What if the Mongols Invaded Western Europe? - Alternative History DOCUMENTARY
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Wizards and Warriors starts a new animated alternative history documentary series focusing on the Mongol Invasion of Europe and asking What if the Mongols invaded Europe. In our scenario, Ogedei Khan doesn't die in 1241, which allows the Mongols to retain their unity and continue their incursions into Europe and Middle East. In 1245, the Mongols under the leadership of Batu Khan invade central Europe leading to the intense battles in medieval Bohemia. At the battle of Olomouc in 1246, the allied armies of the Holy Roman Empire attempted to stop the Mongol invasion ( • What if the Mongols At... ). The defeat here didn't stop the Mongols who were now full of wrath. And although the Europeans were now preparing a Crusade, this wrath will bring them to Bohemia and the siege of Prague will make things even worse ( • What if the Mongols At... ). At the same time, a group of Mongols led by Batu Khan moved south to attack Italy and sacked Rome ( • What if the Mongols Sa... ). To the north the armies of Subotai and Kadan were invading Germany and moving towards France, leading to the battles of Lubeck and Fulda Gap against the alliance created by Emperor Wenceslaus and King of France Louis IX. We at Kings and Generals hope that you will enjoy this video!
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Writer: Georgi Kolev
Animation: Georgi Kolev
Maps and Machinima: Hazimin Arif
Illustrations: Nargiz Isaeva
Narration: OfficiallyDevin ( / officiallydevin )
Guest Narrator - voice of Louis IX: Flash Point History ( / flashpointhistory )
Editing: Kamran Maharramli
Producer: Nurlan Karimov
Production Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound: www.epidemicsound.com
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why not a series on alexander and what would happen if he didn't die when he did and survived even longer, i think a lot of people would watch it, and i would even consider join kings and generals and giving £5.99 a month so i can watch even more content like your pelopensian, and Italian independence wars.
hearing that king haakon fighiting the mongols was all I was waiting for in this. The Greatest Norwegian King since sigurd the crusader.
I have another idea for your Alternative history. What if The Romans conquered Germania and Persia?
And now, with the knowledge of the fall of Rome, I fire will light in the heart of every crusader, every Christian and all shell cry vengeance. Will the last hope of a free west be consumed by the horde, or will the Fire of Christendom consume those chosen by heaven. Find out next time.
Great video and channel. May I ask that you lower the background music? I find it many times to be too loud and distracting and frankly I feel that large parts of the video don't even need background music, the voice narration retelling events is enthralling on its own.
Mongols: "Imagine a king who would fight his own battles. Wouldn't that be a sight?"
Louis IX: " allow me to introduce myself"
Saint Louis to the rescue!
a Troy reference I see!
Subatai!!!
Europeans, "Of all the nomads loved by Tengri, I hate them(Mongols) the most!"
I mean O.o where is he now? The Mongols still waiting for him to March east
As a Norwegian I am truly happy to see Haakon IV. This guy brought Norway to the hight of our power and it's pretty fitting that he gets to be the one to lead the attack against Subutai
Indeed! A worthy opponent to one of the greatest generals of all time
@@georgekolev6247 I think you mean:
Subutai: Finally, a worthy opponent. Our battle will be legendary!
Very good series! I hope you will continue in the future!
Skal
@@georgekolev6247 A little idea I had, based on your wonderful writing:
From the diary of Li Shanxian, a noble Chinese captive of the Mongols who was taken westwards by a Mongol chieftain. Lady Shanxian returned to the Song dynasty in her later years, and her accounts of her adventures in the West proved a popular morale booster in the Song Court. It was Lady Shanxian who also proselytised Christianity in the Far East for the first time, playing a vital role in the rise of the faith in that far flung region.
"And on the final day, a slave boy on the church-tower espied sails on the horizon. And that was the first news we had of Norway. The men of that country are regarded with great awe and fear by the Germans, for they were once pagans, and are terrible fighters. Their nobles do not scorn the bow, and deem it very proper for a king to stand atop the prow of his ship and shoot his great long-bow alongside the meanest serf. In battle it is their custom to fight on foot, clad in mail and with large shields that stood them in great stead against the arrows of the Mongols.
They lock these shields together to form a wall, and strike up a great roar from behind them, like the crashing waves of the sea. When a rider comes up to them he is driven back by their spears, or shot by their arrows. The richest and mightiest amongst them wield great long axes. They came amongst the Mongols in a great wedge and laid about themselves, cleaving horses down and unhorsing men from their saddles. And thus it was that I was saved, and met the man who would become my husband for five years."
Vikings vs Mongols, The deaths of Louis IX, Subotai, and Kedan, and the Mongol raze of Germany, the series keeps building intensity in every installment! Can't wait to see how it ends!
Glory to the Tengri and the algorithm!
Great... seems like I wrote myself into a corner, no clue how I will keep up with these expectations :D
Are u on the server hahahaha
@@RexoryByzaboo Oh you know who I am hahaha
Yo ant
@@Tenno_Hirohito yo akhi, I also saw you on the server, amirite
Hi there everyone!
As usual I (writer and animator for this series) will be more than happy to respond to all of your questions and look forward to your comments. A lot of work went into every piece of this story and I hope you enjoy this wild ride. Remember, this is not just about telling a fictional storyline, but using an alternate reality to learn more about the characters, geogropraphy, tactics, economy of our very own reality.
I still very much question the willingness of the Christians who helped the mongols sack and destroy Rome. I very much doubt that the very religious Christian people of the time would even dare think about helping a heretic force to destroy Rome.
