Film Theory: 3 DEADLY Truths About the Star Trek Transporter
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Today we boldly go where no theorist has EVER gone before: into the Star Trek transporter. While it seems like a fun sci-fi invention that transports you to and from planets into the Enterprise, it is the furthest thing from fun! In fact, we believe the transporter would KILL you. Please, don’t beam us up, Scotty!
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Not ONCE did an episode that heavily featured the transporters go by without my dad turning to me and ranting about how he would never trust using a transporter and he HEAVILY encouraged me not to either. And I just sit there nodding along because he’s totally right and I totally agree, but also don’t think that’s something I gotta worry about for a bit.
Man, I feel this whole situation. As a person obsessed with philosophy I’m also “never trust a teleported machine! Do you want to be Cutty Sarked?!”
But yes, teleportation devices that destroy you are not really an eminent threat to worry about. 😂
At first when I scrolled down to the comments they formatted kind of weird so that this one ended with "[I] don’t think that’s something I gotta worry about fo..." And I thought the joke was that the commenter got transported right in the middle of it...
In the first place it's debatable if it's even possible to make something like that.
I mean on the surface it makes sense but ... how do you convert stuff to energy? how do you capture and transfer that energy with zero loss?
Even if you put aside the issue of it "killing you and making a copy" there is still a lot about it that doesn't make a TON of sense.
it's very early SCi fi tech that has just enough science in it to sound cool but not enough to actually work
@@metazoxan2 That is one thing it seems like MatPat didn't touch on. If you think about it for a second based on what happens and not what Kirk says in TOS they aren't transferring that specific energy. They are transferring the pattern which is just data, hence the "bandwidth" issues so it doesn't matter if the matter to energy isn't perfect. They use energy from the ship on the other end otherwise how would they have formed the transported Riker in the Riker incident if they never broke down the other one?
And as it has been mentioned elsewhere, the poop thing is because in the future they were running out of the fuel they had used in the past. In most of Star Trek they use saved patterns, energy, and possibly some base elements/ingredients as well to save energy to create things with replicators. I don't know why MatPat didn't touch on this, probably either not enough research or more likely to save time and simplify the video.
Dude I am that dad 😂🤟
Fun fact: Not once is the phrase, “Beam me up, Scotty” exclaimed in the original series. It’s one of the most famous Mandela effects in fiction.
I was looking through to see if anybody had caught that yet. I was so about to say it lol 😂
I was shifting through the comments to see if anyone else was going to mention this. Thank you. You are doing the Prophet's work over here.
I wanna like this comment but it has 69 likes, and i cant ruin that (welp its too late the 69 is ruined)
...paused the video and went to the comments - looking for THIS...
yes this i was coming to say this
I'm surprised you didn't mention how much Dr. McKoy fought against using the transporter in the ST:TOS movie. it even had an example of a very, very bad transporter accident!
yes!! this and another medical officer, i can't remember her name, i believe it was dr. polaski? but she replaced dr. crusher for a little while in TNG and she refused to use transporters. the theme of medical officers being skeptical of transporters is definitely somewhat telling
Was sure he would bring up that accident, it was described horrifically
There is an episode where Barclay finds creatures inside the transporter beam. There's another where Troi days "for a moment I thought we were inside that wall" and somebody answers "for a moment you were." This goes to show that conscious thought is kept inside the transport beam, which means you are still you when you arrive where you are. There is no death and then reassemble, but instead you are aware the whole time.
interesting stuff there is something to this however we are melding and confusing most of it i.e. awareness and consciousness are not physical things but the non physical part of our existence part our mind and self, however they do require physical structures they are dependant upon for function such as a brain. So maybe there is physical death of the physical body but somehow (through technomagic) the non physical forms can be preserved while they wait for their bodies to be re-assembled? Though I cant make sense of how your pattern can exist without its body regardless of whether it can even be conscious and aware or not
not exactly, they pull you apart and put you back together by mimicing the pattern at the start. To a person they create at the end of the transport there is no difference than the person that went in. But they're not the same, teleporters make changes, they correct errors, they remove parasites and foreign bodies that shouldn't be there.
The end result is never the same as the original, although people have teleported so many times it's hard to tell where the original was.
Teleporters in the shows can cause diseases by malfunctioning but they can also be used to cure diseases. The information passing through the buffer is too much for a person (outside of data) to modify in real time so they use algorithms to make changes and if new parasites or conditions are discovered patterns can be added to the buffers to deal with the new parasite or condition.
in the episode riker was cloned he didn't realize anything went wrong but he did notice the transport took longer and that he almost didnt' make it off the planet but it turns out the one that they were trying to take off the planet ended up stuck there for years while the "new" riker continued his life.
The clone was so close to the original that it believed it was the original.
@@supernova743 every person who beams is a clone. The original is destroyed.
At first I thought this must be a problem, like how does a soul stay. Some sci-fi say that the first teleporters or jump drive subjects come thru whole and alive, but there is no consciousness in the body on the other side.
I liked Deja Vu when they teleported him back in time into an ER with a sign on his chest “Defib Me” not that that is how defibs work, but I liked the idea.
if I recall, the "creatures" Brocolli saw were actually people that were trapped in the beam or something?
Sometimes the characters get frozen mid-movement when being dematerialised, and at other times they can move and talk still.
