Chris Webber | Ep 78 | ALL THE SMOKE Full Episode | SHOWTIME Basketball
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- 15-year NBA vet and Former Michigan "Fab 5' member Chris Webber joins the boys on a must-see episode of ALL THE SMOKE from Atlanta. Webber opens up on his NBA career, including his run with the Kings and discusses how his game translates more to today's NBA. Plus, he opens up about the 'Fab 5' and his relationship with Jalen Rose.
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(00:00:00) - Intro
(00:03:40) - Dad Life, Pandemic
(00:06:18) - Today's NBA, Kyrie, Blake
(00:12:52) - Detroit Upbringing, AAU
(00:21:56) - College Recruitment
(00:28:35) - Michigan, Fab-5
(00:38:50) - Jalen Rose Relationship
(00:52:15) - Philly Run, Traded to Kings, 1993 draft
(01:03:20) - Rookie Season in Golden St, Dunking On Barkley
(01:10:49) - Sports & Music
(01:15:15) - Sacramento Run
(01:29:15) - Allen Iverson, Media Career
(01:42:22) - 2021 Hall Of Fame Finalist
(02:00:57) - End
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(00:00:00) - Intro
(00:03:40) - Dad Life, Pandemic
(00:06:18) - Today's NBA, Kyrie, Blake
(00:12:52) - Detroit Upbringing, AAU
(00:21:56) - College Recruitment
(00:28:35) - Michigan, Fab-5
(00:38:50) - Jalen Rose Relationship
(00:52:15) - Philly Run, Traded to Kings, 1993 draft
(01:03:20) - Rookie Season in Golden St, Dunking On Barkley
(01:10:49) - Sports & Music
(01:15:15) - Sacramento Run
(01:29:15) - Allen Iverson, Media Career
(01:42:22) - 2021 Hall Of Fame Finalist
(02:00:57) - End
Idc C Webb
I’m
Mvp.....thank you
Yo time stamps are just top tier definitely a great addition
WTF c.webb the black college down the street.Its NCCU,put some respect on this HBCU.Damn you and alot of top recruits are disrespectful as hell.HBCU were the only place top athletes could go.Now that alot of these white schools want black athletes to make their school money.You and alot of other players take HBCU for granted.Damn shame no pride in your culture.
Matt is REALLY good at transitioning between topics
Hella smooth with wit it
OMG! It's written and rehearsed! CHILL!
When he relate to the topic Yeah, when he can't relate 'That's dope' or 'that must be done' he says regularly. Lol.
Bro Matt will be the MJ of NBA post careers...Dude got the Look Respect and Professional Matt will be Hall of Fame Late but bcuz of overall contribute to the Game. WATCH
Meanwhile Stacks just sits there.
Chris Webber one of the best bigs to ever touch a basketball. Underrated Legend
Facts I was huge sac fan when they line up was
Bibby
White chocolate
Christie
Bobby Jackson
Peja
Webber
Vlade
Sac town ain't been the same since
Every time someone comes on the show he is the best and most underrated 😂
@@sketedavidson5161 ive always been a laker fan but that team was indeed a great team always had respect for them
@@blicleak1101 haha not funny 😆😒
@@blicleak1101 😂 💀
C. Webb is a true eldest sibling. The way he has handled this whole fab 5 drama is exactly how a big brother handles thing. Regardless of what they say or do you don’t expose what’s going on with your siblings
What's going on with his siblings? He's the one who apparently needs control of the narrative enough to release his own book and doc.
@@jasonsquiggles7310 nothings going on with his siblings. I was just using the fact that he’s the oldest as why he’s handled the fab 5 situation the way he has
@@jasonsquiggles7310 it’s his story to speak on the timeout so yes he should be the one telling it:
@@Jinxcity84 it’s his story for sure. But I feel they all have a say...
@@mattycampy 💯💯
C-Webb has the largest African American memorabilia collection in the world. Respect that man
Fr?
No way that’s true but ok
It isn’t close to the largest in the world, but it is extensive and you can tell he is proud of his heritage
Word
If you acknowledge your “black” your not woke or have any knowledge on your people. We are aboriginals labeled black as the death people from Neanderthals aka whites. White mean pure an black means death? Ya okay
Shout out to Matt Barnes for being a great interviewer!! Shout out to Stak for being SOLID! 💯 And shout out to C-Webb for the inspiration!!
