Corey is not willing to see that as long as they are believing, hearing, and following Him they are His sheep. But if they stop believing, hearing, and following they no longer qualify as His sheep. That's what a sheep is. But it is by choice for anyone who is willing.
@@fuvjvjchxhc7063 Or you can be unrepentant about sin in your life and still expect to go to heaven. Here's what one must do to be saved according to scripture. *TO BE SAVED:* We must be willing to: 1. *Believe* (Mark 16:15-16; Acts 16:31). 2. *Repent of sin* (Luke 13:3, 24:47). 3. *Confess faith in Jesus Christ* (Mat. 10:32-33; Acts 8:37; Rom. 10:9-10). 4. *Be Baptized* (immersed in water) for the forgiveness of our sins -(Mark 16:15-16; Acts 2:38; Acts 22:16). 5. *THEN* remain faithful in Christ (John 15:1-7; 1 Cor. 9:24-27; 2 Tim 4:7-8; Jas 1:12; 1 Pet 5:4; Rev. 2:10).
Amen! the Apostle Peter say the following: For after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 2Peter. 2:20. KJV. If what Peter said is true than there is no once saved always saved!
You are 100% correct. Apostle Paul did not know what a double indicative is which is a construct of the Roman Catholic church in the 4th century called the Codex Sinaiticus which the Apostle Paul would not recognize.
@@sacredlux6099 *TO BE SAVED:* _We must be willing to:_ 1. *Believe* (Mark 16:15-16; Acts 16:31). 2. *Repent of sin* (Luke 13:3, 24:47). 3. *Confess faith in Jesus Christ* (Mat. 10:32-33; Acts 8:37; Rom. 10:9-10). 4. *And be Baptized* (immersed in water) for the forgiveness of our sins -(Mark 16:15-16; Acts 2:38; Acts 22:16). 5. *THEN* remain faithful in Christ (John 15:1-7; 1 Cor. 9:24-27; 2 Tim 4:7-8; Jas 1:12; 1 Pet 5:4; Rev. 2:10).
@1:07:55 i like how Voddie Bauchem answers that question "you mean a Christian can just do what they want to after they're saved". Voddie, "Yes (dramatic pause), because God has changed that person's "wants". Now the believer WANTS to please God, WANTS to stop sinning".
Hebrews 10: 26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
That was referring to Jews that became Christians that wanted to go back to sacrificing animals as payment for their sins. Has nothing to do with people sinning because no one is sinless
@@gregory7320 You just mentioned that the Jews to who you say this text applies, had become Christian. If they could turn from the faith and face such severity, what makes you think a Gentile couldn't?
@@Heb101922 like I said that text was referring to Jews who became Christians but wanted to go back to their old tradition I'll link you a video about it if you want
@@Heb101922This is why Paul and Peter took issue... Peter would remove himself from Gentiles when Jews came on the scene out of fear of what they'd think. Jews kept trying to get Jewish believers in Christ to go back under the Law. And to sacrifice animals. There remains no more sacrifice for sin because Christ paid the ultimate sacrifice. The blood of goats and bulls does not save. He is letting them know that within the context of that scripture... And Paul did directly approach and correct his brother.
Lean on the Holy Spirit, if understanding Greek and Hebrew is the only way to unlock scriptural understanding, then we have a problem. You cannot study the bible in original textual meanings and isolation and come to the right conclusion. Being born again means we get into a relationship with the Holy Spirit who is the one who guides and leads us into truth. You don't need to study Greek or Hebrew to understand John 10:28, if you read the verse before it, you will understand what it means. John 10:28 is not the beginning of Jesus' expression, verse 27 is and he is simply saying, "No one will snatch any sheep that is following me out of my hands". Also, I am not exactly sure of the intention of this 'once saved always saved' doctrine. If it is to assure the believer that their salvation is real, and guilt and shame have no place in their lives, even when they stumble while they are working out their salvation, maybe I get it. But if it means that someone would come to Christ for salvation and then walk out the door, serve themselves and the devil throughout their life, and somehow expect to spend eternity with God, then people need to return to their bibles, turn it right side up and read again. We spend so much time on everything else but understanding the scripture in order to grow as a child of God, just my two cents...
Those are not the only places where you were "wrong". Dr. Michael Brown DID show you in SEVERAL places and SEVERAL times! But you "refused" to see and accept it.
“Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.” 1 John 2:18-19 ESV
No body denies that some of those who leave the faith were false Christians, but not ALL who leave the faith were false Christians. That’s just unbiblical.
Sir, I don't know why you even have these debates if you have already made up your mind on these topics. I see no fruit being produced of any sort through these "debates" other than you simply always saying you are right and its final, with all due respect. I don't understand how the Body is even being edified through your debates, and if I can be totally honest, I don't even feel the Holy Spirit behind these discussions/ videos.
The term "lose your salvation" should be scraped. many who would be labeled as holding to the belief that you can lose your salvation actually don't hold to that, they hold to the belief that you can willingly forsake your salvation by renouncing it and willingly waking away.
If that's the case, then why would the Apostle Peter say the following: For after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 2Peter. 2:20. KJV. If what Peter said is true than there is no once saved always saved!
There's never a contradiction in the Bible. When there appears to be a contradiction, we can be sure that it's either a mistranslation or a misinterpretation (taken out of proper context), or both. The Bible is a cohesive, unit. There are never any contradictions in any part of the Bible whether Old or New Testament. There may be some paradoxes, but never contradictions.
So, if your argument is completely hinged of the enfatic nature off a particular wording, it would be important to acknowledge that enfatic language is often associated with hyperbole and other literary devices. This is not uncommon. we do it all the time, and Jesus uses it all the time. Also, it would not matter how enfatic the language being used is if what Doctor Brown is saying is true. Dr. Brown is suggesting that the merit between these verses that appear to contradict is that the verses that suggest eternal security are contingent on you using your free will to harken onto God and remain faithful. If you want to have a conversation about predestination, total depravity, and limited attonment, then those are separate issues. Also, it's hilarious that you say he wants to run all over scripture and even try to build an argument based on having limited access to scripture. You don't build theology from any particular text but from the entire word of God. This is how cults are formed. Also, no one text, no matter how enfatic, can be used to convey something like this because everything has caveats. What Doctor Brown is saying is when it calls you a sheep it is already implied that this is contingent on if you are infact a sheep and if you infact hear and obey etc and that is continual as in as long as you remain in the fold. It's not rocket science. Sometimes, smart people can outsmart themselves. God had revealed the knowledge to those who are like babes. Also, when you say God has never trusted us with anything you are undermining free will and have nullified the whomsoever believes passage. Beliefs and faith are not works but produces works as a byproduct.
Yessssss!!! Exactly! I wish we would humble ourselves and be more concerned about what's true, rather than looking like we're right, even when we're not. Better to receive sound instruction, correction, make the adjustments and move forward in love, than to keep pushing a stance that is not based in the whole Truth. Much respect.
@@nicolebrooks2876I agree...if you're wrong you're wrong. I feel like the collosians and Hebrews examples were clear tiems during the debate when Corey was found to be wrong and didn't have an answer.
Once saved always saved! That is ONLY if you did not believe in vain the 1st time. the Bible does say that one can believe in vain. Sometimes they don't have the right understanding of the gospel. If one is truly saved then they are SEALED with the spirit of promise until the day of redemption and NOTHING can pluck us out of His hand! The Bible calls us His purchase possession! 🙏🏼🙌🏼
@@fuvjvjchxhc7063 1 John 3:9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. If you are saved stop asking man ask your savior
Amen and I am guilty of this. For someone reason I know the gospel but still my mind and heart didn't understand it. My faith was not their, so for me accepting the gospel or Christ was all in vain Only when the holy spirit came I understood
@@fuvjvjchxhc7063 absolutely you Can sin again. The difference of a saved and an unsaved person is that if you are saved you will immediately repent (and you would not want to sin anymore). Lord is faithful in forgiving us if we humble ourselves and repent of our sins. Paul struggled with sin too.
There is a very simple problem with the dogma of “once saved, always saved.” That problem is that it is just not biblical! The truth is, the dogma of “once saved, always saved” is part of the doctrines and commandments of men. Consider Matthew 15:1-20; Mark 7:1-23 → Galatians 1:6-20 and II John 1:7-11!
There are many people in the bible who turned away from God. 2 Peter 2:21-22 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteous the than after had known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them, verse 22 like a dog returning to his own vomit. NOTE: there was a time this person was saved.
Corey in the last 3yrs I have multiple friends that have walked away from following Christ and a couple by Gods grace have returned… But I have Pastor friends who done the same. The basic principles of relationship is to keep communicating. But we see divorces all around us.
Hey friend in the gospel John, (don’t remember which verse) it say some sheep hear my voice and follow me and I give to them eternal life and they will never perish, a true sheep of Jesus will hear his voice and follow him, the fact that they returned is evidence of that and a season away from God does not mean they lost their salvation, as for the people that didn’t return, they are either gonna return if they were actually saved or they were a false convert, yes it possible to believe in vain and Jesus describes people in Matthew 7 who clearly believed that they were saved but actually didn’t know him. So yes it’s possible to walk away for a time and come back because you are a sheep of Jesus and it also possible for a false convert to leave, evidence of their false conversion. See for yourself but I believe eternal security is biblical although I’m not 100% sure
@@platonbelyalov8267 That’s Calvinism. This theology came about in the 1500s. The Church for the first 1500 years never taught this. Are you saying the Church was deceived for the first 1500 yrs? Also it’s unbiblical, What about Demas? 2Tim 4:10 for Demas, because he loved this world, has deserted me and has gone to Thessalonica. Crescens has gone to Galatia, and Titus to Dalmatia. Also what about Saul who had the HolySpirit and prophesied? 1Sam 16:14 But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and a distressing spirit from the Lord troubled him. 15 And Saul’s servants said to him, “Surely, a distressing spirit from God is troubling you. Also Paul warns all saints. Col 1:22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation- 23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.
@@platonbelyalov8267 Rom 8:9You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.
I watched the debate a few days ago. (1) Corey was wrong in his position on the topic AND he LOST the debate. That's why he's "never doing another debate." (2) The format, structure and rules of the debate were clear and made perfect sense, and had no bearing on one's debating experience. The rules of the debate support the objectives: to inform and persuade in a public and competitive forum, so that the AUDIENCE can judge. (3) John 10:26-28 uses the analogy of sheep. Sheep do get lost--even though majority will be safe. Jesus promises eternal life to those sheep who qualify according to verse 27 (hear, are endorsed by the shepherd, and follow through on their commitment to the shepherd). Then 28 promises eternal life to those people. Context drives the meaning of words. This is how we recognize the use of sarcasm--when the exact opposite of what is meant is said. Words must never be divorced from context. Jesus' statement in verse 26 is clear from the context (v.25). A paraphrase of what Jesus was saying would sound like this: "I have told you that I'm the Messiah but you don't believe because you choose not to. That's a problem for you because only those who believe can ever be my sheep and ultimately gain eternal life."
"Intestinally speaking, my trichomoniasis, pardon me, my telepathical abilities, has under-girded my colon and flatulated my thesis. Therefore my scrotum remains operculated.
A couple of things here. 1. You basically are saying that if we don't know greek then we can not understand truly what they are trying to say. ( which in turns means, we can't be saved unless we know greek or our pastor knows greek in order for us to get the true meaning of what's being said. ( think about that) Which then goes against scripture because on the day of Pentecost every language was there. SO they heard them praise God in their native tongues( meaning they heard perfectly in their language to understand it. 2. The problem lies in how one see what salvation is. No need to go to greek to understand. Who jesus considers saved is not who many christians today considered saved. Christians have distorted the whole thing from the beginning and now can't see what is made up false doctrine or what is sound doctrine. 3. Many think they are saved but are not. I have notice that these are the main ones who stick to you can not loose salvation, like a comfort of them doing whatever they want but in the end they will say, Once saved always saved. 4.Throughout juesus ministry he lets people know you claiming to be saved but I never knew you. 5. So the question should be...WHy are so many thinking that they are saved and are not? '
Just a couple observations. 1. Many people who oppose OSAS do not really understand what these people are saying. They accuse us of rejecting holiness, obedience, faithfulness, ect. That's not at all the case. Some of the strongest believers in OSAS have been among the most holy and faithful Christians I have ever known. We have been sorely misrepresented in what we believe. 2. Those that believe we can lose our salvation never really CLEARY define at what point that occurs. What's the magic number? How many sins ? How much disobedience? How long must one be in a backsliding condition ? Are we saved one day then lost the next?
No you are not saved one day and lost the next. I personally have known many people over the many decades that walked away from the faith and from Christ and as Paul said have made their faith shipwrecked. Read, 1 Timothy 1:19-20.
If that's the case, then why would the Apostle Peter say the following: For after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 2Peter. 2:20. KJV. If what Peter said is true than there is no once saved always saved!
@steve-o the point at which you are no longer saved is not based on how many sins...but is marked by the point in which you no longer believe. Sin is the driving factor that will harden the heart to a place of unbelief...but nothing can separate from Christ is we remain in faith. Jesus is clear...just abide.
Why did Jesus say that the door was locked to the 5 virgin brides who were not prepared for the coming of the bridegroom by having oil for their lamps in Matthew 5? In order to be a bride you have to be part of his church and the door was lock and they weren’t allowed to enter the wedding celebration because they weren’t prepared. What would cause you not to be prepared? Sin, disobedience and lack of faith in Jesus.
Bro. Corey, I think a lesson on the parable of the wheat and tares would help to illustrate who are and who are not “sheep” specifically how the wheat and tares grow together
@@contendingforthefaith9897 so you can have eternal life then not have eternal life then you get it back again? Sounds like you have a pretty puny and powerless god there. My God is all powerful and sovereign.
@@AfricanSheep OSAS , isn't a one-sided argument. Man has absolute freewill to do what he chooses. Luke 15 :11-32, show us you loose your salvation if you walk away from God.
@@contendingforthefaith9897 Why do you think Luke 15:11-32 is about eternal security? I don't believe that was even a point Jesus was making. Looking at the context of Luke 15, all three parables (the lost sheep, the lost coin, the lost son) were answering the need of the “sinners” that he was speaking to as well as the grumblings of the Pharisees. Look at how the chapter starts: Luke 15:1 “Now the tax collectors and “sinners” were all gathering around to hear him. But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law muttered, “This man welcomes sinners and eats with them.” Then Jesus told them this parable…” All three parables that he spoke were to show the joy that Heaven has when a sinner returns to God as well as speaking to the pride of the Pharisees. None of them were addressing the issue of eternal security or whether the son was “saved” before he left home or whether the son was “saved” when he was out in the world spending his inheritance. Jesus was speaking directly to the “sinners” in his midst to show the wonder and joy in Heaven when a sinner returns to God. He wasn’t addressing whether these “sinners” were saved previously or now. He was also speaking to the Pharisees to show them the error in their proud, hard, ‘holier than thou’ attitude towards these “sinners” as pictured by the attitude of other son who didn’t leave home. So to try prove a point against eternal security based on the fact that the son was called “lost”, or “dead” is missing the point in my view. Even if you did go down that track you could easily argue that while the father called his son lost and dead, that was only as he perceived it to be because he didn’t know where his son was. The same cannot be said of God the Father. The actual fact was that the son wasn’t dead even though the father thought he was. But again, this is missing the point of the parable. Jesus was speaking to “sinners” who needed to know that though they were living in sin and were not right with God, God’s arms were waiting to receive them with joy just as the Father ran out to meet and accept his son that returned. As someone who does believe in eternal security, is that a true born again believer, like the prodigal, will return home even if they do go back into the world for a season. I believe this to be true because I know that Jesus has promised to lose none of those that the Father gives him and I believe that to leave the faith and not return proves that they were never a truly born again believer to begin with (1 John 2:19).