Love it! Been binging this series since the beginning, it seriously pulled the wool over my eyes so much- that it could've fooled me for being one of the better historical epics on this site compared to most (this episode really proved as much)
Question- When you and your team decided to foray into this epic "what if" scenario, what was the thought process behind how major players within the sphere would've acted with regards to causality and the everlasting consequences down the line throughout this alternate history? Were these just mere guess-timates?
P.S. did you just ask chatgpt? don't worry, i won't tell- pinky swear! ;)
What if The English won the hundred years?
What if majorian or anthemius did not fail their reconquista?
What if Constantine died at the milvian, and the empire split between Maxentius and Licinius?
What if William of Normandy fell at Hastings?
thank you for this amazing... fanfiction? alt history video? whatever it is, its very good!
Mushroom Kingdom video next.
Louis IX: I Fart in your general direction, Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!
Mongols: *visible confusion*
Louis: (Gets stabbed in the neck) 'Tis but a flesh wound!
@@KaiHung-wv3ul mongol:Your Bloody Neck is Open!
Louis IX: No it isnt!
Please release these more often! This is the most detailed alternate history series I have ever seen.
The level of detail is really the main reason why these take this long. Making sure every piece of the puzzle fits nicely takes a lot of work. Animating it afterwards is also no easy feat
@@georgekolev6247 Completely understandable. Thanks for all the hard work. Is there any idea of how long you guys intend to continue this series? Like is there a definitive ending planned or are you just going on a per episode schedule?
@@georgekolev6247 understandable but the eps quality has made the wait well worth it imho, loving this series and how back and forth the fighting has been a really good time period where the tech level is pretty equal among the big players 💯🖤. One thing I'm wondering is while we're focusing on Europe and Mongol lands I'm wondering if we'll see any attempts at further conquests or at least raids into other parts of the region like Egypt and Hispania. Honestly with Frederick (at this point really earning his title of antichrist) of Sicily on their side do you think it's possible we might see hordes cause the most damage the Mediterranean has seen since the sea people's during the bronze age?
The battle of Lubek felt like the battle of Minas Tirith in terms of epic news and last minute victory
"Lubeck calls for aid."
"And the Norse shall answer."
The norse saving lubek was brilliant, and the axe throw that killed subotai was just hilarious, saviors from the north.
Vikings, French Knights and Mongol cavalry, what more could one want? Maybe legionaries and samurai? :D
In the not-so-distant past, seeing Norse sails on the horizon would have led any European city to lament their misfortune. What joy it must be when those sails grant you salvation.
@@georgekolev6247 may be a mamluk faris who in real life destroyed all of those
@@cuzimmoody6470 Who do you refer to?
@@ahmedshaharyarejaz9886 the mamluk sultante in general but specially baibars who destroyed the christians crusaders and the mongols
With the growing attrition of the core Mongol forces, I am not convinced they would have continued to operate separately. The conditions that favoured them the best was a large open field battle in which their unity, command structure, basic tactics and the homogeneity of their army would give them distinct advantages.
Only time and the last two episodes will tell!
Doubt that would work at all, rather because of experiencing severe attrition backlash on their overall once rigorous army, the Mongol had decided to gambles in any way over widespread chance they could see. Thus why they're splitting up into 3 group with differing goals, also probably trying to copy the exact method that the Mongol had done with Hungary, Kievan Rus, and Poland as before, overwhelm them from every direction to haste their victory sooner. As well merging all of them as one would just worsen the attrition from the already thinly stretch logistic line and lack of pastoral ground for themselves since need to be tend with bigger provides to get while coordinating them in very sluggish movement to head onto lots of war goals to achieve at the same time, thus distributing their lost as much as possible so that it won't be too harsh to stung them later. Lastly, the Mongol despite seemingly having homogeneous formation actually not the case early on, many of this tribes thay fought with them were once also the victims from their war in the past, like the Tatar, Cuman, Kipchak, Turkic, and more, with many officers who will not likely to stay still for long just for the sake of Genghisid children's woe.
We have to remember that ultimately, this is fanfiction. The goal is to maintain plausibility, not to be accurate.
@@williemherbert1456 regardless, the mongol empire was very stable during Genghis Khans rule and many of his commanders were loyal especially those he personally seen their deeds hence why commanders are hand picked by the Khan personally and he had a strict officer core and made strict laws of never betraying the Khan.
Had Genghis Khan lived abit longer he may have seen and taken designs to take on Europe.
But this video about Mongols taking on western Europe is mainly a fanfiction as the Mongols would still need more years of development to make up for the lost progress of the eastern parts of Europe because the 10,000 soldiers sent on the expedition to Eastern part of Europe gathered lots of info and then another invasion happened the Mongols had almost been so close to maintaining major areas in East Europe had the Khan not died and their traditions states, under no circumstances or excuse, the Mongols must stop their campaigns and return home now. That is because the high ranking commanders have very good influence within the military as well as political power.
With how geographically complex European terrains are, I reckon the Mongols would conquer the continent much like the way they conquered China, heavily relying on subjugated European forces (even marine forces in warships), while stationing their main cavalry in Eastern Europe as a reserve.
We all have to give a shout out to the formidable Malay archer. He’s the one animating these battles and using the game engines in order to make these incredible documentaries for us cheers to him may we enjoy more of his work for many more years to come.
This is the best episode yet. Subatai and Louis went out like legends.
Thank you so much for your support!
@@georgekolev6247 Went Out like Gs they were. I knew Subutai's death as gonna happen in this one. But didn't expect Louis to perish as well.
Frances command structure is seriously weakened. IF the English decide to Join the Mongol Cause and invade France with a massive fleet. Then it's all over for France
@@georgekolev6247 well done Jorge as usual I’m a Stasko what is the endgame will the Mongols ultimately emerge victorious?
