was a lot of work for just one controller.
Indeed, it was!
- Martin
I feel bad for that ground controller he's just overwhelmed and doing the best he can. In my opinion this is exactly how mistakes happen. You definitely handled it very well. The controller at least was in a decent mood despite being so busy. As always thanks for bringing us along. Your videos are always such high quality! 👍😁
Thanks, Kevin. I feel the controller was very professional and in full control of everything, despite the visibly high workload he was under. This could not have been an easy morning to work those two positions combined. Nice work! 👏
- Martin
Despite how busy ground was that controller did a great job! Kudos to him!
I agree, he had things well under control, despite the high workload.
- Martin
I have a ground com button on my panel so that I can use the radio without cranking. This comes in handy getting a clearance without running the engine. I once sat on the ground in Westchester County Airport in NY for 45 minutes trying to get a clearance.
Good idea, Gary!
- Martin
Hear, hear!
Your daughter is hilarious… typical teenagers the questions they ask and the remarks they make😂
Loved the video Martin! Thanks for sharing.
My pleasure, Dominic.
- Martin
Wow! What a wait! But your calm demeanor showed how best to handle such situations. Great job!!
Thank you.
Smash mouth might have been a fitting tune to sightseeing ride 😀
But the view through the clouds layer was really nice.
Good for you! That Iowa politeness!
You gotta be patient at these places. Lack of patience won't get you there faster - it'll just make you angry. Thus I prefer "Iowa politeness". 😁
- Martin
Martin, that had some real entertainment value! At your expense of course 😂. But you showed great patience. Well done!
Glad you felt entertained, Shane! 🤣
- Martin
Martin, you did good.
Thanks, Bud!
- Martin
Well Martin, this one for sure was different,... wasn't it??? 😆👍 🇨🇦
I appreciate your professional composure and patience!
Thank you - happy to hear that.
- Martin
LOL! I love it Martin. You're the consummate professional. : )
Yup. That Controller was one busy gentleman!
@21:23 “7-0-Tango, Bravoooo…” - You could hear the hesitation in his voice, and I was thinking: ‘Drum Roll Please…’
But I knew you were going to be pulled back. LOL!
Drum roll, yes... 🤣
I think what happened here is the controller knew the aircraft which had just landed was about to taxi off the runway, clearing the path for our take-off. And before somebody else could step on the frequency with a lengthy request for VFR floight following along the shoreline through the Class Charlie, he "reserved" the frequency to ensure a timely take-off clearance.
Who knows...
Have a great weekend!
- Martin
Lol that would have been almost $500 in a Cirrus rental. What a nightmare.
Yes, in any rental this would have been $$$ - especially if they charge by HOBBS time.
- Martin
Wow, that's crazy!! But you're right, it does make a good video, something different! Great video, thanks for sharing!
My pleasure, Sir!
- Martin
Regardless of the wait time of eternity on the ground, a pleasant flight resulted from that. Great video and always happy to see your flying adventures, Martin! I get a little nervous flying my little 150 into busier Class Charlie airports this is another level lol!
Yes, Roman - and that's what it's all about in the end.
- Martin
Vielen Dank für das Video. - und, Geduldig waren Sie ja ;-)
Gern geschehen!
Wie man hier halt so sagt: "If you have time to spare, travel by air." 😁
Grüsse aus Iowa!
- Martin
Very interesting and entertaining video. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks, Dave - glad you enjoyed it!
- Martin
Hey Martin you guys both did a great job with those 35 minutes pre-take off. Big airports, the joys eh?
I fly commercially and those are quite typical ground times pre departure…. fortunately someone else is paying for it though!
Some airports are better than others, and when you mix European slot times in to the equation flying really is a slow way to travel ….. time to spare, go by air!
Quite popular for GA these days in parts of Europe is the concept of carrying a handheld transceiver to call ATC for an idea of delays, start time and at some places your en route clearance too - it means you don’t have to start up or sit on aircraft battery power (assuming no APU) til it’s actually time to move.
Also all that idle power taxiing around - am I right in thinking you’d be leaning out on the ground to look after the plugs?
