@TruthEvangelit doesnt look like anything. It is invisible! Same as the holy ghost who lives in you! You can't see him but you know by fsith he is there amen!
Impossible. The gift or gifts are received at conversion not later on. Dr Brown teaches a "not another gospel", Galation double cursed pronounced gospel. He preaches Christ cannot save you to the uttermost.
I spoke in tongues once. I asked God during prayer and was singing worship song, and I believed in my ask at that moment, and my tongue ( literally) went uncontrollably. I couldn’t control it and I was filled with so much joy. It was a great experience between God and I.
Amen. This is shocking to me that Christians can't understand that we serve a supernatural God. We will never have all the answers. But to tell us to quit speaking in tongues or that it means nothing but gibberish is borderline blasphemy.
Hey sister, what’s your opinion about the singular form of “tongue” (Greek word glosse) only used in a 1 Corinthians 14 and everywhere else in the Bible it’s plural “tongues” (Greek word glossais). Also, why is the “singular” form always in the negative or corrective sense?
@@wenhari06 Care to elaborate on how that compared to tongue and tongues? It’s interesting how the singular “tongue” is only mentioned in 1 cor 14 and no where else. Any time the gift is mentioned it’s used in a plural sense of “tongues”. We see it all throughout acts and cor.
@@wenhari06 Can you explain to me why the singular “tongue” is only mentioned in chapter 14 of 1 Corinthians? Why is it anytime the gift is mentioned it’s always used in the plural “tongues”? Paul only uses the singular form when correcting the misusing of the gift. Get a Bible software and check it out yourself.
Amen, he says what I found to be true, I can't get away from the text and the thing that seems foolish to non believers is many times the very thing God uses to separate us from the world and make us peculiar. Thirdly, I find resistance to something so rudimentary to be a proud issue at its core.
@Mark Horn No the resistance comes from being biblically literate. Tongues in scripture were always human languages the scriptures gibberish speakers use to justify the gibberish were actually texts of rebuke with a lot of sarcasm
Im up to 36:44 and I have to say that I thought I knew this topic well but Dr Brown has made some really interesting points that I have never heard before. Its quite a good discussion. Glad you got him on Cory. I actually listen to Dr Michael Brown a lot these days.
I have abit different interpretation than Brown, but my experience is like his lol. Prolly got the same thing. Well That is I have spoken one word that was a real word confirmed by my wife in another earthly language. I may have done it also multiple times (where others are not present). My tongues have been different at times and there is like 7000 earthly languages (?). I think U can speak both earthly languages and what dr Brown thinks. But what we see is more usual, is what he says.
I would disagree. He is intellectually dishonest. He’s redefined tongues to fit his false experience. His points are only right if the definition of tongues has changed to some mystery language. Nonetheless, from my perspective, he lacks contextual integrity and chooses to adapt his interpretation of scripture to his own false experiences. If you go back to his old teachings, he has veered far off from where he started. He now associates with heretics and false teachers. As the the old adage goes, you hang with dogs you’ll get fleas.
I'd love to see you do a response video with your thoughts on this debate! I am honestly at a point where I want someone to convince me to stop, and Corey has come close but he has too many holes in his tongues systematic. Blessings brother
@@givethanks6714 yes absolutely! Over the past 2 years I have gone through all of my beliefs and have been trying to get someone to show me where I am wrong..I am constantly listening to opposing viewpoints so that I can be sharpened....but I still haven't found a convincing argument or hermeneutic that shows me tongues are not for today or shouldn't be used privately. So far I have stepped away from WOF (some parts are valid in balance) prosperity gospel, pre- trib rapture, slight change on in women in ministry, how to understand prayer, and changed my understanding of free will (I'm not reformed) among other things....I am not quite as free acting on tongues and gifts as I once was, but no one has solid evidence against it in general. I have determined that if something is clearly wrong according to scripture then I won't do it and I will submit.
I thank God for the baptism of His Holy Spirit and the gift of tongues it's the deepest level of my relationship with Him and it kept me from falling out of faith. Thank you Dr. Brown
Great discussion. I appreciate the respect and civility between you both. I have actually enjoyed both of your ministries in the last couple of years. Keep fighting the good fight!
I’ve been following Dr. Michael Brown for a long time and I’m in total agreement with him on his position with speaking tongues. Awesome discussion. Let’s bring on Part 2.
I appreciate this discussion so much! When I was 6 years old, my parents brought me to The Lutheran Conference of the Holy Spirit in Minneapolis. During one of the children’s sessions, I remember a little old lady teaching a group of us about the gift of speaking/praying in tongues. It is such a fond memory so I’ve always been open to this gift and began using this gift at an early age. I so wish that our evangelical continuest churches would teach about these gifts to young children. It definitely shaped my life from an early age. Thank you thank for teaching on this topic!!
I went to a gathering one night and a woman started to speak in tongues and there was a visitor there that understood what she was saying. The visitor was in shock because she was speaking in his language which was High German. He stood up with tears streaming down his face. He received Christ that night. Other times, when someone spoke in tongues, there was always someone that stood up to interpret right after. In my own experience, I pray in tongues in private, but there was one occasion while I was a missionary in Thailand and I went to visit a northern hilltribe. My translator could not understand or interpret for me, but the Holy Spirit spoke through me to a woman in her hut and she accepted Jesus. The whole tribe was gathered around and listening including the chief. Many of them came to Jesus too.
@@tomtemple69I am so glad you asked! Forgive my long reply in conveying my response to you. Other than the multiple witnesses from the team I led there, and most importantly, the Holy Spirit speaking to me, later on during our stay, my liason joined us. He was unable to come sooner. He is a Thai Christian and escorted us as far up the mountain as his pickup truck could take us. He had been working with that hilltribe previously and returned with a generator and sound system so we could reach a wider audience and have a worship concert for the entire village. He spoke the tribe's dialect and Thai. He translated through my translator what the chief and other tribe members excitedly had to say to me. (Specifically, with regards to their conversions.) One of the people I spoke of in my initial comment was an older woman that was dedicated to demonic spirits while in her mother's womb, and she had tight string bracelets all the way up her arm, each representing an annual rededication as an offering to these spirits on behalf of her family. The tribe would also leave 'gifts' out to appease the spirits, so they would leave them alone. She let me cut those strings off of her arm and burn them while I sat with her in her hut immediately after she received the Holy Spirit. I was told that it was their belief that if she removed them, she would drop dead. This was conveyed to me by the Holy Spirit while it was happening, but confirmed later by my liason as well when he came to the village. In the past, they had witnessed instant death as a result with other individuals when someone messed with cutting those strings off. If they didn't leave offerings to the spirits, other bad things would befall their village. The following day, a large group of us trekked to a watering hole and baptised those that received Jesus. I have photos. To get to this village, after my liason took us up the mountain in his pickup as far as we could go, the Holy Spirit led us the rest of the way. We had to trek through rice paddies infested with snakes, climb mountains with burned forests, and cross all kinds of other terrain to get there. I only had my Bible, a manual 35mm camera, another shirt and some concentrated soap to wash my clothing. I had to walk with these items on my head when wading through the rice paddies. When God has a plan, even language barriers are no longer an issue. I had to rely 100% on the Holy Spirit as my translator and guide most of the time. I just go in faith as a willing vessel where He sends me, and trust Him to take care of the details. If I could post the photos here, I would.
@@tomtemple69 To come to Christ is to be saved or born again. In order to be born again one must have recieved the Holy Spirit because the Word says," He that hath not the Spirit of Christ are none if his"( Rom.8:9). How, in Acts ch.10, did Peter and the six with him know that the gentiles had come to Christ "." Can any man forbid baptism to these who have recieved the Holy Spirit just as we did"? How did the jews know that the gentiles had recieved the Holy Spirit ? Because they spoke in tongues just as they did when they recieved.
@@tomtemple69 Speaking in tongues occurs only after water baptism. Simply put, during the remission of sins thst occurs buring water baptism the " temple" of our bodies are cleansed. The temple of our body is cleansed as we pass through the baptismal water by the Holy Spirit and be abuse of the shed blood of Christ so that the Holy Spirit can take up permanent residence in our body. According to scripture, the only evidence given that a believer has recieved the Holy Spirit when they recieve is the speaking in tongues ( Acts ch.2,10,and ch.19). Just as natural birth is the end result of a process so is spiritual rebirth.
I think it was a good discussion and willingness to engage with a well defended, opposing point of view comes from a place of maturity and openness that brings value to all who view the exchange.
I never opined that it was a competition, but I have watched Corey engage in intellectual snobbery with individuals with inferior erudition than his. Notice that his tone is different with Michael as juxtaposed to others he engaged with about tongues.
@@TimothyC.84 Amen to that. I have been on the fence about this, and I needed to hear two sincere individuals discuss it rationally. And even when you lean one way, sometimes you may not be able to articulate it well to others. Sincere back and forth between believers who follow the rules of using the Word to support their points helps all of us organize our thoughts and weigh things better. Iron does sharpen iron.
See how they go on every positive comment towards Dr. Brown to troll... this is how you know them... by their fruit and the spirit that's influencing the mocking comments you see here on your post is the same one of the Pharisees of old. That's how you see the enemy expose himself every time, he can't keep his pride hidden. They just convince me more and more that Dr. Brown is correct.
@@danielkim672, No. What Dr. Brown did was use Scriptures and state facts. You just happen to be one of those ignorant ones who reject speaking in tongues. Suite yourself because you will go to hell if you don’t have the Holy Spirit and you don’t have the Holy Spirit if you don’t have the SIGN. Period!
I just want to commend both sides here. Especially Mr Corey Minor. I’ve followed Dr. Brown for a few months now and have only seen one video from Brother Corey. I read and study the Word more than watching any CZcams videos, but I was impressed by your humility, patience, and love throughout the conversation. May God bless you both and may the Lord be glorified ALWAYS!
I am in total agreement with Dr.Brown teaching when I received the Holyghost speaking in tongues 40 years ago he changed my life and gave me power like never before. Thank you Jesus
Me too. I was just a kid and when I received the Holy Spirit, I just started speaking in tongues. I also had so much joy and laughter that was bubbling up inside. I couldn't contain myself. I hadn't heard anyone speak in tongues before this. It was an authentic and genuine experience. It's been just over 40 years for me too. :)
@@tomtemple69There are only three instances in the new testament to where we are told of believers recieving the Holy Spirit and what happened the moment that they recieved( Acts ch.2,10,and ch.19). In each instance the first thing that happened when they recieved the Holy Spirit is that they spoke in tongues. The scriptures used the three repetitions for two reasons: 1) To alert us to the presence of an important spiritual truth. 2) To set a precident to where the same circumstance in scripture need not occur in as much detail. This is according to the time honored wsy of interpreting scriptures called the Law Of Repetition.