@@sidp5381 we'd probably see a more drawn out war in western Europe
Think like Vietnam, mongols will slowly throw more into the war machine until a couple more states crack
It's gonna be tough from here on out
But I believe we might see the mongols stop around northern France or Southern France
@@srinjoyroychoudhury7034
Doubt they would. The destruction of Rome would probably sway them against the Mongols. Plus, the Scots and Welsh are a thing.
The description of theoretical Scandanavian intervention on behalf Lubeck in this theoretical Mongol invasion of western europe really does have a Tolkienesque 'Gondor answers the call' feel to it.
Indeed, I wonder if that is because of how much of a fan I am :D
Basically Vikings vs Mongols...what an epic fight
Or in another way, terrorists vs terrorists
Mongols had already defeated much more martial people like Jurchens, Turks, Khitans, other Mongol tribes. They also defeated Varangian Vikings of Rus' at the Battle of Kalka river
@@nenenindonu those people are all 4 ft tall while the Vikings could outrun mongol horses on foot.
@@joepetto9488 The "4 foot" people compared to Vikings had better martial skills, established stronger polities and ruled a much broader geography
@@joepetto9488 you think all Vikings were nord Dragonborn’s or what?? They’re Norse, not NORDS lol
This could honestly be a game of thrones level series. Great job! Can't wait for the next one.
Thank you for the high praise! I will do my best to prevent the final episode from being a disgrace :D
Ohh, shocking events lads. Nice work in putting this together; lots of blood, sweat, tears and love goes into this, I can tell!
I've said this many times but it will never get old. Thank you so much for your expertise Jack, without you this series would have been a tier weaker and I wouldn't sleep as calmly as I do now :D
The legend himself. Thanks for your videos on the Khitan
THIS WAS SO FREAKING GOOD! Seriously, immense props to whoever it was that wrote and directed this. It wasn't just entertaining, it had such a fascinating practicality and realism to it that many alternative historical scenarios tend to lack, even down to portraying bits of information being lost or unknown or even just rumor.
I'm touched by the fact that these small details are recognized and appreciated by people such as you. Thank you!
Nice, but lots of holes to pick here:
1. Mongol scouting was top-notch, I don't see Subutai being "jumped" by the Norse
2. Mongols believed in drawing away from an enemy who could not be beaten up close, and then returning to attack in cohesion. Even if jumped, I think Subutai would have retreated first to rally his men for landing a decisive blow
3. Louis' death galvanizes his knights, but Kadan's causes his men to panic?
4. Even with this entire scenario going according to the video, how are "two of three Mongol armies" gone? There is still Shiban with most of Subutai's reserves in Brandenburg. From what you said, Subutai had engaged only a portion of his forces at Lubeck.
Just imagine if Louis IX. survived the battle and then learned about fall of Rome. He would probably destroy the entire Mongol horde with his fury alone😂
Considering how pious he was and the fact that the pope was his friend I'm sure it would have been a terrible blow.
He would go down in history the same way Charles Martel did five centuries earlier when he smashed the Islamic army at the Battle of Tours, thus preventing them from expanding further into Europe.
I was about yo watch this video, and this comment spoiled a lot... I'll be more careful next time 😢
@@renatopardovalenzuela558yeah a spoiler warning would be nice but sometimes people forget
@@barbiquearea well but in real life he got destroyed by the mamluks at mansoura and captured at Fariskur he was defeated literally by a woman and his clothes , jewlery and toilet are still there in egypt, and he nearly bankrupted france to ransom him
Mongol warrior: Subotai, you have my bow!
Jaromar: *AND MY AXE!*
*Throws axe*
This Mongol alternative episode truly took me off Guard. I never would have thought such high ranking mongol generals would die and even Louis's death was something i did not expect.
The scenario can now be anything France can become like HRE as the king dead every powerful noble would want to take the throne. And on the mongol side it is a huge blow i cant think of a way but if Batu can make a miracle happen but i doubt it HRE is now more united than ever before.
As time passes more and more questions come into my head. How will central and western europe would react when they will here the fall of rome? Will the crusaders be raged? Would they feel hopeless etc etc.
I want to thank the Writers and animators for creating this awesome video. Especially Georgi 🙂and here is a candy for you 🍬😊.
*Glory to Tengri and the algorithm Gods.*
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Thank you so much for your comment my friend!
@@georgekolev6247 Np it was a pleasure
True even if they defeat the Mongols France will fall into a civil or I will say feudal war with each noble fighting one another to be the next king of France plus I don't think Frederick the second will submit especially not without a fight so I think the over all winner will be England.
Friggin' amazing! This series gets better with each episode, and it's still not over! I can't wait to see what happens next!
The Crusaders won in two critical engagements, but their leader has been slain in battle. Will the coalition stand after this? Will the Mongols manage to take advantage of Louis' fall? Will the crusaders unite and fight as one to honor his sacrifice and avenge the destruction of Rome? England hasn't gotten a role in this story yet, will they fight alongside their Christian brothers, or will the temptation of taking advantage of the Mongols' advance to deal a decisive blow against France lead them to ally with the nomadic horde, or will they trust in the English channel's protection to isolate them from the conflict entirely?
Wow, I already know how all of this ends, yet your comment hyped me up and now I'm excited to find out myself :D
Well, Wenceslaus is still around.
I can imagine when all hope is lost, Prince Edward will come down like the second coming of the lionhearted and drive the mongols away. That would be awesome to watch!