Mr. Corey all I can say to you brother is Amen. I see exactly what you're getting at. I'm not a Greek speaker or understand Greek, I'm just a person who knows how to just speak English, all I know is that I put my trust in God and Christ and let them deal with me as the way They see fit. I'm not a perfect Christians , i just believe that God and Christ know what to do in order to bring me to them.
John 14:15-31 King James Version ""15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.""
Bro. Corey, there is a difference between knowledge and wisdom. Those with all those letters after their birth name seems to think that the letters will automatically make one more privileged when it comes to the Word of God and expects one to just believe what they are saying. You are a great defender of the Word of God, keep going!!
Letters behind your name don’t matter but the truth of Gods word does and Dr Brown provided many scripture that stated Gods stand on once saved always saved and that it is false. How can once saved always saved be possible. So at one point in your life you accept Jesus as your savior and then after that you can live anyway you want, sin rules and reigns in your life but your are still spending eternity with him? Read Matt. 13, the parable of the sower and Jesus explaining the parable to His disciples. This is a parable of salvation, receiving Gods word on entering His kingdom. The only way to enter His kingdom is thru your faith in Jesus. The first one says that the seed fell on stony ground, that person accepts the word with joy but they have no roots and they immediately fall away. They abandon the One who is the source of salvation ( this is in the AMP verse 21). The other seed falls on thorns, so they hear the word but because of distractions, worries, and deceitful riches (pleasures and delights of this world), this chokes the word and it yields no fruit. Now we know what happen to the fig tree that yielded no fruit. Jesus cursed it and caused it to die. That tells us that fruitlessness brings judgement. In order to justify his stand Corey Minor believes that a person was nEver saved if they continues to sin. They were not sincere in their belief. But how does he know a man’s heart. We maybe able to see their fruit but we don’t know their hearts. So how can he judge it. John 3:16 says that whoever believe in Jesus shall not perish but have eternal life. We all know that it is possible for someone to believe something and change their minds about that belief. This is described in the parable of the sower above. If you continue to walk in the flesh and not in the spirit it is very possible to sin and to continue to sin even after believing in Jesus and receiving the Holy Spirit because we have to choose to die daily to the flesh. I know myself. I was not completely transformed when I accepted Jesus. I was walking in the flesh and sinning so based on what Mr. Minor is saying I really wasn’t saved. But I had to make the choice as I grew in the Lord to try to die daily to my flesh. I haven’t always been successful in that but I still am trying and I’m believing that the Lord is going to accomplish all that the word promises in me. But everyone for whatever reason are not able to or choose to walk away from the Lord just as the lost sheep does in in Luke 15:3-7. So my prayer is that all who believe this once saved always saved would no longer be blind and death to the word of God on this issue. That their hearts would no longer be harden in this regard. Because you are believing and spreading a falsehood that could jeopardize the salvation of many. It can cause some to believe that Gods grace is not sufficient to cover them even in their sin and that it could cause others to continue in their sin because once saved always saved.
_Smart Christians_ have been writing about this and other topics for close to two thousand years. Some of these people not only were fluent in the language of The Scriptures, but also lived in the culture where The Scriptures were written. With all due respect to you and Dr. Brown, your understanding of the original texts will always be flawed. Instead of trying to tease the meaning out of the original texts, look at what the Church Fathers and others have written over the years, this will not have the same authority as Scripture, but can provide insight you as 21st Century man will not have. We are able to reach higher by standing on the shoulders of those who have come before.
I wonder if Corey pays any attention to the historical context of theses writing? Jesus' claim of being the sheppard of the sheep was him claiming divinity more than it is about soteriology. Jesus is appealing to OT passages like Ps23 and Ps 100:3. Therefore it is not a soteriological issue in that passage of John. It is one of Christology
When Jesus said it is finished He is referring to redemption that has been objectively supplied. Not salvation which subjectively received. The two are not the same thing. Respectfully
@@jtbtdlkt2012 Lol, look at you trying to be sneaky with the redundant “autonomous” before free will. Easy request to show free will in the Bible nonetheless. 1 corinthians 7: 37 But the one who stands firm in his heart, if he is not under constraint, *but has authority over his own will, and has decided this in his own heart,* to keep his own virgin, he will do well.
Brother Corey stop doing debates… just teach the Word of God, because none of this is advantageous to believers, especially new born again believers, because it brings them confusion and their more reluctant to doubt the Word of God..just saying … I love your channel and your thoroughness with Bible, best regards your Sis in Christ…Sister Trevor… yes I’m a lady, just got a guys name at birth.. been with me 54 years, it’s ok.. JESUS IS LORD…👩🏻🦱🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
@CH-ud4ee he did lose the debate because he did not follow debate format. But he was right. That's the main point. Dr. Brown mis interprets things by making assumptions. Dr. Brown is not a scholar, nor does he have a good grasp of hebrew or Greek. language
I don’t see what the big deal is anyway on this topic. If you’re a Christian, shouldn’t you be living a godly lifestyle anyway. If you’re living in sin and you call yourself a Christian, shouldn’t you be checking yourself and changing the way you live. If you call yourself a Christian and you choose to live in sin, then you’re not a Christian..Simple, right?
This has been a hotly debated topic in Christianity. Both sides cite biblical passages to support their views and each side attacks the other's interpretation of the other’s proof texts. For example, one of the important texts for eternal security, or "once saved always saved", is from John 10. 27“My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. There is, however, an assumption in this verse which is that the sheep are listening to Jesus’ voice and following him. If they stop doing that, they are no longer his sheep. No one can take them out of his hand, true, but they can take themselves out of his hand. The Bible as a whole shows this to be true. I will provide a few of the many passages which support this view, while highlighting key words from the NASB. Salvation is contingent upon continued obedience and perseverance in the faith. Luke 9 62 But Jesus said to him, “No one, after putting his hand to the plow and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.” John 8 31 So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; Mt 7 22-23 “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS. Mark 13:13 And you will be hated by everyone because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved. Ro 11 20-21 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 1 Cor 9 27 but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified. Gal 5 19-21 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, 21envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Hebrews 10:26-29 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 2 PETER 2:20-21 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them. Rev 3 5 ‘He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels. The Bible does not promise anyone eternal security. It promises eternal life to those who maintain their faith in Jesus Christ and follow him in obedience until the end. "Once saved always saved" is one of the most pernicious heresies that exists because it lulls people into a false sense of security, and helps them justify continuing to engage in willful sinful behavior, which the Bible strongly admonishes against.
We need to rightly divide the word of truth to understand = 2Timothy 2:15 Examples = (2 different gospels) [1] In (the gospel of Christ), Apostle Paul says that (Today) is the day of salvation =2CORINTHIANS 6:2. You are saved by believing in Jesus, death, burial and resurrection =1CORINTHIANS 15:1-4. This gospel (has) went out to all the world and we are bearing the fruit of it = Colossians 1:5,6,23 *In (this gospel of Christ), God the Father in Christ (has) forgiven you = Ephesians 4:32 [2] In (the gospel of the kingdom of heaven approaches) = Matthew 4:17. Israel must endure unto the end to be saved = Matthew 10:22/Matthew 24:13. This gospel (will) be preached in all the world and then the end will come = Matthew 24:14. This gospel will continue in the future. *In (this gospel of the kingdom of heaven approaches), the Father (will not) forgive your trespasses =Matthew 6:15 The gospel of Christ is in 1Cor 15:1-4. (This gospel was a mystery) =Ephesians 6:19/Romans 16:25,26 Before Jesus death, Jesus and the 12 apostles were (not) preaching the gospel of Christ in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. They were preaching the gospel of the kingdom of heaven approaches exclusively only to Israel. Not even Satan and his angels know about the gospel of Christ before Jesus death = 1Cor 2:8 In Galatians 1:7,8 the gospel of the Kingdom of heaven approaches is not in view here, it's not our message to the lost souls today. The gospel of Christ, was a Mystery = Romans 16:25,26/Ephesians 6:19
@@fernandodeleon4115 ultimately we will all find out the truth on the other side and we will be judged May our Father in Heaven in the name of Jesus be with you!
@@fernandodeleon4115 another thing that's not a mystery is that Jesus said more than 80 times in the New Testament that he is the son of man knowing and have for telling that he would be called God he has a relationship with his father and said that his father is our father and that we are his brothers and sisters! He is not a mystery without Jesus we do not know God very clear not a mystery!
Hebrews 3:12-13. Beware brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; but extort one another daily while it is called Today lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Cory, blessings man. As you have mentioned, this is a mainstay among charismatics right now (it’s 7/28/2024 today) and I had to break away from ending a series Romans address eternal security and Philippians 2:12 (work out your own salvation). A charismatic “preacher” had basically attacked one of our members with the thought that believers could lose their salvation and be restored by “working out their own salvation”.
I love you Corey but please move on. Dr brown at this point is living rent free in your head. Seems like your trying to bait him into making a video about you. Starting to see you don’t like being wrong
@Corey… thank you for the video. love it. I did listening to the debate also…from what i understand from Dr.Brown is regarding John 10…If we are the sheep, we should hear the Shepherd voice… For me Jesus voice is The Word, so if i declare i know His Word shouldn’t i follow His Word? If i don’t listen and obey His word, maybe He is not our Shepherd?
It seems like God ultimately wants friendship with his creation. science has clarified the definition of a quality relationship. It has to have these minimum three things: It’s a stable, longstanding bond; it’s positive; and it’s cooperative-it’s helpful, reciprocal, I’m there for you, you’re there for me. Abraham was God's friend. The apostles were Jesus' friends.
Some people think free will allows a person to “walk away” from their salvation. Those people don’t really understand salvation. If someone is truly saved, then the Holy Spirit moves in and seals that person forever. How can a true believer be unsealed?
Where does it say that we are sealed by the Holy Spirit and we can never walk away from the Lord.? It says that we are sealed with the promise of the Holy Spirit (Eph. 1:13). but it doesn’t say that it is impossible to walk away from God after we receive Him.
very true, but the question is, who has the holy ghost!! Many think they have it when they do not. False doctrines on salvation has confused many. The holy ghost seals those who are really his, but many who think that they are his are not, and on the last days he will say that he never knew them. Matthew 7:21“Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. 22 On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ 23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’.........................................what religion prophesy in Jesus name? which religion professes to cast out demons in Jesus name? which religion claims to do miracles in his name?..Which religion teaches the people that they do not have to obey his laws? CHRISTIANITY!.... he will say depart from me you who break God's laws.... these people were never saved. They have made a whole religion and doctrines off 1 or 2 misinterpreted verses. It is truly sad
Cory how do you address in Revelation when it speaks of names being blotted out the book? Is this the scripture that is causing people to think that once saved not always saved?
Your name can ONLY be blotted out of the book of life when you die having never becoming a believer in the Christ. You have to remember, the book of life was written BEFORE the foundations of the earth were formed, and Everyone who was born of Adam and Eve bloodline had their names written in the book because God loved the WHOLE world that he gave his only begotten son. When you DON'T accept the gospel and die, you can no longer accept the gospel of Christ as true. Now... There are TWO groups of people or beings who were alive who's NEVER had their names in the book at all. They were the abominations who were the children of angels birthed through women mentioned in Genesis 6:4, and those who marveled after the beast in Revelation 17:8 who accepted the beast's mark and were also abominations.
@@nicolebrooks2876 Revelation 13:8 shows clearly that everyone's names were written in the book of life before the beginning of time ( before the foundation of the earth), so that can ONLY mean that ALL our names are pre recorded, us being believers or not. There's NO passages that say that our names were written any time AFTER the beginning of time, but only that some names are blotted out after the beginning of time. As I mentioned before, abominable beings don't belong on the book of life. That includes Nephelim, and the marked during the tribulation period.
Once Saved Always Saved is kind of a pointless debate. The Christian SHOULD trust in Jesus for salvation. That same Christian SHOULD pursue a holy life and willingly try to sin less.
Thank you for fighting for this. If once saved always saved isn’t true. Then there isn’t a point in believing at all. I can’t keep my salvation without Christ holding fast to it. He is guarding it! I would be without hope. In the past even the thought has had me hopeless and lost. Thank you!
Amen. The truth of the matter is, if we relied on ourselves to remain justified before God, none of us would be because we in our flesh are too weak to do so.
@@johnhudson504 yep for those that have faith. Faith and salvation is a God gift to us Amen! But that doesn't mean on cannot reject the gift of salvation as Hebrews 6:4-8
Brother Corey. Revelation 3 verses 1 to 3. Is Jesus talking to his sheep in these verses? Are the people in verses 1 to 3 at risk of having their names blotted out of the book of life (ie. does your double negation apply to these people)? If their names were written in the book of life, does that mean they were at one point saved, specifically when they initially received and heard (verse 3)? If they aren't sheep and there's no possibility of them being saved, would it be reasonable to say that it's pointless for Jesus to warn them to remember what they originally heard (presumably the gospel) and repent ?
Corey, besides the verses in John’s gospel, the best scripture for OSAS is Jer. 32:40. It specifically states that those in the New Covenant will not apsotatize. Dr. Brown, like many others, don’t realize they are advocating a works based salvation. “If” you do such and such until you die, then you will be saved. Instead of God fulfilling “His work” in us by His Spirit, until the day of redemption. God predestinated His elect, calls them, justifies them, and glorifies them. It is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes. Otherwise, the glory would go to us for “hanging” in there.
I believe we can have eternal security, but not in this life, if we’re found without sin when we die then we will have eternal security, but in this life currently we don’t lose our salvation, but we CAN walk away from our salvation.
Scripture says some will depart from the faith, that is clear enough not once saved always saved. It is our choice if we endure till the end, death judgement our resurrection when Christ returns..
@@fernandodeleon4115 Paul taught the Gospel of the kingdom of God same as Christ no different gospel....Paul said if anyone bring another gospel let them be accursed...imagine that and you say two different gospels......
@@fernandodeleon4115 the death burial and resurrection is not the complete gospel, that is only part of the gospel. That is the problem many think as long as they simply believe in death burial and resurrected of Christ then that is all there is to it. Everyone will face judgement our resurrection when Christ returns that is also part of the gospel and the whole point of Christ resurrection so we can also be resurrected. But in our own order, Christ the firstfruits afterwards those who are Christ at his coming.....