@@robertnieten7259 Acts 2: the Apostles had tongues of fire over their head and heard a sound like a mighty rushing wind Acts 10: it was Cornelius's house, a Gentile and they received it by hearing the gospel from Peter Acts 19: Paul laid hands on those who were disciples of John yet never even heard of the Holy Spirit, and they were not only speaking in tongues but also prophesying, that wasn't mentioned in Acts 10... every single circumstance was unique "There are only three instances in the new testament to where we are told of believers recieving the Holy Spirit" there are multiple instances of people receiving the Spirit and no tongues are mentioned do you even know why the sign of tongues exists at all? they are spoken of in the old testament, Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 14 what they are sign of your interpretation completely ignores the context of the book, the chapter, and the Bible as a whole 1 Corinthians 12: not all speak in tongues that is evident in Acts as well, and when Paul received the Spirit, there is no mention of him speaking in tongues... the ethiopian eunuch didn't speak in tongues
I agree. Looking at the chat replay though, I see many don't, and they don't even seem to have actually listened to what Dr. Brown was saying as their minds were made up. I was not exposed to tongues early, so it was strange to me and I had a bias against the concept of what seemed to be some weird thing, though I had nothing to base that opinion on. Now I have the experience of tongues, having walked away from the Lord in the interim, then returned, seeking him. God saved my life, delivered me from affliction, and during that time I became a tongues-speaking Christian. Now I have seen many healing--through my own prayers and words from the Lord, and have had many miraculous answered prayers, and the times when I've been praying and singing in tongues A LOT have been the most powerful times in my life to date! Praise the Lord! Obviously this is a contentious topic, one in which I now have to disagree with members of my family on, as they still do not believe the value of speaking in tongues, and label it gibberish the same as the fans of Smart Christian, I take it.. One good book, "Chasing the Dragon" about a young woman evangelizing in old Hong Kong, and what happened when she started to pray in tongues every day, and to encourage the new converts, many opium addicts, to do the same--and their withdrawal symptoms vanished as they received the prayer language, and they became peaceful, and able to live a life free of drugs, quickly, like, within a few days they had no more withdrawal symptoms returning. It was a powerful witness of the Holy Spirit at work--and speaking in tongues was an important part of the amazing changes in those lives of the down and out and dangerous drug criminals in that place.
I don't think so because Corey was right that either Acts 1 and 2 are demonstrating how the gift of tongues should operate or there is no biblical example which leads to all kinds of foolery in the name of Christ. Which is what we see today. Why is it that a high percentage of churches where tongues are practiced have prosperity or word of faith or demon deliverance or other non biblical madness present? If these churches are truly stewarding the gift of tongues properly they would be the most regenerated believers and all this madness would not exist.
@@soledisciple Demon-deliverance isn't Biblical?? You are categorizing all these expressions of salvation "deliver" is also "save" --"DELIVER us from evil!" :) You are a cessationist. I agree with the fact there are abuses in the various movements, categories, churches, sects, etc. The evil one sows seed. But I think you are confused if you believe the gifts of the Holy Spirit ceased. THAT is certainly not a statement you will find in the Bible. I know, I know, it's "inferred." Because it happened then and "it's not happening now." At least where you are or from your POV. It's wrong to attribute a miracle to a demon. It's also wrong to attribute to the Holy Spirit the work of a demon. BOTH are huge mistakes. And guess what, we need discernment. From...the Holy Spirit. Is it easy to discern. Every false doctrine is due to lack of discernment at least in part. The word of truth has not been rightly discerned. Many things trouble me in all sides of all the camps. Including yours. Including the prosperity gospel, etc. But you are lumping things and this is pretty well always a mistake. Whether it's lumping a group of people or whatever. It smacks of sloppy research and bias--confirmation bias and selection bias. You are lumping works of demons with works of the Holy Spirit. There ARE supernatural works of demons. There are supernatural works of the Holy Spirit. Both occur today. I lean towards the view of Andrew Strom, he has background in the charismatic and he also is critical of much of what he saw there. Firsthand experience holds some weight there, with Biblical basis. I'm not saying anyone in particular is or isn't of the devil! God will allow the weeds to grow in the field of grain, and pull them out at the end and throw them in the fire. Many beliefs, on all sides of the fence on this, are not actually Biblical, including the reform movement--lots of false beliefs in there. Such as cessationism.
Such a great video! The way dr brown explains it is really the way I understood it. Thanks for bringing him on dr Brown did an excellent job explaining the word. Thanks dr brown- pls do come back again! Love it ❤
I think dr. Brown explained it very clearly so basically meaning when your home in your secret place you're praying in tongues speaking Mysteries that only God can understand that's pretty to decipher
@@niceguy3000k Dr Brown explained his own viewpoint of it. In Greek, tongues means literally language. In Acts and 1 Corinthians 14, the use of the word tongues means an actual language. It is an absolute miracle that anyone could speak another language they never studied, and even never heard before fluently. Only with the power of the Holy Spirit could that happen. If one is speaking in tongues privately with and to God, what makes one think this is not in a language they do not know? when that individual speaks in a tongue, that will be a mystery to that person as only God would know, unless the interpretation happened as explained later in chapter 14. There is no instruction that says tongues should be only in your secret place. It should be shared as a gift. To who though? Verse 22 is clear 22 So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe. So then, how can tongues not be a language? If the gift needed to be used to reach unbelievers?
If the apostles speak languages from this world in acts 2, why there was some people who dont understand them. Some people understand them perfectly, who were god fearing jews and some dont understand them at all, who were not god fearing. They thought that the apostles were drunk, and thats how i exactly sound like, when i pray to the father in touges.
@@niceguy3000k 1 Corinthians 14:22 [22] 👉Thus tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers, 👈while prophecy is a sign not for unbelievers but for believers. How would you explain this? Tongues is for others not for yourself.
Thank you Corey for having Dr. Brown as a guest. His understanding of what took place in Acts Chapter 2 has always been my understanding of it as well. Peter was not interpreting tongues, he was highlighting it as the miraculous phenomenon prophesied by the Prophet Joel. Those who were speaking in tongues were actually speaking the languages of those gathered in Jerusalem. And the real miracle was the fact that the Galileans who did not speak those languages were able to speak them with such clarity that all of the ethnic groups gathered in Jerusalem was able to clearly understand them.
Apostle Paul spoke in Hebrew, Latin , Greek and Aramaic which was taught setting at the feet of Rabbi Gamaliel the Jewish scholar. These are the tounges Paul spoke of, an established language not gibberish which is so popular today which is no language at all.
Incorrect, but you’ll learn hopefully one day. I find it very interesting that only in countries where like Laodecia one of them is USA, you guys have those discussions. But please explain Acts 19:6. So when Paul laid hands on them they automatically got Rosetta Stone languages downloaded? What languages did they speak at that moment. Please answer…..
@@chaplainsoffice6907 so you’re saying a spiritual gift wasn’t a spiritual gift at all, just a skill someone learned? That’s really interesting because Paul called it a spiritual Gift. Meaning hat it was something the Spirit enabled someone to do. Scripture didn’t get you to that belief, and if it did,it’s because you have a terrible hermeneutic l.
He was dishonest on several points. The text does not say that Peter spoke in a language everyone understood. The text says that they all heard Peter in their own language.
@@stevenlindsey2056 And how is it that we each hear them in our own language to which we were born? - Acts 2:8 Please show us where it says "they heard Peter in their own language"
@@wenhari06 That is what Acts 2:8 is saying. They are hearing Peter preach in their own language. Do you not comprehend English or are you purposely being dishonest?
Tongues is a gift of the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit does not give bad gifts. I've had the gift since my teens but it is only in the last 10 years that I have understood how important it is. The more I pray in the Spirit the more sensitive I am to the Holy Spirit. There are different levels of tongues where it feels more like intercession and groaning referred to in Romans 8:26. Good debate
If someone has a different interpretation of the word than you, he is not twisting the word automatically. To say something like this without examples is dangerous Brother.
This was a very interesting debate. The way that Dr. Brown explained the scriptures was both enlightening and edifying. Both speakers were decent and respectful.
Thank you for debating him finally someone has. And thank you for pointing out that Muslims, Indians, Hindus Mormons all seem to have the same false gift of jibber jabber. History will tell us that all the Jews that came back from every nation in acts spoken different dialects of Greek etc. They were from every nation because they had been scattered …The True gift in acts seems to be hearing because they said how is that we hear every man….in our own language Bless u
I thought they both brought truth and it was a good discussion no matter where your belief stands although there were many points Dr Brown made with Scripture that Corey simply said we'll get back to that. Ive watched it again and picked up so much more 🙏
Corey totally misunderstood 1 Corinth 14. He just didn't see the clear picture because of his biases and false premises. It was painful to watch how stubborn he was. He just could not acknowledge the obvious in spite of Dr Brown giving him a clear explanation. I must say Corey is very opinionated which prevents him to see clearly.
Praise God For You Corey And Dr. Michael Brown, I appreciate both of you. I am just delighted that you do not continue to engage with BCV...stay in the spirit. For the record I have always prayed in the spirit only in private not publicly. We will all uncover the truth of the matter when we see Jesus. We can celebrate that we all will see Jesus because of the blood of Jesus. JESUS IS LORD...!!!
This is exactly why we have to be very careful about squabbling over secondary issues. You have two professed believers in Jesus who read from the same bible but disagree on tongues. While I believe many churches that display tongues openly with no interpreter are out of order. I don't have enough understanding or the purpose of the mystery of speaking in tongue alone. The most important thing that we ALL should seek is to surrender ALL to Jesus and live in obedience contending for the faith. Many seek signs and gifts because it makes them feel like they are on a level with God. It's a gift in itself to walk upright as close to the Lord as possible.
Great episode! Thanks so much for it! Its such a necessary topic-though tongues is just one aspect of it, the topic of the purpose and reality and necessity of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit that can only be experienced by believers. One of the biggest contextual errors that the church has made (and understandably so out of a desire to believe the word) is the concept that “every believer has the indwelling Holy Spirit when they get saved.” Why do people think this? Because verses in 1 Cor, Eph etc have an apostle speaking to the audience saying things like “you are the temple…” and “the Spirit that dwells” “abides” etc. So whats wrong with that? The original audience all had the same experience we see in Acts: every time preaching about the gospel is done the ministers always make sure that they receive the Spirit after their conversion. So, this may be shocking to some, but look at the promise for you behind it: all of the epistles were written to people who ALL had this experience. If one hasn’t had this experience, they won’t understand many of the verses. The NT after Acts simply was not written to people who didn’t have this experience. It was Christs norm-but a lot of people dont “wait…to be endued with power from on high” and they rush out not being able to demonstrate the gospel of the Kingdom. Case in point: some of the “suggested understandings” of verses by those who reject this experience as opposed to how they are understood and experienced daily by those who have. Wanna freak out a bit? Look at what Paul told the Galatians in Ch 3 was their security that the Mosaic covenant was over and that they were correct in the doctrine. Look at what faith v works is for real-not about “salvation” but about did they by faith or works R _____ the S_____.” Oooh its good.
Dr Brown is right on, we understand the scripture the same way and we never met. When I pray in the Spirit, I think I speak in many dialects. I don`t understand the words but it sounds like different languages. I don`t understand French or Russian but I can tell they are different languages. I am not a good speaker in my native language English, but when I speak in tongues I can speak very fluently and with power. Even though I don`t understand the words I speak sometimes I know for what or who I am praying for. I can pray in the Spirit with unbelievable urgency and power that I can`t duplicate in english.
Respect to Corey for bringing Brown on- but easy win for Brown. Sadly Corey had to use “private interpretation” to make his exegesis work. Come back to the baptism of the Spirit brother :)
Very true I’m praying he repents of his own private interpretations. Dr Brown was very clear that not 1 Greek translator agrees with his interpretation 🤦🏾♂️
Totally agree! Brown is sticking to the Word … bc he has Spiritual insight ( the Holy Ghost) Corey seems to be speaking from a carnal perspective.. it’s veryyyy evident Corey does have the Holy Ghost… not saying in any disrespectful way… but saying bc of his views… 🙏
@@dontracy8924 Dr Brown, is clearly twisting Scripture and tells outright lies. Brown sticks to the Word, but it is a very twisted version of it. Creates his own theology.