England always did hold claims to France it be a temptation offer but fighting the Mongols to save France may give the English the justified claims to France. imagine English lowbow men fighting with the Mongols. Or longbow men fighting the Mongols.
@@thecrusaderhistorian9820e also be able to justify his claims tonthe french throne and all France the english be see as liberators and saviors of france. Imagine English longbow men fighting intill they drove back the mongoln
horse archer.
Wow what an amazing episode! Crusader Knights, Viking Warriors, the evil Mongols - this series has it all! Can’t wait for the rest of the story… who will end the Eastern Threat once and for all…stay tuned!
Stay tuned indeed!
Eh wouldn't say the Mongols were evil. But you're right. Quite excited for the new episodes
@@TheAztecGamer123They were pretty evil, but so were most of the belligerents at some point. In this case, though, the Crusaders are firmly in the right.
Here comes revenge for the loss of Rome! RIP Louis, you left for a better world! :((
I really hope that the Crusaders will manage to defeat the Mongols and stop the threat!🙂
Great story as always! Glory to the Tengri and the algorithm!
I think there should be 2 victories scenario a Mongol and the other one is Crusader as it is alternative history. Despite who wins it Europe is pretty devested and Mongol losses are so high I doubt they can threaten the Mamluk empire like in our timeline.
@@mirzubair8291 A crusade victory would probably be the catalyst for one loosely united Europe, essentially having a medieval version of the EU , a Mongol victory would permanently cripple Europe that they may be left behind by the east, unlike in our history
The narration and the script are so good that it actually hurts hearing Rome and other jewels of Europe be crushed like this.
YESSS!!! So excited for this series to continue. Been sensational so far **saves into Watch Later folder**
Since you were this early I could tell you that there will be 6 episode in total, so enjoy :)
glory to tengry and the algorithm gods, but can we just take a moment to appreciate how this is more interesting than any movie I seen
Damn! I'm honored
Saint Louis went down like a Boss, helping save western civilization. A salute is in order!
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I love how the Fulda Gap because a strategic location for a mobile armored thrust from the East like everyone’s war gamed scenario for WWIII in the 80s.
Nice catch my friend!
@@georgekolev6247 my dad was stationed in Germany back then so I had an interest in doing some reading including John Hackett’s fictional scenario.
This story beats that of game of thrones or the witcher, it's just such wonderfully crafted and designed in just a few youtube videos. Keep up the great work!
As a big fan of the early seasons of those shows I can't tell you how stunned and proud I am that even one person would be willing to compare my word in that category. Thank you!
They should turn this series into an actual show. Sort of like The Man in The High Castle but set in the 13th century.
I wonder if in this alternative timeline, Louis IX will be remembered for this battle like his ancestor Charles Martel? Five centuries earlier, Charles the Hammer defeated the Muslims at Tours and checked them from further expansion into Western Europe, and in doing so was credited for saving Christendom from being overrun by the forces of Allah.
A very interesting question
"By all that you hold dear, on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!"
Deaaaaaaaaaaaaaaath!
Even though it is fiction, with historical context, it instilled vigor and even more deeper appreciation of my genetic roots. Lo, they do call to me. They bid me take my place among them.
"Then the French knights charged".
It sounds fascy as fuck, but goddamn am I still inspired.
....and got deleted instead.
"glory to tengry and the algorithm gods"
This was great! You guys are the best in alternative History makers. I have learned a lot. Glad to see what happened towns folks and jews.
Thank you so much!
Amazing! We also finally got to see a little bit of the Scandinavian powers who so far had lied pretty dormant.
It was also about time that the Mongols met their match, quite realistic too.
Expect something similar of England and Castile maybe :)
Even in this alternate timeline, Saint Louis is still one of the bravest and most gallant Kings. ❤❤
I didn't know that the Viking vs. Mongols was what I needed to make my day. 😅. Thanks, guys. Looking forward to the next episode.
Thank you for your comment!
Wednesdays came in clutch with that maneuver, and Loud IX was such a Chad for refusing to back down and let the Mongols invade across the rhine.
Venice here, this video is an excellent alt-history. Never before have a seen a scenario rile up such emotions in people. The writing is excellent, the Tengri gods have blessed us with this upload!
Thank you so much oh great Doge!
This is by far my favourite series on this channel. You guys are just as amazing with alternate history as with real one, hope we see a lot more like this!
Thank you so much!
All currently existing videos' length under the "alternative history" combined, is around 2 hours. "Mongol Invasion of Western Europe" looks like a colossal historical movie of its own.
These alt history videos are amazing
Thank you so much for your support!
We legit had the charge of the Viking Rohirrim.
Glory to the Tengri and the Algorithm.
Praise be!
Can i just say that this channel, along with K&G, are gems that deserve more appreciation? You guys provide unique content at top quality. Love you guys
Thank you so much!
Its so good. I love this series so much! Keep on making those videos and once your finished with this series maybe make a new one!
As long as there are people like you who enjoy it I will be more than happy to keep making these incredible worlds!
@@georgekolev6247 Thank you so much for this incredible work
Sometimes when I’m listen to this series I forget that I’m not on the Kings and Generals Channel, personally I would have a great interested in a similar series in the future!! Keep up the great work
I surely will!
Someone on your team needs to play a Med 2 campaign, log the information of that campaign down and you guys pump out an alternative history series based on the events of the campaign.
Not a bad idea!
Definitely like what if the Teutonic Order, Sword Brethren Order and Livonian Auxiliaries conquered Eastern Europe they almost did.
I love this channel. Star Wars, Game of Thrones, Conan, Elder Scrolls and the Mongols...
One of these is not like the other...