Dr. Brown is one of the best Christian debaters today but OSAS is simply God's sovereignty which we can't touch with a 10 foot pole. There's the here and now, and then there's what God has decreed to take place. I will be doing my own video critique of Dr. Brown's presentation soon. God bless!
Matthew 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Kinda off topic but saw in the live chat someone say, nobody has gone to Heaven. We know Enoch and Elijah were both taken without death... But where are all these Saints now? Did they die again or were they raised glorified and taken to Heaven? Anywho, good live today thank you so much Corey
@@ravensparks4644Well the word "appear" is interesting... It's like they just appeared... They weren't hanging out they just appeared. I don't know but I think He took them to Heaven. And Lazarus... Did he die twice? 🤔😂 So many questions. Lol
Ridiculous thinking NOONE is in heaven. We LITERALLY get a picture of heaven in Revelation chapter 6. 9) When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10) They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” 11) Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters,[e] were killed just as they had been. Christ hasn't returned yet, at this point in Revelation.......AND I find it hard to believe that "the alter of God" isn't in heaven. THAT is definitively where all of those souls that are crying out, are. Thinking "noone is in heaven" is a perfect example" of cherry picking scripture to line up with whatever dogma your denomination happens to tout. There are 3 "Solas", Solo Gratia, Sola Fide, Sola Scriptura, AND One "Tota".........TOTA Scriptura. That means "ALL OF IT", If a person happens to think that a scripture says something, according to what their tradition tells them, BUT that interpretation happens to directly contradict other scripture, its YOU who has it wrong, NOT scripture. There are MULTIPLE places that indicate we are with Christ after we die. To think we aren't is to disregard this. Yeshua(Jesus)/YHWH bless you and your family sister. AMEN & Shalom
@@archam777 some what disagree, not entirely though. Those in Revelation 4 are elders ... I believe these are OT Saints and the number 24 represents the Apostles and the tribes/Prophets... They are in White raiment which I take to mean glorified .. in chapter 5 we see angels numbered by the thousands and thousands and 10 thousand times 10 thousand... I believer this is the raptured church ... Those in chapter 7 are beneath the alter and handed white robes. Told to rest a little while longer. When Christ died on the cross the veil was torn, we can approach from where we stand. Our Spirit goes to God upon death but those souls in chapter 7 have not been resurrected yet. Just like when Cane killed Abel and God heard his blood cry out to him... I think this is the same scenario... But yes I do believe glorified Saints are currently in Heaven. God bless you!
@@archam777My mistake... I still believe OT Saints are in heaven given the original verse I was asking about but I don't believe Apostles are there just yet
the issue is people don't understand the biblical teaching of salvation. if someone believes in order to be saved you must repent of your sins in order to be saved then they will have this notion that in order to keep their salvation they must do the following things xyz. that is not the biblical method of salvation. the biblical method is placing our trust in him. period.
Acts 2:38. Peter said to his newly belueving audience to REPENT AND BE BAPTISED to have their sins forgiven and to recieeve the Holy Ghost. We must obey the gospel to be saved. Thats how we respond to the grace of God, its the beginning of our putting our trust in Jesus. If we havent yet obryed the gospel , we havent belueved on Jesus according to scripture. God bless you friend!
If you don't believe in OSAS that means that God makes mistakes, I call him the daffodil God, he loves me he loves me not, when you're saved you're saved, you can't get unsaved from salvation
Corey I love ya bruh but, because we have free will, Jesus cannot make us stay with Him if we decide to walk away. But the work IF is a conditional work. People can backslide and fall away from the faith.
@interactingwithjoel spot on. You'd think "free will" were prominently plastered through Scripture with how often people brandish the term; and by "free will" the implication is autonomous free will.
@@Director2024 not at all. Once He (The Holy Spirit) takes up residence within a believer He is the seal guaranteeing their salvation, guaranteeing they are justified.
@@binjoel God gives us free will to serve Him or not, choose Him or not. I have seen people backslide and turn away from the faith. The Bible plainly states, there will be a GREAT falling away. Meaning they had to have been there in the first place. People can start out believing and having faith in Jesus, and then something may happen in their lives that causes them to turn their back on God. God will never leave us been unfortunately we can leave Him. He will not make us serve Him. He gives us choices.
@@Director2024If it is really in them, we will know them by their fruit. Unless we are saying that if someone falls away from the faith, they were never there in the first place🤷🏻♀️
If someone stops believing, wouldn't that be evidence that they never truly believed? 1John 2:19 - "They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us."
If u look at yourself and think u can ever stop believing, check your salvation and simply repent, become a sheep, that CANNOT walk away nor stop being sheep
@@mellosheepesis Repent means change of mind in Greek. Once you understand only confirms you are redeemed. You don't need to be saved to be redeemed, they are no conditions that God entrusted in the flesh.
Dr. Brown beat Corey to the punch about the scriptures in John about the sheep never been lost. That's where Corey was caught off guard, because he uses that as his ace in the whole. He uses the so call rule of that scriptures. Dr. Brown knew that that's why he and others agree that of course Jesus is right in what He's saying, because Jesus just like God cannot, not know. It's we who don't know everyone who is saved or going to be saved. Corey does this debating every week with someone, but Dr. Brown isn't the one to think that he's going to not know scriptures. Yes those who agree with Corey will have his side,and those of us who agree with Dr. Brown has his. My thing is. Dr. Brown is a bad man Corey.
Pastor Corey Minor, I thank God for you and your channel. Please don’t waste your time and energy on people that really don’t want to Understand or admit their errors . Some just want to come and have a debate to prove you are wrong about their teaching…. since you called them out on it…. They will come but they will never say they may have error in their teachings … not publicly at least😃💁🏽♀️ Save your time and energy for those that want to know the truth like myself and other Christians out here. Because no matter what evidence you present to them their made up mind reply will still be: “Not True”😄 #IJS💁🏽♀️ Pastor Corey… Just shake the dust from under your feet …. and keep moving… for your peace…. and keep teaching the truth and exposing those that teach error and lead God’s people astray, Amen! ~🙏🏽❤️
Corey has also made up his mind...for now... possibly change... sure...just like the other side can change. By the way I really like Corey. But liking him does not automatically make me agree with all he says or teaches
@@davesawe5346 Even worse because that is what is going to happen. Once Satan is released for a short while after the thousand year reign of Jesus there will still be enough people who don't like Jesus for the Devil to raise an Army to surround the Holy city. God will send down fire from Heaven to destroy them all.
You forgot that those he will never lose are the ones who continuously in communion with him what if you stop being in communion with him he says don't steal you steal he tells don't commit adultery you commit adultery
Why would a scholar of scripture be worried about what scriptures are brought up? The scripture says to be prepared in season and out of season, correct? So Corey, I hear what you are saying about apologizing, but I feel that Dr. Brown wanted to get advanced notice of scripture when he should already know the scriptures that OSAS advocates references when they make their case for OSAS.
Corey, you should have told Micheal Brown you're charismatic and a friend of Sid Roth. I find it hard to take him seriously while he defends the worse false teachers on the planet.
Once saved always saved is the worst doctrine I have heard so far it gives a feelings that no matter what you do whether you repent or no God has finished saving you nothing he can do about it
@hayeschrist1 Michael Brown supports every false teacher and will not critique them even when they have the most blatant false teaching. Todd Bentley for instance, some people asked about him, and all Brown said was, I don't know, I haven't been there. He did the same with Benny Hinn, he claims ignorance of the person. He is a keeper of the wolves, and should not be listening to or taken seriously. No one has perfect teaching, but a true teacher does not defend the false teachers. There is also a difference in being a false teacher and one who has some things wrong, that do not affect salvation. I gather you're a fan of Brown.
@hayeschrist1 Mature? No, some of us do get sick of the wolves and Christians serious about their faith like Corey, should find someone else to debate.
Jesus did try to make them believe, Corey, but they refused. *Mat **23:37* “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, *but you were not willing!"* *Rom **10:21* But to Israel he says: *“All day long I have stretched out My hands* To a disobedient and contrary people.”
In both Psalms & Revelations it does mention that you can be blotted out of The Book of Life! The only way that can happen is that if you're in there already!!
@@AtTheDockOfTheBayYou speak confusion. Doesn't matter what the Hebrew or Greek say. Since when did the Hebrew and Greek meanings have authority over holy Spirit interpretation? That's like saying there is more that one way to be saved. The holy Spirit reveal truth, that's it. You never gonna win a biblical argument about OSAS, UNLESS YOU ARE ABLE TO SEE THREE SIDES TO IT. STOP EXPLAINING away the truth. YOU CAN KEEP YOUR SALVATION, YOU CAN MOST DEFINITELY LOSE YOUR SALVATION, AND YOU CAN GET YOUR SALVATION BACK. THINK YOU A SMART CHRISTIAN? TRY ME.
@@contendingforthefaith9897you can’t use the holy spirit as a hiding hole for your doctrine the holy spirit gave us the scripture in Greek and Hebrew and we translated them
Corey misses the point completely, sheep follow and hear only Jesus! And in Him is no sin. But Corey says he still sins. There is Corey's contradiction and he can't see it. Its not the scriptures, its him. He is deceiving himself and others.
You misunderstand the difference between sin in the flesh, sin in the spirit.. We are converted INSIDE, not the flesh. 1 John 3:8-9 ask for some insight to these verses and it will be clear to you.
@@kimwestwood8840 Romans 8:8-9, I understand, a person that walks in the flesh cannot please God. Colossians 2:11 tells me the body of flesh has been circumcised. I walk in the spirit not the flesh. There is no excuse for you to keep sinning, you want to. Self control is from the spirit.
@@user-lj8ck9bz3r Better read Romans 7 and what Paul has to say about sins of the flesh. Are you greater than Paul? Also in 1 John 1 , which is written to believers, that if anyone says they are without sin the truth is not in them. What does that tell you? Right there clear as a bell friend.
@kimwestwood8840 I see that you do understand that in the flesh you sin, and in the spirit you don't, right? That is what Paul is saying. But you are trying to serve the spirit and the flesh, just as Paul is explaining, he was miserable, but thanked God for delivering him from this dilemma. Remember Jesus said you can't serve two masters. You have to crucify the flesh. And John is speaking to little children, new converts, so that they don't sin, otherwise later John says in 3:9 that he is born of God cannot sin, John would be contradicting himself. What is wrong with the teaching is using God to defend your sinning when you should be using it to defend not sinning. Good for evil and evil for good?
@@user-lj8ck9bz3r I don't give sinning much thought after 30 years of service to the Lord. ACtually it is in 1 John 3:8-9 you are referring to. THose verses reveal the work of the Holy Spirit INSIDE a new believer, presenting us blameless before God. John is not suggesting Christians completely stop sinning in the flesh. There are sins in our thoughts in a day we may even forget about, our bodies are dying, dead. I am a saint because of what Jesus did, His blood, not because of my abstinence of sin. Discernment comes with study, revelation and maturity. We will have the nature of sin living in the flesh till we die. But for the transformation inside us , we can live to serve God instead of living to serve ourselves ..When Paul says crucifying our flesh that IS NOT literal ...It is transl;ated from the Greek. The word picture is our sins are buried with Jesus, our death ,as we are buried also, and raised INTO eternal life WITH HIM. The only people who defend sinning are sinners.
I'm shocked you'd claim you loathe formal debates not giving you time when you give away half your opening statement time. Even now you don't get the main thrust of the complaint. If you bring up new information in closing you don't give time for the opponent to respond. The whole point of closing remarks is to wrap up and respond to all that's been presented.... And that's where you throw out extra verses. Also, you're so hyper focused on on half of the verse, double negation of the subjunctive your FORGETTING to properly parse Akouousin which is present active indicative. Example, if I say "people who are getting their oil changed regularly (present active indicative) will have a warranty that will last forever and ever AND EVER, and it will never ever EVER be canceled...". If someone told you that you'd be foolish to ignore the part where he points out the whole getting regular oil changes. Why, because someone who doesn't get the oil changed doesn't have a warranty anymore. This verse isn't the smoking gun you think it is for this very reason. You're only looking at the part you're comfortable with.
If someone says, if you follow me I'll give you a drink of water. Dosent that imply that if you don't follow that person you won't get a drink of water? It's simple to understand but your circumventing the truth.
I don't understand when the topic of eternal security comes up, roght along with it people bring up "so you can do whatever you want and still be saved?". Like, did you NOT UNDERSTAND THAT HE DIED FOR YOU? My heart has been changed in a way where i DONT WANT TO sin, but i have indwelling sin in my flesh that i fight so i do. Man, up to me? Id lose my salvation in mere seconds, im not that holy and strong. I need a savior. Thank you God for causing me to walk and act, im not strong enough to on my own.
What is stronger than the blood of Jesus? Nothing! Then is sin stronger than the blood? No! Do we keep on sinning just because there is grace? No! If that is the heart of a individual then I doubt there salvation to begin with. So if there was a true salvation then the Holy Spirit is in that person bringing about a conviction . But to think that a true salvation can be lost is basically saying the blood isn't strong enough!
Obeying is works, Dr Brown. He (and Calvinists) can't separate salvation, which is NOT OF WORKS, from discipleship and sanctification, which do have works that our Father has prepared for us to do, not our own works. If salvation was dependent on our obeying and stopping sin, no one would ever be saved.
@@mytestimonytojesuschrist Hi there thank you for answering, let’s look at this list again and follow it through; 1 Corinthians 6:9-12 (KJV) 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
@@fernandomiranda9736 First off, this is a different list, Paul said no such thing in Galatians. Second, the verse clearly says they were washed, sanctified, which means they were no longer committing those sins. If they went back to those sins, and didn’t repent before death, then they wouldn’t be saved. The very fact that Paul warned them of those sins in the first place, is evidence that one can lose their salvation.
@@mytestimonytojesuschrist The sins of the flesh Paul uses to contrast believers and those dead in trespasses & sins. You must separate positional vs practical truths. Please lets reason together! Thanks! 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 (KJV) 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. He is contrasting : unjust ( Lost ) Believers (Saints) Unbelievers ( Lost ) Brothers ( Believers ) 1 Corinthians 6:1-11 (KJV) 1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? 2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? 4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. 5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren? 6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers. 7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather [suffer yourselves to] be defrauded? 8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that [your] brethren. 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. Ephesians 5:30 (KJV) For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. That He (God The Father ) might be just and the justifier of him (the believer) Romans 3:21-26 (KJV) 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, [I say], at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. That ARE saved 1 Corinthians 1:18 (KJV) For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 2 Corinthians 2:15 (KJV) For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: Should we continue in sin? Romans 6:1-2 (KJV) 1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Romans 4:1-5 (KJV) 1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath [whereof] to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Titus 3:4-7 (KJV) 4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. The judgment seat of Christ is only for believers this is not the great white throne judgment and look at the statement no matter if you build what you build. “He Himself” 1 Corinthians 3:12-15 (KJV) 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
Chose this day whom you will serve. Joshua 24:15. God gave us free will. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t save us but we have to have faith. He doesn’t force faith on us. We grow in faith when we want to grow closer to him and learn more. He doesn’t force the process. You are saved by grace through FAITH, not of works, lest any man boast. Ephesians 2:8-9. Calvinism denies free will and proceeds with the notion God forcing people. God doesn’t force anyone to do anything. It is our choice to be saved or not. That doesn’t mean we save ourselves. Once we r saved we r saved but it is not a ticket to sin because then we weren’t saved to begin with if u go back to our old lifestyle and say we have “faith. That’s dead faith. James 2 talks about that. Repent and trust in Jesus
Apostasy means renouncing faith in a religion or faith. If someone was with Jesus 13 years and died in apostasy in the 14th year, does that mean that they died in salvation? No! Read Hebrews 10 & Hebrews 12. Hebrews 11 shows is how the OT saints had faith. They obeyed God and had faith in future incarnate Jesus until they died.