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There is a reason that the NX-01 crew only used the transporters for emergencies and supplies. Then Season 4 happened, and they got used to it.
reason being their special effect budget got better!
Not the budget that got better, but the fx got cheaper and easier
in the first movie, a person dies horiffically in a teleporter accident... I"m surprised im the only person who seems to have thought of that.... unless I somehow missed that in this video.
@@SanityTV_Last_Sane_Man_AliveTwo people, in fact.
@@SanityTV_Last_Sane_Man_Alive "What we got back...didn't live long. Thankfully." You'd think that would have come up as example since he mentions the possibility.
I remember having a debate with my cousin once about using transporter technology as a means of humane execution - I'm actually kind of surprised the shows' writers never tackled an idea like this (at least, not as far as I can remember - does anyone here recall an episode about this?). Anyway, my cousin was using the TNG episode with Barclay in his argument that being in the transporter doesn't necessarily mean you lose consciousness. One thing MatPat neglected to mention about that episode was that the bizarre, giant wormlike lifeforms Barclay sees during transport are revealed to actually be humans that had somehow been STUCK in transport for god knows how long... which is an extremely disturbing concept in itself, frankly - one that I'm disappointed wasn't touched on a little more! It's a reveal made at the end of the episode and is just handwaved away!
But yeah, if you're still conscious during transport and aware of your pattern degrading, that could be a truly horrific way to die.
In Enterprise, I don't remember the episode, but I thought they said to an alien species that they used the transporter as a humane way to execute someone. In the episode, someone had to die and Captain Archer choose to be that one and they used it to execute (transport) him to another part of the ship for him to retake the ship. Not quite an execution but the closest to that story line that I remember.
There was an episode in TNG where a few stranded starfleet members were to be executed, and the effect for it was similar to the transportation effect. They even say it's a painless execution in the episode. Other than that, I don't think so
@alexanderawe8031 'Angel One', or, as someone else at my college referred to it, 'Planet of the Stewardesses'?
That is so horrific.
I'm reminded of the Hitchhiker's Guide series, where Trillian once sent herself out as a stream of transporting matter/energy haphazardly, not caring where she ended up, or if she died.
I'm surprised that Mat didn't mention the Next Generation episode 'Rascals', where the transporter was used to age or de-age people. They essentially unlocked immortality via the transporter, but it was never addressed again.
Likely because the show (loosely) implied that all involved chose to return to their 'proper' age rather than deal with the paperwork of suddenly have the Captain of your Flagship being a thirteen year old. What was funny to me was that it was shown Roe chose to stay a child a little longer to get a feeling for the childhood she never had. . .and of course we never got to see that in any of the episodes going forward. . .Pity the formulaic approach meant that Roe got very little screen time.
i might be misremembering but didn't it cause those de-aged to act more childish, effectively changing their personality?
One thing that Matt left out was you could also be teleported to a different universe. There was one episode in the original series and several episodes in Deep Space Nine where one or more people were transported to a mirror version of their universe.
1:01 "Eating good" Ah, mattpat talking about things he has no clue about
@@slevinchannel7589fr, no Matt we haven’t gotten any new start trek. It died long ago.
@@Melanie-Shea Yeah BUT Starship Goldfish exists, so the spirit lives on.
In General, i alwas ready to recomend some 'Small Content rerators ' epic 'Masterpiece of a Pilot' but this one is even literally about Starships
That wasn't just in deep space nine, the mirror universe was introduced in the original series, and spock had a goatee
@@Melanie-Sheayeah it died but it has been revived
Surprised he never pointed out that "Beam me up, Scotty" was never actually said in that exact way on the show, much like "Elementary, my dear Watson". If there's a tradition time honored by both MatPat and Trekkies, it's being pedantic
Sorry. I saw your comment after I made mine. Have an updoot,
Closest we got was in Star Trek IV (aka The One with the Whales) where Kirk says "Scotty, bean me up."
@@usm05065 No, _I'm_ your father.
I loved star trek next gen as a kid in the 90s! The temporary accident episodes were some of the scariest things I had ever experienced. Used to think about what would happen if it went wrong and I'm struggling to rematerialize, also fantasized about saving people from transporter failures, just seemed so captivating.
I'd like to see a study about how dangerous transporters are versus shuttlecraft, because I remember there being a lot of shuttlecraft crashes in all of the shows :P
There is one thing about the trasnporters that i have never seen being fully utilized. Its amazing medical possibilities. You could store a backup of someones patern in a long term storage instead of just a buffer and if ANYTHING, from injury to death to desease, affects the crewmember just pass him through the teleporter, comparing archived to current data, and fixing what must be fixed.
With regularly updated memory logs in case anything super drastic happens ala. instant vaporization.
SNW Season 1 M'Beng's daughter is stored in a Transport buffer because she's terminally ill and he's holding out till he can find a cure for her.
There was a TNG episode where they did that with the doctor who replaced Crusher. She was rapidly aged, and then returned to normal.
Didn't they have an episode where they like transported a tumor out?
@Democlis I was going to mention that too. There was an episode where they did that. I can't remember who it was though. If memory serves me, it was TOS. It could have been TAS too.
I like the video, and I'm not the kind of fan who gatekeeps, so two things,
1. Scotty wasn't trapped mid-transport. He was stored in the shuttles pattern buffer, which stores the transport pattern before rematerialising.