@@danielkim672 I just find it interesting that you say Dr brown is twisting scripture when he is simply going with the plain reading of the text. It is Cory that is adding so much to the text it’s not even funny. Furthermore, everytime brown pressed Cory on certain points, instead of talking about them, Cory said, “We’ll come back to that.”
I enjoy listening to Dr Brown debates, they edify my spirit and make me proud to be a believer. I like Mr. Minor I like his Gino Jennings videos, but he is kicking against the prick (Acts 9:5)
It's really good to see Dr Brown appearing on Corey's CZcams. I'm not fully convinced that Corey is really a biblical continuationist. Had he not made that statement he sounds very much like a cessationist to me. Shout out from the uk 🇬🇧
Very good talk, He was constantly dodging when Dr. Brown mentioned "speaking mysteries onto God", Tongues are definitely of use for today and are a private prayer language to God alone
the thing s he has done a teaching on what that means it was for the purpose of keeping the conversation about the topic they were discussing. he knew dr brown disagreed so instead wanted to come to a common understanding first.
yup, its ONE gift, and not everyone gets it im sick of the eisegesis that justifies the "private prayer language that everyone gets" is a separate gift
@@lalonguecarabine4952 many charismatics claim that speaking in tongues is a different gift than speaking in tongues first off Paul says IF i pray in tongue(hypothetical) only my spirit prays and the mind is unfruitful therefore if you do speak or pray or sing in a tongue, pray that you may interpret so that everyone can know what is being said and can be edified by it
Good discussion . I had a very vexing experience after a short lived 'tongues' experience, which 'mystical' ( closing off ones mind.. similar to New Age contemplative practices today ) methods where employed ( based on coaching of Charismatics and their literature of that time ) Sensed I LOST Salvation and Peace after being drawn into ONENESS Doctrine of their interpretation of Acts 2:38, in which water Baptism servs as a conduit of the Blood of Christ... Therefore one cannot be saved unless one gets water Baptised by Oneness Pastor with Tongues as proof of HOLY SPIRIT indwelling. But even then, according to their doctrine on must maintain works to KEEP Salvation, which Most Trinitarian Charismatics hold to. Before my tongues experience I had many encounters with cults like 'The WAY', JW, LDS, Swedenborgain.. which I had enough discernment to sense their errors. If a discerning Christian questions ant so called manifestation of the Miraculous , they get accused ( guilt tripped ) of "committing the Unpardonable Sin " Its my conviction that many who fall for charismatic theology fall into a spirit of fear if they question their theology. Fear of the Unpardonable sin is the glue that many Charismatics get into emotional bondage and loose their effectiveness in Chrisitan Witness. My brief experience with tongues was most sincere in the motive of a 'closer' walk with Jesus Christ, but was mere gibberish nevertheless. To my shame there was a very 'cocky' spiritual pride during that short time. I had unshakable understanding and assurance of Salvation prior to this mishap. Maybe Dr Brown's experience is different from mine. Maybe Tongues draw Dr Brown closer to GOD and Service for HIM. My experience was just opposite. I won't argue either cessationist or continuation of Tongues. I cannot deny however of the bad fruit of many charismatic ministries despite the hype and blitz. ( Non Charismatics ..Calvinists, 7th Day, RC, SBC, have their issues also ) Charismatic hype is always been the majority in Chrisitan TV since 1970s. Most Charismatics deny Eternal Security of Born Again believer. If that's true, then I'm once again on the road to Hell despite the promise of Eternal Security I sensed the moment I trusted Christ a few years prior to my tongues experience. How anyone can be truly happy and joyful in the LORD with out this precious promise is beyond me. "Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven." Luke 10:20
I tried to read as much as you are saying cuz I'm at work. I didnt have the new age tongues experience but within the charismatic church I was caught up in "clearing your mind" new age doctrine that has infiltrated the false church. I grew up with that fear of questioning because its commiting the unpardonable. I am a cessationism and believe that God will use any gift he wants in current days. So that would mean tongues or healing or anything else God wants to do because he is God. But it's only for a purpose. I believe the apostolic gifts have ceased because the foundation cannot be laid twice. The cannon is closed. Dr Brown is too loose with this in my opinion and there tends to be a belittling of the authority of scripture as a result.
I asked God for the baptism of the Holy Spirit when I was a new believer at 20years. Spoke in tongues ever since. Wonderful experience. I have prayed for many received the same experience. Bro Cory please go back to tongues. Dr Brown spot on.
Yup. I'm with Brown's natural reading of Acts 2 here, that Peter wasn't interpreting what the people say when they speak in tongue but EXPLAINING - and then proceeding to preach Christ - what was happening to the people who speak in tongue ✔️ and thanks Corey for the good discussion/conversation ❤
@@TimothyC.84 1 Corinthians 14:2. It’s a tongue that God understands…. And persons who have the gift of interpretation…… I respect Corey’s “take” but according to the scriptures Brown is on point.
I never heard about tongues until I went to a large church meeting where the congregation was asked by the travelling preacher if they wanted to learn the practice. All missionaries had to spend time with their potential converts before they could share an understandable Gospel. We do not have testimonies of European missionaries speaking in ‘unknowable tongues’ to reach their foreign tongues. Why do we have sign language experts next to speakers these days. Couldn’t God simply speak into the heart of the deaf? Thank goodness for the clarity of Dr Brown, in the name of Christ.
Bros I can only tell you me experience about Tongues. Tongues is for now, I remember an incident, I was working for some solictors. Attending Lunar house interviewing immigrants coming so he could help them with their problems. It was 4 afternoon was going to the solicitors office with my notes. I was the only one on the platform all of a sudden I started to speak in Tongues it was amazing then I started to interpret and The English was pure Praises to God, it sounded poetic. Went to church told my pastor he said I was interpreted. Another I was going to buy chocolates, my mouth just opened. I could not control it, I had to put my hands to my mouth. These are two occasions and I know we need to go on with Tongues. Please go on praying in tongues. Please use your prayer language, if it was not for today, Holy Spirit would not open my mouth and pray. I went thru a time after that and satan keep telling me that I am talking gibberish, and I stopped praying less and less in Tongues. Holy Spirit is the power. Please don't give it up in your prayer language. Let Holy Spirit guide you. Don't listen to anyone, but Holy Spirit.
he spoke multiple languages as in Greek(mother tongue), Hebrew and most likely Aramaic. He didnt go into one place where they spoke another language, aside from these three.
U Yes this makes sense. When he says he speaks more tongues than any of you. He spoke more language than anyone else as well as tongues that the Holy spirit gave to understand new languages.
@@Jonathan-tw4xm after explaining in 1 Cor 14:2,14 that when he prays/speaks in tongues he doesn't understand what he is saying. Speaking in multiple worldly languages with your mind is not a spiritual gift, it is a mental talent.
That was a great discussion with Dr Brown..I didn't expect Dr Brown to suggest Corey to speak in tongues tho. May father has been a pastor for at least 45 years and sometimes i would hear him pray to himself sometimes while he would be in his bedroom.. it's just that every minister I see on TV they always speak in tongues and nobody understands it. I've never been able to speak in tongues and I noticed some others don't either. In fact Marcus Rogers mocked All Parr for not being able to speak in tongues as well.. overall, great discussion I'd say..
That’s the issue, you think that seeing a couple of people on tv means it’s the majority of the world, just how now a days females look at all these Instagram models and think the whole world looks like that besides themselves and need to accommodate, I believe in tongues but I also don’t speak it and it’s fine, we all have different gifts.
Marcus Rogers, the real fake prophet that twist scripute like a pretzel to fit his own theology. Dr Brown is not like Marcus, but even here, you can see him twisting Scripture to fit his theology on tongues.
Glad that two men of God who might disagree can actually have a conversation and no disgusting disparaging attacks on character...when it is done in love
I was praying in the back yard on 7/30/23 i started crying out to God i asked Jesus to take out the anger thats been controlling my life for a while for years. I started throwing up then i started to roar sure people thought i was loosing my mind then i started to speak in different languages i was trying to speak i couldn’t understand what i was saying no matter what i said but i do know this I WAS PRAISING Jesus i know that for a fact because i could not stop pointing at the sky i couldn’t stop crying i was like a baby again i don’t want to go back i cant go back please pray for me it was tongues i know it was. I hope it was
@@cephasrock9175 that's okay if you disagree, it still doesn't change what I believe to be the case. Moreover, I can easily say that you believe otherwise because you're biased. Do you see how that works? Dr. Brown outclassed Corey.
Have you never had a preacher of Bible study leader that was so knowledgable they had your head spinning. I did. He could make anyone believe anything using the Bible and he wasn't half a ssmart as Brown. Be careful people.
Hebrews 6 , explains Spiritually Dull. I say this with Love Corey, "Go back to your gifts of the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues again". We need more Spiritually ignited people. Much Love SSIC (STAY STRONG IN CHRIST)🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾❤️❤️❤️
@@lamontpayton9153 You have to explain how 1 Corinthians 14:33 applies to Corey. I think that applies to Dr Brown as Michael's teachings are twisting Bible text.
@@danielkim672 All I can say is that the Holy Spirit gives joy, peace,love,gentleness , patience, faithfulness and self control. If you want to listen to Corey, fine. I'm not a follower of Man, I'm a follower of Jesus Christ (My Lord and Savior) and if we're following the examples of Christ, we don't have time to sit on You Tube everyday looking for someone's fault. God looks beyond the faults of Man and sees the needs. Much Love SSIC(STAY STRONG IN CHRIST)🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾❤️❤️❤️
@@lamontpayton9153 Wait, a youtube commentor is rebuking me on youtube for making youtube comments? It is not about looking for faults in people. I don't know Dr Brown personally, so I am not looking for faults about him personally. It is about his PUBLIC teaching, which is false. so we , as Christians are taught to rebuke. Who said I was a follower of Corey? Corey is a teacher of the Word, and I listen to him as well as many others. I have listened to many many Dr Brown teachings too. It is not like I listen to only people I agree with. I have to invest time in folks like Dr Brown as well.
How do you know your tongue was real? Did you understand what you were saying? Do you know someone with the gift of interpretation that if they heard you, they could retell it in English? Do you speak in tongues to unbelievers to share the Gospel when needed as the Bible instructions us to if we have the gift?
All I will say to you as sure as christ is real what he revealed, blessed me with gifted me with was real and he left no doubt in me exactly what happened. I take it you have not received this?
@@theebluecollarworker750 Satan masquerades as an Angel of Light. You could have channeled another spirit thinking it was God because you’re spiritually deceived. 😂
@@theebluecollarworker750 No, I have not the gift of tongues. As in the BIble, tongues was used and instructed to be used for Evangelism. Where I am at right now, I use English language to Evangelize. I answered your question, will you answer mine? Do you understand what you are saying when speaking in tongues? Tongues and Interpretation are two different gifts. So if you do not have the gift of interpretation, even YOU will not understand what you are saying. 1 Corinthians 14:22 22 So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe. The Bible is Clear in Acts 2, tongues was used to Evangelize. The instructions are clear here that the tongues, are a sign not for believers to benefit from , but unbelievers. It shows unbelievers some of the true power and promise of God through our Holy Spirit and brings people to Jesus Christ our Lord.