God sees things before they begin. By His Spirit, why would He redeem someone, if He already knew they would walk away? God wouldn't be faultless if He purposely made a mistake or by unintentional. Now for O.S.A.S., it is just a short explanation of once you have been sealed by the Holy Spirit of God for redemption, it can not be undone, because confusing is not one of God's attributes, it's not in His divine nature.
In my own experience, I backslide yrs ago after my first wife committed adultery. After 7 yrs of doing everything, the string was yanked, and I once again repented and was refilled with the Holy Spirit. Therefore, you can backslide, which means you can walk away from your salvation or, once saved, always saved isn't true. There is scripture that says if you turn one back to the Lord, you've covered a multitude of sins. The fact I've done it means if I hadn't returned to the Lord, I would end up being in the bunch that Jesus would say depart from me. But, I returned to Him after my own 7 yr tribulation.
You are absolutely spot on in your opening about debates. It’s almost as if you’re going to have a formal debate that it be so limited or restricted (even down to a specific text) so that you can actually go into the depth you need to, to build the best overall case. When watching debates on the Trinity, for example, what makes you think you’re going to make the most compelling case with a 15 minute opening statement? Entire books have been written on single verses. And we think our 15 minutes of fame is going to make a dent? It may only scratch the surface! What really should be done, is instead of debating such broad topics, is that we save the debate stage for specific texts. This would allow for people to really build their foundation and really dig heels into the other persons arguments regarding that text. There’s so many points one could bring up regarding the Trinity that it is impossible to make the best case for such a broad topic. Make the best case for the text itself, not necessarily the (quite broad) topic. And the same goes for OSAS. Debate a given text. Only that will allow you to really build the best case, or… rip your opponent’s apart.
I’m following you Cory and what Jesus is saying, but scripture does mention if a sheep goes astray will he (Jesus) leave the 99 for the 1? How would you compare those scriptures where they’re not contradicting? Good teaching by the way
No man! you're right! You cannot lose your salvation because God is not man that he should lie of repent. As in Adam we all died, in Christ we shall all become alive. But only by grace through faith. Not of works lest any man should boast. It is the gift of God. Why do we have problems accepting this fact? Because for man this is impossible for not for God.
None of us are born saved or obedient to Christ. God must change our hearts for us to turn to him. With that being said, how can a new creature in Christ go back to being the former as though it's like a 30 day trail period? Scripture is clear that we can't save ourselves. The Holy Spirit does the good work in us. No one who is truly saved will go back to not being saved..... plus it's not even grammatically correct. If someone saved your life, you can't "unsave" or "undue" what that person did for you..
I believe we can’t lose our salvation BUT…i do believe once we born again, we led and live by Spirit.. we don’t just throw away the grace of God and live to satisfy our flesh. When I pray ‘In Jesus name’ It means that I pray, and believe in His character and power. If i act like a devil, how it can be relevant to the holiness of God? Oh well… i’m not good in explaining😅 One thing i know if we are the children of light, let’s no darkness can be found in us. It’s not like we live day by day in fear that we might lose our salvation, it’s more like live day by day in His grace and mercy and to be transform by His word.
Osas has an aroma similar to the Tulip of calvanism. However osas is 💯 correct as long as it is pieced together with the other side of the discussion properly.
The "Dr.", with all his accomplishments, should not be ill prepared for anything, right??? His already lived experience as an accomplished appologist should have prepared him for just about anything that can be brought up in a debate. So he should have been the bigger person.
As an ex JW i believe a person could loose salvation. Relying on my works for salvation. Being born again helps me distinguish service and salvation. So what did happen when Jesus died on the cross. Was my sin only paid so many times? Or was my sins wash away by his blood completely past present and future? Lets not confuse salvation and service.
The problem is that this scholar, Dr.Brown, does NOT understand biblical principle. You can be an expert in the context of the Scriptures in which most religious scholars are, but if you don’t know the scriptural principle behind it, then the meaning of the words will just soar over your head. Dr. Brown’s biggest problem is that he doesn’t understand that the true biblical definition of Christian believers are the ones that commit themselves to the faith, AKA, God’s Sheep. It’s obvious the ones that do NOT continue in the faith are NOT committed Christians. But that’s just it, there is only ONE definition of God’s Sheep; it does NOT include the ones that are make-believers because if anything, they would be classified as goats. It’s interesting that some breeds of goats look almost identical to sheep. Anyway, there is a such thing as a Christian novice that loses their way, but that WOULD NOT be the biblical definition of God’s Sheep, rightly so, since they WOULD NOT be classified as “committed.” Biblical principle DOES NOT leave room for someone who’s NOT committed and still be considered as a Christian, although, the religious scholar would most likely disagree. SPECIAL NOTE FOR BRO. COREY: Please understand that our Scriptures are NOT designed for intellectual combat. Reason being, our Scritpures DO NOT go in straight-line intellectual pattern as you already know. I’m NOT trying to encourage you as a Christian to back down because Christian apologetics may be necessary depending on the circumstances. But please understand if you place our Scriptures on an academic platform, then you’re in for a “long day.” It’s like presenting biblical principle to someone who’s indoctrinated in another faith or religion, e.g., an Islamic apologist. I’m NOT saying that God won’t bless, but let’s just say you will certainly have more walls to tear down. Lord bless!!!
It is important to know what being saved means. It happens at the resurrection. Until that time we are only saved by faith. Once salvation is recognised at the resurrection, we will never be lost. We will be born again of the spirit and have a glorified body that will have God's law written on our hearts. In other words we will not sin from then on. Right now we are only saved by faith, looking forward with faith to that day. We have a deposit of the spirit that helps us to live righteously as humans but we are not yet saved as we are still mortal and still sin. We struggle with flesh against spirit. When we are truly saved at the resurrection that struggle will be over. We should die daily to the flesh but that's a battle that sometimes we lose. Until the resurrection we can lose that battle of flesh v spirit, we can lose faith, we can walk away. The bible is full of encouragement to endure until the end. If we keep faith, OSAS will come into effect when we are saved, at the resurrection. Until then, keep the faith.
You completely miss your own descriptors. My sheep follow (this is not an adjective but a verb, a willful action) the sheep “hear” ( again not an adjective). What Dr Brown argued was a perspective that those that are in Christ, that are following , are hearing, are actively partaking in the covenant are secure. Nowhere does scripture tell you that you can’t rebel or not believe after you have believed, no where does it tell you that you can’t stop following or that you can’t stop hearing or listening, on the contrary it warns against such actions at least 80 times in the New Testament and from every single writer in the New Testament.
" Nowhere does scripture tell you that you can’t rebel or not believe after you have believed". No sir. Nowhere does it tell of a "believing one" who rebels. And to the point of the passage, The verb is simply telling what sheep do. Where do we see a condition given? No where. So this is in fact descriptive of sheep. God has stated what will happen once He puts His Spirit in man. We cannot come back and say that a person will do the opposite of what God said will happen.
@@smartchristians Demas comes to mind as a person in scripture that walked away for the love of the world in 2 Timothy 4. Jesus in the very same chapter of John as the verse that you are hanging on to and misrepresenting speaks of many disciples turning back. In fact the word prefaces to say “many of HIS disciples”. The same Jesus that spoke the words in John 10: 28 that you are hung up on, spoke the words in John 15 where He uses the vine and branches analogy where he warns that those that do not abide or remain in Him will be cut off. Paul goes on to reflect this warning to the gentiles in Romans 11. No where in scripture does it present salvation as something that “was given”. Instead it uses language to show that it is something that is being given through Christ. We are saved by grace through faith in the blood of Jesus Christ. That is why we are to remain in Him so that we remain in the blessing or benefit of the life giving atonement of the blood. Faith is essential to the equation of salvation. It is a free will response to grace. The problem with trying to hang your argument on one verse is that while the verse is true, you don’t get a complete picture of the truth by ignoring those verses that are difficult for your position. Analogies pointing to sheep, vines, marriage, wheat, etc are all incomplete pictures and meant to explain or present a specific point and not represent an exhaustive explanation of the relationship between a creation that was created in the likeness of his Creator. Therefore you can’t take one analogy and ignore the rest. You can’t try to build a theological position and stake it on one verse or passage by trying to turn verbs into adjectives and ignoring other passages that are equally as true. I heard it once said, “All things are permissible through a verse taken out of context.” When you are ignoring the warnings of the same Jesus in the same book you are referencing about enduring and remaining in Him, you are indeed taking a passage out of context because you have staked a position and are twisting and turning to bend scripture to that position verses letting scripture bend your position to itself. Your position has become the authority and not the Word of God. That is a dangerous place to be. There are 80+ warnings in the New Testament directed toward believers warning them of the consequences of falling away or not enduring til the end. Every New Testament writer has warnings about these things. You are taking one passage, twisting the context, and telling everyone to ignore those 80+ warnings because they don’t mean what they say. One final note. I almost didn’t respond, but I noticed you highlighted your response as if you had proven something. I’m pretty sure my heels are dug in on this as are yours and I doubt any arguments are gonna be settled here. But you started your video explaining how you were going to start being more aggressive or forceful……. You might want to start with being a little more founded in scripture and willing to deal with the context of those verses. I will answer one more of your questions. You asked if those in the first century church would have had “enough” if they only had the book of John. The answer is yes, but guess what….. many of them did and none of them held to the position you are defending. Once Saved Always Saved is a concept that was literally not known by the church in its beginnings and didn’t have any major notable following until Augustine and not a huge factor until Calvin. Those first century Christians you referenced would have seen your position as nothing short of heretical.
You confuse the text as redemption is not salvation. If christ redeemed you from your sins the human act of understanding christ will save or deliver you from the law of this world, but the action of understanding or believing is separate from Christ payment. The problem you have, is that you believe in free will. Free will is a doctrine of humanistic and demonic origins. Man has no say in Gods plan. And God does not judge you for the sins of adam, he paid for it. If you distrust Gods sovereignty, you might struggle in this world not fully trusting Gods plan, but it has no bering on your redemption and the fact that Jesus Christ paid fully and took your place in the cross. If you still have a consciousness of sin, then you are not fully trusting in God's love in Christ. Anyone can lose their salvation and depart, but the relationship with christ is not based on your strength, but his love and loyalty. It is impossible for those who christ paid to lose their redemption. Those who believe so, are not fully trusting Jesus christ is God all mighty.
Corey is not willing to see that as long as they are believing, hearing, and following Him they are His sheep. But if they stop believing, hearing, and following they no longer qualify as His sheep. That's what a sheep is. But it is by choice for anyone who is willing.
I would also think that if OSAS is true then you cannot sin after you're saved
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Or you can be unrepentant about sin in your life and still expect to go to heaven. Here's what one must do to be saved according to scripture.
*TO BE SAVED:*
We must be willing to:
1. *Believe* (Mark 16:15-16; Acts 16:31).
2. *Repent of sin* (Luke 13:3, 24:47).
3. *Confess faith in Jesus Christ* (Mat. 10:32-33; Acts 8:37; Rom. 10:9-10).
4. *Be Baptized* (immersed in water) for the forgiveness of our sins -(Mark 16:15-16; Acts 2:38; Acts 22:16).
5. *THEN* remain faithful in Christ (John 15:1-7; 1 Cor. 9:24-27; 2 Tim 4:7-8; Jas 1:12; 1 Pet 5:4; Rev. 2:10).
Amen! the Apostle Peter say the following: For after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 2Peter. 2:20. KJV. If what Peter said is true than there is no once saved always saved!
You are 100% correct.
Apostle Paul did not know what a double indicative is which is a construct of the Roman Catholic church in the 4th century called the Codex Sinaiticus which the Apostle Paul would not recognize.
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*TO BE SAVED:*
_We must be willing to:_
1. *Believe* (Mark 16:15-16; Acts 16:31).
2. *Repent of sin* (Luke 13:3, 24:47).
3. *Confess faith in Jesus Christ* (Mat. 10:32-33; Acts 8:37; Rom. 10:9-10).
4. *And be Baptized* (immersed in water) for the forgiveness of our sins -(Mark 16:15-16; Acts 2:38; Acts 22:16).
5. *THEN* remain faithful in Christ (John 15:1-7; 1 Cor. 9:24-27; 2 Tim 4:7-8; Jas 1:12; 1 Pet 5:4; Rev. 2:10).
@1:07:55 i like how Voddie Bauchem answers that question "you mean a Christian can just do what they want to after they're saved". Voddie, "Yes (dramatic pause), because God has changed that person's "wants". Now the believer WANTS to please God, WANTS to stop sinning".
Amen!! Amen!! Just want to do the will of The Father and bring glory to The Lord Jesus
@@irataylor5083Galatians 5:19-21 totally contradicts OSAS.
@@mytestimonytojesuschrist Absolutely!! I agree. I am not a proponent of that false doctrine.
@@irataylor5083 The channel creator (smart christians) and Voddie Bahchem both are though.
My head hurts. Let's pray because this is so confusing 😢
Hebrews 10: 26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
That was referring to Jews that became Christians that wanted to go back to sacrificing animals as payment for their sins. Has nothing to do with people sinning because no one is sinless
@@gregory7320 You just mentioned that the Jews to who you say this text applies, had become Christian. If they could turn from the faith and face such severity, what makes you think a Gentile couldn't?
@@Heb101922 like I said that text was referring to Jews who became Christians but wanted to go back to their old tradition I'll link you a video about it if you want
@@Heb101922This is why Paul and Peter took issue... Peter would remove himself from Gentiles when Jews came on the scene out of fear of what they'd think. Jews kept trying to get Jewish believers in Christ to go back under the Law. And to sacrifice animals. There remains no more sacrifice for sin because Christ paid the ultimate sacrifice. The blood of goats and bulls does not save. He is letting them know that within the context of that scripture... And Paul did directly approach and correct his brother.
Willfully sinning is placing your faith in anything other than Jesus for your salvation. That includes the law and or yourself.