2. Dr. M'benga also stored his sick daughter in a transport buffer until a cure was found.
3. there is a difference between being conscious AS the teleporter dematerializes you, as compared to BEING fully dematerialized.
How would your keep conscious when you dont have a brain?
Yeah at that point Scotty was just stored as information in the transporter memory buffer. Think of it as his blueprints, it wasn't literally him.
@@SanityTV_Last_Sane_Man_Alive Dunno, ask an AI.
Also the wounded soldier that Nurse Chapel tried to save on J'gal, but they later had to purge to allow new transports to come in.
If I'm not mistaken in Star Trek Enterprise another scientist also tried to rescue his son from being trapped in a transporter.
i LOVE star trek, and i think mat did an amazing job on this video, i just wish that the great folks down at film therie did more trek episodes
We NEED A theory on the amazing digital circus
Thats just a theory tho
One thing to note about being stuck in the pattern buffer - it's entirely possible that you CAN'T get stressed or experience normal psychological degradation from it, and can only experience them when you're out (which is why someone can develop a phobia about it, but someone else can get stuck there without overstressing about it) because in that state, they can perceive, but have no hardware on which to produce the chemical stress responses - the information is encoded as part of the transfer process, but they only experience the negative effects post-transport. Thus, if they don't have a problem with being transported (like Scotty), then they unlikely to come out stressed because they literally can't feel bored or stressed or angry or anything else at all. There's no physiological component to it because there's no physiology to happen in.
That's a really good point. It's easy to forget that emotions are triggered by chemicals
Alternatively, it's the dematerialisation and rematerialisation process that they experience. The actual moment of transport the target is a disassociated stream of energy. So it took longer for them to dematerialise/rematerialise, but Scotty would have been unaware during his time in the pattern buffer.
@@SeaalCox Most of the human experience is chemical - the transporter-phobe's experiences were likely freaking out in retrospect rather than in-situ.
I like this theory, however the act of perceiving is also chemical. Light passing through eyes converted to electrical signals interpreted by the brain. The recognition of what you're seeing/experiencing, all comes from chemistry and physiological responses. So if you are able to be aware you should also be able to understand that awareness leading to those stressors.
@@beardsmcguiness8463 That's the thing - they aren't actually memories of him being aware while being transported, but rather an imprint caused by the energy added to his pattern that the human brain perceives as a memory due to having no other context for it. It's just like how you can trick yourself into having memories of an event that never happened, or that happened to someone else but you remember it happening to you.
At least, that's the essence of the theory I'm positing.
Matpat didn't even have to theorize much, the show explored almost every possibility lol
That's how you can tell Star Trek is true sci-fi.
Sci-fi fantasy like Star Wars is like, "look at the lasers! Pew pew!" True sci-fi introduces a fictional technology, then theorises all the ways it could go wrong.
@@plus12gaming Gatekeeping aside, Trek is more "science fantasy" but in the tradition of harder-hitting philosophical scifi. Star Wars is also science fantasy but leans into being a Pulp Action/Adventure.
@@seantheimp Not trying to gatekeep, people can like whatever they want. There's definitely a bit of fantasy in Star Trek, but I was pointing out that it more closely follows the traditions of exploring the implications of technology rather than having them more as a backdrop.
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Did it? Was there a weaponized transporter chief whose job was to transport the enemies crew into space every time their shields went down?
Or to transport all the air out of the room?
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I don't know if the "they remain conscious" theory remains intact after Strange New Worlds. Because the doctor's daughter was constantly in the transporter and she didn't seem to notice any time had passed.
Yeah, technically they're not conscious while in the transport buffer. But the pattern shouldn't be in the buffer more than a few seconds, so they don't notice usually.
TNG had Scotty stored in stasis for decades and to him no time passed.
Yeah. I think perhaps they are describing the moment just as one is being turned into energy and the moment just as someone is finished being recreated - not the actual state one is inside the buffer . There have been too many people examples in Trek of people being in the buffer for an extended period and experiencing it as a few seconds.
Feels like MattPat didn’t do his usual level of research on this one as there are a lot of other areas he seems to misunderstand . For example, the whole poop discussion did not happen until the crew of the Discovery had been sent like 3000 years into the future - and given as Voyager was constantly having issues securing matter for their replicators in the later years , that suggests that they only determined they could reconstitute poop far after the majority of Star Trek series’ have been set.
When held in the buffer the pattern is stored, not the energy. Do with that as you will.
It might just be during the few seconds at the start of transport not the end of transport for we've seen allot of characters react to something thats happening in front of them while they are being transported, but they don't react to stuff happening around where they end up until they are fully there.
I was just thinking the same thing.
Us oldies have suffered through what feels like hundreds of Fnaf theories to come out the other side and be blessed with a Trek episode. Thankyou for this gift MattPatt
Wow. I feel old now.
Turning your phaser from philosophising to analyzing 😂 👍🏻
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It’s funny because Bones brings up several concerns about the transporter but is often laughed off whenever he brings it up.
because at that time they had over 1000 transports an hour across the entire galaxy and maybe had 1 or 2 mishaps with it over along period of time. like 2 to 5 years. meaning that as long as your crew keeps it in working order and all the safety precautions stayed in place it was almost impossible to have a mishap.
every concern he brings up was over the lifetime of the technology.