Great job with the video, as ever. 😊
I have a handheld transceiver (mostly for emergencies). I also have the ForeFlight PDC option which didn't work on that flight, but it worked a few days later when Beckey and I flew back to Iowa. I had been to FLL before, and while I know it's a busy place, I did not anticipate it would take THAT long. Yes, looking back it would have been a good idea to get the clearance through my portable radio.
As for leaning on the ground - yes, I pull the mixture as far back as I can while keeping the engine running smoothly.
Kind regards,
Martin
Good thing you didn't have to go back and get extra fuel. Nice vid and entertaining!
Right! I think I was due for an oil change about half-way to the runway. 🤣
- Martin
That was a crazy long time to wait, that you were wishing you had some air conditioning
I was glad it was a December morning and not a July afternoon! 🤣
- Martin
Just think Martin, had you been renting a 172, it would have cost you $100 on the Hobbs just to start up and take off! That was crazy.
Yes - I always liked it when the rental rate was by tach hour instead of hobbs, for that reason.
- Martin
Interestingly today I was driving from Miami to West Palm Beach on I-95, past FLL and was looking, for a second, at the VOR seen on your video at 20:11. And to answer your daughter's question, the pilot flying the Bonanza that made an emergency landing on the Rickenbacker Causeway last week was not ticketed.
Thanks for answering that question, even though I hope of course that it'll never be relevant for any of my flying. 😀
- Martin
Quite a tour you got Martin you and your daughter looked calm it’s a good father daughter time. How far could you have gone with the fuel lost taxing? I envy the weather it’s freezing in Boise. Safe travels.
Thanks, Mike. I envy the weather, too - looking out the window from our house in Iowa right now, it's white on the ground and light gray above the horizon. Nowhere near as pretty as it was in Florida.
The fuel during taxi is really not much of a concern in a piston aircraft. Fuel burn in my A36 is around 3 gallons per hour, so let's say 1.5 gallons for the extra half hour we spent idling on this flight. That's about 7 minutes of cruise flight at my normal power settings, or 20 miles of range.
- Martin
@@martinpauly Thanks for your speedy response.
Ah the joys of having to wait. At least it wasn't bad weather. Hi Riley! I'm slightly jealous you got a dad who's a pilot! I'd probably be the annoying son asking all these questions or begging him to take me up every chance he got. :) :)
We've been on many nice family trips in the airplane, Kevin, even though neither my parents nor our kids are pilots. Now we have a two-year-old granddaughter who is super excited about airplanes - so maybe she will pick up flying one day.
- Martin
OMG that was LOOOOOOOOONNNNNNG
It sure was! Got the scenic tour of the whole north side of the airport.
- Martin
6:00 they weren´t so NICE making you wait for 15 minutes ahahaha, "B"NICE
Maybe the name of the SID transition was an omen 🤣
- Martin
Hello Martin from Sydney Australia.
Firstly why didn't you have your famous ice blower Esky on the backseat? Purchasing ice at (FLL).
🌏🇭🇲
Hi John. This flight was in December. It was warm by Iowa standards that morning, but that is why we came to Florida in the first place. When we left Iowa on December 21 with a temperature of 6 deg F/-14 deg C, the portable AC unit was the last thing on my mind. 😎
- Martin
For a second, I thought you were going to get the same guy on departure!!! I'm sure you've experienced controllers at KCID handling both ground and tower. But, that was ridiculous at Ft. Lauderdale! Two lessons I've learned: No SIDS, No STARS. And, stay well away from busy airports. Find a little reliever airport somewhere close by. Your daughter was quite a pistol! We love flying with you, Martin! Take care. Rick in Tucson...
Hi Rick - why "no SIDS, no STARS"? I have no problem with those.
Regards,
Martin
@@martinpauly Well, you have the equipment for them, and as long as you program your electronics correctly, you won't have a problem. One thing about STARS and SIDS is, once you accept them, YOU are responsible. Not ATC. If you bust an altitude, or don't fly the correct heading, YOU get a deviation. My Archer only has a IIIB autopilot, and a KNS80 and KX170B. So, No STARS or SIDS for me. Keep the great videos coming, Martin. You are becoming famous!