Lean on the Holy Spirit, if understanding Greek and Hebrew is the only way to unlock scriptural understanding, then we have a problem. You cannot study the bible in original textual meanings and isolation and come to the right conclusion. Being born again means we get into a relationship with the Holy Spirit who is the one who guides and leads us into truth. You don't need to study Greek or Hebrew to understand John 10:28, if you read the verse before it, you will understand what it means. John 10:28 is not the beginning of Jesus' expression, verse 27 is and he is simply saying, "No one will snatch any sheep that is following me out of my hands". Also, I am not exactly sure of the intention of this 'once saved always saved' doctrine. If it is to assure the believer that their salvation is real, and guilt and shame have no place in their lives, even when they stumble while they are working out their salvation, maybe I get it. But if it means that someone would come to Christ for salvation and then walk out the door, serve themselves and the devil throughout their life, and somehow expect to spend eternity with God, then people need to return to their bibles, turn it right side up and read again. We spend so much time on everything else but understanding the scripture in order to grow as a child of God, just my two cents...
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Every word on this comment captured my exact sentiment.. Perfectly stated.. I will quote this
Amen
Those are not the only places where you were "wrong". Dr. Michael Brown DID show you in SEVERAL places and SEVERAL times! But you "refused" to see and accept it.
Thank you
“Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.”
1 John 2:18-19 ESV
No body denies that some of those who leave the faith were false Christians, but not ALL who leave the faith were false Christians. That’s just unbiblical.
@@lauromartinez8948 the ones are walk away but have truly been born again cannot stay away. He disciplines his children.
Speaking of antichrists, not standard christians.
Sir, I don't know why you even have these debates if you have already made up your mind on these topics. I see no fruit being produced of any sort through these "debates" other than you simply always saying you are right and its final, with all due respect. I don't understand how the Body is even being edified through your debates, and if I can be totally honest, I don't even feel the Holy Spirit behind these discussions/ videos.
Finally. Someone that sees it as the scriptures sees it. Understanding by the Father through Christ by the Holy Ghost.
The term "lose your salvation" should be scraped. many who would be labeled as holding to the belief that you can lose your salvation actually don't hold to that, they hold to the belief that you can willingly forsake your salvation by renouncing it and willingly waking away.
You nailed it.
I hope more people will see your post and can understand.
If that's the case, then why would the Apostle Peter say the following: For after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 2Peter. 2:20. KJV. If what Peter said is true than there is no once saved always saved!
Same thing
@@sacredlux6099Read 2 Peter 2:20 in context. Peter is talking about those who reject the gospel and follow after false teachers.
I have not gotten past 1 minute of this video. I know the title is misleading.🤦🏾♀️
There's never a contradiction in the Bible. When there appears to be a contradiction, we can be sure that it's either a mistranslation or a misinterpretation (taken out of proper context), or both. The Bible is a cohesive, unit. There are never any contradictions in any part of the Bible whether Old or New Testament. There may be some paradoxes, but never contradictions.
So, if your argument is completely hinged of the enfatic nature off a particular wording, it would be important to acknowledge that enfatic language is often associated with hyperbole and other literary devices. This is not uncommon. we do it all the time, and Jesus uses it all the time. Also, it would not matter how enfatic the language being used is if what Doctor Brown is saying is true. Dr. Brown is suggesting that the merit between these verses that appear to contradict is that the verses that suggest eternal security are contingent on you using your free will to harken onto God and remain faithful. If you want to have a conversation about predestination, total depravity, and limited attonment, then those are separate issues. Also, it's hilarious that you say he wants to run all over scripture and even try to build an argument based on having limited access to scripture. You don't build theology from any particular text but from the entire word of God. This is how cults are formed. Also, no one text, no matter how enfatic, can be used to convey something like this because everything has caveats. What Doctor Brown is saying is when it calls you a sheep it is already implied that this is contingent on if you are infact a sheep and if you infact hear and obey etc and that is continual as in as long as you remain in the fold. It's not rocket science. Sometimes, smart people can outsmart themselves. God had revealed the knowledge to those who are like babes. Also, when you say God has never trusted us with anything you are undermining free will and have nullified the whomsoever believes passage. Beliefs and faith are not works but produces works as a byproduct.
Yessssss!!! Exactly! I wish we would humble ourselves and be more concerned about what's true, rather than looking like we're right, even when we're not. Better to receive sound instruction, correction, make the adjustments and move forward in love, than to keep pushing a stance that is not based in the whole Truth. Much respect.
@@nicolebrooks2876I agree...if you're wrong you're wrong. I feel like the collosians and Hebrews examples were clear tiems during the debate when Corey was found to be wrong and didn't have an answer.
Dr. Brown is the best.
Once saved always saved! That is ONLY if you did not believe in vain the 1st time. the Bible does say that one can believe in vain. Sometimes they don't have the right understanding of the gospel. If one is truly saved then they are SEALED with the spirit of promise until the day of redemption and NOTHING can pluck us out of His hand! The Bible calls us His purchase possession! 🙏🏼🙌🏼
Amen!
With that said I'm wondering if you're "saved" then it's impossible to go back into sinning? Would that be a true statement?
@@fuvjvjchxhc7063 1 John 3:9
No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.
If you are saved stop asking man ask your savior
Amen and I am guilty of this. For someone reason I know the gospel but still my mind and heart didn't understand it.
My faith was not their, so for me accepting the gospel or Christ was all in vain
Only when the holy spirit came I understood
@@fuvjvjchxhc7063 absolutely you Can sin again. The difference of a saved and an unsaved person is that if you are saved you will immediately repent (and you would not want to sin anymore). Lord is faithful in forgiving us if we humble ourselves and repent of our sins. Paul struggled with sin too.
There is a very simple problem with the dogma of “once saved, always saved.” That problem is that it is just not biblical! The truth is, the dogma of “once saved, always saved” is part of the doctrines and commandments of men. Consider Matthew 15:1-20; Mark 7:1-23 → Galatians 1:6-20 and II John 1:7-11!
He is bind and all who follow his own opinion.
There are many people in the bible who turned away from God.
2 Peter 2:21-22
For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteous the than after had known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them, verse 22 like a dog returning to his own vomit.
NOTE: there was a time this person was saved.
Matt 24:13 He that endures to the end will be saved.
Amen
Endures to the end of what ?
The end of this life or this system of things. Which ever comes first.
Read revelation, this is directed the Jews in the tribulation, not to bride of Christ. Get your context right.
@@jhb8636thats incorrect. Plus, anyone who reads Revelation will receive a blessing. Doesn't just say for Jewish people.
Corey in the last 3yrs I have multiple friends that have walked away from following Christ and a couple by Gods grace have returned… But I have Pastor friends who done the same. The basic principles of relationship is to keep communicating. But we see divorces all around us.
adultery comes before divorce. The only lawful divorce in the Bible is over sexual immorality: cheating
Hey friend in the gospel John, (don’t remember which verse) it say some sheep hear my voice and follow me and I give to them eternal life and they will never perish, a true sheep of Jesus will hear his voice and follow him, the fact that they returned is evidence of that and a season away from God does not mean they lost their salvation, as for the people that didn’t return, they are either gonna return if they were actually saved or they were a false convert, yes it possible to believe in vain and Jesus describes people in Matthew 7 who clearly believed that they were saved but actually didn’t know him. So yes it’s possible to walk away for a time and come back because you are a sheep of Jesus and it also possible for a false convert to leave, evidence of their false conversion. See for yourself but I believe eternal security is biblical although I’m not 100% sure
@@platonbelyalov8267 That’s Calvinism. This theology came about in the 1500s. The Church for the first 1500 years never taught this. Are you saying the Church was deceived for the first 1500 yrs? Also it’s unbiblical, What about Demas? 2Tim 4:10 for Demas, because he loved this world, has deserted me and has gone to Thessalonica. Crescens has gone to Galatia, and Titus to Dalmatia. Also what about Saul who had the HolySpirit and prophesied? 1Sam 16:14 But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and a distressing spirit from the Lord troubled him. 15 And Saul’s servants said to him, “Surely, a distressing spirit from God is troubling you. Also Paul warns all saints. Col 1:22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation- 23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.
@@platonbelyalov8267 Rom 8:9You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.
I watched the debate a few days ago. (1) Corey was wrong in his position on the topic AND he LOST the debate. That's why he's "never doing another debate." (2) The format, structure and rules of the debate were clear and made perfect sense, and had no bearing on one's debating experience. The rules of the debate support the objectives: to inform and persuade in a public and competitive forum, so that the AUDIENCE can judge. (3) John 10:26-28 uses the analogy of sheep. Sheep do get lost--even though majority will be safe. Jesus promises eternal life to those sheep who qualify according to verse 27 (hear, are endorsed by the shepherd, and follow through on their commitment to the shepherd). Then 28 promises eternal life to those people. Context drives the meaning of words. This is how we recognize the use of sarcasm--when the exact opposite of what is meant is said. Words must never be divorced from context. Jesus' statement in verse 26 is clear from the context (v.25). A paraphrase of what Jesus was saying would sound like this: "I have told you that I'm the Messiah but you don't believe because you choose not to. That's a problem for you because only those who believe can ever be my sheep and ultimately gain eternal life."
“…emphatic negation of a subjection….”, for a minute there I thought I was hearing that black intellectual man from the show In Living Color….😂😂😂😂😂
Lol!
"Intestinally speaking, my trichomoniasis, pardon me, my telepathical abilities, has under-girded my colon and flatulated my thesis. Therefore my scrotum remains operculated.
A couple of things here.
1. You basically are saying that if we don't know greek then we can not understand truly what they are trying to say. ( which in turns means, we can't be saved unless we know greek or our pastor knows greek in order for us to get the true meaning of what's being said. ( think about that) Which then goes against scripture because on the day of Pentecost every language was there. SO they heard them praise God in their native tongues( meaning they heard perfectly in their language to understand it.
2. The problem lies in how one see what salvation is. No need to go to greek to understand. Who jesus considers saved is not who many christians today considered saved. Christians have distorted the whole thing from the beginning and now can't see what is made up false doctrine or what is sound doctrine.
3. Many think they are saved but are not. I have notice that these are the main ones who stick to you can not loose salvation, like a comfort of them doing whatever they want but in the end they will say, Once saved always saved.
4.Throughout juesus ministry he lets people know you claiming to be saved but I never knew you.
5. So the question should be...WHy are so many thinking that they are saved and are not?
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Just a couple observations. 1. Many people who oppose OSAS do not really understand what these people are saying. They accuse us of rejecting holiness, obedience, faithfulness, ect. That's not at all the case. Some of the strongest believers in OSAS have been among the most holy and faithful Christians I have ever known. We have been sorely misrepresented in what we believe. 2. Those that believe we can lose our salvation never really CLEARY define at what point that occurs. What's the magic number? How many sins ? How much disobedience? How long must one be in a backsliding condition ? Are we saved one day then lost the next?
No you are not saved one day and lost the next. I personally have known many people over the many decades that walked away from the faith and from Christ and as Paul said have made their faith shipwrecked. Read, 1 Timothy 1:19-20.
If that's the case, then why would the Apostle Peter say the following: For after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 2Peter. 2:20. KJV. If what Peter said is true than there is no once saved always saved!
@steve-o the point at which you are no longer saved is not based on how many sins...but is marked by the point in which you no longer believe. Sin is the driving factor that will harden the heart to a place of unbelief...but nothing can separate from Christ is we remain in faith.
Jesus is clear...just abide.
Why did Jesus say that the door was locked to the 5 virgin brides who were not prepared for the coming of the bridegroom by having oil for their lamps in Matthew 5? In order to be a bride you have to be part of his church and the door was lock and they weren’t allowed to enter the wedding celebration because they weren’t prepared. What would cause you not to be prepared? Sin, disobedience and lack of faith in Jesus.
How many hairs can one have and still be shaved?
Bro. Corey, I think a lesson on the parable of the wheat and tares would help to illustrate who are and who are not “sheep” specifically how the wheat and tares grow together
Yes, and wheat can never become tares or vice versa!
@@AfricanSheepYou can lose salvation, and you can get it back.
@@contendingforthefaith9897 so you can have eternal life then not have eternal life then you get it back again? Sounds like you have a pretty puny and powerless god there. My God is all powerful and sovereign.
@@AfricanSheep OSAS , isn't a one-sided argument. Man has absolute freewill to do what he chooses. Luke 15 :11-32, show us you loose your salvation if you walk away from God.
@@contendingforthefaith9897 Why do you think Luke 15:11-32 is about eternal security?
I don't believe that was even a point Jesus was making. Looking at the context of Luke 15, all three parables (the lost sheep, the lost coin, the lost son) were answering the need of the “sinners” that he was speaking to as well as the grumblings of the Pharisees. Look at how the chapter starts:
Luke 15:1 “Now the tax collectors and “sinners” were all gathering around to hear him. But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law muttered, “This man welcomes sinners and eats with them.” Then Jesus told them this parable…”
All three parables that he spoke were to show the joy that Heaven has when a sinner returns to God as well as speaking to the pride of the Pharisees. None of them were addressing the issue of eternal security or whether the son was “saved” before he left home or whether the son was “saved” when he was out in the world spending his inheritance. Jesus was speaking directly to the “sinners” in his midst to show the wonder and joy in Heaven when a sinner returns to God. He wasn’t addressing whether these “sinners” were saved previously or now. He was also speaking to the Pharisees to show them the error in their proud, hard, ‘holier than thou’ attitude towards these “sinners” as pictured by the attitude of other son who didn’t leave home.
So to try prove a point against eternal security based on the fact that the son was called “lost”, or “dead” is missing the point in my view. Even if you did go down that track you could easily argue that while the father called his son lost and dead, that was only as he perceived it to be because he didn’t know where his son was. The same cannot be said of God the Father. The actual fact was that the son wasn’t dead even though the father thought he was. But again, this is missing the point of the parable. Jesus was speaking to “sinners” who needed to know that though they were living in sin and were not right with God, God’s arms were waiting to receive them with joy just as the Father ran out to meet and accept his son that returned.
As someone who does believe in eternal security, is that a true born again believer, like the prodigal, will return home even if they do go back into the world for a season. I believe this to be true because I know that Jesus has promised to lose none of those that the Father gives him and I believe that to leave the faith and not return proves that they were never a truly born again believer to begin with (1 John 2:19).
Mr. Corey all I can say to you brother is Amen. I see exactly what you're getting at. I'm not a Greek speaker or understand Greek, I'm just a person who knows how to just speak English, all I know is that I put my trust in God and Christ and let them deal with me as the way They see fit. I'm not a perfect Christians , i just believe that God and Christ know what to do in order to bring me to them.
Amen 🙏🏿 salvation is a gift from God and worked out by God 🙏🏿
John 14:15-31
King James Version
""15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.""
Bro. Corey, there is a difference between knowledge and wisdom. Those with all those letters after their birth name seems to think that the letters will automatically make one more privileged when it comes to the Word of God and expects one to just believe what they are saying. You are a great defender of the Word of God, keep going!!
I actually use to think that those ‘alphabets’ mattered🤷🏽♀️ but found out later in life that actually has NOTHING to do with…SALVATION (anyway) 🧐
Amen!!