I also noticed in one episode that they retain the data from each teleportation in an archive, which they used to fix some medical problem WITHOUT resetting the person's memories. So whenever a person dies, they could just load up that person's last teleportation data to revive them with just a bit of memory loss. When people get old, injured, or sick they could just merge the memories of their old body into a young body to reset their youth and health. People could duplicate armies of scientists, soldiers, etc. to accelerate technological progression or win wars. It was frustrating that the writers were too dumb to utilize obvious implications from the technology they presented in previous episodes.
Considering you can create organs using the replicator I agree this would be possible.
They do this in Enterprise (a clone army made from teleportation and the limitations of it explaining why it did not happen later) and DS9 (transporter medical therapies are explored in many episodes and used to explain why half dead crew members are back to health by the next episode).
@@bigsprucerabbitry6238
I didn't watch this entire series. I'll check it out, thanks!
They sort of touched on that when Picard, Ro, Guinan and Keiko were turned into kids for the duration of the episode.
There are so many flaws with how the transporter was conceived and implemented in Star Trek, I just try to ignore thinking about it. It's a "quick transportation" device and I leave it at that. Because if you think too much into it? You start seeing how it doesn't make sense. It's unfortunate. I wish they'd come up with a "micro wormhole" device instead, kind of like what we see in Stargate SG1, except that it's portable, and the device comes with you instead of being left behind.
OMG MATPAT WAS IN THE FNAF MOVIE AHHHH!!!! YOU DESERVED MORE SCREEN TIME MATPAT!!!
The series Star Trek Enterprise also had some transporter problems as well, especially considering it was probably more unstable than what we had back during the age of Kirk
15:14 In theory he'd experience a few seconds of being broken down, and a few seconds of being put back together, but while he is completely broken down and stored in the pattern buffer, he's data, and at that point, is basically just a file on the computer, and doesn't experience time.
They touch on this in an episode of Strange New Worlds season 2. They put somebody wounded in the pattern buffer so they can heal them later. Unfortunately, they have to delete him to get the transporter working again later in the episode.
There were a few references to this kind of thing. In SNW season one, the doctor's daughter. Something similar in ENT. I feel like Voyager used the buffer to hide refugees once. The pattern buffer is just a piece of hardware where your pattern is stored as data.
@@jotosai4447 they hid a telepathic species from ship inspectors.
And yet he was still conscious? According to this video, he was aware the entire time, but decomposed to atomic vapor.
In "Day Of The Dove", Kirk used that technique to keep Commander Kang's Thlingan assault force stored.
Lets also not forget that the transporters are also able to de-age and age crew members aswell, there have been episodes where the crew has come back accidentally younger to then just be put back through and restored to normal age, so technically if someone wanted they could rig a transporter to turn themselves young again by using an older pattern of themselves from when they were young and pretty much live forever.
Would that also reset their memories to the time of the older pattern though? Effectively reverting all they had learned between then and the now?
And you can beam yourself into another universe.
Or beam yourself into the same space as your past self from yesterday, while simultaneously erasing your memory of everything that happened today.
Or divide your personality into arbitrary sections, and put each into its own copy of your body.
And people say The Force makes Star Wars "too unrealistic". 😁
@@t.tiredtypist9819 Likely not for there was the one episode where Picard and the rest of the away team were beamed aboard and became young and still maintained their adult memories, though it may have been a special situation, but thats not stopping you from setting up ways for yourself to go over what you've done over the years to refresh after ever time you de-age.
@@stevenscott2136 Your speaking about the Mirror universe with the Terrain Empire then yes.
As for beaming yourself into other points of time I've not seen those unless those were caused by external forces or alien technology.
Dividing a personality would be a way of lobotomizing but it was also shown that doing so caused instability for the two Kirks were not able to function separately for one was unable to make decisions and the other was to frantic
@@somebodykares1 Interesting point. I haven’t watched all of Star Trek yet, so I’m not qualified to offer any more information, it was pure speculation on my part, but thanks for your answer. It would be very interesting to see a character attempt to do this and the potential psychological results of deaging themselves repeatedly.
The transporter clones being made of poop caught me off guard and had me dying laughing.
I've loved your videos for years MatPat. Keep being you.
I’m surprised you didn’t include that transporter scene from The Motion Picture. Especially after bringing up that people are apparently aware that they’re inside the buffer. That scene to this day has one of the most unsettling, horrific movie screams I’ve ever heard.
OMG! That scene to THIS DAY freaks me out.
@@DrMarten Right!? And then that line toward the conclusion of it! "Enterprise...what we got back...didn't live long....fortunately." Shivers!! Such an underrated scene!
@@DrMarten That scene utterly horrified 12 year old me, seeing it in the theater for the first time. Those screams...
Wasn't there an episode where a bunch of people were trapped mid-transport, but nobody knew until one of the crew started hearing screams while getting transported? That one always freaked me out!
Wait, wasn't that the same episode where they discuss transporter psychosis?
It's been a while, lol
Aaaaaaaaaa that's gross (and grotesquely fascinating) 😂
The episode's name is Realm Of Fear. No. Barclay saw SOMETHING in the transporter beam. And the episode establishes Transporter Psychosis is an out dated fear by the time of TNG. Barclay's transporter phobia is due to IRRATIONAL fear of it, IE, convinced he has the condition after using the transporter and looked up the symptoms and convincing himself he has them.