@@danielkim672 Amen! You made your claim perfectly clear...but everyone is not open to receiving it, and that's okay, we don't all have to agree; but I appreciate and value my gift from God! But you showed great restraint and patience in your replies! Keep loving as Christ has commanded us to do!🙏🤗💞
Michael was supporting Paul’s correction of the Corinthians public use, which is still true today because tongues are definitely abused in the public sense.
Nope not at all. The more I listen and learn the more I side eye Dr. Michael Brown. I realize Corey is the one who’s most correct. A example of Michael mistake @ 43:31
@@cephasrock9175 I think Corey explanation of Act 2 is forced and flawed. I respect both me, but the plain reading of the text lends itself more to Dr. Brown's view rather than Corey's. To suggest that Peter's preaching was a demonstration of the gift of interpretation is a bridge too far and is simply not what the plain reading of the text would yield.
I remember John Wimber saying that after he got saved in a Quaker church, he started to read the Bible. He asked the pastor “when do we get to do the stuff?” He was referring to the miracles, signs, and wonders that Jesus said will follow the believers and to what the early church were doing in the Bible. For John that included tongues.
It’s not your job to know, if you get it then you get it, but you can’t deny what’s obvious, if someone starts speaking in tongues for the first time out of the blue how will you explain that? They themselves would be at awe.
You’re right it’s my job is to follow the scriptures. Since it’s not my job to discern, I’ll ignore your experience and obey what I know is clear in scripture.
The Holy Spirit flows upon and throughout you and then it begings to flow .. Can't explain it and once given it comea more natural and over time he adds to it and gives interpretation as well .. From ky experience when I do receive interpretation its Gods promises being spoken over me and his protection etc... Ask God and the Holy Spirit to baptise you and give you tongues of fire ...
@@TonyaA7 Can you provide support for these views in the Bible. It is so amusing to me EVERYONE wants to gift of tongues but NO ONE wants the gift of interpretation. Tonya, who do you know that can interpret tongues?
Dr.Brown is very incorrect by saying “ίνα” is a simple “that”. ίνα always introduces a dependent clause by staying “IN ORDER THAT” or “SO THAT”. Or “for the PURPOSE of”. He may be a Hebrew scholar, but not being able to recognize a purpose/result clause introduced by the conjunction ίνα shows that he cannot reliably break down the Greek.
I speak in tongues and the language I speak does not sound like anyone I know. I didn't believe that I was actually speaking in tongues because it wasn't no shaka-laka-laka, hahaha
@@vazgl100 apostle Paul said I speak in tongues more than all of u and when he speaks in tongues his spirit speaks mysteries onto God and no man understands him. It's in the word of God. Just open up and ask God to give you the gift. If it his will he will give it to you.
@@vazgl100 so why did he say in a tongue no man can understand but God?? I don't understand how Christians are fighting the word of God makes no sense to me. If it's a foreign language, how come nobody can understand it?
@@mrbuckz788 It's often due to ignorance, incorrect teaching or the enemy influencing people that it's not real, because he (Satan) knows the benefit and building up that is ours when we pray/sing in the Spirit via tongues. Further, it's obvious, he doesn't want us to experience the wonderful presence of God with joy that comes from speaking in tongues!
@@mrbuckz788when someone who got confirmed gift of tongue for example spanish will pray in church where nobody understand or is no translation from Spanish only God will understand his prayer...
@@sisterbecky411 The Holy Spirit clearly would not be giving us a gift to talk Gibberish. No one is saying the Holy Spirit is the one talking like this.
Corey 🙌🏽💕 much respect brother! Tongues is for the purpose of sharing the gospel. FYI to the ones in the back…when angels speak - they speak in the language that the hearer speaks. It’s not some unknown, non-human, angelic language.
@@nadiak9983 I believe in the gift of tongues and the gift of interpretation. All I have seen though, is people lying and faking the gift of tongues and ZERO individuals showing the gift of interpretation. If you know someone personally with the gift of interpretation, where are they?
@@danielkim672 You probably won’t believe it..But people at my church can interpret the gifts of tongues. There are even people on youtube who have testimonies of just being able to discern tounges at some point in their walk with Christ. Your problem is you’re generalizing Charismatic churches. Every denomination has corruptness within it… TRUST ME. I grew up baptist doubting all this stuff just like you, until one day God literally overflowed me with his spirit and I went from saying “Thank you thank you, to uttering unknown words” This is my genuine testimony. And the feeling was warm and tangible. My God is alive and speaks back to me, my God cannot be figured out because he works in mysterious ways. My God has called & speaks to me in dreams and visions, gives me gifts and does more than just teach and correct me. I serve the creator of the Universe & nothing is impossible for him. This is available to every believer, sometimes we just have to put our pride aside….
@@nadiak9983 Testimonies of being able to 'discern tongues'. I have no idea what you are trying to say there. The gift of interpretation is a gift, just like the gift of tongues. Someone with the gift of tongues will be able to speak fluently in a language. The person with the gift of tongues will be able to interpret that 'supernatural' gift. EVERYTIME. Not just sometimes, but if someone has the gift of tongues and it is being used, and at the same time there is someone with the gift of interpretation, they will be able to interpret. That is what the Bible teaches. God can not be figured out? Why Did God give us the BIble then? Everything else you said is your feelings. Have no Biblical support. You have the pride and ego for telling people these things are happening when they are not. We are supposed to test every spirit, as Paul teaches us, that even the Evil One will DISGUISE himself as a good spirit. Are you getting deceived unfortunately. God's ways to us believers are NOT MYSTERIOUS, as God revealed what He wanted to reveal to us in the BIble. Everything else about God outside the Bible is truly unknown and God has not revealed that to anyone in history that He did not want to make known to the rest of the world. My God speaks to me as well. But then I can not find support for that in the Bible, I know I made it up or the evil one is trying to deceive. Discernment is just that, and the only way to properly Discern is with the Bible. I will keep Biblical things Biblical. I pray you will one day trust in the Living Word of God fully, not just where it fits your idea on FEELINGS on how things should work and what makes you FEEL GOOD AND GODLY.
See i visited a few charismatic churches and was encouraged to just speak gibberish and trust the holy spirit would make it make sense. I'm not opposed to being given a gift from the spirit but can't fake it till I make it. It seems blasphemous to me. I've been guided a few times in my life. Also had had prayers directly answered. There was no doubt where or who it came from. When God gives you something you dont need to fake it.
Exactly. And why would you have to practice a gift? It would come natural... but seen many examples of these charismatics trying to teach people how to speak in tounge... Blasphemous is a good description.
Speaking in a different languages is only a gift if you understand what you are saying. If everyone in the congregation speak English why would you not speak English? Apostle Paul spoke Hebrew, Latin, Greek and Aramaic, these are the language Paul spoke of a KNOWN language.
I use to be skeptical like Bro. Corey and Allen Parr. Then i received this wonderful gift from God. Thank you Jesus!
What does your gift look like if I may ask?
Amen same here
@TruthEvangelit doesnt look like anything. It is invisible! Same as the holy ghost who lives in you! You can't see him but you know by fsith he is there amen!
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Impossible. The gift or gifts are received at conversion not later on. Dr Brown teaches a "not another gospel", Galation double cursed pronounced gospel. He preaches Christ cannot save you to the uttermost.
I spoke in tongues once. I asked God during prayer and was singing worship song, and I believed in my ask at that moment, and my tongue ( literally) went uncontrollably. I couldn’t control it and I was filled with so much joy. It was a great experience between God and I.
"It's not by might (intellect) nor by power, but by My Spirit, says the Lord."
Amen. This is shocking to me that Christians can't understand that we serve a supernatural God. We will never have all the answers. But to tell us to quit speaking in tongues or that it means nothing but gibberish is borderline blasphemy.
LOVE Dr. Michael Brown. He's truly a powerful, anointed and well educated man of God! 🙏💪
Hey sister, what’s your opinion about the singular form of “tongue” (Greek word glosse) only used in a 1 Corinthians 14 and everywhere else in the Bible it’s plural “tongues” (Greek word glossais).
Also, why is the “singular” form always in the negative or corrective sense?
@@ShepherdMinistry ever considered the singular form of FRUIT of the spirit vs FRUITS?
@@wenhari06 Care to elaborate on how that compared to tongue and tongues?
It’s interesting how the singular “tongue” is only mentioned in 1 cor 14 and no where else. Any time the gift is mentioned it’s used in a plural sense of “tongues”. We see it all throughout acts and cor.
@@ShepherdMinistry in short the singular or pleural forms do not strengthen or weaken either the continuationist or cessationist positions.
@@wenhari06 Can you explain to me why the singular “tongue” is only mentioned in chapter 14 of 1 Corinthians? Why is it anytime the gift is mentioned it’s always used in the plural “tongues”? Paul only uses the singular form when correcting the misusing of the gift.
Get a Bible software and check it out yourself.
Dr. Brown has draw me to use my Heavenly language more ❤love both of you men of God
But he has no scriptural backing for gibberish
Amen, he says what I found to be true, I can't get away from the text and the thing that seems foolish to non believers is many times the very thing God uses to separate us from the world and make us peculiar. Thirdly, I find resistance to something so rudimentary to be a proud issue at its core.
@@godlygirls62 watch it again
@Mark Horn No the resistance comes from being biblically literate. Tongues in scripture were always human languages the scriptures gibberish speakers use to justify the gibberish were actually texts of rebuke with a lot of sarcasm
@@godlygirls62 once again, rewatch the video, and actually listen to it!
Im up to 36:44 and I have to say that I thought I knew this topic well but Dr Brown has made some really interesting points that I have never heard before. Its quite a good discussion. Glad you got him on Cory. I actually listen to Dr Michael Brown a lot these days.
I have abit different interpretation than Brown, but my experience is like his lol. Prolly got the same thing.
Well That is I have spoken one word that was a real word confirmed by my wife in another earthly language. I may have done it also multiple times (where others are not present). My tongues have been different at times and there is like 7000 earthly languages (?). I think U can speak both earthly languages and what dr Brown thinks. But what we see is more usual, is what he says.
I would disagree. He is intellectually dishonest. He’s redefined tongues to fit his false experience. His points are only right if the definition of tongues has changed to some mystery language. Nonetheless, from my perspective, he lacks contextual integrity and chooses to adapt his interpretation of scripture to his own false experiences. If you go back to his old teachings, he has veered far off from where he started. He now associates with heretics and false teachers. As the the old adage goes, you hang with dogs you’ll get fleas.
I'd love to see you do a response video with your thoughts on this debate! I am honestly at a point where I want someone to convince me to stop, and Corey has come close but he has too many holes in his tongues systematic. Blessings brother
@@beaberean3286 stop speaking in tongues?
@@givethanks6714 yes absolutely! Over the past 2 years I have gone through all of my beliefs and have been trying to get someone to show me where I am wrong..I am constantly listening to opposing viewpoints so that I can be sharpened....but I still haven't found a convincing argument or hermeneutic that shows me tongues are not for today or shouldn't be used privately.
So far I have stepped away from WOF (some parts are valid in balance) prosperity gospel, pre- trib rapture, slight change on in women in ministry, how to understand prayer, and changed my understanding of free will (I'm not reformed) among other things....I am not quite as free acting on tongues and gifts as I once was, but no one has solid evidence against it in general.