Letters behind your name don’t matter but the truth of Gods word does and Dr Brown provided many scripture that stated Gods stand on once saved always saved and that it is false. How can once saved always saved be possible. So at one point in your life you accept Jesus as your savior and then after that you can live anyway you want, sin rules and reigns in your life but your are still spending eternity with him? Read Matt. 13, the parable of the sower and Jesus explaining the parable to His disciples. This is a parable of salvation, receiving Gods word on entering His kingdom. The only way to enter His kingdom is thru your faith in Jesus. The first one says that the seed fell on stony ground, that person accepts the word with joy but they have no roots and they immediately fall away. They abandon the One who is the source of salvation ( this is in the AMP verse 21). The other seed falls on thorns, so they hear the word but because of distractions, worries, and deceitful riches (pleasures and delights of this world), this chokes the word and it yields no fruit. Now we know what happen to the fig tree that yielded no fruit. Jesus cursed it and caused it to die. That tells us that fruitlessness brings judgement.
In order to justify his stand Corey Minor believes that a person was nEver saved if they continues to sin. They were not sincere in their belief. But how does he know a man’s heart. We maybe able to see their fruit but we don’t know their hearts. So how can he judge it. John 3:16 says that whoever believe in Jesus shall not perish but have eternal life. We all know that it is possible for someone to believe something and change their minds about that belief. This is described in the parable of the sower above. If you continue to walk in the flesh and not in the spirit it is very possible to sin and to continue to sin even after believing in Jesus and receiving the Holy Spirit because we have to choose to die daily to the flesh. I know myself. I was not completely transformed when I accepted Jesus. I was walking in the flesh and sinning so based on what Mr. Minor is saying I really wasn’t saved. But I had to make the choice as I grew in the Lord to try to die daily to my flesh. I haven’t always been successful in that but I still am trying and I’m believing that the Lord is going to accomplish all that the word promises in me. But everyone for whatever reason are not able to or choose to walk away from the Lord just as the lost sheep does in in Luke 15:3-7. So my prayer is that all who believe this once saved always saved would no longer be blind and death to the word of God on this issue. That their hearts would no longer be harden in this regard. Because you are believing and spreading a falsehood that could jeopardize the salvation of many. It can cause some to believe that Gods grace is not sufficient to cover them even in their sin and that it could cause others to continue in their sin because once saved always saved.
Dr. Brown was very condescending
_Smart Christians_ have been writing about this and other topics for close to two thousand years. Some of these people not only were fluent in the language of The Scriptures, but also lived in the culture where The Scriptures were written. With all due respect to you and Dr. Brown, your understanding of the original texts will always be flawed. Instead of trying to tease the meaning out of the original texts, look at what the Church Fathers and others have written over the years, this will not have the same authority as Scripture, but can provide insight you as 21st Century man will not have. We are able to reach higher by standing on the shoulders of those who have come before.
I wonder if Corey pays any attention to the historical context of theses writing?
Jesus' claim of being the sheppard of the sheep was him claiming divinity more than it is about soteriology.
Jesus is appealing to OT passages like Ps23 and Ps 100:3.
Therefore it is not a soteriological issue in that passage of John. It is one of Christology
It’s as simple as these three words…..It is Finished!
@leonsims ~👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽✊🏾
Only those who repent of their sins will be saved.
When Jesus said it is finished He is referring to redemption that has been objectively supplied. Not salvation which subjectively received. The two are not the same thing. Respectfully
WHAT is finished???
People are so obsessed with the concept of their own free will, that they refuse to believe that God is sovereign in ALL matters.
People are so obsessed with the notion of sovereignty, that they refuse to believe that God gave us free will out of his sovereign volition.
@@acemxe8472lol what? Autonomous free will, find it in the Bible.....I'll wait.
@@jtbtdlkt2012 Lol, look at you trying to be sneaky with the redundant “autonomous” before free will. Easy request to show free will in the Bible nonetheless.
1 corinthians 7: 37 But the one who stands firm in his heart, if he is not under constraint, *but has authority over his own will, and has decided this in his own heart,* to keep his own virgin, he will do well.
Sovereign means to be ruler. Not what Calvinism says it means. God gave you free will,God has nothing to do with the sin you commit.
@@acemxe8472 Proverbs 21:1 The king's heart is a stream of water in the hand of the Lord; he turns it wherever he will.
Brother Corey stop doing debates… just teach the Word of God, because none of this is advantageous to believers, especially new born again believers, because it brings them confusion and their more reluctant to doubt the Word of God..just saying … I love your channel and your thoroughness with Bible, best regards your Sis in Christ…Sister Trevor… yes I’m a lady, just got a guys name at birth.. been with me 54 years, it’s ok.. JESUS IS LORD…👩🏻🦱🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Iron sharpens iron, my brother
Debate is a great way to learn new perspectives on a topic. Don't stop Debating Corey.
13:45 .... IF, seems like his using it as a condition.
@CH-ud4ee he did lose the debate because he did not follow debate format. But he was right. That's the main point.
Dr. Brown mis interprets things by making assumptions. Dr. Brown is not a scholar, nor does he have a good grasp of hebrew or Greek. language
I don’t see what the big deal is anyway on this topic. If you’re a Christian, shouldn’t you be living a godly lifestyle anyway. If you’re living in sin and you call yourself a Christian, shouldn’t you be checking yourself and changing the way you live. If you call yourself a Christian and you choose to live in sin, then you’re not a Christian..Simple, right?
It is but many don’t know this truth.
This has been a hotly debated topic in Christianity. Both sides cite biblical passages to support their views and each side attacks the other's interpretation of the other’s proof texts. For example, one of the important texts for eternal security, or "once saved always saved", is from John 10.
27“My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
There is, however, an assumption in this verse which is that the sheep are listening to Jesus’ voice and following him. If they stop doing that, they are no longer his sheep. No one can take them out of his hand, true, but they can take themselves out of his hand.
The Bible as a whole shows this to be true. I will provide a few of the many passages which support this view, while highlighting key words from the NASB. Salvation is contingent upon continued obedience and perseverance in the faith.
Luke 9 62 But Jesus said to him, “No one, after putting his hand to the plow and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.”
John 8 31 So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine;
Mt 7 22-23 “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.
Mark 13:13 And you will be hated by everyone because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved.
Ro 11 20-21 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.
1 Cor 9 27 but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.
Gal 5 19-21 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, 21envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Hebrews 10:26-29 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
2 PETER 2:20-21 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them.
Rev 3 5 ‘He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
The Bible does not promise anyone eternal security. It promises eternal life to those who maintain their faith in Jesus Christ and follow him in obedience until the end. "Once saved always saved" is one of the most pernicious heresies that exists because it lulls people into a false sense of security, and helps them justify continuing to engage in willful sinful behavior, which the Bible strongly admonishes against.
We need to rightly divide the word of truth to understand = 2Timothy 2:15
Examples =
(2 different gospels)
[1] In (the gospel of Christ), Apostle Paul says that (Today) is the day of salvation =2CORINTHIANS 6:2. You are saved by believing in Jesus, death, burial and resurrection =1CORINTHIANS 15:1-4. This gospel (has) went out to all the world and we are bearing the fruit of it = Colossians 1:5,6,23
*In (this gospel of Christ), God the Father in Christ (has) forgiven you = Ephesians 4:32
[2] In (the gospel of the kingdom of heaven approaches) = Matthew 4:17. Israel must endure unto the end to be saved = Matthew 10:22/Matthew 24:13. This gospel (will) be preached in all the world and then the end will come = Matthew 24:14. This gospel will continue in the future.
*In (this gospel of the kingdom of heaven approaches), the Father (will not) forgive your trespasses =Matthew 6:15
The gospel of Christ is in 1Cor 15:1-4. (This gospel was a mystery) =Ephesians 6:19/Romans 16:25,26
Before Jesus death, Jesus and the 12 apostles were (not) preaching the gospel of Christ in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. They were preaching the gospel of the kingdom of heaven approaches exclusively only to Israel.
Not even Satan and his angels know about the gospel of Christ before Jesus death = 1Cor 2:8
In Galatians 1:7,8 the gospel of the Kingdom of heaven approaches is not in view here, it's not our message to the lost souls today. The gospel of Christ, was a Mystery = Romans 16:25,26/Ephesians 6:19
@@fernandodeleon4115 ultimately we will all find out the truth on the other side and we will be judged May our Father in Heaven in the name of Jesus be with you!
@@fernandodeleon4115 another thing that's not a mystery is that Jesus said more than 80 times in the New Testament that he is the son of man knowing and have for telling that he would be called God he has a relationship with his father and said that his father is our father and that we are his brothers and sisters! He is not a mystery without Jesus we do not know God very clear not a mystery!
Amen, those who endure unto the end shall be saved.
@@fernandodeleon4115
Only one gospel. Paul.preached the same gospel as Jesus, the gospel of the kingdom.
Hebrews 3:12-13. Beware brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; but extort one another daily while it is called Today lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
You were wrong in the entire debate. It’s quite evident.
Cory, blessings man. As you have mentioned, this is a mainstay among charismatics right now (it’s 7/28/2024 today) and I had to break away from ending a series Romans address eternal security and Philippians 2:12 (work out your own salvation). A charismatic “preacher” had basically attacked one of our members with the thought that believers could lose their salvation and be restored by “working out their own salvation”.
I love you Corey but please move on. Dr brown at this point is living rent free in your head. Seems like your trying to bait him into making a video about you. Starting to see you don’t like being wrong
😂😂😂😂 right
@Corey… thank you for the video. love it.
I did listening to the debate also…from what i understand from Dr.Brown is regarding John 10…If we are the sheep, we should hear the Shepherd voice… For me Jesus voice is The Word, so if i declare i know His Word shouldn’t i follow His Word? If i don’t listen and obey His word, maybe He is not our Shepherd?
I'm loving the new attitude Corey!
Me too!
Amen
It seems like God ultimately wants friendship with his creation. science has clarified the definition of a quality relationship. It has to have these minimum three things: It’s a stable, longstanding bond; it’s positive; and it’s cooperative-it’s helpful, reciprocal, I’m there for you, you’re there for me. Abraham was God's friend. The apostles were Jesus' friends.
If one does a word study on “if”it will make you see some stuff for sure..both old and New Testament
Some people think free will allows a person to “walk away” from their salvation. Those people don’t really understand salvation. If someone is truly saved, then the Holy Spirit moves in and seals that person forever. How can a true believer be unsealed?
Where does it say that we are sealed by the Holy Spirit and we can never walk away from the Lord.? It says that we are sealed with the promise of the Holy Spirit (Eph. 1:13). but it doesn’t say that it is impossible to walk away from God after we receive Him.
very true, but the question is, who has the holy ghost!! Many think they have it when they do not. False doctrines on salvation has confused many. The holy ghost seals those who are really his, but many who think that they are his are not, and on the last days he will say that he never knew them. Matthew 7:21“Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. 22 On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ 23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’.........................................what religion prophesy in Jesus name? which religion professes to cast out demons in Jesus name? which religion claims to do miracles in his name?..Which religion teaches the people that they do not have to obey his laws? CHRISTIANITY!.... he will say depart from me you who break God's laws.... these people were never saved. They have made a whole religion and doctrines off 1 or 2 misinterpreted verses. It is truly sad
Cory how do you address in Revelation when it speaks of names being blotted out the book? Is this the scripture that is causing people to think that once saved not always saved?
Your name can ONLY be blotted out of the book of life when you die having never becoming a believer in the Christ.
You have to remember, the book of life was written BEFORE the foundations of the earth were formed, and Everyone who was born of Adam and Eve bloodline had their names written in the book because God loved the WHOLE world that he gave his only begotten son. When you DON'T accept the gospel and die, you can no longer accept the gospel of Christ as true.
Now... There are TWO groups of people or beings who were alive who's NEVER had their names in the book at all. They were the abominations who were the children of angels birthed through women mentioned in Genesis 6:4, and those who marveled after the beast in Revelation 17:8 who accepted the beast's mark and were also abominations.
@@V4ultr3mTV I have never ever seen where the Bible says all the names were already written in the Book. Wow! Are you sure about that???
@@nicolebrooks2876 Revelation 13:8 shows clearly that everyone's names were written in the book of life before the beginning of time ( before the foundation of the earth), so that can ONLY mean that ALL our names are pre recorded, us being believers or not.
There's NO passages that say that our names were written any time AFTER the beginning of time, but only that some names are blotted out after the beginning of time.
As I mentioned before, abominable beings don't belong on the book of life. That includes Nephelim, and the marked during the tribulation period.
Once Saved Always Saved is kind of a pointless debate.
The Christian SHOULD trust in Jesus for salvation. That same Christian SHOULD pursue a holy life and willingly try to sin less.
Thank you for fighting for this. If once saved always saved isn’t true. Then there isn’t a point in believing at all. I can’t keep my salvation without Christ holding fast to it. He is guarding it!
I would be without hope. In the past even the thought has had me hopeless and lost. Thank you!
Kept by God power through faith! If a person stops trusting then it opens the Door to them Rejecting there Salvation
Amen. The truth of the matter is, if we relied on ourselves to remain justified before God, none of us would be because we in our flesh are too weak to do so.
Sealed to the day of Redemption!
@@johnhudson504amen, as long as you’re IN CHRIST!
@@johnhudson504 yep for those that have faith. Faith and salvation is a God gift to us Amen! But that doesn't mean on cannot reject the gift of salvation as Hebrews 6:4-8
Brother Corey. Revelation 3 verses 1 to 3. Is Jesus talking to his sheep in these verses? Are the people in verses 1 to 3 at risk of having their names blotted out of the book of life (ie. does your double negation apply to these people)? If their names were written in the book of life, does that mean they were at one point saved, specifically when they initially received and heard (verse 3)? If they aren't sheep and there's no possibility of them being saved, would it be reasonable to say that it's pointless for Jesus to warn them to remember what they originally heard (presumably the gospel) and repent ?
Corey, besides the verses in John’s gospel, the best scripture for OSAS is Jer. 32:40. It specifically states that those in the New Covenant will not apsotatize. Dr. Brown, like many others, don’t realize they are advocating a works based salvation. “If” you do such and such until you die, then you will be saved. Instead of God fulfilling “His work” in us by His Spirit, until the day of redemption. God predestinated His elect, calls them, justifies them, and glorifies them. It is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes. Otherwise, the glory would go to us for “hanging” in there.
Amen!!!!! What is the point of Christ mines well go back to sacrifices
Excellent point. I love that
I believe we can have eternal security, but not in this life, if we’re found without sin when we die then we will have eternal security, but in this life currently we don’t lose our salvation, but we CAN walk away from our salvation.
Scripture says some will depart from the faith, that is clear enough not once saved always saved. It is our choice if we endure till the end, death judgement our resurrection when Christ returns..
Departing from "the faith" is not the same as departing from "having faith".
It may sound small but that's a big grammatical difference.
The Church does not need to endure unto the end to be saved, that's for Israel not the Church.
>>> Israel is not the Church.