@@XX-sp3tt It was a living create in the midstream of the beam.
Yeah, he thought he was suffering from Transporter Psychosis but when the being inside the stream was real, grabbing Broccoli's arm and causing a physical effect (his arm got freezer burn).
It weren't people, but some alien species who got trapped in the signal
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Fun fact: the Transmat teleporters in _Doctor Who_ have a special setting for Daleks that materializes the suit before the mutated Kaled body inside. In one episode, the Seventh Doctor used his Sonic Screwdriver to cause the case and body of an incoming Dalek to materialize simultaneously, killing it.
Genius idea 💡
@@hackman669 not quite, it was materialising top half where bottom should be and vice versa, it was remembrance of the daleks
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MATPAT U NEED TO MAKE A THRORY ON THE AMAZING DIGITAL CIRCUS😭🙏 (pls it’s so good)
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MatPat missed the episode where Dr. Pulaski was rejuvenated from DNA found in her hairbrush to undue unnatural aging
It's pretty astounding, yet impressive, how shows like Scooby Doo, and Star Trek, both made on a shoestring budget, became icons of entertainment, standing the test of time, and immortalized to be watched by new generations with each iteration.
Because when you have no visuals, you have to rely on good writing and acting to make up the difference. That's what made 1930s and 1940s Hollywood so great. Film was super expensive and lighting sucked, so they needed actors who were able to show emotion very strongly to offset the lighting, and who could do almost every scene in one take to save on film
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Same with Doctor Who back in the classic era
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@@filmandfirearmsThe problem with the older kinds of films and series you're talking about are the *overly* theatrical acting, basically being a campy play that is recorded by camera.
Being able to record subtle acting led to better films and series, well, before they became *only* visuals and no stories, or limp woke stories.
It would be nice if Film Theory did a theory about The Amazing Digital Circus.
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He did
@@dinoz2113 he made that comment 2 weeks ago when the video wasn’t posted, they probably know anyway
Great theories Matt, but did anyone in the original series actually say "beam me up Scotty"? I thought that was a myth. I was also wondering how painful the conversion from matter to energy would be for the person being transported!
i looked it up and nobody actually said it in the show. but the actor who played scottie, James Doohan had an autobiography called beam me up scottie and i think that is why people thought it was said in the show.
2 points, there are 'replicator supplies', basic materials that are used to provide raw matierals for the replicators as well as any waste, and I feel you'd only be aware during active transport, being 'saved' in buffer or what not would prevent your pattern from changing, so you'd be paused as well.
I never thought CGP Grey would be mentioned in a film theory
You just know we NEED a "The Amazing Digital Circus" theory video. we NEED it! PLEASE!!
Donald A. Wollheim was a short story SciFi editor. I have almost all the books from the late 60s to the 80s. In the 74 edition is a story called "Doom Ship". It deals with transporters and that a clone of the person is made. It's a great read and you know the Star Trek writers for STNG read it because it is the first time the term "tachyon beam" is used. Good story, great series of books.
Sound a bit like the novel 'Spock Must Die!' by James Blish.
My Bad. Tachyon was used in that novel 4 years earlier. @@tomkerruish2982
Theres also the Strange New Worlds episode where the doctor is storing critically injured patients in the transporter buffer until he can treat them but ultimately has to delete the buffer
thats not what happened. the patient eventually got rescued by one of those all-powerful beings and wasn't injured anymore
EDIT: wait are you talking about S1 or S2?
@@shieldgenerator7 S2 in a flashback to when he first met nurse Chapel
Honestly, I haven't watched this, so I dunno if it's true or not, but regardless, those are some of the most horrifying words strung together, thanks I hate it, have a lovely day. XD
Actually Kirk never said "beam me up scotty"
The closest he ever came to that was "Scotty beam us up”
Usually, it was "Kirk to Enterprise.... (number of crew) to beam up."
A few times, Scotty was in the landing crew, so Kirk would be communicating with another crew member for transport.
There’s actually an episode in TNG where a penal colony takes the souls out of bodies and leaves them in a similar state…sounded like torture
But isn't the soul supposed to be you? If you didn't have your soul, how could you be conscious? This is what they get for taking religious things and putting them in science fiction.
2:33 I felt immense Distractible energy from that statement.
What's crazy is the fact that the show had ALREADY speculated everything that was questioned way before it was wuestioned. That alone made me want to start watching startreck seeing how scientifically "accurate" stuff can be. Accurate in quotation because I feel the writers also had these curiosity and solved them themselves
What I love about this is the fact that the show eventually answers the questions people have about the very technology. Sure, not ALL the questions were answered. But at least every now and then they show you when things go wrong.
I like that this was put together in a humourous style, I laughed more than I was expecting.
One thing not mentioned is that manual controls are involved, what would happen if someone pressed the wrong button or their finger slipped on the slides.
Saving on some shuttle scenes and effects really opened up a can of worms.
The ability to turn ANY matter into any other object, including living beings, makes this the most powerful and horrifying piece of technology in all of fiction.
Oh the memories of watching Voyager with my parents. My Dad being a Star Track fan, my mom complaining about liking the OGs more and me in the middle, not understanding a thing. It was great.
Clarification on the Tuvix thing. It was a plant with a very bizarre reproduction method that was responsible for the fusion, not the transporter itself. It is repeatable as seen in Lower Decks but you still need the plant. You can’t just jerryrig a transporter, jump in with your cat, and come out some cat human hybrid.