I have determined that if something is clearly wrong according to scripture then I won't do it and I will submit.
I thank God for the baptism of His Holy Spirit and the gift of tongues it's the deepest level of my relationship with Him and it kept me from falling out of faith.
Thank you Dr. Brown
Great discussion. I appreciate the respect and civility between you both. I have actually enjoyed both of your ministries in the last couple of years. Keep fighting the good fight!
This was such a good conversation/debate!!
I’ve been following Dr. Michael Brown for a long time and I’m in total agreement with him on his position with speaking tongues. Awesome discussion. Let’s bring on Part 2.
I appreciate this discussion so much! When I was 6 years old, my parents brought me to The Lutheran Conference of the Holy Spirit in Minneapolis. During one of the children’s sessions, I remember a little old lady teaching a group of us about the gift of speaking/praying in tongues. It is such a fond memory so I’ve always been open to this gift and began using this gift at an early age. I so wish that our evangelical continuest churches would teach about these gifts to young children. It definitely shaped my life from an early age. Thank you thank for teaching on this topic!!
Thank you for this respectful and informative dialogue.
I went to a gathering one night and a woman started to speak in tongues and there was a visitor there that understood what she was saying. The visitor was in shock because she was speaking in his language which was High German. He stood up with tears streaming down his face. He received Christ that night. Other times, when someone spoke in tongues, there was always someone that stood up to interpret right after. In my own experience, I pray in tongues in private, but there was one occasion while I was a missionary in Thailand and I went to visit a northern hilltribe. My translator could not understand or interpret for me, but the Holy Spirit spoke through me to a woman in her hut and she accepted Jesus. The whole tribe was gathered around and listening including the chief. Many of them came to Jesus too.
so how did you know they came to Christ if you couldn't understand them?
@@tomtemple69I am so glad you asked! Forgive my long reply in conveying my response to you. Other than the multiple witnesses from the team I led there, and most importantly, the Holy Spirit speaking to me, later on during our stay, my liason joined us. He was unable to come sooner. He is a Thai Christian and escorted us as far up the mountain as his pickup truck could take us. He had been working with that hilltribe previously and returned with a generator and sound system so we could reach a wider audience and have a worship concert for the entire village. He spoke the tribe's dialect and Thai. He translated through my translator what the chief and other tribe members excitedly had to say to me. (Specifically, with regards to their conversions.)
One of the people I spoke of in my initial comment was an older woman that was dedicated to demonic spirits while in her mother's womb, and she had tight string bracelets all the way up her arm, each representing an annual rededication as an offering to these spirits on behalf of her family. The tribe would also leave 'gifts' out to appease the spirits, so they would leave them alone. She let me cut those strings off of her arm and burn them while I sat with her in her hut immediately after she received the Holy Spirit. I was told that it was their belief that if she removed them, she would drop dead. This was conveyed to me by the Holy Spirit while it was happening, but confirmed later by my liason as well when he came to the village. In the past, they had witnessed instant death as a result with other individuals when someone messed with cutting those strings off. If they didn't leave offerings to the spirits, other bad things would befall their village.
The following day, a large group of us trekked to a watering hole and baptised those that received Jesus. I have photos. To get to this village, after my liason took us up the mountain in his pickup as far as we could go, the Holy Spirit led us the rest of the way. We had to trek through rice paddies infested with snakes, climb mountains with burned forests, and cross all kinds of other terrain to get there. I only had my Bible, a manual 35mm camera, another shirt and some concentrated soap to wash my clothing. I had to walk with these items on my head when wading through the rice paddies.
When God has a plan, even language barriers are no longer an issue. I had to rely 100% on the Holy Spirit as my translator and guide most of the time. I just go in faith as a willing vessel where He sends me, and trust Him to take care of the details. If I could post the photos here, I would.
@@tomtemple69 To come to Christ is to be saved or born again.
In order to be born again one must have recieved the Holy Spirit because the Word says," He that hath not the Spirit of Christ are none if his"( Rom.8:9).
How, in Acts ch.10, did Peter and the six with him know that the gentiles had come to Christ "." Can any man forbid baptism to these who have recieved the Holy Spirit just as we did"?
How did the jews know that the gentiles had recieved the Holy Spirit ?
Because they spoke in tongues just as they did when they recieved.
@@robertnieten7259 so you have to speak in tongues prior to baptism? Are you not saved unless you speak in tongues?
@@tomtemple69 Speaking in tongues occurs only after water baptism. Simply put, during the remission of sins thst occurs buring water baptism the " temple" of our bodies are cleansed.
The temple of our body is cleansed as we pass through the baptismal water by the Holy Spirit and be abuse of the shed blood of Christ so that the Holy Spirit can take up permanent residence in our body.
According to scripture, the only evidence given that a believer has recieved the Holy Spirit when they recieve is the speaking in tongues ( Acts ch.2,10,and ch.19).
Just as natural birth is the end result of a process so is spiritual rebirth.
I knew when Corey wanted to debate Michael Brown that he was trying to bite off more than he can chew.
I think it was a good discussion and willingness to engage with a well defended, opposing point of view comes from a place of maturity and openness that brings value to all who view the exchange.
Who said it was a competition. What happened to iron sharpening iron?
I never opined that it was a competition, but I have watched Corey engage in intellectual snobbery with individuals with inferior erudition than his. Notice that his tone is different with Michael as juxtaposed to others he engaged with about tongues.
@@shawnshell5961 That’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it. But to say Dr. Brown was right on this one is clear bias.
@@TimothyC.84 Amen to that. I have been on the fence about this, and I needed to hear two sincere individuals discuss it rationally. And even when you lean one way, sometimes you may not be able to articulate it well to others. Sincere back and forth between believers who follow the rules of using the Word to support their points helps all of us organize our thoughts and weigh things better. Iron does sharpen iron.
Dr Brown makes a good case based on the scriptures. Good debate, Corey.
Dr. Brown made a good case based on how twisting of scriptures.
@@danielkim672 Right!!!
See how they go on every positive comment towards Dr. Brown to troll... this is how you know them... by their fruit and the spirit that's influencing the mocking comments you see here on your post is the same one of the Pharisees of old. That's how you see the enemy expose himself every time, he can't keep his pride hidden. They just convince me more and more that Dr. Brown is correct.
@@danielkim672, No. What Dr. Brown did was use Scriptures and state facts. You just happen to be one of those ignorant ones who reject speaking in tongues. Suite yourself because you will go to hell if you don’t have the Holy Spirit and you don’t have the Holy Spirit if you don’t have the SIGN. Period!
@@clarenceljackson2137, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS. COREY DOES NOT HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT so therefore he is struggling with Tongues.
I just want to commend both sides here. Especially Mr Corey Minor. I’ve followed Dr. Brown for a few months now and have only seen one video from Brother Corey. I read and study the Word more than watching any CZcams videos, but I was impressed by your humility, patience, and love throughout the conversation. May God bless you both and may the Lord be glorified ALWAYS!
Everyone either hates the gifts or those who love the gifts, love it too much.
You got to be balance.
I am in total agreement with Dr.Brown teaching when I received the Holyghost speaking in tongues 40 years ago he changed my life and gave me power like never before. Thank you Jesus
Me too. I was just a kid and when I received the Holy Spirit, I just started speaking in tongues. I also had so much joy and laughter that was bubbling up inside. I couldn't contain myself. I hadn't heard anyone speak in tongues before this. It was an authentic and genuine experience. It's been just over 40 years for me too. :)
@@JaneofArc where is that in the Bible tho?
@@tomtemple69There are only three instances in the new testament to where we are told of believers recieving the Holy Spirit and what happened the moment that they recieved( Acts ch.2,10,and ch.19).
In each instance the first thing that happened when they recieved the Holy Spirit is that they spoke in tongues.
The scriptures used the three repetitions for two reasons:
1) To alert us to the presence of an important spiritual truth.
2) To set a precident to where the same circumstance in scripture need not occur in as much detail.
This is according to the time honored wsy of interpreting scriptures called the Law Of Repetition.
@@robertnieten7259 Acts 2: the Apostles had tongues of fire over their head and heard a sound like a mighty rushing wind
Acts 10: it was Cornelius's house, a Gentile and they received it by hearing the gospel from Peter
Acts 19: Paul laid hands on those who were disciples of John yet never even heard of the Holy Spirit, and they were not only speaking in tongues but also prophesying, that wasn't mentioned in Acts 10...
every single circumstance was unique
"There are only three instances in the new testament to where we are told of believers recieving the Holy Spirit"
there are multiple instances of people receiving the Spirit and no tongues are mentioned
do you even know why the sign of tongues exists at all? they are spoken of in the old testament, Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 14 what they are sign of
your interpretation completely ignores the context of the book, the chapter, and the Bible as a whole
1 Corinthians 12: not all speak in tongues
that is evident in Acts as well, and when Paul received the Spirit, there is no mention of him speaking in tongues...
the ethiopian eunuch didn't speak in tongues
@@brianlakieth yes, real human languages they had never learned before
I pray for understanding for us all.
Amen
Amen
God bless you both men of God
I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation.
Fantastic conversation. I would say Dr. Brown's position is expressed in stronger and more biblical terms.
Dr Brown is a better debater but he has twisted the Bible to fit his own theology. He is totally in the wrong and is a fake.
I agree. Looking at the chat replay though, I see many don't, and they don't even seem to have actually listened to what Dr. Brown was saying as their minds were made up. I was not exposed to tongues early, so it was strange to me and I had a bias against the concept of what seemed to be some weird thing, though I had nothing to base that opinion on.
Now I have the experience of tongues, having walked away from the Lord in the interim, then returned, seeking him. God saved my life, delivered me from affliction, and during that time I became a tongues-speaking Christian. Now I have seen many healing--through my own prayers and words from the Lord, and have had many miraculous answered prayers, and the times when I've been praying and singing in tongues A LOT have been the most powerful times in my life to date!
Praise the Lord! Obviously this is a contentious topic, one in which I now have to disagree with members of my family on, as they still do not believe the value of speaking in tongues, and label it gibberish the same as the fans of Smart Christian, I take it.. One good book, "Chasing the Dragon" about a young woman evangelizing in old Hong Kong, and what happened when she started to pray in tongues every day, and to encourage the new converts, many opium addicts, to do the same--and their withdrawal symptoms vanished as they received the prayer language, and they became peaceful, and able to live a life free of drugs, quickly, like, within a few days they had no more withdrawal symptoms returning. It was a powerful witness of the Holy Spirit at work--and speaking in tongues was an important part of the amazing changes in those lives of the down and out and dangerous drug criminals in that place.
I don't think so because Corey was right that either Acts 1 and 2 are demonstrating how the gift of tongues should operate or there is no biblical example which leads to all kinds of foolery in the name of Christ. Which is what we see today. Why is it that a high percentage of churches where tongues are practiced have prosperity or word of faith or demon deliverance or other non biblical madness present? If these churches are truly stewarding the gift of tongues properly they would be the most regenerated believers and all this madness would not exist.
@@soledisciple agreed
@@soledisciple Demon-deliverance isn't Biblical?? You are categorizing all these expressions of salvation "deliver" is also "save" --"DELIVER us from evil!" :) You are a cessationist. I agree with the fact there are abuses in the various movements, categories, churches, sects, etc. The evil one sows seed. But I think you are confused if you believe the gifts of the Holy Spirit ceased. THAT is certainly not a statement you will find in the Bible. I know, I know, it's "inferred." Because it happened then and "it's not happening now." At least where you are or from your POV.