OMG! It's written and rehearsed! CHILL!
@@EliteSports217 then how come they don’t add more questions for Stak in the script? Or he just be low key blowed and adds his trillness when necessary
@@EliteSports217 cap
All Fact
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Very few actually realize how GREAT Chris Webber really was at basketball... from 9th grade to the league. Absolute dawg!
Injuries slowed him down big time , one of the most talented bigs to enter the league , it also hurt him that he played in the same era as Garnett, Duncan and Dirk , Amare is in a similar category they were both a tier below those 3
@@moneyman9295 he was on the same level as all those guys if he stays healthy
@@Boss3Nate nahh Duncan and KG was jus as good offensively but better defensively , Webb and Garnett both elite playmakers and Dirk’s offense alone > C webb he was a monster tho , his play was ahead of his time he would fit better today
If the kings would have beat the lakers and won the championship I think people would have a different opinion he gave the shaq Kobe lakers all they could take
@@yocinfluenced9256 exactly
*WE NEED THAT RASHEED WALLACE INTERVIEW FAM!*
Word 💯
“ What’s that Niiia Name?!???!
Rasheed Wallace! “
Ongod
@@kingdingaling2469 Record hatin snitchessssss
@@caliaggie Yeaaaa man
Can we take a moment and appreciate how these three loved and say how they appreciate their mom.
Also appreciated his dad gave the upmost respect
"My pops my hero" C-Webb. Get so tired of the bs feminized narrative. C Webb has BALANCE. Mother and Father. Masculine and Feminine.
Glad to see they were in person. Different vibe
for sure
Yes, definitely miss the in-person interviews.
@@khristianpeel7165 We all do.
Straight up
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They are sooo dam good at this. Peep each episode how matt or stack has a close relationship w the guest. The other person gracefully takes a back seat n let the other run point while they chime in when needed. Chemistry too dope between these men.
💡💡💡💯
well said
Facts
EXACTLY
great observation. I agree. Matt Barnes is on another level, too impressive.
I truly appreciate how C. Webber comends his father throughout his whole journey and still to this day.
Right. I love that!! Without his dad and the fact he RAISED him and not tried to be his friend, he wouldn't be the man he became. Most men speak about their mom and mothers ARE important. BUT, In order for a male to become a MAN...... IT TAKES A STRONG MAN IN HIS LIFE. Most of these women are the reason their sons fail.
41:20 - Chris is a DEEP brotha. In referencing his disappointment, he referenced a song called "Stars" by Janis Ian. Was curious so I looked it up.
Check out the 5th verse:
" That the ones to give you the Crown
Have been let down
You try to make amends
without defending..."
That's deep...Cant wait for his doc to drop.
Chris and Jalen need to do and interview like Shaq and Kobe , Magic and Isiah type of interview where they let everything out.
I would also like to see MJ and Barkley do that
I was thinking the same thing right before I read your comment lol
MJ and Isiah would be the ultimate one. Might end with a fist fight though.
What was the beef about.
@@whereisWarren69 started with the timeout drama, then it peaked when Webber got indicted and Jalen called him a liar.
C Webb one of the realeast. Me & My Bros met him while on tour. He came to the South Bronx & Hung out on the corner In my Hood(PATTERSON PROJECTS)& was the most normal coolest dude ever. He flew us all out to Detroit for the Draft and showed us mad love the whole time...When he hit the NBA(I went to prison) he was still sending for my Bros & Letting them chill in his crib for days...Real dude
I saw C-Webb play in high school,college and the NBA....one of my very favorites ! Mad respect ✊
Y'all got me in my feelings on this one! CWebb - don't wait for a funeral, please get together with your boys and make peace. We have no idea how short life can be until old friends are gone. Matt and Jack bring a lot of wisdom.
KG made me laugh, Kobe made me think, AI made me grateful. But CWebb made me forgive.
Chris is so damn likable. Him and Jalen need to figure it out. It's been long enough
Period
🙌🏾🎯
Magic and Isaiah worked out their issues its yall turn now
It's much more complicated than that webber ego got in the way along time ago tbh also he gotta make the move jalen rose has reached out several times over the years
Jalen a snake
Met C-Webb at Baron Davis’s loft next to John Collins in SF. Took his timeout to introduce himself and had BD, Matt Barnes, Al Harrington & Monte Ellis say wusuh to us. Hella respectful and made sure we was comfortable there too. Never forget that day.