Star Wars? I mean, it's the only only in space. Or Game of Thrones, the only one not finished yet. Or Elder Scrolls, the one with the Nazi Elves, or Conan, the only one set in a fictionalized stone age?
man, what an episode. I was sitting on the edge of my seat the whole time (proverbially speaking, since I wasn't literally sitting). Excited for more of this alternate history.
Thank you so much for your support. I'm tirelessly working on the next episode!
This video is brilliant. I was surprised they got Subutai and Louis. They went out like legends tho.
Poor Kadan doesn't even get mentioned :D
@@georgekolev6247 My bad haha. Kadan went hard as well. Didn't run away from his pending doom. I rate that.
Nothing could end off finals day for me like another chapter in this amazing alt hist series!
I have to say, as a Texan, my heart soared for the defenders of Lübeck; they will probably be remembered like an Alamo of Holstein. Jeremar's slaying of Subotai had me HYPED.
The Battle of Büdingen is the most legendary entry in this series as of today in my mind however: great leaders lie dead, the tide has turned, and more is to come as news of the Sack of Rome spreads. I can't wait to see how it plays out!
We're surely going to have a "For Frodo" moment in the future now, aren't we?
Now that I think about it... :D
"For Rome! For King Louis the Martyr! For all who died to defend our faith and our realm!"
*"Lets gooooooooooooooo"*
It's a good day today
I'm going to update this comment when I finish the video:
This is so articulate and well thought out
Love how paced it is and easy to follow in terms of strategy and alliances, along with the surprises and planning put into every move by the "Historical" characters in this narrative
Also deeply appreciate the skill put into writing, it's honestly phenomenal
For the Future episodes, I would love to see how the mongols handle these massive losses of several of their elite units
How will the empire react to the death of the Chinggisid bloodline in foriegn lands and will we see a Great Alliance by Christian and Muslim Forces against the Mongols.
I definitely see either the mongols managing to reach modern day regions of France, how long that takes in I'm not sure.
I expect to atleast see Christian Europe go through a massive change with the destruction of Rome.
Either the reformation starts earlier, or France becomes the new Rome as the papacy in Avignon becomes the new Head of Christianity.
I can't wait for the next part honestly
I have to say that I live for comments such as these. You can't imagine how nitpicky and careful I am with every piece of the story, but when I read words like these it is all worth it.
I'm glad there are those among you that notice the fine details. As for what is to come only time will tell!
@@georgekolev6247 I've been a fan of Alternate History for years
And I've also been a fan of this channel hmthe day it started
To see w of my favioute pass times fuse is unbelievably amazing
I absolutely adore this Mongol Series and definitely look forward to more if your projects
Personally I wouldn't even mind giving a couple ideas myself once in a while for any future ideas
Like for example
*"What if the ottomans won the siege of vienna 1529"*
*"What's if the French won the spanish succession war"*
*"What's if the arabs won the siege of constantinople"*
*"What if tamerlane had lived long to travel east to invade China and reestablish the Neo-Mongol Timurid Empire"*
*"What if the Vikings had stayed and prospered in the new world"*
@@maddogbasil I think an "What if Alexander lived for another 30 years" or "What if Julius Caesar was not assassinated" should definitely be covered, since the Kings & Generals channel has had recent and incredibly good series on those two giants of antiquity. Bit cliched, sure, but interesting? Most certainly.
Edit: Almost forgot. Glory to the algorithm and the Tengri gods!
This is amazing, you guys. You guys did an excellent job, and the way you gave this series for alternate history a new level of appreciation and into fiction as a Netflix hit! I was hoping Louis the 9th had lived by retreating. But instead, he took the fight to Oba and died as a warrior. This an incredible masterpiece, you guys. Keep up the great work, and you guys deserve praise for your hard work and get the recognition you deserve!
Wonderful video! May respect for King Louis and Subatai going out like heroes!
But this war is not over. Who will recover first? The Mongols or the Crusaders? With the English lion roar at last? Would the Mongols conquer Europe? What will happen? I will eagerly wait for the next one.
Louis final speech was awesome! And that trick and the Norwegians coming to the aid of the crusaders was epic!
i assume Wenceslaus will be new leader of crusader as emperor and he will probably try to re capture rome, but this is so unpredictable series that i think wencelsaus will fail same as crusade and we will see england or habsburg also , but it would be nice if wenceslaus will continue.
@@holextv5595 indeed
@@holextv5595 Recapture Rome bro the city is sacked and its people are put to the sword don't think it's of any significance right now. Plus I think Frederick will support the Mongols because there is no turning back as it's not like anyone will forgive or forget so I think Batu will use Frederick's army as a way to replenish the loss.
@@mirzubair8291Yeah, Frederick is more or less stuck with Batu because none of the other Western rulers not already his allies would ever take him back. He and Ezzelino da Romano are likely both marked for death.
@@MrGksarathy which is why their will be one decisive battle which should have 2 outcome one is a Crusader Victory the other is a Mongol conquest of German and making Fredrick as the puppet emperor of Holy Roman empire and killed Wedaslus.
This is good work!!!, I was wondering when the Europeans would be able to mount some kind of defense, however I feel like Batu might withdraw now due to the death of Subutai and Kadan, jeopardizing the Germanic campaign as a whole
What I can tell you for certain is that the next episode will answer this question!
This is an amazing episode. It amazes me on how much work that the people have worked. Can't wait for the next one.
I'm a giga history nerd and love Mongolian history. Also huge fan of Subutai. Great content brothers
Thank you so much!
Yeah he went out like a chad, he probably wished he had died like this, fighting for the empire in a foreign land.
This is one of my most favorite Wizards and Warriors series to watch on CZcams. It gets better and better with each new episode. Looking forward to the next one when it comes out.