It's wrong to attribute a miracle to a demon. It's also wrong to attribute to the Holy Spirit the work of a demon. BOTH are huge mistakes. And guess what, we need discernment. From...the Holy Spirit.
Is it easy to discern. Every false doctrine is due to lack of discernment at least in part. The word of truth has not been rightly discerned.
Many things trouble me in all sides of all the camps. Including yours. Including the prosperity gospel, etc.
But you are lumping things and this is pretty well always a mistake. Whether it's lumping a group of people or whatever. It smacks of sloppy research and bias--confirmation bias and selection bias. You are lumping works of demons with works of the Holy Spirit.
There ARE supernatural works of demons. There are supernatural works of the Holy Spirit. Both occur today. I lean towards the view of Andrew Strom, he has background in the charismatic and he also is critical of much of what he saw there. Firsthand experience holds some weight there, with Biblical basis.
I'm not saying anyone in particular is or isn't of the devil! God will allow the weeds to grow in the field of grain, and pull them out at the end and throw them in the fire.
Many beliefs, on all sides of the fence on this, are not actually Biblical, including the reform movement--lots of false beliefs in there. Such as cessationism.
This is soooo good! Thank you Dr. Brown.
I loved this, this was amazing.
Such a great video! The way dr brown explains it is really the way I understood it. Thanks for bringing him on dr Brown did an excellent job explaining the word. Thanks dr brown- pls do come back again! Love it ❤
So u disagree with Corey's view??
I think dr. Brown explained it very clearly so basically meaning when your home in your secret place you're praying in tongues speaking Mysteries that only God can understand that's pretty to decipher
@@niceguy3000k Dr Brown explained his own viewpoint of it. In Greek, tongues means literally language. In Acts and 1 Corinthians 14, the use of the word tongues means an actual language. It is an absolute miracle that anyone could speak another language they never studied, and even never heard before fluently. Only with the power of the Holy Spirit could that happen. If one is speaking in tongues privately with and to God, what makes one think this is not in a language they do not know? when that individual speaks in a tongue, that will be a mystery to that person as only God would know, unless the interpretation happened as explained later in chapter 14. There is no instruction that says tongues should be only in your secret place. It should be shared as a gift. To who though? Verse 22 is clear
22 So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe.
So then, how can tongues not be a language? If the gift needed to be used to reach unbelievers?
If the apostles speak languages from this world in acts 2, why there was some people who dont understand them. Some people understand them perfectly, who were god fearing jews and some dont understand them at all, who were not god fearing. They thought that the apostles were drunk, and thats how i exactly sound like, when i pray to the father in touges.
@@niceguy3000k 1 Corinthians 14:22
[22] 👉Thus tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers, 👈while prophecy is a sign not for unbelievers but for believers.
How would you explain this? Tongues is for others not for yourself.
Thank you Corey for having Dr. Brown as a guest. His understanding of what took place in Acts Chapter 2 has always been my understanding of it as well. Peter was not interpreting tongues, he was highlighting it as the miraculous phenomenon prophesied by the Prophet Joel. Those who were speaking in tongues were actually speaking the languages of those gathered in Jerusalem. And the real miracle was the fact that the Galileans who did not speak those languages were able to speak them with such clarity that all of the ethnic groups gathered in Jerusalem was able to clearly understand them.
Thank God for people like Michael Brown! Great explanation of speaking in tongues. Agreed 100%
Amen to that!
i think dr brown is wrong on this one. they need to cover this topic properly, go through the greek. start at acts 2.
Apostle Paul spoke in Hebrew, Latin , Greek and Aramaic which was taught setting at the feet of Rabbi Gamaliel the Jewish scholar.
These are the tounges Paul spoke of, an established language not gibberish which is so popular today which is no language at all.
Incorrect, but you’ll learn hopefully one day. I find it very interesting that only in countries where like Laodecia one of them is USA, you guys have those discussions. But please explain Acts 19:6. So when Paul laid hands on them they automatically got Rosetta Stone languages downloaded? What languages did they speak at that moment. Please answer…..
@@chaplainsoffice6907 so you’re saying a spiritual gift wasn’t a spiritual gift at all, just a skill someone learned? That’s really interesting because Paul called it a spiritual Gift. Meaning hat it was something the Spirit enabled someone to do. Scripture didn’t get you to that belief, and if it did,it’s because you have a terrible hermeneutic l.
Love it Dr Brown. Spot on!
Dr Brown was excellent in breaking down every point to the max.
He was dishonest on several points. The text does not say that Peter spoke in a language everyone understood. The text says that they all heard Peter in their own language.
@@stevenlindsey2056it doesnt say they all heard Peter in their own language. Lets be Christian enough to be honest
@@wenhari06 It most certainly does. Read Acts 2:8 that is precisely what it says. Let's be Christian enough to be honest.
@@stevenlindsey2056 And how is it that we each hear them in our own language to which we were born?
- Acts 2:8
Please show us where it says "they heard Peter in their own language"
@@wenhari06 That is what Acts 2:8 is saying. They are hearing Peter preach in their own language. Do you not comprehend English or are you purposely being dishonest?
I actually really enjoyed this conversation!
Tongues is a gift of the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit does not give bad gifts. I've had the gift since my teens but it is only in the last 10 years that I have understood how important it is. The more I pray in the Spirit the more sensitive I am to the Holy Spirit. There are different levels of tongues where it feels more like intercession and groaning referred to in Romans 8:26. Good debate
I agree and have experienced what you are talking about.
Amen and agreed!
THANK YOU DR. BROWN!
This Michael guy is on it !!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥 line upon line … precept upon precept …here alil there alil 🤷♂️ ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Great debate, Dr Brown explain the scriptures very well
He slightly twists scripture very well.
If someone has a different interpretation of the word than you, he is not twisting the word automatically. To say something like this without examples is dangerous Brother.
If you pay attention closely Corey couldn’t answer a few questions that Dr.Brown asked.
@@brovaahood you can say that on both sides. Sometimes answers to questions get lost in a debate
@@brovaahood While you can say that on both sides, I would agree Dr Brown is a better debator than Corey right now.
Love both of these brothers ministry!
I would be very weary of Dr Brown and his support of Sid Roth and many false teachers/prophets.
@@theouterplanet I understand!
Amazing. Learnt a lot from both sides.
You 2 guys are great, and it makes me realize I need to read my Bible a lot more.
WONDERFUL and THE BEST CONCLUSION!.... GOD bless you! :)
I truly high another level of respect for Dr. Brown
digging the Mr. Rogers setting. All we need is a news paper and some coffee
This was a very interesting debate. The way that Dr. Brown explained the scriptures was both enlightening and edifying. Both speakers were decent and respectful.
Thank you for debating him finally someone has. And thank you for pointing out that Muslims, Indians, Hindus Mormons all seem to have the same false gift of jibber jabber.
History will tell us that all the Jews that came back from every nation in acts spoken different dialects of Greek etc. They were from every nation because they had been scattered …The True gift in acts seems to be hearing because they said how is that we hear every man….in our own language
Bless u
Thank you Corey for bringing so many good points, aspects and ending the conversation in based truth of tongues. God Bless you dear brother🕊️
I thought they both brought truth and it was a good discussion no matter where your belief stands although there were many points Dr Brown made with Scripture that Corey simply said we'll get back to that. Ive watched it again and picked up so much more 🙏
@@72nyyfan Amen!
Corey totally misunderstood 1 Corinth 14. He just didn't see the clear picture because of his biases and false premises.
It was painful to watch how stubborn he was. He just could not acknowledge the obvious
in spite of Dr Brown giving him a clear explanation.
I must say Corey is very opinionated which prevents him to see clearly.
This was good, as someone still on The fence on what to do.
Praise God For You Corey And Dr. Michael Brown, I appreciate both of you. I am just delighted that you do not continue to engage with BCV...stay in the spirit. For the record I have always prayed in the spirit only in private not publicly. We will all uncover the truth of the matter when we see Jesus. We can celebrate that we all will see Jesus because of the blood of Jesus. JESUS IS LORD...!!!
What do you mean when you say..."pray in the Spirit"?
You don’t have to speak in tongues you get to speak in tongues. You don’t have to have a sword and crossbow to go into a battle you get to have one!
This is exactly why we have to be very careful about squabbling over secondary issues. You have two professed believers in Jesus who read from the same bible but disagree on tongues. While I believe many churches that display tongues openly with no interpreter are out of order. I don't have enough understanding or the purpose of the mystery of speaking in tongue alone. The most important thing that we ALL should seek is to surrender ALL to Jesus and live in obedience contending for the faith. Many seek signs and gifts because it makes them feel like they are on a level with God. It's a gift in itself to walk upright as close to the Lord as possible.
Great episode! Thanks so much for it! Its such a necessary topic-though tongues is just one aspect of it, the topic of the purpose and reality and necessity of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit that can only be experienced by believers.
One of the biggest contextual errors that the church has made (and understandably so out of a desire to believe the word) is the concept that “every believer has the indwelling Holy Spirit when they get saved.” Why do people think this? Because verses in 1 Cor, Eph etc have an apostle speaking to the audience saying things like “you are the temple…” and “the Spirit that dwells” “abides” etc. So whats wrong with that?
The original audience all had the same experience we see in Acts: every time preaching about the gospel is done the ministers always make sure that they receive the Spirit after their conversion. So, this may be shocking to some, but look at the promise for you behind it: all of the epistles were written to people who ALL had this experience. If one hasn’t had this experience, they won’t understand many of the verses. The NT after Acts simply was not written to people who didn’t have this experience. It was Christs norm-but a lot of people dont “wait…to be endued with power from on high” and they rush out not being able to demonstrate the gospel of the Kingdom.
Case in point: some of the “suggested understandings” of verses by those who reject this experience as opposed to how they are understood and experienced daily by those who have. Wanna freak out a bit? Look at what Paul told the Galatians in Ch 3 was their security that the Mosaic covenant was over and that they were correct in the doctrine. Look at what faith v works is for real-not about “salvation” but about did they by faith or works R _____ the S_____.”
Oooh its good.
Dr Brown is right on, we understand the scripture the same way and we never met. When I pray in the Spirit, I think I speak in many dialects. I don`t understand the words but it sounds like different languages. I don`t understand French or Russian but I can tell they are different languages. I am not a good speaker in my native language English, but when I speak in tongues I can speak very fluently and with power. Even though I don`t understand the words I speak sometimes I know for what or who I am praying for. I can pray in the Spirit with unbelievable urgency and power that I can`t duplicate in english.
Respect to Corey for bringing Brown on- but easy win for Brown. Sadly Corey had to use “private interpretation” to make his exegesis work. Come back to the baptism of the Spirit brother :)
Really ?
Very true I’m praying he repents of his own private interpretations. Dr Brown was very clear that not 1 Greek translator agrees with his interpretation 🤦🏾♂️
Dr Brown showed that he Twists Scripture and is false. Clearly in this videos and others.