“His timeout” made me read this oddly at first
Now, THAT’S what’s up.
When Webb and them had a drink and Webb said "it's been over a year since I had a drink with friends."
I felt that.
I know man that sht hits
"I didnt wanna go to sac, I started questioning god" damn lmao🤣🤣🤣🤣
That’s crazy cuz that King’s team was probably the best team in King’s history they were light weight stacked they just couldn’t get pass the Lakers during that Shaq and Kobe era
I felt stac so heavy when he said “shiiiiiiii, I ain’t letting that go” 😂😭
Facts 😂😂
Those fucking refs in that series man. Disgusting.
That's a hard ass shiiiiiiii, my brother 🤣. $tac Jac to the world
C Webb one of my favorite player ever 💯
The Shitttt!
Yo finding out he produced 2 tracks for Nas blew my mind 🤷🏽♂️ So much info in this interview! Shouts to the smoke squad 💯
Me too
Not hard to believe.. Nas never picks good beats
@@KountryEJ910 lol
@@KountryEJ910 You funny, that narrative been deceased lol
I can tell Matt really is solid to give Chris Webber his flowers on his platform like this thru all the bs just for ppl to see just how beautiful his soul is
Everybody: 🥺🙏🏽
Matt: "Tell us about your upbringing"
😄🙌🏽🎉🎊
Two hours of CWebb...been a fan of his since day one!!🔥🔥🔥👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I’m not a kings fan but the c-webb/j-will/divac era was straight 🔥🔥🔥
Fr💯
Man, I love Chris Webber. Real smooth Pisces, lovable personality, plays ball for the art of it, real passionate.
Chris smashed a lot of Hollywood baddies in his day. Goat for sure
He had Tyra Banks for starters
@@AnthonyWilliams_83 Tracee Ellis Ross, Nia Long, all the old school black baddies, when they were young 😂
@@wavesonswim8128 that’s a great resumé
@@gel0121 Fax, a real brotha that got the 💰 and stayed with sistas 💯
Didn’t even know that damn!
"Who are they to be equal to?" That's one of the realest questions ever posed.
Facts
Barz
No cap
I love that quote so much
Ice Cube - true to the game
Matt did a excellent job with this interview, wow this the most I've seen or heard Webber....
Finally C.Webb come out and said what we all feel. He was cheated out of a ring. Glad this platform doesn’t censor you from saying what you really feel
Maybe he should hold some accountability of his actions by saying he should’ve played better like KG and Duncan did vs the Lakers in 2003 playoffs. Fun fact: Webber shot a horrid 45% from the ft one in the 2002 WCF and Shaq shot a higher % than him.
Since C Webb missed that shameless plug opportunity I’ll do it for him. Shoutout to the illustrious North Carolina Central University, “the black college down the road”. EAGLE PRRRRRIIIIDDDDEEEEEEE, AMMMMMPPLLLIIIIIFFFIIIIIEEEDDD 🗣🗣🗣💯‼️‼️‼️
Thanks. I swear I was wondering what school that was.
Thank you, for I had NO idea which HBCU he was talking about.
#facts
He should have called a timeout twice once for missing that plug & again for calling the podcast “Up In Smoke”
Went on a visit there. Best campus dining food I've ever had.
Big respect to C.Webb seems like he has heard all the noise and felt all the pain since he was young but has been strong enough to either ignore it or move on.. shit is really hard to do
Seen C web back then at arco early 2000's This dude is genuinely nice. You can really tell he was brought up very well by his parents
Damn Matt! You really do this! Your facilitation and “moderating” skills are massive. The way you transition the convo is 🔥🔥🔥
Probably the interview I’ve been looking forward to the most
I think the shaq one gon be fire too
See what you did their because he was forward.
I understand.
C-Webb is the most underrated PFs in my eyes I mean should really be in the HOF everywhere he went the team won period
Who are they to be equal to?! Whoa! This is the biggest gem I’ve ever heard!