As am I trust me :D
Will the next episode focused on the politics of Europe, the Levant and North Africa, and within the Mongol Empire? I asked this because with the Sack of Rome by the Mongols, the deaths of King James of Aragon, Kadan and Subutai and two major Mongol defeats in Germany, the known world will most likely be in political turmoil for a while. In Europe, the death of King Loius will be mourned acorss all over Europe while what left of the Papacy is trying to reorganize itself at somewhere else, most likely in Avignon in France. In the Iberian peninsula, political factionalism will most likely rose within the royal court because there will be those who do not wanted King Alfonso X, son of Ferdinand III of Castile, to become their King due to his marriage to King James' daughter named Yolanda, and there will be those who wanted only the King's legitimate sons such as Peter III and James II on the throne. Not to mention that the late King's illegitimate children will also tried to press their claims on the throne as well, thus making the Kingdom of Aragon politically unstable even more. And even if the Emirate of Granada and the Marinid Sultanate did not seize such an opportunity to invade the Aragonese territories, the Muslims under the their rule most likely take such an opportunity to revolt. But in case one of these Muslim powers decided to take the gamble, Majorca is most likely going to be the target for the Marinid Sultanate due to how far it is from Aragon's heartland while the Emirate of Granada will tried to claim some lands up north. So yeah, political factionalism, civil wars, a revolt and the possible invasions by the foreign powers from the south sounded like al-Andalus shall become a thing again at the expenese of Aragon itself. In Eastern Europe and Anatolia, the Latin Empire will be completely dishearted at the news of the Sack of the Rome by the Mongols while the Orthodox states such as the Empire of Nicea and the Second Bulgarian Empire will most likely be overjoyed about this by viewing the Sack of Rome by the Mongols as the divine retribution for the Sack of Constantinople in 1204 by the Franks. Meanwhile, the civil war between the Mongols erupted, one between Hulagu Khan and Berke Khan and another one between Kublai Khan and Ariq Bukha. But without Kadan's support, will Kublai Khan managed to emerge victorious in the war against Ariq Bukha? And in North Africa and the Levant, the states such as the Marinid Sultanate, the Hafsid Caliphate and the Mamluk Sultanate of Egypt and Syria will most likely be the only states in the known world that are relatively safe from the Mongols at the moment. But will they formed some sort of alliance to fight against the Mongols in the Middle East or not is unknown. But I think they most likely will try to challenge the Mongols' imperial power upon hearing of the successes of the 7th Crusade from Europe and the Mongol Empire descended into a civil war about who will become the next Khagan from the Venetian, Chinese and Muslim merchants.
Wow what a comment! There is a LOT to unpack here, but I can't really do that without giving spoilers for the next episode. Perhaps there could be a discussion panel once the series is done?
@@georgekolev6247 Glad to hear it! It's just that this series have yet to dive deep into the geopolitical and economic consequences and the aftermaths of what happened in this alternate history like at all.
And I almost forgot, the Muslims in the Middle East and North Africa can fled down south to the Mali Empire and the Delhi Sultanate if they still don't feel safe in the Maghreb while the Christians can fled up north to the British Isles and Scandinavia. What I am talking about here is that the horror of the Mongols will forcibly encouraged migration even more to runaway from the steppe raiders.
Lets Go!!
This is getting Sooo good!
This series is the best alt history I ever encountered!!! Your ample knowledge of history really resonates through excellently placed parallels to real history. Biggest congratulations, and looking forward to seeing the continuation of the series! And the full length compilation!!!
This and Pacific war, on your other channel, is my favorite youtube content!
Your words have moved me and I appreciate you taking time out of your day to write them. Thank you!
Such an amazing alternate history! I wish there can be a movie about this, it would be epic to watch Norse Vikings and Mongol Cavalry clash.
Still waiting for that netflix e-mail :D
@@georgekolev6247 Hahaha yes they desperately need writers like you more than what they're using now. Great work! Have you considered doing more alternate history story-lines? I think once this series is creeping closer to it's end, maybe consider doing something on the Byzantine Empire, like what would happen if the Byzantines won the Battle of Manzikert in 1071 and continued being a key player in European and Middle-East Geo-politics and never fell.
This was soooo good! Cudos to the writing team! I mean The Lord General himself. I do bow my head to you.
Thank you very much my friend!
Been waiting for this!
What a series although, saddened by the death of subotai. Am very excited to see the ending.
Glory to the tengri and the algorithm
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Glory to the Tengri and the algorithm!
Subatai: I am Inevitable.
Jaromar: I am Jaromar of Rugen. **thows axe at Subatai**
Louis the IX: Crusaders Assemble!!!!!!!!! (the version at the end of Endgame)
Battle of Thuringia is like the Battle of Wakanda
Its like my favorite movie series of all time (Avengers)
Khan your videos can be made into a movie with great scenes
how do you write so well????
like this plotline is better than most movie plotlines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love it
it would be titled the Crusades: Glory of Tengri
I knew it. I knew Subutai was gonna die pretty soon now. As it happened in real world when he was in his 70s. Bur the great part is he died Fighting like the True Warrior that he was unlike dying peacefully in his bed. A warriors Death Bed should always be the bloody battleground itself. Long Live Subutai
The end of an undisputed legend
@@georgekolev6247 but they Must move forward and Devastate France. Like the Raids of the Huns, The Magyars and the Chevouche of the English. The story can end if the Mongols invade spain and are defeated in Valltarga
That was a really cool scenario. I loved the writing and depth of the battle, even if it might not be super realistic. Really well done! Looking forward to more.