@@fernandodeleon4115 Paul taught the Gospel of the kingdom of God same as Christ no different gospel....Paul said if anyone bring another gospel let them be accursed...imagine that and you say two different gospels......
@@Humblestudent04 Please show me were are the 12 disciples preaching Jesus death burial and resurrection, before his death
@@fernandodeleon4115 the death burial and resurrection is not the complete gospel, that is only part of the gospel. That is the problem many think as long as they simply believe in death burial and resurrected of Christ then that is all there is to it. Everyone will face judgement our resurrection when Christ returns that is also part of the gospel and the whole point of Christ resurrection so we can also be resurrected. But in our own order, Christ the firstfruits afterwards those who are Christ at his coming.....
Dr. Brown is one of the best Christian debaters today but OSAS is simply God's sovereignty which we can't touch with a 10 foot pole. There's the here and now, and then there's what God has decreed to take place. I will be doing my own video critique of Dr. Brown's presentation soon. God bless!
Matthew 27:53
And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
Kinda off topic but saw in the live chat someone say, nobody has gone to Heaven. We know Enoch and Elijah were both taken without death... But where are all these Saints now? Did they die again or were they raised glorified and taken to Heaven?
Anywho, good live today thank you so much Corey
I've been wondering about this exact topic myself lately.
@@ravensparks4644Well the word "appear" is interesting... It's like they just appeared... They weren't hanging out they just appeared. I don't know but I think He took them to Heaven. And Lazarus... Did he die twice? 🤔😂 So many questions. Lol
Ridiculous thinking NOONE is in heaven.
We LITERALLY get a picture of heaven in Revelation chapter 6.
9) When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10) They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” 11) Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters,[e] were killed just as they had been.
Christ hasn't returned yet, at this point in Revelation.......AND I find it hard to believe that "the alter of God" isn't in heaven.
THAT is definitively where all of those souls that are crying out, are.
Thinking "noone is in heaven" is a perfect example" of cherry picking scripture to line up with whatever dogma your denomination happens to tout.
There are 3 "Solas", Solo Gratia, Sola Fide, Sola Scriptura, AND One "Tota".........TOTA Scriptura. That means "ALL OF IT", If a person happens to think that a scripture says something, according to what their tradition tells them, BUT that interpretation happens to directly contradict other scripture, its YOU
who has it wrong, NOT scripture.
There are MULTIPLE places that indicate we are with Christ after we die. To think we aren't is to disregard this.
Yeshua(Jesus)/YHWH bless you and your family sister.
AMEN & Shalom
@@archam777 some what disagree, not entirely though. Those in Revelation 4 are elders ... I believe these are OT Saints and the number 24 represents the Apostles and the tribes/Prophets... They are in White raiment which I take to mean glorified .. in chapter 5 we see angels numbered by the thousands and thousands and 10 thousand times 10 thousand... I believer this is the raptured church ... Those in chapter 7 are beneath the alter and handed white robes. Told to rest a little while longer. When Christ died on the cross the veil was torn, we can approach from where we stand. Our Spirit goes to God upon death but those souls in chapter 7 have not been resurrected yet. Just like when Cane killed Abel and God heard his blood cry out to him... I think this is the same scenario... But yes I do believe glorified Saints are currently in Heaven. God bless you!
@@archam777My mistake... I still believe OT Saints are in heaven given the original verse I was asking about but I don't believe Apostles are there just yet
the issue is people don't understand the biblical teaching of salvation. if someone believes in order to be saved you must repent of your sins in order to be saved then they will have this notion that in order to keep their salvation they must do the following things xyz. that is not the biblical method of salvation. the biblical method is placing our trust in him. period.
Acts 2:38. Peter said to his newly belueving audience to REPENT AND BE BAPTISED to have their sins forgiven and to recieeve the Holy Ghost. We must obey the gospel to be saved. Thats how we respond to the grace of God, its the beginning of our putting our trust in Jesus. If we havent yet obryed the gospel , we havent belueved on Jesus according to scripture.
God bless you friend!
Your title for the Video is misleading Click Bait. You should check your ego at the Door dont try to belittle Dr Brown.
If you don't believe in OSAS that means that God makes mistakes, I call him the daffodil God, he loves me he loves me not, when you're saved you're saved, you can't get unsaved from salvation
Corey I love ya bruh but, because we have free will, Jesus cannot make us stay with Him if we decide to walk away. But the work IF is a conditional work. People can backslide and fall away from the faith.
@interactingwithjoel spot on. You'd think "free will" were prominently plastered through Scripture with how often people brandish the term; and by "free will" the implication is autonomous free will.
Do you think that humans are powerful enough to remove the Holy Spirit once it is in them?
@@Director2024 not at all. Once He (The Holy Spirit) takes up residence within a believer He is the seal guaranteeing their salvation, guaranteeing they are justified.
@@binjoel God gives us free will to serve Him or not, choose Him or not. I have seen people backslide and turn away from the faith. The Bible plainly states, there will be a GREAT falling away. Meaning they had to have been there in the first place. People can start out believing and having faith in Jesus, and then something may happen in their lives that causes them to turn their back on God. God will never leave us been unfortunately we can leave Him. He will not make us serve Him. He gives us choices.
@@Director2024If it is really in them, we will know them by their fruit. Unless we are saying that if someone falls away from the faith, they were never there in the first place🤷🏻♀️
If someone stops believing, wouldn't that be evidence that they never truly believed? 1John 2:19 - "They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us."
No. Because redemption and salvation are two different things.
If u look at yourself and think u can ever stop believing, check your salvation and simply repent, become a sheep, that CANNOT walk away nor stop being sheep
@@mellosheepesis Repent means change of mind in Greek. Once you understand only confirms you are redeemed. You don't need to be saved to be redeemed, they are no conditions that God entrusted in the flesh.
@@Jesusisyhvh1 you've just said everything I've known for a while... but thank you, and God bless
This verse is talking about specific false teachers...it's not a general teaching about false converts. Don't read into it more than is there.
Dr. Brown beat Corey to the punch about the scriptures in John about the sheep never been lost. That's where Corey was caught off guard, because he uses that as his ace in the whole. He uses the so call rule of that scriptures. Dr. Brown knew that that's why he and others agree that of course Jesus is right in what He's saying, because Jesus just like God cannot, not know. It's we who don't know everyone who is saved or going to be saved. Corey does this debating every week with someone, but Dr. Brown isn't the one to think that he's going to not know scriptures. Yes those who agree with Corey will have his side,and those of us who agree with Dr. Brown has his. My thing is. Dr. Brown is a bad man Corey.
Dr Brown won the debate and he is correct in his understanding on salvation being lost.
Pastor Corey Minor, I thank God for you and your channel.
Please don’t waste your time and energy on people that really don’t want to Understand or admit their errors .
Some just want to come and have a debate to prove you are wrong about their teaching…. since you called them out on it…. They will come but they will never say they may have error in their teachings … not publicly at least😃💁🏽♀️
Save your time and energy for those that want to know the truth like myself and other Christians out here.
Because no matter what evidence you present to them their made up mind reply will still be: “Not True”😄 #IJS💁🏽♀️
Pastor Corey… Just shake the dust from under your feet …. and keep moving… for your peace…. and keep teaching the truth and exposing those that teach error and lead God’s people astray, Amen!
~🙏🏽❤️
Corey has also made up his mind...for now... possibly change... sure...just like the other side can change. By the way I really like Corey. But liking him does not automatically make me agree with all he says or teaches
Let's think about this. Jesus said he will never lose those the Father has given to him. So if the Father has not given to him those are lost.
Exactly. These people are beyond reason. Even if Jesus comes back now in flesh and tell them
They will reject it.
@@davesawe5346 Even worse because that is what is going to happen. Once Satan is released for a short while after the thousand year reign of Jesus there will still be enough people who don't like Jesus for the Devil to raise an Army to surround the Holy city. God will send down fire from Heaven to destroy them all.
The problem is free will, it doesn't exist in the text.
You forgot that those he will never lose are the ones who continuously in communion with him what if you stop being in communion with him he says don't steal you steal he tells don't commit adultery you commit adultery
@@Jesusisyhvh1the bible is not one text
Why would a scholar of scripture be worried about what scriptures are brought up? The scripture says to be prepared in season and out of season, correct? So Corey, I hear what you are saying about apologizing, but I feel that Dr. Brown wanted to get advanced notice of scripture when he should already know the scriptures that OSAS advocates references when they make their case for OSAS.
Corey, you should have told Micheal Brown you're charismatic and a friend of Sid Roth.
I find it hard to take him seriously while he defends the worse false teachers on the planet.
True👍
Yes that's very problematic in regards to Brown
Once saved always saved is the worst doctrine I have heard so far it gives a feelings that no matter what you do whether you repent or no God has finished saving you nothing he can do about it
@hayeschrist1 Michael Brown supports every false teacher and will not critique them even when they have the most blatant false teaching. Todd Bentley for instance, some people asked about him, and all Brown said was, I don't know, I haven't been there. He did the same with Benny Hinn, he claims ignorance of the person. He is a keeper of the wolves, and should not be listening to or taken seriously.
No one has perfect teaching, but a true teacher does not defend the false teachers. There is also a difference in being a false teacher and one who has some things wrong, that do not affect salvation. I gather you're a fan of Brown.
@hayeschrist1 Mature? No, some of us do get sick of the wolves and Christians serious about their faith like Corey, should find someone else to debate.
Jesus did try to make them believe, Corey, but they refused.
*Mat **23:37* “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, *but you were not willing!"*
*Rom **10:21* But to Israel he says:
*“All day long I have stretched out My hands*
To a disobedient and contrary people.”
Exactly...
@@nicolebrooks2876 Thanks, Nicole.
In both Psalms & Revelations it does mention that you can be blotted out of The Book of Life! The only way that can happen is that if you're in there already!!
That’s not the meaning in Greek
It's a promise that believers won't have their names blotted, not a threat
@@AtTheDockOfTheBayYou speak confusion. Doesn't matter what the Hebrew or Greek say. Since when did the Hebrew and Greek meanings have authority over holy Spirit interpretation? That's like saying there is more that one way to be saved. The holy Spirit reveal truth, that's it. You never gonna win a biblical argument about OSAS, UNLESS YOU ARE ABLE TO SEE THREE SIDES TO IT.
STOP EXPLAINING away the truth. YOU CAN KEEP YOUR SALVATION, YOU CAN MOST DEFINITELY LOSE YOUR SALVATION, AND YOU CAN GET YOUR SALVATION BACK. THINK YOU A SMART CHRISTIAN? TRY ME.
@@contendingforthefaith9897they translated the Bible from Greek and Hebrew so it does matter.
@@contendingforthefaith9897you can’t use the holy spirit as a hiding hole for your doctrine the holy spirit gave us the scripture in Greek and Hebrew and we translated them
Corey misses the point completely, sheep follow and hear only Jesus! And in Him is no sin. But Corey says he still sins. There is Corey's contradiction and he can't see it. Its not the scriptures, its him. He is deceiving himself and others.
You misunderstand the difference between sin in the flesh, sin in the spirit.. We are converted INSIDE, not the flesh.
1 John 3:8-9 ask for some insight to these verses and it will be clear to you.
@@kimwestwood8840 Romans 8:8-9, I understand, a person that walks in the flesh cannot please God. Colossians 2:11 tells me the body of flesh has been circumcised. I walk in the spirit not the flesh. There is no excuse for you to keep sinning, you want to. Self control is from the spirit.
@@user-lj8ck9bz3r Better read Romans 7 and what Paul has to say about sins of the flesh. Are you greater than Paul?
Also in 1 John 1 , which is written to believers, that if anyone says they are without sin the truth is not in them. What does that tell you? Right there clear as a bell friend.
@kimwestwood8840 I see that you do understand that in the flesh you sin, and in the spirit you don't, right? That is what Paul is saying. But you are trying to serve the spirit and the flesh, just as Paul is explaining, he was miserable, but thanked God for delivering him from this dilemma. Remember Jesus said you can't serve two masters. You have to crucify the flesh. And John is speaking to little children, new converts, so that they don't sin, otherwise later John says in 3:9 that he is born of God cannot sin, John would be contradicting himself. What is wrong with the teaching is using God to defend your sinning when you should be using it to defend not sinning. Good for evil and evil for good?
@@user-lj8ck9bz3r I don't give sinning much thought after 30 years of service to the Lord. ACtually it is in 1 John 3:8-9 you are referring to. THose verses reveal the work of the Holy Spirit INSIDE a new believer, presenting us blameless before God. John is not suggesting Christians completely stop sinning in the flesh. There are sins in our thoughts in a day we may even forget about, our bodies are dying, dead. I am a saint because of what Jesus did, His blood, not because of my abstinence of sin.
Discernment comes with study, revelation and maturity. We will have the nature of sin living in the flesh till we die. But for the transformation inside us , we can live to serve God instead of living to serve ourselves ..When Paul says crucifying our flesh that IS NOT literal ...It is transl;ated from the Greek. The word picture is our sins are buried with Jesus, our death ,as we are buried also, and raised INTO eternal life WITH HIM.
The only people who defend sinning are sinners.
Corey got Spanked. This should be relabeled. Ouch this is what I meant.
I'm shocked you'd claim you loathe formal debates not giving you time when you give away half your opening statement time.
Even now you don't get the main thrust of the complaint. If you bring up new information in closing you don't give time for the opponent to respond. The whole point of closing remarks is to wrap up and respond to all that's been presented.... And that's where you throw out extra verses.
Also, you're so hyper focused on on half of the verse, double negation of the subjunctive your FORGETTING to properly parse Akouousin which is present active indicative.
Example, if I say "people who are getting their oil changed regularly (present active indicative) will have a warranty that will last forever and ever AND EVER, and it will never ever EVER be canceled...".
If someone told you that you'd be foolish to ignore the part where he points out the whole getting regular oil changes. Why, because someone who doesn't get the oil changed doesn't have a warranty anymore.
This verse isn't the smoking gun you think it is for this very reason. You're only looking at the part you're comfortable with.
If someone says, if you follow me I'll give you a drink of water. Dosent that imply that if you don't follow that person you won't get a drink of water? It's simple to understand but your circumventing the truth.
Are babies saved? At what point do they lose their salvation as they get older?
When they have ability to know right and wrong and they decide to do wrong
You don't have to hear another voice you choose in your own head to stop following him no voice just your desire
I don't understand when the topic of eternal security comes up, roght along with it people bring up "so you can do whatever you want and still be saved?". Like, did you NOT UNDERSTAND THAT HE DIED FOR YOU? My heart has been changed in a way where i DONT WANT TO sin, but i have indwelling sin in my flesh that i fight so i do. Man, up to me? Id lose my salvation in mere seconds, im not that holy and strong. I need a savior. Thank you God for causing me to walk and act, im not strong enough to on my own.