C-Webb my fave PF of all time. He, Iverson, Marbury, Francis, Kidd, Garnett and Payton etc made my NBA childhood special.
Props for the Marbury love! His name has been run through the mud, but he was so cold!
WTTBA! From NBA Jam to NBA Street was a cultural golden age!
It's a start chris acknowledged jalen on a public platform.#Respect💯
Speaking to what Matt laid out about living your life not realizing your impact...Kevin Garnett gave sooo much love for Webber and how CW was his one that he looked at...KG goes on to be a Hall of Famer and Webb is looked over not because of his game, but what folks feel about him...
I just remembered how much KG gave him love...that was epic
KG is also a champion though..Webber never accomplished anything in his career. much love to him though
Dan Man a championship is a team accomplishment. KG is a hall of famer without the ring. Injuries killed Webber’s prime
@@freddycalipari4242 KG also had much greater individual accomplishments than Webb though
Kevin Garnett’s not in the H.O.F tho’
@@danman8770 Chris Webber & the Kings were s’posed to be NBA Champions.
One of the most underrated big men NBA players of all time. Chris webber is a for sure hall of Famer
I love how these interviews span their entire life. Not just some stuff they did 40 years ago. You get the entire story from childhood to present day.
I loved C-Webb on the Kings team, and I was crushed when that team got screwed by the refs and the NBA. I loved him in this interview. Much love and God bless from a Blacktino from Chicago 💯🔥
Yeah Chicago in the House Holla
Put Dat Man CWebb in the HOF PERIOD!!!🔥
He is hall of fame in my
Book
He definitely should have already been in
Should have been in
Man y’all gotta get Deron Williams on the show man. He’s so slept on and nobody talks about him
I think he was on Q and D if you want an interview till they get him on here
He washed out top quick.
@@museinmohammed8765 injuries my man injuries
You're right.
Brandon Roy slept on too. If not for injuries he was going to dominate.
As a Journalist, I understand that this platform is more lax & not a traditional interviewing format. However, it’s great to see guys like Matt put in the work. It shows, others sit there along for the ride
Truth is that NCAA and Michigan scapegoated these young men and it's sad a corrupt system cost them their friendship.
Who remembered when CWebb was on Arsenio and Naughty By Nature came out the audience onto the stage.CWebb started freestyling and then Treach closed out with his own freestyle.Good times.
Yep and Webb's freestyle ended with something like "on the court I got bigger hits/than Dolly Parton's got (tits)."
I remember Vinny being extra hype saying he was the biggest Fab 5 fan.
COMPLETELY forgot about this!
"Lemme slow flow, on Arsenio, I rock the show check two, number one pick here I go..."
I gotta go find that I never seen it
Nobody yall old af
Love C.Webb. One of my inspirations as a youngin. Wore #4 because of him. Best interview so far on this show, in my opinion. So raw and so many gems by Chris. You can see the depth of the brotherhood of Matt Barnes and Chris Webber. Chris doesn't do genuine interviews with anyone. This is legendary. Look forward to the doc and books by Chris and his side of the story. Respect fellas, thank you.
C Webb you've always been our favorite! I'm beyond proud of the kind of man you became through the fire 🔥. We know you had a steller Hall of Fame NBA career and was inches away from winning the chip! Continue to be authentic and an example for the shorties! Peace and love from Chicago!
This is one of the best episodes I’ve watched. C. Webb was so genuine. Nothing but truths
I'm a Texan and thank y'all for C Web and A I. Two of the best shows and some of us old heads listen. I am 66
Much respect, Sir, much respect and much love.
C-Webb one of the best to ever do it much respect 👌🏽👍🏼🙏🏼
They deserve an Emmy for this show.
How is he not in the basketball hall of fame? He made the warriors, wizards, and kings relevant.
cus he single handily destroyed fab5 legacy.
Elhanan Hardaway fab 5 was just Michigan making $ off young black men
@@freddycalipari4242 oh stfu. wtf u on about. the money goes to fund the university, education, scholarships, and research. all the university personnel's are transparent and contract based. if the coaches are getting paid in millions, so be it. they are paid well to win, which in turn increases revenue, to make the university better. Don't bring that typical black attitude. If you want money go to NBA. boo hoo. suck it up.