Without a doubt, the best researched and detailed alternate history channel I've ever seen
Amazing series so glad to see a alt history documentary with this much quality thanks
Thank you!
I think the papacy would continue even if Rome was razed to the ground- it had survived away from there before and would again. As I recall playing medieval total war it would just spring up somewhere else and I think that was one of the more historically accurate parts of the game.
I do believe that no game ever simulated a situation as dire as this. That being said I don't want to give away spoilers
@@georgekolev6247 Its my belief that the Papacy would have survived the sacking of Rome, only the seat of the Pope would of shifted elsewhere. Maybe we would get something similar to the Avignon Papacy, which began in 1309 under Pope Clement V. That took place at a time when France was powerful enough to exert a great deal of influence over the Popes. I imagine in this timeline, France will become the main hub for fleeing Christians from all over Europe to find safety from the heathen marauders. Therefore a new church hierarchy will likely form in France, thus giving the Kings of France a lot of religious and political capital.
Well the Reformation will be able to happen much sooner. I asked my father he said with the Pope and the Papacy wiped out the kingdoms of Europe will appoint their own bishops as leaders of their church's and their be a much earlier reformation without the pope of Rome to stop it so no 30 years war either possibly .
This would’ve made the Holy Emperor a lot more powerful since he’d have to be the one to pick a new Pope.
@@stevenchoza6391 Depends on where the Papacy is resurrected, historically a little after this date it was in Avignon which would mean the French king had the choice. Most popes weren't as influential as depicted, the majority of the many historical figures who were declared heretics suffered no consequences.
Can't wait to see next episode.
can't wait for the next one!
Okay, now I want an HBO TV series about this.
very entertaining series, cannnot wait for the next installment
I love the historical fantasy you guys are building! All the figures/characters that the divergence point spawned are all steeped in the energy and feel of the medieval age and I feel the additions and depth given to the mongol commanders and their decisions are awesome as well! Great job!
You have touched upon what was exactly my ambition at the start of this project and I'm very happy you see the beauty and effort in it. Thank you!
I didn't think we would get a Part 4 for this three-part series, but I'm not complaining!
Not sure we ever announced this as a three part series, in fact it has 6 parts (For Season 1 at least)
Six parts?? Heck yes! Very excited for the next episode. You know the invasion of France is coming, but the Mongols have to defeat Wenceslaus now. He has thwarted them far too many times.
@@georgekolev6247 i dont understand, so this is a 3 part series(3 episodes per series) so that means 9 episodes in total?
@@hiraynfonseka9472 oh no season 1 is like 6 episodes
Maybe a 2nd season has the same amount :)
@@board-qu9iu oh okay
Wow, was waiting for this! Soooo good! I like the back and forth victories and improvised but realistic speeches and war tactics. Can't wait for the next one!
Each speech in the series is partly based on real words we find in sources. In his final words to his son Louis utters many of the sentiments you hear on the screen.
Nice. That's cool that they are sticking to embodying the players based on their own words. These goes are true enthusiasts of history.
Maybe I should say, you are a true history enthusiast 😅.
This is every medieval history nerd's wet dream. Vikings vs Mongols, Frederick II what-ifs, big armies and even bigger coalitions. Looking forward to the next episode!
Vikings VS Mongols? Well, sort of. I mean the term "Vikings" technically refers to the pagan Norse raiders that were the bane of Europe from the 800s-1066. These Norsemen fighting the Mongols would be Christians and from an actually standing army, wouldn't they?
@@sgauden02 Yes I know brother I know I was oversimplifying
@@riccardomartina9517 Still, it would've been badass to see actual Vikings fighting the Mongols!
Freddy II deserved better. #justiceforhohenstaufen
@@sgauden02they did, as well as crusaders against mongols and lost easily in multiple times Eastern Europe lol
Love this!!
Make more alternate history docs! I want an alternate series based on the Napoleonic Wars!
Great vid as always
that moment when you react to king louis speaking instanly feeling somethings of but nothing of the other things, all seems realistic and just go along with as per normal k&g video
Thank you!
I think that this is one of the greatest series that you guys have done on the wizards and warriors channel, I really think you guys should make more alternative history videos. I just hope we won't have to wait another 2 Months for the next episode of the series! 👍🏻
I will do my best to prevent that!
Very hyped for Part 5!
Sir,you are creating a master piece! Amazing work!
Well that was a turn. Didn't expect Louis and Subotai to die.
Those 2 defeats have markedly reduced the Mongol component of their armies in Germany and reinforcements are a very long way away. Shiban has the only Mongol heavy army left north of the Alps and he has to also hold down all of Eastern Europe. If Batu leaves to assist then the Northern Italian States and Aragon will only have to worry about Freddy, which historically they won. Batu's situation is becoming similar to Attila's now. his armies are more subjugated races than native Mongol and he's being stretched further and further.
The 7th Crusade is also in trouble, with Louis' death, France is now going to be in a long regency period (although under the capable hands of Queen Mother Blanche that won't be a problem internally). I assume Wenceslaus will be the new leader of the 7th Crusade and hoping that vengeance will keep the French in the war. Charles of Anjou will be key. Will he focus on what he wants over what his brother desired?
We are also getting to the point in history where Batu came into conflict with the Great Khan Güyük which ended in his death and Batu played kingmaker (he refused to become Great Khan himself when offered but did get Mongke put in over other descendants of Genghis as 4th Great Khan). I'm curious how or if that is going to have an impact on this campaign.
I mean, Mongke was the grandson of Ghengis, you mean he refused the throne to the heirs of Ogedai?