Totally agree! Brown is sticking to the Word … bc he has Spiritual insight ( the Holy Ghost) Corey seems to be speaking from a carnal perspective.. it’s veryyyy evident Corey does have the Holy Ghost… not saying in any disrespectful way… but saying bc of his views… 🙏
@@dontracy8924 Dr Brown, is clearly twisting Scripture and tells outright lies. Brown sticks to the Word, but it is a very twisted version of it. Creates his own theology.
Dr. Brown was brilliant 👏🏽
Dr Brown is a brillant debater and brillant at presenting twisting of Scritpure
@@danielkim672 you mean brilliant at presenting scripture.
@@travisrosenthal398 Okay, i fixed it
@@danielkim672 I just find it interesting that you say Dr brown is twisting scripture when he is simply going with the plain reading of the text. It is Cory that is adding so much to the text it’s not even funny. Furthermore, everytime brown pressed Cory on certain points, instead of talking about them, Cory said, “We’ll come back to that.”
@@travisrosenthal398 HE is twisting Scripture as his plain reading of the text is wrong and not Biblical
I enjoy listening to Dr Brown debates, they edify my spirit and make me proud to be a believer. I like Mr. Minor I like his Gino Jennings videos, but he is kicking against the prick (Acts 9:5)
This was good. It’s like watching one of the sports talk shows but for theology lol
Respect to these brethren. What a powerful and confusing message to any new believers, I hope they’re not watching. 😉
It's really good to see Dr Brown appearing on Corey's CZcams. I'm not fully convinced that Corey is really a biblical continuationist. Had he not made that statement he sounds very much like a cessationist to me. Shout out from the uk 🇬🇧
Wow, this was really good debate right here 💯.
This was phenomenal Family debate, do more.
Very good talk, He was constantly dodging when Dr. Brown mentioned "speaking mysteries onto God", Tongues are definitely of use for today and are a private prayer language to God alone
the thing s he has done a teaching on what that means it was for the purpose of keeping the conversation about the topic they were discussing. he knew dr brown disagreed so instead wanted to come to a common understanding first.
yup, its ONE gift, and not everyone gets it
im sick of the eisegesis that justifies the "private prayer language that everyone gets" is a separate gift
@@tomtemple69 Separate from what?
@@lalonguecarabine4952 many charismatics claim that speaking in tongues is a different gift than speaking in tongues
first off Paul says IF i pray in tongue(hypothetical) only my spirit prays and the mind is unfruitful
therefore if you do speak or pray or sing in a tongue, pray that you may interpret so that everyone can know what is being said and can be edified by it
@@tomtemple69 You should try that one again, you made multiple mistakes in the quotation and frankly I don't know what your point is.
Good discussion . I had a very vexing experience after a short lived 'tongues' experience, which 'mystical' ( closing off ones mind.. similar to New Age contemplative practices today ) methods where employed ( based on coaching of Charismatics and their literature of that time ) Sensed I LOST Salvation and Peace after being drawn into ONENESS Doctrine of their interpretation of Acts 2:38, in which water Baptism servs as a conduit of the Blood of Christ... Therefore one cannot be saved unless one gets water Baptised by Oneness Pastor with Tongues as proof of HOLY SPIRIT indwelling. But even then, according to their doctrine on must maintain works to KEEP Salvation, which Most Trinitarian Charismatics hold to. Before my tongues experience I had many encounters with cults like 'The WAY', JW, LDS, Swedenborgain.. which I had enough discernment to sense their errors.
If a discerning Christian questions ant so called manifestation of the Miraculous , they get accused ( guilt tripped ) of "committing the Unpardonable Sin " Its my conviction that many who fall for charismatic theology fall into a spirit of fear if they question their theology. Fear of the Unpardonable sin is the glue that many Charismatics get into emotional bondage and loose their effectiveness in Chrisitan Witness.
My brief experience with tongues was most sincere in the motive of a 'closer' walk with Jesus Christ, but was mere gibberish nevertheless. To my shame there was a very 'cocky' spiritual pride during that short time.
I had unshakable understanding and assurance of Salvation prior to this mishap.
Maybe Dr Brown's experience is different from mine. Maybe Tongues draw Dr Brown closer to GOD and Service for HIM. My experience was just opposite.
I won't argue either cessationist or continuation of Tongues. I cannot deny however of the bad fruit of many charismatic ministries despite the hype and blitz. ( Non Charismatics ..Calvinists, 7th Day, RC, SBC, have their issues also ) Charismatic hype is always been the majority in Chrisitan TV since 1970s.
Most Charismatics deny Eternal Security of Born Again believer. If that's true, then I'm once again on the road to Hell despite the promise of Eternal Security I sensed the moment I trusted Christ a few years prior to my tongues experience. How anyone can be truly happy and joyful in the LORD with out this precious promise is beyond me.
"Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven."
Luke 10:20
I tried to read as much as you are saying cuz I'm at work. I didnt have the new age tongues experience but within the charismatic church I was caught up in "clearing your mind" new age doctrine that has infiltrated the false church. I grew up with that fear of questioning because its commiting the unpardonable. I am a cessationism and believe that God will use any gift he wants in current days. So that would mean tongues or healing or anything else God wants to do because he is God. But it's only for a purpose. I believe the apostolic gifts have ceased because the foundation cannot be laid twice. The cannon is closed. Dr Brown is too loose with this in my opinion and there tends to be a belittling of the authority of scripture as a result.
I asked God for the baptism of the Holy Spirit when I was a new believer at 20years. Spoke in tongues ever since. Wonderful experience. I have prayed for many received the same experience. Bro Cory please go back to tongues. Dr Brown spot on.
Well done Dr Brown. You were very clear and concise.
Yup. I'm with Brown's natural reading of Acts 2 here, that Peter wasn't interpreting what the people say when they speak in tongue but EXPLAINING - and then proceeding to preach Christ - what was happening to the people who speak in tongue ✔️ and thanks Corey for the good discussion/conversation ❤
Browns a heretic
@@bibleman7757… and your evidence?
That’s neither here nor there. Tongues are still a language.
@@TimothyC.84 1 Corinthians 14:2. It’s a tongue that God understands…. And persons who have the gift of interpretation…… I respect Corey’s “take” but according to the scriptures Brown is on point.
@@sdonald83 It’s not saying that it’s a good thing to be speaking to God and not men since the purpose of tongues is to edify the church.
Please have Dr. Brown back for a part 2, this was absolutely incredible!!
I never heard about tongues until I went to a large church meeting where the congregation was asked by the travelling preacher if they wanted to learn the practice.
All missionaries had to spend time with their potential converts before they could share an understandable Gospel. We do not have testimonies of European missionaries speaking in ‘unknowable tongues’ to reach their foreign tongues.
Why do we have sign language experts next to speakers these days. Couldn’t God simply speak into the heart of the deaf?
Thank goodness for the clarity of Dr Brown, in the name of Christ.
Total victory for Dr Brown
Bros I can only tell you me experience about Tongues. Tongues is for now, I remember an incident, I was working for some solictors. Attending Lunar house interviewing immigrants coming so he could help them with their problems. It was 4 afternoon was going to the solicitors office with my notes. I was the only one on the platform all of a sudden I started to speak in Tongues it was amazing then I started to interpret and The English was pure Praises to God, it sounded poetic. Went to church told my pastor he said I was interpreted. Another I was going to buy chocolates, my mouth just opened. I could not control it, I had to put my hands to my mouth. These are two occasions and I know we need to go on with Tongues. Please go on praying in tongues. Please use your prayer language, if it was not for today, Holy Spirit would not open my mouth and pray.
I went thru a time after that and satan keep telling me that I am talking gibberish, and I stopped praying less and less in Tongues. Holy Spirit is the power. Please don't give it up in your prayer language. Let Holy Spirit guide you. Don't listen to anyone, but Holy Spirit.
It is also a historical fact that Paul was well educated and spoke multiple languages.
He didn’t speak all languages though..
he spoke multiple languages as in Greek(mother tongue), Hebrew and most likely Aramaic. He didnt go into one place where they spoke another language, aside from these three.
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Yes this makes sense. When he says he speaks more tongues than any of you. He spoke more language than anyone else as well as tongues that the Holy spirit gave to understand new languages.
@@Jonathan-tw4xm after explaining in 1 Cor 14:2,14 that when he prays/speaks in tongues he doesn't understand what he is saying. Speaking in multiple worldly languages with your mind is not a spiritual gift, it is a mental talent.
@@richardnewell8478 no your wrong
That was a great discussion with Dr Brown..I didn't expect Dr Brown to suggest Corey to speak in tongues tho. May father has been a pastor for at least 45 years and sometimes i would hear him pray to himself sometimes while he would be in his bedroom.. it's just that every minister I see on TV they always speak in tongues and nobody understands it. I've never been able to speak in tongues and I noticed some others don't either. In fact Marcus Rogers mocked All Parr for not being able to speak in tongues as well.. overall, great discussion I'd say..
That’s the issue, you think that seeing a couple of people on tv means it’s the majority of the world, just how now a days females look at all these Instagram models and think the whole world looks like that besides themselves and need to accommodate, I believe in tongues but I also don’t speak it and it’s fine, we all have different gifts.
Marcus Rogers, the real fake prophet that twist scripute like a pretzel to fit his own theology. Dr Brown is not like Marcus, but even here, you can see him twisting Scripture to fit his theology on tongues.
Good explanation Dr Brown
Glad that two men of God who might disagree can actually have a conversation and no disgusting disparaging attacks on character...when it is done in love
what about the verse that says "tongues is NOT a sign for the BELIEVER BUT for the UNBELIEVER"
I was praying in the back yard on 7/30/23 i started crying out to God i asked Jesus to take out the anger thats been controlling my life for a while for years. I started throwing up then i started to roar sure people thought i was loosing my mind then i started to speak in different languages i was trying to speak i couldn’t understand what i was saying no matter what i said but i do know this I WAS PRAISING Jesus i know that for a fact because i could not stop pointing at the sky i couldn’t stop crying i was like a baby again i don’t want to go back i cant go back please pray for me it was tongues i know it was. I hope it was
Sounds like you got delivered and filled with the Holy Spirit to me.
@@eriksloan4509that’s what happened
What a testimony
Never heard or read anyone in the bible do that.
Dr. Brown took this round.
No way
@@danielkim672 all the way.
@@Brother_Dre1900 I wholeheartedly disagree. If you’re claiming Dr Brown won it’s because you’re biased
@@Brother_Dre1900 Dr Brown is clearly twisting Scripture to suit his won theology. It is crystal clear.
@@cephasrock9175 that's okay if you disagree, it still doesn't change what I believe to be the case. Moreover, I can easily say that you believe otherwise because you're biased.
Do you see how that works?
Dr. Brown outclassed Corey.
As usual, Michael Brown gives us excellent clarity directly from the Scripture.
Have you never had a preacher of Bible study leader that was so knowledgable they had your head spinning. I did. He could make anyone believe anything using the Bible and he wasn't half a ssmart as Brown. Be careful people.
🎉Hey that was awesome 👌🏾 👏🏾 👍🏾 😍
Hebrews 6 , explains Spiritually Dull. I say this with Love Corey, "Go back to your gifts of the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues again". We need more Spiritually ignited people.
Much Love
SSIC (STAY STRONG IN CHRIST)🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾❤️❤️❤️
Spiritually dull LOL. Cmon. Corey is Biblically right. Dr Brown twisted Scriptue to fit his theology.
@@danielkim672 1 Corinthians 14:33🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
@@lamontpayton9153 You have to explain how 1 Corinthians 14:33 applies to Corey. I think that applies to Dr Brown as Michael's teachings are twisting Bible text.