@@azcharlie2009 I understand, Rick. But there is a flip side: ATC can assign the route waypoint-by-waypoint instead of giving you a SID or STAR. That actually happened to me several times, including in my video of landing in San Francisco (SFO). I still had to navigate the whole thing, except the clearance would have been much easier to communicate and understand if they had just given me the name of the STAR.
Regards,
Martin
@@martinpauly Without taking too much more of your time, I could probably handle that SID because they gave you vectors. But, then "direct BNICE", I would be screwed. With my old KNS80 I could do that, but at 58 miles from DHP, on the 321 radial, it wouldn't be very accurate. I might have to say... "unable, vectors please?" Which is why, with the equipment I have, I should stay away from the bigger, busier airports. I really need an IFR legal GPS. Just can't get the wife to approve.. (-:
@@azcharlie2009 OK, now I get it. It's about your navigation equipment.
Yes, an IFR GPS is a game changer.
- Martin
13:40 Very grounded.
15:32 Good luck!
At least he's not losing his humor over this workload.
19:34 Wenn du denkst du denkst dann denkst du nur du denkst... 🎶
20:12 And you don't have to stretch it to get over one zero minutes. Just kidding. 😅
21:29 First very slight signs of impatience.
-> I had died already at this time.
31:52 👍
That's a good, concise summary of the video! 😎
- Martin
Martin, thanks for the video. I was at FXE and that was crazy enough but FLL is even worse. Question, what is your audio setup? Is the XM receiver integrated into the GTN750 or is it patched into audio1 on the audio panel? If it’s patched into audio1, where is the display? Thanks.
Hi Steven. I get the XM audio from a GDL52 via Bluetooth into my GMA35c remote audio panel.
- Martin
Great video as always! Good thing you weren't paying by the Hobbs!
I'm curious why you didn't do the run up while waiting to get a break to call clearance?
Kelley Aerospace Thermal Systems has an STC for an electric air conditioner in the A36. I have it in my Ovation and it's very effective.
Thanks, Frank.
I could have optimized things a bit, but honestly I was not expecting everything to take as long as it did. This was unusual. As for the run-up: while I was waiting to talk to Clearance Delivery, I was in the main parking area with many other airplanes - not the best place for the run-up. Also, I prefer to do the run-up when I'm not spring-loaded to get a call back from Clearance.
Air conditioning... that would sure be nice. But we are talking north of $30K, and that's a LOT of money.
- Martin
@@martinpauly Yeah, I wouldn't do it while waiting for a callback, but maybe while waiting to make the first call. Like you said though, it's unusual to have to wait that long to get a word in.
I hear you on the AC cost, I'm not sure I'd have done it if the plane didn't already have it when I bought it. It's cheaper than a whole new panel though! ;-)
Love the videos Martin! I just got a new IO-550 in my mooney ovation, was wondering how many hours it took you to finish break in and what power settings did you run during break in, also what's your gph set to on take off? Thanks for any information!
Thanks!
The break-in of my engine was quick. Maybe 5 hours before I went to normal operations.
For the break-in, the only special thing is that you want to be at high power - think 75% or more.
My take-off fuel flow is about 27.5 gph.
- Martin
@martinpauly thanks! That's what I'm doing, only about 4.5 hours in, so I was just wondering how much longer of low altitude high power I had to do before she's broke in. Thanks!
I got my ppl 8 days ago. I have not seen anything crazy like this in my entire flying career.
I agree this was rare. A busy time at the airport, made worse by the fact that Ground and Clearance Delivery were staffed by the same person.
When we left from FLL to fly home a few days later, it was a lot more efficient.
- Martin
Like coming out SDL IFR hold at end for release
At least that part was easy at FLL, right? 😎
- Martin
Really enjoyed this. So for your drama but it was really great
Since the window aggravation seems to be on the other end of the radio I would rather stay down than risk a rush of some inept tower ground controllers. Don't get me wrong there is few I would rather fly with than Mr. Pauly.
BNICE always 😂
Thank you for the vote of confidence.
- Martin
@@martinpauly Your one of the best if not the best still active. Cap Gp
Good thing it wasn't a rental...you'd have spent $100 dollars before you moved 1 foot, and $200 before you tucked the gear...
No kidding!
- Martin
Wow! If you'd had a convertible you could have had a really good tanning session...