Sent hulagu with another 140 000 troops to reinforce Europe instead of the Middle east & problem Solved
@@KaiHung-wv3ul Yes, by this time there were a number of branches (Houses?) of Genghis Khan's family. Batu historically had delayed the election of the 3rd Khan by his invasion of Europe before returning for the election. After Great Khan Güyük death/murder, Batu again didn't return to the capital and held a election in his domains where he refused the crown and recommended Mongke, a member of another House who was a still a descendant of Genghis.. Batu himself is a grandson of Genghis and quite legitimately could have accepted election. In a way the Mongol Empire was a bit like the Holy Roman Empire in that the Great Khan was elected except only family members could be electors.
Unlikely, since Ogedei is still alive in this scenario.
@@stevenchoza6391 Good Point I had forgotten that was the premise for why Batu was able to continue his invasion.
However Batu is still running out of trained Mongol warriors and if he pulls them from further East he is weakening his hold on these other parts of his empire. The problem with ruling by fear is if you have no one around to enforce it people tend to rebel. Historically the Cumans did revolt and it took Batu a year to personally put it down. Plus the arrival of the Northern Kingdoms to aid the HRE will firm up resistance despite Louis' death. The problem will be how committed the French now will be to continue the Crusade. And there is still Frederick II to deal with in Italy if they bother. They could simply let him take central Italy and focus on Batu in Northern Italy. We will have to wait and see.
This is awesome and terrifying, I love this series! Thank you Kings and Generals/Wizards and Warriors for this
Thank you for supporting us!
Yes it finally came out part 3, I mean this is such a good quality video keep it up and i keep wanting the Crusaders to win.
These are so well done. Never stop!
Thank you!
@@georgekolev6247 no, thank you!
awesome video looking forward to the next one
Thank you so much!
@@georgekolev6247 it’s my pleasure, and also shadow to Malay archer as well
Alt. title : What if Ögedei Khan wasn't alcoholic
Indeed
Actually the mongols retreated because they took too many casualties in Europe and not because of Khan dead. Also the terrain was becoming Less and less favorable.
What if the mamluks didn't exist.
Yes! Love this series. Need more!
outstanding. I love this stuff.
Love this series! Great stuff guys!
Thank you so much!
I did not expect this complete reversal. This is somehow an even bigger cliffhanger than the last.
In honor of Subutai, glory to the Tengri and the algorithm!
In an effort to prevent the hype train from derailing I can tell you while the next episode is still amazing it won't feature a battle as long and as detailed as.... oh nevermind it does :D
This is gorgeous! Great job!
Thank you very much!
Amazing 👏🏻 10/10, I am blown away by how fantastic this video is, keep up the great work 🙌🏻
Thank you SO much!
Good old St. Louis! Thanks from Missouri.
Solid work as usual, though you seemed to have dumbed down the Mongols in this episode a bit too much. It was very unlikely that Subutai would've gambled an all or nothing fight when the situation became unfavorable for him. The Mongols would've taken some losses and have to abandon most of the trebutchets, but would've still retreated with the bulk of their men. Staying and fighting a losing battle is just completely out of character for Subutai. Also, having Kadan and Berke go full "Leroy Jenkins".... yeah.....
It would be incredibly hard to predict the quality and quantity of the Scandinavian force. A lot of people look to England waiting for it to pull off a miracle, while forgetting that this was Norway at its best form, arguably EVER.
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@@georgekolev6247 I can plausibly buy the Scandinavians coming in at the right time to save Lubec, but having the Mongols go full braindead and commit to pointless battles / traps that could've been largely avoided repeatedly is starting to get ridicullous. It wasn't like they were in Orda's position of being stuck from the beginning and having to make the most of what he's got. Unless you're planning on building up Batu as some "secret genius" end boss, which is doubtful both based on the historiographical person himself as well as in this alt history scenario.
@@YuuSHiiiN You ignore the numerous successes the Mongols had in the many battles/sieges not described here (otherwise it would be a 20 part series). Furthermore the European trebuchets are not just a small improvement on the tension catapults the Mongols used, they are on a whole different level. For Subotai to hold his ground and protect this incredible advantage, which he needed to take the cities he was informed of being strong is not a bad idea. You may just be looked at Lubeck, but this brilliant general was looking at the whole campaign.
You had cities like Cologne, Mainz, Frankfurt, Reims, Paris. How would you expect them to fall without the right siege equipment?
As far as Fulda goes I don't see them commiting a major mistake. It is a lot more about their opponent making all the right moves and preparing in the right place at the right time. The Fulda Gap really is the best place to strike at the heart of Germany, acting a bit like the Persion Hot Gates, but instead of 300 Spartans there were thousands of crusaders, including the best cavalry Europe had to offer.
Lubeck almost fell and Fulda was a near disaster despite all the advantages and traps. If you think this series is one sided you are not paying attention. Either way there are 2 more episodes to go where anything can happen, especially since the most powerful state in Europe is now leaderless.
@@georgekolev6247I see your point, but ultimately, trebuchets can be replaced, especially because in this scenario Subotai's Chinese engineers had reproduced the design, but that probably would have taken weeks or months that the Mongols didn't really have. Ultimately, we can never really know, though your interpretation is compelling.
As for Berke, his behavior made full sense to me, especially considering that Mongol commanders and princes tended to take the deaths of their kin fairly poorly.
God, you do not know the amount of joy I felt when you posted this. You should do more alt hist collabing with good youtubers like fromnothing, aztlanhistorian, veritas et caritas and hometeamhistory to do the research if you can't just hire professional historians. Like an Ashanti modernizing one would be great.
Anyways, thanks again for this.
Thank you so much for your comment and recommendations!