@@danielkim672 All I can say is that the Holy Spirit gives joy, peace,love,gentleness , patience, faithfulness and self control. If you want to listen to Corey, fine. I'm not a follower of Man, I'm a follower of Jesus Christ (My Lord and Savior) and if we're following the examples of Christ, we don't have time to sit on You Tube everyday looking for someone's fault. God looks beyond the faults of Man and sees the needs.
Much Love
SSIC(STAY STRONG IN CHRIST)🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾❤️❤️❤️
@@lamontpayton9153 Wait, a youtube commentor is rebuking me on youtube for making youtube comments? It is not about looking for faults in people. I don't know Dr Brown personally, so I am not looking for faults about him personally. It is about his PUBLIC teaching, which is false. so we , as Christians are taught to rebuke. Who said I was a follower of Corey? Corey is a teacher of the Word, and I listen to him as well as many others. I have listened to many many Dr Brown teachings too. It is not like I listen to only people I agree with. I have to invest time in folks like Dr Brown as well.
Great hearing two men of God speak ,I have to say I'm a believer in tounges when I spoke it there is no denying that was real without question
How do you know your tongue was real? Did you understand what you were saying? Do you know someone with the gift of interpretation that if they heard you, they could retell it in English? Do you speak in tongues to unbelievers to share the Gospel when needed as the Bible instructions us to if we have the gift?
All I will say to you as sure as christ is real what he revealed, blessed me with gifted me with was real and he left no doubt in me exactly what happened. I take it you have not received this?
@@theebluecollarworker750 Satan masquerades as an Angel of Light. You could have channeled another spirit thinking it was God because you’re spiritually deceived. 😂
@@theebluecollarworker750 No, I have not the gift of tongues. As in the BIble, tongues was used and instructed to be used for Evangelism. Where I am at right now, I use English language to Evangelize. I answered your question, will you answer mine? Do you understand what you are saying when speaking in tongues? Tongues and Interpretation are two different gifts. So if you do not have the gift of interpretation, even YOU will not understand what you are saying.
1 Corinthians 14:22
22 So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe.
The Bible is Clear in Acts 2, tongues was used to Evangelize. The instructions are clear here that the tongues, are a sign not for believers to benefit from , but unbelievers. It shows unbelievers some of the true power and promise of God through our Holy Spirit and brings people to Jesus Christ our Lord.
@@danielkim672 Amen! You made your claim perfectly clear...but everyone is not open to receiving it, and that's okay, we don't all have to agree; but I appreciate and value my gift from God! But you showed great restraint and patience in your replies! Keep loving as Christ has commanded us to do!🙏🤗💞
Dr Brown actually supports the theory that Paul was correcting them against using or speaking in tongues if not every one can understand.
Michael was supporting Paul’s correction of the Corinthians public use, which is still true today because tongues are definitely abused in the public sense.
@Christopher Hayes
You are absolutely right. .
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How did you get him to do this? Awesome stuff!
Corey bit off more then he can chew hah. Uttering mysteries to God by the spirit is for today!
Lol wow, Corey was in over his "BALD" head today. eh Saints?? lol
How so? Or is it that you disagree and therefore you make that statement
Nope not at all. The more I listen and learn the more I side eye Dr. Michael Brown. I realize Corey is the one who’s most correct.
A example of Michael mistake @ 43:31
He was but I give credit for Corey for trying. Not too many can hang with,Dr. Brown so no shame in losing to him.
@@cephasrock9175 I think Corey explanation of Act 2 is forced and flawed. I respect both me, but the plain reading of the text lends itself more to Dr. Brown's view rather than Corey's. To suggest that Peter's preaching was a demonstration of the gift of interpretation is a bridge too far and is simply not what the plain reading of the text would yield.
@@anthonym.7653 Dr Brown is a better debatore, but Corey presented the Biblical truths and Dr Brown twisted scripture to fit his theology.
I remember John Wimber saying that after he got saved in a Quaker church, he started to read the Bible. He asked the pastor “when do we get to do the stuff?” He was referring to the miracles, signs, and wonders that Jesus said will follow the believers and to what the early church were doing in the Bible. For John that included tongues.
Wonderful discussion.
The problem is, how do we know today’s tongues is the actual tongues of the early church.
It’s not your job to know, if you get it then you get it, but you can’t deny what’s obvious, if someone starts speaking in tongues for the first time out of the blue how will you explain that? They themselves would be at awe.
You’re right it’s my job is to follow the scriptures. Since it’s not my job to discern, I’ll ignore your experience and obey what I know is clear in scripture.
The Holy Spirit flows upon and throughout you and then it begings to flow .. Can't explain it and once given it comea more natural and over time he adds to it and gives interpretation as well ..
From ky experience when I do receive interpretation its Gods promises being spoken over me and his protection etc...
Ask God and the Holy Spirit to baptise you and give you tongues of fire ...
@@nathanielotu4189 100% brother. Dont let people twisting Scripture like Dr Brown sway you.
@@TonyaA7 Can you provide support for these views in the Bible. It is so amusing to me EVERYONE wants to gift of tongues but NO ONE wants the gift of interpretation. Tonya, who do you know that can interpret tongues?
Dr.Brown is very incorrect by saying “ίνα” is a simple “that”. ίνα always introduces a dependent clause by staying “IN ORDER THAT” or “SO THAT”. Or “for the PURPOSE of”. He may be a Hebrew scholar, but not being able to recognize a purpose/result clause introduced by the conjunction ίνα shows that he cannot reliably break down the Greek.
I so wish we had time, but he missed that. That is a fairly easy answer , but he simply was wrong about that word
Great topic!
Priceless
I speak in tongues and the language I speak does not sound like anyone I know. I didn't believe that I was actually speaking in tongues because it wasn't no shaka-laka-laka, hahaha
It could be something else you made up 😅
Corey's academic influence is causing the clear rendering of the stated text to be blurred.
The men I really respect
1 Corinthians 14:33
“For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.”
Amen Dr Brown i do pray Corey speaks in tongues again . When im in the secret place praying in my room, i have to speak in tongues.
@@vazgl100 yes he will, tongues is praying in spirit mysteries , that only God understands . So both are good, don't know why tongues is frowned upon.
@@vazgl100 apostle Paul said I speak in tongues more than all of u and when he speaks in tongues his spirit speaks mysteries onto God and no man understands him. It's in the word of God. Just open up and ask God to give you the gift. If it his will he will give it to you.
@@vazgl100 so why did he say in a tongue no man can understand but God?? I don't understand how Christians are fighting the word of God makes no sense to me. If it's a foreign language, how come nobody can understand it?
@@mrbuckz788 It's often due to ignorance, incorrect teaching or the enemy influencing people that it's not real, because he (Satan) knows the benefit and building up that is ours when we pray/sing in the Spirit via tongues. Further, it's obvious, he doesn't want us to experience the wonderful presence of God with joy that comes from speaking in tongues!
@@mrbuckz788when someone who got confirmed gift of tongue for example spanish will pray in church where nobody understand or is no translation from Spanish only God will understand his prayer...
With much respect, I still don't understand or would like to know from scripture, where can i find hfbakdhy to be tongues
lol! exactly 😭😭
@@sisterbecky411 The Holy Spirit clearly would not be giving us a gift to talk Gibberish. No one is saying the Holy Spirit is the one talking like this.
"...for the natural man understands not the things of God, neither can he, because they're spiritually discerned."
Corey 🙌🏽💕 much respect brother! Tongues is for the purpose of sharing the gospel.
FYI to the ones in the back…when angels speak - they speak in the language that the hearer speaks. It’s not some unknown, non-human, angelic language.
All gifts are exploding and there is massive explosion of Tongues now because we are getting closer to the end.
Massive explosion in tongues? Why is there not a massive explosion on the gift of interpretation then?
@@danielkim672 There is. You all just have unbelief.
@@nadiak9983 I believe in the gift of tongues and the gift of interpretation. All I have seen though, is people lying and faking the gift of tongues and ZERO individuals showing the gift of interpretation. If you know someone personally with the gift of interpretation, where are they?
@@danielkim672 You probably won’t believe it..But people at my church can interpret the gifts of tongues. There are even people on youtube who have testimonies of just being able to discern tounges at some point in their walk with Christ. Your problem is you’re generalizing Charismatic churches. Every denomination has corruptness within it… TRUST ME. I grew up baptist doubting all this stuff just like you, until one day God literally overflowed me with his spirit and I went from saying “Thank you thank you, to uttering unknown words” This is my genuine testimony. And the feeling was warm and tangible. My God is alive and speaks back to me, my God cannot be figured out because he works in mysterious ways. My God has called & speaks to me in dreams and visions, gives me gifts and does more than just teach and correct me. I serve the creator of the Universe & nothing is impossible for him. This is available to every believer, sometimes we just have to put our pride aside….
@@nadiak9983 Testimonies of being able to 'discern tongues'. I have no idea what you are trying to say there. The gift of interpretation is a gift, just like the gift of tongues. Someone with the gift of tongues will be able to speak fluently in a language. The person with the gift of tongues will be able to interpret that 'supernatural' gift. EVERYTIME. Not just sometimes, but if someone has the gift of tongues and it is being used, and at the same time there is someone with the gift of interpretation, they will be able to interpret. That is what the Bible teaches.
God can not be figured out? Why Did God give us the BIble then? Everything else you said is your feelings. Have no Biblical support. You have the pride and ego for telling people these things are happening when they are not. We are supposed to test every spirit, as Paul teaches us, that even the Evil One will DISGUISE himself as a good spirit. Are you getting deceived unfortunately. God's ways to us believers are NOT MYSTERIOUS, as God revealed what He wanted to reveal to us in the BIble. Everything else about God outside the Bible is truly unknown and God has not revealed that to anyone in history that He did not want to make known to the rest of the world.
My God speaks to me as well. But then I can not find support for that in the Bible, I know I made it up or the evil one is trying to deceive. Discernment is just that, and the only way to properly Discern is with the Bible. I will keep Biblical things Biblical. I pray you will one day trust in the Living Word of God fully, not just where it fits your idea on FEELINGS on how things should work and what makes you FEEL GOOD AND GODLY.
See i visited a few charismatic churches and was encouraged to just speak gibberish and trust the holy spirit would make it make sense. I'm not opposed to being given a gift from the spirit but can't fake it till I make it. It seems blasphemous to me. I've been guided a few times in my life. Also had had prayers directly answered. There was no doubt where or who it came from. When God gives you something you dont need to fake it.
Almost all these folks are faking it as they don't want egg on their face admitting they were lying for 30 years.
Exactly. And why would you have to practice a gift? It would come natural... but seen many examples of these charismatics trying to teach people how to speak in tounge... Blasphemous is a good description.
I fall in line with Corey but Dr. Michael Brown truly is a scholar and he defends his case well! Love both brothers!!
That was good ya. Geaux Tigers
Dr Michael Brown is a legend!
I think no man is a legend. This is about finding truth.
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He got washed up by GRLA Hebrew
@@uchennasunday7037 lol no. He most certainly did not.
Speaking in a different languages is only a gift if you understand what you are saying.
If everyone in the congregation speak English why would you not speak English?
Apostle Paul spoke Hebrew, Latin, Greek and Aramaic, these are the language Paul spoke of a KNOWN language.