Yes, indeed... 🤣
Martin where did you get checklist from?
I made it myself. Printed it out and had it laminated at a local print/copy shop.
- Martin
Hey Martin
? By The Way, What Happened With That Amazing Feature,
Wich AlErted You When Approaching Any RWY, Like :
“ - Approaching RWY 09 “
“ - ENTERING RWY 09 “
“ - RWY 09, “XX” THOUSAND FEET AVAILABLE “ ?
Once You Said That Was Yours iPad Software If I Remember Correctly.
I Found That an Essential Characteristic, Especially At An Airport Like Fort Lauderdale,
With That Kind of "Congestion",
Because it undoubtedly contributes enormously to preventing a "Rwy Incursion" !
Hi Ed,
At the moment I have not configured my new audio system to include the iPad.
- Martin
If it wasn’t your Bonanza, I would be thinking this was a Bryan Turner JustPlaneSilly video
Interesting - I am curious, what prompted that association?
Bryan is a friend and a great guy - I wish I was funny like he is.
- Martin
@@martinpauly Bryan is also a friend. I live not far from him and teach out of the airport where his Comanche is hangared. And I’m a fan of his humor.
My comment was on the comedy that instead of just simply going down Alpha, they provided the path they did.
I could see a satire video from Bryan saying your experience was normal and will include additional laps around the perimeter before the taxi gods are sufficiently appeased and you’re allowed to leave. And their might be some quick cuts of him sitting in the back reading a magazine while he is waiting for CD to provide clearance. Or his kids asking “are we there yet??”
Your vid’s are good stuff. But I knew you know Bryan and would appreciate my small attempt at humor
@@michaelfarlow9187 Got it - now that you describe it, I can actually picture some of those scenes in a Bryan video! 🤣
- Martin
What day was this? HORIS BOX on YT live streams from there sometimes. Maybe we can see you galivanting all over on the ground. If you are ever over Ames, rock your wings. I have "an investment" attending there.
Your daughter was correct, you weren't important enough to care about. Doesn't matter how long you sit on the ground wasting fuel. Those guys don't get the benefit of the doubt this time, you got screwed over because you're twisting a prop.
The controllers at JFK are more efficient I think.
That thumbnail was a gross exaggeration. I’d call it click bait except … I was going to click anyway. 🤣 ❤️🇦🇺
In MSFS2020 we can just ignore any instructions or begin lined up. 😉
I confess.... I photoshopped that long yellow cab. 😎
- Martin
WoW how much Avgas cost you? 😆
speed up the video and put yakety sax as the background music
Hope this isn’t what to expect from our great government run agencies.
Unfortunately we’re seeing more of this kind of service in both the private and gov’t services. Only 1 guy that cares and is trying to hold down the fort.
Keep calm in these situations. Going full pissed off, never helps. ( Ask me how I know).
Well done Martin. Hope all are well and safe.
They tripled our health insurance. Now doubled our gas piece
Your daughter was correct, this is pitiful. With such a long delay at idle, is there any concern with plug fouling?
always aggressively lean on the ground to avoid the plugs from fouling
As @LiraNuna said, if you lean as much as possible, the fouling is mitigated.
- Martin
Next upgrade, air conditioning.
We are thinking about it. Of course, these days here in Iowa it's more about icing than sweating...
- Martin
35k for aftermarket AC for the A36. I have factory AC and only use it on the ground. Plenty of cool air above, plus I loose 4-5kt with it on during flight.
remind me never to bother going to FLL .... (sounds worse than DFW)
I wouldn't want to be based there, but for the occasional (one-a-year) visit to the area, I don't mind too much. Look at it this way - I got a great tour of the airport! 😎
- Martin
@@martinpauly Guess my biggest concern is overheating the engine ---- did that once on a Young Eagles sortie after a long delay and now I'm paranoid about it
@@1shARyn3 Understandable - but that was not an issue on this December morning.
alfabet taxi
This is embarrassing. 😑
Why would you not fly into fxe?
I contacted FBOs at both FLL and FXE before our trip. FLL was cheaper for fuel and parking for our trip. It was also closer to our destination. And the folks at JetScape (FBO) at FLL are top notch 👍
- Martin