Still a very complex situation, just a bit harder than the video leads it to be.
I don't know, I think Seth Brundle would disagree.
Who?
MUCH better trek theory than the last one! i have an idea though,
Can you do a theory about Star Trek Prodigy? Something like…
•is the Vindicator Gwyn’s mom?
•how did zero build their containment suit without a physical form?
•is zero the reason the Borg came back in Picard after voyager’s finale?
•who created Dal, why, and how did Nandi find him?
•why is jankom pog so different from the other tellarites?
•is the proto-drive scientifically possible?
•what kinds of medical issues would Dal have considering his genetics?
•how can Murf be killed?
•did the Drednoks start the Vau N’Akat civil war?
Any of these ideas would make great videos and it’d be ESPECIALLY good for the show’s publicity. It’s the best trek show on right now and it deserves the spotlight from a channel like this!
this is my fave episode ever. currently SHAKING at how much i love this episode man i love being a trekkie
You’d think after the Thomas Riker incident that proved that the transporter really is a high speed disintegrated/cloner they’d stop using it. Also, the phrase “beam me up, Scotty” was never verbatim said in Star Trek
Worth asking, anyone here friends of Desoto? They understand the problems with transporters
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And then it happened again to Boimler.
My assumption is that everyone knows how it works and accepts that. It's worth the sacrifice, to a society that hasn't known anything different.
So what about the people trapped in the transporter beam who were conscious and reduced by Lt. Barclay?
@@GamerFromJump the funny thing is, matpat was right about the whole “perfect alibi perfect assassin” thing, William Boimler got recruited by Section 31 to do space cia war crimes
Not to mention the transporter is capable of dimensional travel, as seen in TOS when Kirk and crew got transported to the mirror universe.
and that abomination that was discovery with Lorca
Great episode man. Keep it up.
PLEASE do a video on the amazing digital circus! 🎪
0:12 Well that sound is gonna get clipped out of context.
Fun fact, "Beam me up, Scotty" was never said in the original series.
You beat me to that fact before I posted it. Good thing I scrolled the replies.
@@Hando316 Beat me up, Scotty!
Scotty beam us up is close enough
It was very VERY close to being said in the show, but never exactly like that. The Mandela effect in effect here.
@@mainstreetsaint36 No, I am your father.
I love CGPGrey. I’m so glad they referenced him here
Film theory idea: something about the amazing digital circus
Lets not forget about that one episode of TNG where a cosmic energy entity takes over and tries to merge with Picard by becoming pure energy via transporter.
When the merge failed apparently Picard, who was still pure energy in space at this point, was still sentient enough to sort of signal the crew to bring him back, yet remembered none of it when they succeeded.
That can easily be explained as all the changes that Picard went through while being pure energy were not registered in any device and they restored a Picard without those memories.
It's not turning them into any kind of energy that can be used. Otherwise they could run the ship off of it, which they can't. They have to use an anti-matter reaction.
Energy can be transformed from one type to another
The fact that they do not do that in the series implies that it is not possible to transform the type of energy matter is converted into during transport into a type that is usable. @@pesokapower5372
Maybe they have a dark secret. Red shirts are disposable aren't they?
@@Robb403that’s TOS. After TNG it’s the gold shirts due to a department uniform swap
THE AMAZING DIGITAL CIRCUS WHEN????
MATTPAT YOU SLY DOG ! I won’t spoil anything but you were soooo right! “Lunch is the most important meal of the day “. 😂 bro amazing ! Congratulations! I won’t spoil it but wonderful progress and I look forward to any future projects !
In Voyager, the replicators use fuel that has to be rationed, which I'm pretty sure is just Dilithium, which the ship itself uses. The reason they use poop in Discovery is probably because of the severe Dilithium shortage after The Burn.
... or because Discovery's writers are gross and wanted a gross-out moment.
I cant imagine them just dumping waste into space either. Why not recycle every resources available.
fuel and matter are not the same thing. You are talking about the outlet plug you plug your 3d printer into, mat pat is talking about the plastic the 3d printer used to actually print.
They still need energy to convert the matter. They probably use both- it’s easier to convert the matter than to create it from energy. I mean, even chemically speaking feces is made of mostly carbon and so is food.
Nah. Dilithium isn't actually fuel. It's what they use to control and catalyze the antimatter that they *actually* use as fuel. In modern-day terms, think of antimatter as the uranium used in a nuclear reactor and the dilithium as the control rods.
This made me think of that one Jimmy Neutron episode where the friend group needs to put Jimmy and Cindy's memories back into their right heads. It made me wonder if something like that would have killed them, which brought up a further question for a potential future theory: How many times during the Jimmy Neutron series should the characters have died throughout their adventures? Seems like it might be an interesting theory to do given some of the other theories you have done, both in the past and more recently recently
considering they regularly go into space without space suits and can just breathe in space like it's fine, i don't think they follow the same rules as us
I know you probably won't see this, but, just saw 5 nights at Freddy's, and guess who I saw in the dinner scene, sooooo happy to see they brought you in for a role! Huge congrats man! And living tombstones song at the end! My God what a great addition for us long time fans
I LOVE HOW HE SAID “but that’s just a theory!” 💀💀💀
You should do The Amazing Digital Circus for your next video.