@@elhananhardaway8728 sure, so slavery was valid too because they "gave" Housing and food too?
@@freddycalipari4242 nah that don't fly here...what u saying could apply to any other university and or pro team...end of the day he did do what he did...I still like where he seems to be at rn tho
Yessss, I have been screaming interview Chris Webber since day one....hyped he's finally here!! 😁😁💃🏾🕺🏾
I enjoyed this interview. Chris was one of my favorite players-I like his perspective on life and all the things he is doing now!
Chris Webber looks young af for being 48
Jack and Matt are real ones! Always has Kobes back!
All the smoke is incredible. This one up there with Iverson. The Midwest was vicious in day.
Mr. Matt Barnes & Stephen Jackson. I hope you guys get this comment. Your show is one of the BEST sport talk shows, hands down. For me, it's the humility, HUMANITY, and the AUTHENTICITY, you and Stack bring, and the guests knowing that you understand them, and there is no underhanded subterfuge. They therefore can relax and not have to worry if some 'other' host are going to come with some BS, to sensationalize the interview. What you guys do for our culture is phenomenal. Just the stories of how people come to be what they are and what road they traveled. Chris Webber talking about the socks, MAN, I was a Michigan fan because of the Fab Five !! You two are knocking it out the park. If I had played in the league, y'all woulda been the homies ! Continued success My Brothas. And thanks.
I like how Matt basically apologized to Kyrie, I appreciate shh like dat!!
Chris Webber will always be one of my favorite basketball players. Thank you for this interview. Matt Barnes is very good at interviewing. The Day C-Webb and Jalen Rose hug each other and cry it out, I'll be right here 😢 😢 with them.
one of the best sports commentators. love his whole demeanor man.
Not so much...but he was a beast on the court and should be in the HOF
@@twizzy585ful not so much what?
He is a terrible commentator, but to be fair it's hard to be good when you're sitting next to Marv.
@@blakerussell228best sports commentators...and that's being very nice
@@elanzankman4399 he wouldnt be sitting next to marv this long if he wasnt good. you think marv would have him next time him all these years if he wasnt?
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That part where they talked about Matt's mom was one of the realest things I've heard
CWebb has is own documentary on the Fab 5 coming out he posted it on his IG
My gosh Barnes and Jackson are really good interviewers
Everywhere C-Webb played he was a monster.
Man this made my day. C Webb!! One of my all time top players. I just enjoyed this whole interview. Big ups bruh
One of my favorite players. He is mad underrated. Only the people that watched ball back in the days would know.
Webber is underated, Kobe was around.
@@daporkoil1 there also alot of power forwards that were sick too.. garnett, Duncan, etc
You are correct. Webber was just as dominant as any power forward has been in the the NBA for about 4 or 5 years.
Yup. West was no joke. Think about all the greats that didn’t win rings because of the bulls/lakers/Celtics/Spurs etc... from 2000-2020 only 9 teams have won the championship.
Matt "Mhm" Barnes
Matt “let’s talk about weed for the thousandth time” Barnes
@@jerrycruz1709 all I need is Mary Mary Mary I ain’t fucking with no other drugs
ya killing the comments in this one... super on point observation 😂😂😂
"Mhm" is a validation cue used in therapy. It sends the message of either agreement or continue or "go ahead im listening." That's why this podcast stands out. There's therapy in it which shows how genuine it is
Matt “Tell us a little bit about that” Barnes
Matt's an amazing host, it's unedited, this basketball show needs an emmy.
Been a huge fan of C. Webb since I could remember....I really appreciate these platforms that really give fans an opportunity to have a more realistic picture of who these individuals we've looked up to truly are. I have so much more respect and admiration for C. Webb after this! Thanks for keeping it a buck!!!
Stak has come a long way with his analysis and articulation of his thoughts. You can tell he been working on his craft. 💪🏾
Shout out to MOM!!!!
"WHO ARE THEY TO BE EQUAL TO?"
TRUE THAT!!!!!
He secretly want jalen back as a buddy,if so great end to a great movie
Awe man. Allen Iverson was amazing. When people hit that Practice Practice line I flip each time end give them a history lesson, thank you C. Weber for restating what that line really meant.