What is stronger than the blood of Jesus? Nothing! Then is sin stronger than the blood? No! Do we keep on sinning just because there is grace? No! If that is the heart of a individual then I doubt there salvation to begin with. So if there was a true salvation then the Holy Spirit is in that person bringing about a conviction . But to think that a true salvation can be lost is basically saying the blood isn't strong enough!
Obeying is works, Dr Brown. He (and Calvinists) can't separate salvation, which is NOT OF WORKS, from discipleship and sanctification, which do have works that our Father has prepared for us to do, not our own works. If salvation was dependent on our obeying and stopping sin, no one would ever be saved.
Obedience is not our works. It’s works that Jesus did. Why did Jesus say follow Him? We are to copy what He did!
Psalms 69:28 and Revelation 3 -5 say ones name can be blotted out.
If this person was never saved how could their name be blotted out?
Sealed By God The Holy Spirit!
Ephesians 4:30 (KJV)
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Seals can be broken, and they will be broken in the case of unrepentant sin (Galatians 5:19-21)
@@mytestimonytojesuschrist Hi there thank you for answering, let’s look at this list again and follow it through;
1 Corinthians 6:9-12 (KJV) 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
@@fernandomiranda9736 First off, this is a different list, Paul said no such thing in Galatians.
Second, the verse clearly says they were washed, sanctified, which means they were no longer committing those sins. If they went back to those sins, and didn’t repent before death, then they wouldn’t be saved.
The very fact that Paul warned them of those sins in the first place, is evidence that one can lose their salvation.
@@mytestimonytojesuschrist The sins of the flesh Paul uses to contrast believers and those dead in trespasses & sins. You must separate positional vs practical truths. Please lets reason together! Thanks!
1 Corinthians 5:9-13 (KJV) 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
He is contrasting : unjust ( Lost ) Believers (Saints) Unbelievers ( Lost ) Brothers ( Believers )
1 Corinthians 6:1-11 (KJV) 1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? 2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? 4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. 5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren? 6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers. 7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather [suffer yourselves to] be defrauded? 8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that [your] brethren. 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Ephesians 5:30 (KJV) For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
That He (God The Father ) might be just and the justifier of him (the believer)
Romans 3:21-26 (KJV) 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, [I say], at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
That ARE saved
1 Corinthians 1:18 (KJV)
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
2 Corinthians 2:15 (KJV) For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:
Should we continue in sin?
Romans 6:1-2 (KJV) 1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Romans 4:1-5 (KJV) 1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath [whereof] to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Titus 3:4-7 (KJV) 4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
The judgment seat of Christ is only for believers this is not the great white throne judgment and look at the statement no matter if you build what you build. “He Himself”
1 Corinthians 3:12-15 (KJV) 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
Chose this day whom you will serve. Joshua 24:15. God gave us free will. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t save us but we have to have faith. He doesn’t force faith on us. We grow in faith when we want to grow closer to him and learn more. He doesn’t force the process. You are saved by grace through FAITH, not of works, lest any man boast. Ephesians 2:8-9. Calvinism denies free will and proceeds with the notion God forcing people. God doesn’t force anyone to do anything. It is our choice to be saved or not. That doesn’t mean we save ourselves. Once we r saved we r saved but it is not a ticket to sin because then we weren’t saved to begin with if u go back to our old lifestyle and say we have “faith. That’s dead faith. James 2 talks about that. Repent and trust in Jesus
Apostasy means renouncing faith in a religion or faith. If someone was with Jesus 13 years and died in apostasy in the 14th year, does that mean that they died in salvation? No! Read Hebrews 10 & Hebrews 12. Hebrews 11 shows is how the OT saints had faith. They obeyed God and had faith in future incarnate Jesus until they died.
God sees things before they begin. By His Spirit, why would He redeem someone, if He already knew they would walk away? God wouldn't be faultless if He purposely made a mistake or by unintentional. Now for O.S.A.S., it is just a short explanation of once you have been sealed by the Holy Spirit of God for redemption, it can not be undone, because confusing is not one of God's attributes, it's not in His divine nature.
GReat point.
In my own experience, I backslide yrs ago after my first wife committed adultery. After 7 yrs of doing everything, the string was yanked, and I once again repented and was refilled with the Holy Spirit. Therefore, you can backslide, which means you can walk away from your salvation or, once saved, always saved isn't true. There is scripture that says if you turn one back to the Lord, you've covered a multitude of sins. The fact I've done it means if I hadn't returned to the Lord, I would end up being in the bunch that Jesus would say depart from me. But, I returned to Him after my own 7 yr tribulation.
You are absolutely spot on in your opening about debates. It’s almost as if you’re going to have a formal debate that it be so limited or restricted (even down to a specific text) so that you can actually go into the depth you need to, to build the best overall case.
When watching debates on the Trinity, for example, what makes you think you’re going to make the most compelling case with a 15 minute opening statement? Entire books have been written on single verses. And we think our 15 minutes of fame is going to make a dent? It may only scratch the surface!
What really should be done, is instead of debating such broad topics, is that we save the debate stage for specific texts. This would allow for people to really build their foundation and really dig heels into the other persons arguments regarding that text. There’s so many points one could bring up regarding the Trinity that it is impossible to make the best case for such a broad topic. Make the best case for the text itself, not necessarily the (quite broad) topic.
And the same goes for OSAS. Debate a given text. Only that will allow you to really build the best case, or… rip your opponent’s apart.
I’m following you Cory and what Jesus is saying, but scripture does mention if a sheep goes astray will he (Jesus) leave the 99 for the 1? How would you compare those scriptures where they’re not contradicting? Good teaching by the way
In James 5:16, the prayer of faith will heal the believers in the future = Mark 5:34/Mark 10:52
👉The letter of James is not written to the Church.
Sooooo, What is a Back slider?
No man! you're right! You cannot lose your salvation because God is not man that he should lie of repent. As in Adam we all died, in Christ we shall all become alive. But only by grace through faith. Not of works lest any man should boast. It is the gift of God. Why do we have problems accepting this fact? Because for man this is impossible for not for God.
None of us are born saved or obedient to Christ. God must change our hearts for us to turn to him. With that being said, how can a new creature in Christ go back to being the former as though it's like a 30 day trail period?
Scripture is clear that we can't save ourselves. The Holy Spirit does the good work in us. No one who is truly saved will go back to not being saved..... plus it's not even grammatically correct.
If someone saved your life, you can't "unsave" or "undue" what that person did for you..
No we hear and believe the gospel and we are regenerated. God does not first cause us to want to believe by changing our hearts.
@BloodBoughtMinistries The Bible is clear that He chooses us first.
Wow just wow!
So what you are saying, Cory is if you denounce God and started following satan and worshipping him that you would still go to heaven?
thank you
I believe we can’t lose our salvation BUT…i do believe once we born again, we led and live by Spirit.. we don’t just throw away the grace of God and live to satisfy our flesh.
When I pray ‘In Jesus name’ It means that I pray, and believe in His character and power. If i act like a devil, how it can be relevant to the holiness of God?
Oh well… i’m not good in explaining😅
One thing i know if we are the children of light, let’s no darkness can be found in us. It’s not like we live day by day in fear that we might lose our salvation, it’s more like live day by day in His grace and mercy and to be transform by His word.
Osas has an aroma similar to the Tulip of calvanism. However osas is 💯 correct as long as it is pieced together with the other side of the discussion properly.
Why are you arguing with him? Neither of you are English scholars
Corey am with you hundred 💯 maybe this revelation is meant for a few
If the blood of Jesus is there to cancel out sin, that's the whole reason it's there to pay for sin. How can sin cancel out the blood of Jesus?
Just because you mentioned Andreas Köstenberger, he has a new book out called Biblical Theology
The "Dr.", with all his accomplishments, should not be ill prepared for anything, right??? His already lived experience as an accomplished appologist should have prepared him for just about anything that can be brought up in a debate. So he should have been the bigger person.
And don’t get me wrong. I love Dr. Brown as a Messianic Jew, I’ve learned so much from him. However, I see his Blindspot clearly.
As an ex JW i believe a person could loose salvation. Relying on my works for salvation. Being born again helps me distinguish service and salvation. So what did happen when Jesus died on the cross. Was my sin only paid so many times? Or was my sins wash away by his blood completely past present and future? Lets not confuse salvation and service.
Totally unrelated to what's being discussed, but at 08:01 in this video there's a 🐈 meowing, lol!
The problem is that this scholar, Dr.Brown, does NOT understand biblical principle. You can be an expert in the context of the Scriptures in which most religious scholars are, but if you don’t know the scriptural principle behind it, then the meaning of the words will just soar over your head. Dr. Brown’s biggest problem is that he doesn’t understand that the true biblical definition of Christian believers are the ones that commit themselves to the faith, AKA, God’s Sheep. It’s obvious the ones that do NOT continue in the faith are NOT committed Christians. But that’s just it, there is only ONE definition of God’s Sheep; it does NOT include the ones that are make-believers because if anything, they would be classified as goats. It’s interesting that some breeds of goats look almost identical to sheep. Anyway, there is a such thing as a Christian novice that loses their way, but that WOULD NOT be the biblical definition of God’s Sheep, rightly so, since they WOULD NOT be classified as “committed.” Biblical principle DOES NOT leave room for someone who’s NOT committed and still be considered as a Christian, although, the religious scholar would most likely disagree. SPECIAL NOTE FOR BRO. COREY: Please understand that our Scriptures are NOT designed for intellectual combat. Reason being, our Scritpures DO NOT go in straight-line intellectual pattern as you already know. I’m NOT trying to encourage you as a Christian to back down because Christian apologetics may be necessary depending on the circumstances. But please understand if you place our Scriptures on an academic platform, then you’re in for a “long day.” It’s like presenting biblical principle to someone who’s indoctrinated in another faith or religion, e.g., an Islamic apologist. I’m NOT saying that God won’t bless, but let’s just say you will certainly have more walls to tear down. Lord bless!!!
Are you saved until you are saved? I think maybe it’s belief, if I believe and follow Christ till the end then i am saved. James 1:12
It is important to know what being saved means. It happens at the resurrection. Until that time we are only saved by faith. Once salvation is recognised at the resurrection, we will never be lost. We will be born again of the spirit and have a glorified body that will have God's law written on our hearts. In other words we will not sin from then on. Right now we are only saved by faith, looking forward with faith to that day. We have a deposit of the spirit that helps us to live righteously as humans but we are not yet saved as we are still mortal and still sin. We struggle with flesh against spirit. When we are truly saved at the resurrection that struggle will be over. We should die daily to the flesh but that's a battle that sometimes we lose. Until the resurrection we can lose that battle of flesh v spirit, we can lose faith, we can walk away. The bible is full of encouragement to endure until the end. If we keep faith, OSAS will come into effect when we are saved, at the resurrection. Until then, keep the faith.
Bingo! This right here. It's an already but not yet reality.
You completely miss your own descriptors. My sheep follow (this is not an adjective but a verb, a willful action) the sheep “hear” ( again not an adjective). What Dr Brown argued was a perspective that those that are in Christ, that are following , are hearing, are actively partaking in the covenant are secure. Nowhere does scripture tell you that you can’t rebel or not believe after you have believed, no where does it tell you that you can’t stop following or that you can’t stop hearing or listening, on the contrary it warns against such actions at least 80 times in the New Testament and from every single writer in the New Testament.
" Nowhere does scripture tell you that you can’t rebel or not believe after you have believed". No sir. Nowhere does it tell of a "believing one" who rebels. And to the point of the passage, The verb is simply telling what sheep do. Where do we see a condition given? No where. So this is in fact descriptive of sheep. God has stated what will happen once He puts His Spirit in man. We cannot come back and say that a person will do the opposite of what God said will happen.
@@smartchristians
Demas comes to mind as a person in scripture that walked away for the love of the world in 2 Timothy 4. Jesus in the very same chapter of John as the verse that you are hanging on to and misrepresenting speaks of many disciples turning back. In fact the word prefaces to say “many of HIS disciples”.
The same Jesus that spoke the words in John 10: 28 that you are hung up on, spoke the words in John 15 where He uses the vine and branches analogy where he warns that those that do not abide or remain in Him will be cut off. Paul goes on to reflect this warning to the gentiles in Romans 11.
No where in scripture does it present salvation as something that “was given”. Instead it uses language to show that it is something that is being given through Christ. We are saved by grace through faith in the blood of Jesus Christ. That is why we are to remain in Him so that we remain in the blessing or benefit of the life giving atonement of the blood.
Faith is essential to the equation of salvation. It is a free will response to grace. The problem with trying to hang your argument on one verse is that while the verse is true, you don’t get a complete picture of the truth by ignoring those verses that are difficult for your position. Analogies pointing to sheep, vines, marriage, wheat, etc are all incomplete pictures and meant to explain or present a specific point and not represent an exhaustive explanation of the relationship between a creation that was created in the likeness of his Creator. Therefore you can’t take one analogy and ignore the rest. You can’t try to build a theological position and stake it on one verse or passage by trying to turn verbs into adjectives and ignoring other passages that are equally as true. I heard it once said, “All things are permissible through a verse taken out of context.” When you are ignoring the warnings of the same Jesus in the same book you are referencing about enduring and remaining in Him, you are indeed taking a passage out of context because you have staked a position and are twisting and turning to bend scripture to that position verses letting scripture bend your position to itself. Your position has become the authority and not the Word of God. That is a dangerous place to be.
There are 80+ warnings in the New Testament directed toward believers warning them of the consequences of falling away or not enduring til the end. Every New Testament writer has warnings about these things. You are taking one passage, twisting the context, and telling everyone to ignore those 80+ warnings because they don’t mean what they say.
One final note. I almost didn’t respond, but I noticed you highlighted your response as if you had proven something. I’m pretty sure my heels are dug in on this as are yours and I doubt any arguments are gonna be settled here. But you started your video explaining how you were going to start being more aggressive or forceful……. You might want to start with being a little more founded in scripture and willing to deal with the context of those verses. I will answer one more of your questions. You asked if those in the first century church would have had “enough” if they only had the book of John. The answer is yes, but guess what….. many of them did and none of them held to the position you are defending. Once Saved Always Saved is a concept that was literally not known by the church in its beginnings and didn’t have any major notable following until Augustine and not a huge factor until Calvin. Those first century Christians you referenced would have seen your position as nothing short of heretical.
You confuse the text as redemption is not salvation. If christ redeemed you from your sins the human act of understanding christ will save or deliver you from the law of this world, but the action of understanding or believing is separate from Christ payment. The problem you have, is that you believe in free will. Free will is a doctrine of humanistic and demonic origins. Man has no say in Gods plan. And God does not judge you for the sins of adam, he paid for it. If you distrust Gods sovereignty, you might struggle in this world not fully trusting Gods plan, but it has no bering on your redemption and the fact that Jesus Christ paid fully and took your place in the cross. If you still have a consciousness of sin, then you are not fully trusting in God's love in Christ. Anyone can lose their salvation and depart, but the relationship with christ is not based on your strength, but his love and loyalty. It is impossible for those who christ paid to lose their redemption. Those who believe so, are not fully trusting Jesus christ is God all mighty.