He will, if he doesn’t I’ll give you 1 million dollars
I'm surprised that they didn't mention the transporter accident in The Motion Picture as thats a prime example of what could happen to someone if the transporter isn't properly alligned and it's the primary reason why Bones didnt want to be transported.
I don't remember that, of course I haven't watched it in a couple years.
It was their science officer. Hence why they needed to pick up Spock on the way to sub in. @@JackalopeBunny
@@JackalopeBunny what happened was the people were only half materialized due to a malfunction. They were torn apart atom by atom in agony and died with a single scream as their atoms scattered into oblivion when forming at the transporter. Everyone was panicking and it all ended with "they're gone" , at least if I remember the conversation right.
My biggest issue is in TMP (1979?). Just a few hours after the horrifying and tortuous death of two crew members in the transporter, Admiral Kirk forcibly transports McCoy against his will, knowing full well McCoy hates the transporter and had just witnessed the gruesome death and had to console the transporter operator. And Admiral Kirk had rushed the crew and ignored the risks. The first court martial we see after this event is not until TVH and its for something completely different. For comparison, even if planes are considered safe, if I personally witness a plane crash or worse-rushed a plane to take off after being told of risks, I'm probably not gonna be flying for a while...and the FAA would investigate while police take me into custody.
The teleporter lore from Star Trek is fascinating & it's very cool how Matt Patt pointed out several ways the technology could be severely abused. Very interesting theory & commentary!
Yet another amazing video MatPat. I love your theories so much, so I would like to suggest a theory of my own in the CZcams comments since I don’t have accounts on the theory social apps. So there is this show called The Amazing World of Gumball. You’ve probably heard of it before (idk). But in one episode of the series, the store clerk Larry says the line “if I take to many break days, the doctor says that the drop in adrenaline could stop my heart” or something similar to that. I would like to know if this sudden drop of adrenaline could actually stop Larry’s heart given the working conditions he is under, given the fact that he works EVERY SINGLE JOB in the town of Elmore.
hey can we start a petition to bring back the old intro i love it so much
"beam me up scotty" - a huge catchphrase that was never even said in the show
It was said in the Star Trek cartoon, surely.
Was also said in a movie. 😄
In Picard the Borg modified transporters to insert DNA to everyone being transported, and then they used that to be able to add everyone under 30 (I think) to a new collective. So it doesn't even put you back "exactly" like you were originally, it takes short cuts to reduce pattern buffer requirements
Age limit was 25 for it to be effective actually, they explain why in one of the later episodes.
How does that imply "shortcuts"? The late 24th, early 25th Century starships have the ability to replicate matter and create realistic simulations on the Holodeck in realtime. Surely having some code in the transporter operation (bio filters?) that applies a surgical operation during dematerialization would not be beyond the technology of the day as per the lore?
@@marvinmallette6795 they say something about it in the episode saving pattern buffer space.
@@WatchMeEatCrisps I must have disregarded that as the pure nonsense that it is.
Any "data" storage used to maintain a common "pattern" of data would also be viable as "data" storage for an unknown pattern. This indicates that the "pattern buffer" has enough room to not require any work-arounds to save space.
The Transporters routinely transport a wide variety of species and cargo, and the data storage requirements for work-arounds would be rather significant. Better to use the storage for the pattern buffer itself.
Furthermore, the transporters are counted on to work with unknown species, who do not exist in a transporter database. This would require sufficient pattern buffer capacity making any space saving measures entirely unnecessary.
Finally, DNA is a "pattern". Hypothetically, one could "regrow" a clone of an organism in transport from a sample of its DNA, preserving pattern buffer capacity for spinal and cerebral purposes. *Note that this would likely automatically cure any wounds inflicted during combat, such as Picard's heart.*
Insufficient Pattern buffer capacity is not something that can exist under normal operating conditions, and have the transporters function as well as they do. Any such capacity issues would limit the transporters to those with compatible DNA, making individuals such as Spock and Mr. Data incompatible with transporter operations.
And the notion of space saving is not required as an explanation for the events depicted in the episode. The events are otherwise still congruent and compatible with the existing lore of the series. Also, the events are more dependent upon CRISPR technology than data compression technology.
Would love to see you make an episode about Stargate sometime ^^
Hey matpat! I just discovered this super creepy underrated analogue horror type of thing different from the usual. Its called the Scarfolk Council, and its so realistic with its weird 70s british psa’s that i wasnt even sure if it was a real place or not. Im sure its full of lore so maybe check it out lol. Great video guys, love your channel 👍
Star Trek theory!!! Lets go!!! We need more Star Trek theories!!!
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We need more Trekkies watching these videos
If he puts better research in, yes
@@der_sebbl I would agree. The research done here was surface level. And many conclusions, such as, “We’re eating good” as Star Trek fans is a tad presumptions. And it’s clear that the quote, “It’s made of our sh*t” from Discovery is likely a statement made in regards to the weakened Federation. The lack of dilithium has forced the Federation to resort to other sources of power in order to fuel the replicators, such as fecal matter.