I felt for A.I during that moment as he was dealing with so much in such a short time frame
💯
Webber: NBA HOFer. An insightful and talened analyst
These boys shouted out their covid stats 😂😂 Jack 19-0, Matt 27-1
Smashing lol. I know matt was like damn bitch
Mmm.
Is that what they were talking about? I couldn’t tell lol I didn’t get the 19-0 27-1 talk
They talking about Covid-19 test results
Well damn lol I’m 12-1...but that ‘1’ hurt like hell
The part about Matt Barnes mom hits different 😢
yea, you can tell he didnt wanna talk about it anymore and quickly switches subjects
Chris Webber Jalen Rose Juan Howard and the rest of the Fab five and Michigan team will forever be one of my greatest memories and dreams ever as a little boy.. listening to Chris Webber speak brought some tears to my eyes of joy and regret but mostly Joy because I remember the beautiful feelings I've had from watching them play and being able to dream as a little boy to one day be like them
KG, Tim, and dirk knows Webb real well. One of the most underrated player ever.
I remember being in high school in the early 2000’s and seeing how dominant Chris Webber was in that era. He’s still Such an underrated PF. All the smoke brings it! Keep up the great work guys! 🏀💨
Edit - I wear black socks everytime I hoop because of the fab five. Much respect for changing the culture!✊🏽
I always wear black socks. Have for 26years.
I used to get made fun of for them and then a couple years later everyone was doing it. Yeesh
Hahaclassic early 2000s with the dada’s also
@@kingdingaling2469 I remember when NBA 2k1 had the black socks option finally
@@damarimoland1613 dadas.... holy shit forgot all abt those shoes everyone wanted that crown on their shoes talk abt nostalgia
Chris was visibly emotional talking about the Fab Five documentary
“YOU!!! YOU!!! YOU!!! I felt that when he said that
29:37 I love how Webb shout out the fab 5 and said Texas boys crazy and think different 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The Fab 5 had a big impact on me and my friends. Black socks bald heads rebellious attitude. We grew up being Wolverines we bought blue, white,and black Starter jackets. Much respect to those guys 💯💪🏾
Kudos for bringing up C Webb's connection with Hip-Hop (Naughty, Nas, The Source Awards, etc.)
People RARELY ask him those questions (especially him dating Tyra Banks...LOL)
Those MTV Rock 'N Jock years were classic
💯
Profound. What an impactful interview. Thank you. Clearest content to the soul in the media there is. Period. Love 💯
Respect to Stack for not drinking 💯
That's whats up. Do we know if it is a health issue or change for self?
@@dannisdiamonds he’s Muslim now, we are not allowed to drink
@@postcutclarity I did not know he was a Muslim now. Big ups to him and his journey.
@@postcutclarity I want to be a Muslim but I live in NC where black muslims aren't popular or big in numbers. Can muslims partake in marijuana?
@@geronimopratt7976 if you believe God is One and prophet Muhammad (SAWS) is his final prophet you are Muslim..smoking weed or any drugs will not make you not Muslim
I can hear the pain in his voice when he talks about JRose. Those two need to be locked in a room for a few hours with no cellphones so they can talk it out like the brothers they're supposed to be.
only J rose will walk out of that room
The way its supposed to be.
@@danman8770 fr they gon slug it out , only one coming out alive.
I think this COVID will bring them back together.CWebb early in the interview mentioned how he's appreciative of things during COVID.I think Shaq can bring them together....SHAQ??? Yes Shaq had his problems with Kobe, but I know he's glad they had that sit down before Kobe died.He can just let them know...WE NEVER KNOW WHEN OUR LAST DAY IS COMING....Covid will bring them back together.
Real shit 💪🏾💪🏾
Great see the in depth Chris webber interview 👍👏my favorite player. Chris thanks for all the great games.
Webb and Dubb is one of my favorite duos ever. So fun to watch. Webb Era in Sac was so dope.
Laker fan here and c webb and them boys will always be champs imo
You ain't a real Lakers fan then! Resect to C Webb but Eff the Sac Queens! They gave Bean the burger that put hinm down! Eff Sacramento and I'm a LA native... still reside and been Lakers since 75' Giving the Sac Queens they props and calling them champs? You a fraud
Love C Webb. Always been one of my favorite players
That conversation about forgiveness is a gem. Thank you for discussing it with some much wisdom.