@@ivandiaz8892 Not just that, but he also says that certain problems with the transporters aren't explored, when they were explored 30 years ago. For example, weaponizing them. It's been done in numerous ways. Transport scramblers are a thing in universe, they showed up in DS9 quite a bit. Mostly, they're used to prevent boarding of a ship in combat, but they are also used for assassinations and sabotage. The energy thing he mentioned seems to be addressed, with the system routing unusable energy through itself to prevent a full explosion, destroying itself in the process. Just like how a surge protector doesn't actually decrease the amount of electricity coming in, it just soaks it up so you don't end up with much worse damage. Mat has a serious problem with not understanding his limitations and just assuming that he can learn everything he needs to about a subject with a quick Google search
Cant belive Matpat went a whole video about Transporters from Star Trek without mentioning that during the OG show they never once say «Beam me up Scotty»!
@ProfessorPrel That's the Mandela effect of course. For those that don't konw the Mandela effect was named after Nelson Mandela an leadner with 2 death dates. So it works like this if you remanber "It's an Trap" and your firend remanber;s "It's A Trap" form Retrun of The Jedi they are not the person you konw form the universe you konw.
In fact, he says that they did say it.
@@lap456of course it could be Sheldon Cooper practicing his imitations,because you are watching the wrong show. It’s a trap.
Mat pad you should make a theory on amazing DiGITAL CIRCUS I am sure you will have Fun in make that Video
You should do a theory on the amazing digital circus
There's actually someone who discuss this in Star Trek the motion picture. It was at the start and it was not mentioned or brought up again but he was explaining why he refuses to beam up. It's been years since I've watched it but basically it was exactly what you said in the opener.
If I'm not mistaken, the reason he's so terrified is because someone died mid transport. Their scream haunts me. My brother warned me when he showed me the movie because I was sensitive back when I was a kid.
There have actually been a couple of episodes throughout the series that have mentioned how transporters could be used as weapons. Including one episode somewhere in the earlier canon (either TOS or TNG) that a character gets held captive by an enemy in a transporter as atoms. And yes, replicators were basically created to get rid of the excess waste by reforming it into food... Star Trek is a weird show at times
(Love that I commented this halfway through and then got to the end XD)
day 1 of asking matpat to do a theory on the amazing digital circus
Yes
as a fan of both trek and science this video was delightful! hopefully we won't have to wait another 7 years for another great theory from this franchise
"Is it safe?" "Oh yes, Sir. Snotty beamed me twice last night. It was wonderful"
"Forget it! Forget it; no more beaming! This time, I'm gonna walk!"
Its also possible that he imagined remembering his time in the transporter because of his fear of it. In Strange New Worlds, Dr. Mbenga keeps his daughter alive in the buffer and she experiences time as if she were never in it.
I was thinking it might be more like you only experience it while actually in transit, but if you’re just stored then you’re just computer memory. Which means that maybe if you’re directly beamed without being stored in the buffer and experience the whole thing then the whole ship of Theseus thing doesn’t apply, but if you’re stored then it does
Since they have the pattern of you're brain when you're teleported, they can reset you're memory to the before teleportation.
OKAY BUT the episode Counter Point from Voyager also shows how this tech can be used for smuggling. They hide all the telepaths on the ship mid-transport while they’re searched by the local government
you should make an amazing digital circus theory
Ye
Putting MatPat in a red shirt was a nice touch. 😂
Does him using a flip communicator while in a tng uniform make him an in universe nerd? Ah who am I kidding, star fleet is populated entirely of nerds and weirdos, that’s why it’s fun
@@unironicallylikesranger7122 If it weren't for the fact that Starfleet is a military organization, and as such has equipment requirements, you'd absolutely see people using old and outdated kit just because they think it's cool. Even then, people do try to sometimes hold onto their old equipment as long as they can, something we can see in real life with how many soldiers refused to ditch the 1911 when the US military switched to the M9, or how many cops refuse to get rid of their Crown Vics to this day, despite most departments officially replacing them 10 years ago. In the case of the Crown Vic, I fully support those things remaining in service, they are the best cop cars you could ever ask for
Man, i remember when Star Trek used to challenge the audience and spark debate beyond whether it's good or not.
Also I love that the series didn't shy away from the potential issues of their tech, even if it often times didn't have too much of a lasting impact.
Amaaazing digital circuuus!
YOU NEED TO DO A THEORY ON THE AMAZING DIGITAL CIRCUS!!!!! PLEASE DO A THEORY!!!! IM NOT GOING TO STOP UNTIL YOU DO A FILM THEORY
9:42 Technically, we see that ships like the _Enterprise_ and the _Cerritos_ have hydroponics bays. So dead plant matter is another potential source.
Also stellar dust collected from outside the ship with the bussard collectors. Or refueling whenever they get the chance to dock on a station.
they dont even need that. They can just use raw energy. Though logically they would recycle waste but it probably wouldn't be turned straight to food but just dumped into the main power supply.
@@aerozord Yeah, but there has to be *some* energy wasted in the transfer between matter to energy and vice versa. That's just thermodynamics for you. So it may be more efficient to keep bits of matter around that can be restructured on the fly.
So Dr. McCoy was right to disdain transporters all along... Another reason he was the best!!
Can you do a theory video on “The Amazing Digital Circus”? I have a theory: Caine has trapped all the characters in the circus on purpose, because he wants people to appreciate his work, but knows people will leave. So, to avoid this, he has trapped them. We know Caine made the circus because he mentions “his work” and the fact that he can control what is behind exit doors.
But that’s JUST A THEORY 😝
A FILM THEORY
YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHH