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It never really bothered me. I figured she knew who he was when Luke mentions it when he rescues her.
And the message she refers to him as Obi wan but when Luke rescues her he says Ben is here and she knows who he is talking about
She knew from her fathers stories.
@@zakali4195 if she only knew him as ben kenobi it wouldve worked better imo. Obiwan couldve been a name no one referred to him as, maybe she didnt even know that was his real name. But reva dropped the bomb and now leia knows who obiwan is
@@SlightlyInactive but follow me, obi-wan its on the run no one know where he is, Ben is a old man know in tatooine that worked long time as a butcher and took daily bus to his camel.
BEN KENOBI!? Where is he!?
I wasn't concerned with this "plot hole" even before this scene. I mean, if you consider her reaction to Luke saying he was there with "Ben Kenobi", it feels pretty clear that she knew him. She not only reacts excitedly, but she reacts to the name "Ben" rather than "Obi-Wan". If she hadn't met him and heard him called by Ben, she'd at least have had a moment of confusion, like "Did they get the wrong Kenobi? I asked for an Obi-Wan, not Ben." But instead she says "Ben Kenobi?! Where is he?!" and immediately heads out to find him.
That's a really good point never picked up on that before
@@frankjones9839 George did not write episode 4 with the idea that they had ever met letâs just stop this nonsense right hwre
@@leadleghighkick104 What a fun, creative and original take.
However did you come to such an earth shattering notion?
Many must flock from far and wide just to personally request the honour of your presence at their parties.
(LMGTFY{yes-and})
@@TheYahmez are you brain damaged?
@@leadleghighkick104 it must a honour for you to know George Lucas personally. And what a feeling it must have been when he told you his ideas for Star Wars in person, I bet very few people have ever had that pleasure. Lucky you!
That hug between Obi WAN and Leia is everything
Yeah
@@karthikeyan3d319 đŻ
nah nah nah Obi-Wan saying "Hello there." to Luke THAT'S everything.
What was fixed?
every hug is so heartwarming
Meanwhile her father in the previous episode was like:
"Hey Obi-Wan Kenobi, I haven't heard back from you, so if you get this, I'll give it like a week or whatever then travel to Tatooine to take care of Leia's twin brother who nobody in the Empire knows about, you know; one of Vader's twin children, Leia of course being the other. Ok, hope this information doesn't fall into enemy hands!"
Bail: oh no, Obi Wan isn't responding
sends the message
Bail: oh no, Obi Wan is still quiet, but sending that message will not complicate things, for sure
haha, yeah, people are rejoicing about fixing the wrong plot hole!
Right?
LoL, the message should have beeped and followed up with another. âUhh, hey, Obi⊠just checking in. Not sure if you got my last messageâŠâ and him revealing the Jedi Underground Railroad, his co-conspirators in forming the Rebellion, the Bothans on the mission to get the Death Star plansâŠ
@@steveking1037 Let's not forget which planets are the best for blowing up, that's also something he should let Obi-Wan know about.
"Hi, Mr. Krabs. This is Clay, the guy you sold Neptune's crown to. Yeah, I just wanted to say thanks again for selling me the crown. Neptune's crown. I sold it to a guy in Shell City, and I just wanted to say thanks again for selling me the crown. Neptune's crown. Which is now in Shell City. Goodbye."
I mean it actually makes a little more sense with this, cause after the âObi-Wan Kenobiâ recording is delivered, when Luke saves Leia on the Death Star he tells her heâs with R2 and âBen Kenobiâ, and Leia jumps up at the mention of his name.
So Leia knows Ben Kenobi is Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Yea... because they are literally there with R2 and C3PO and they mention the name Kenobi...
Maybe think about her message, where she talks about the struggle against the Empire and the rebellion.... Why pretend when the rest of the message makes it clear she is conspiring with the rebels??
@@Ruylopez778 Her R2 unit that hold this message literally has the plans of the death star on it
@@tamirfriedman1329 Yes, so it's bullshit to say she pretended not to know Obi-Wan in the message to protect them both.
How are people acting like this makes sense explaining anything?
@@Ruylopez778 the bar, it is not set highâŠ
In the message Leia literally reveals that she (as well as her father) are committing treason against the empire while also reveling Obi's identity in case the name Ben fooled anyone
So if this message got intercepted they are all screwed, there's no reason for her to pretend they don't know eachother when she's incriminating them both anyway
Also the literal death star plans are in the memorybanks of the same droid as the message.
yep, that's exactly what I was thinking.
Not to mention Artoo also containing the Death Star plans
đ âI need to cope with the fact that Disney doesnât care about canonâ
Ok shills
They also potentialy know it anyway since the inquisitors used leia to lure Obi wan out of hiding.
I always took it as her being formal about it, since she's relaying Bail's message. Later when they're in the Death Star and Luke rescues her, he says he's with Ben Kenobi and she says "Ben Kenobi's here???"
Yeah because she sent him a message to go to a planet she just saw blow up. No inference of having ever met and not at all upset about his being killed right in front of her after all there adventures together. He even says if YOU ever need help. Its a secret message to a fugitive I don't think pretending not to know him would make any difference if the message is discovered she already outed her father (who has been outed thanks to this show) and basically the entire planet.
â@@hermittmog8697 100% Correct. It still really doesn't work (them having met). Otherwise she would have a reaction to his death of some kind. But also, "the message was formal" is not a good excuse because there is 0 reason for it to be formal in the first place. It is a secret message that outs both her and her father as "jedi sympathisers", so if it gets seen by the empire pretending not to know Obi Wan changes literally nothing.
@@hermittmog8697 you do realize that the message was made and delivered before her planet was destroyed right so why would she be angry and emotional when messagein him at that point.
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How would she know his other name is Ben and have that reaction unless she already met him? đ€
Also in a New Hope when Luke rescues leia he says âIâm here with Ben Kenobiâ and Leia responds with âBen Kenobi! Where is he?â Thereâs a clear indication that she knows him, as she addresses him as Obi Wan in R2âs message and wouldnât have known of his alias of Ben if she didnât know him personally
Or she inferred from the name Kenobi that "Ben" must at least somewhat connected to the "Obi-Wan" her dad told her about, because she's not a dribbling idiot, and she literally used her last seconds of freedom to send a message to him while she was being captured.
Would it have made more sense to you if she sat up from her prison bunk and said "Who is Ben? I asked for *Obi-Wan* Kenobi." ? And then her eyes roll back in her head and smoke comes out of her ears as she struggles to process this apparent conflict of information.
It's not that difficult to imagine that Bail Organa knew his alias and briefed Leia fully on what she would need to know about him.
@@TheChabowski i don't even entirely disagree with OPs point but this comment is just pure gold
My god she was told about obi wan by her dad, they never met.
Also the stuff about the clone wars is almost a code. Itâs like âshits about to hit the fan, come get a bit of the actionâ
To me, it also explains why she seemed more concerned about consoling Luke after his death, instead of mourning the loss of Alderan.
How does it explain that at all? Why would Leia not be upset over Obi Wan's death just because he told her to keep their relationship a secret? Sorry but there is no excuse for that.
@@Fyrestar I mean George Lucas didn't have 50 years of Star Wars content all thought out the first go-round.
@@Fyrestar She WAS upset. That's what I'm saying.
leia is pretty cold... in ep 4
@UC6-jT5epdXZvWrnSUWA-ORQ Terrible argument. You don't have to cry to show A REACTION. When Alderan is blown up, she has a visible reaction. Not to mention if she DID cry, she wouldn't have done it in front of Vader and Tarkin to look strong. But when Obi Wan dies there is no reason for her to hide her reaction.
As for everything else, that's stuff from the sequel trilogy, which just didn't understand Leia to begin with.
"If the empire figures out we know each other it might put us in danger."
"Known Jedi, please come rescue me from Imperial imprisonment on board a superweapon space station."
Leia and Obi Wan were both pretty much in deep enough at that point where if that message were found it would mean death for them both anyway.
And the Empire already knew they know each other, they had Leia and Obi-Wan rescued her on this same show. They didn't fix anything. And I'm not hating the show, I enjoyed it, but they changed some things from A New Hope and then tried to fix it very poorly.
Never really thought they never knew each other in the first place. Even if that scene wasnât there you could argue that sheâs only just referencing a big event that her father told her that are as big of a war as the one theyâre having with the rebels.
(Edit) wow thanks for the 1K likes! đ
im sure she knew who Obi-wan was but not to this extend
Big event... like saving her life and breaking her out from imperial hands twice?
@@tamirfriedman1329 Exactly, no way she doesn't reference that, it's so much more important and personal to her
It's a grey Area
Luke âIâm here with Ben Kenobi, Iâve got your R2 unitâ Leia âBEN KENOBIâ - Star Wars (A New Hope) 1977
Say what you will about Lucas, but the casting of McGregor as a younger Obi-wan was brilliant. I am thrilled to see him return to the role.
I keep expecting the Grand Inquisitor's "Hello" at the end and there's always a slight sadness when it's not there
I see the problem with this explanation as Leia was captured and held as a bait for Kenobi in Inquisitorius, so there's no way the Empire didn't know they are connected.
Only Reva knew of their connection. The Empire is a massive administration that couldn't care less who this little girl was that was captured. Reva didn't reveal the secrets to anyone because she doesn't really work for the Empire, she works for herself and is using the Empire as a way to get to Vader.
The only reason she was captured in the first place was because of the connection Bail Organa had with Obi Wan. There's also the fact that the inquisitors tend to just do stuff without needing to consult anyone in the empire other than Vader. So pretty much, as far as the empire is concerned, none of the stuff ever happened because they have no need to know about it
@@Jake-dh9qk
Bail Organa was on the senate. Palpatine knows him. Bail was close with Padme too. its acceptable that since he didn't fight the empire they allowed him to live.
Leia is the princess of a planet and the daughter of a senator with a lot of influence clearly, the empire care when they go missing and definitely when it's THEM that took her.
Reva should've been severely punished for this stupid move that makes no sense anyway. Bail has his own authorities, he could've even asked the empire. it makes sense yo us he went to Ben, but not Reva. Reva should never have put that together, it's a massive stretch from "they used to know each other years ago" to "if I kidnap ones daughter the other will surely come and no one else".
Reva's motivation means nothing because she does work for the empire. she works for the empire, she works for the grand inquisitor, she works for vader, she works for palpatine. its true she does not respect or like any of her superiors but her wanting to kill vader doesn't mean that she doesn't work for him? she still has to obey him. she didn't reveal the information she gathered, fine. but it was because she wanted to get Kenobi himself, and when the other inquisitors found out what she had done she should have been punished, not just told to go away. textbook bad writing.
@@Jake-dh9qk The rest of the Inquisitors knew too and they hate Reva, there is no way they didn't tell Vader what she did.
The connection is a senator. They can't just keep kidnapping a senator's kid.
The Kenobi series is basically a show that rewards being patient.
It was meh/mediocre but it was watchable enough
it's not the best but it's not the garbage the "fandom menace" are screeching it is. to be frank i'm sick of what the fanbase has to say and i'm just picking and choosing what i like from star wars.
@@michaelkean5969 yeah watching vids from geeks and gamers right now are just embarrassing.
@@daveblackman816 yeah i used to be an avid watching and agreer with them when the ST was the hot topic but now it's just obnoxious hatred from the lieks of G&G RK Ryan,Heelsvsbabyface starwars girl etc.
i can't stand them anymore and unsubbed from them a long time ago.
@@michaelkean5969 yeah itâs just complainfest. If I wanna hear someone complaining 24/7, Iâll talk to my mom or my wife đ
You also gotta remember, that in a new hope when Luke rescues Leia on the death star and he mentions that he's with ben kenobi, she gets up almost excitedly saying "ben kenobi?! where is he??" Implying she does indeed know who ben / obi wan is in episode 4.
People keep bringing up the excitement when Luke mentions him as if that implies a personal connection, but think about the context. Leia grows up hearing stories about the Jedi, in particular this legendary, heroic Obi-wan Kenobi. Shit starts to get real, and Bail is like "We need that guy. Go get him." She gets captured on the way and sends the message as a Hail Mary, unsure if it will even make it to him. Then this random shmuck in a Stormtrooper outfit shows up to stage a clumsy rescue and you're a bit skeptical. Then he mentions Kenobi and all of a sudden the whole thing is legit. The living legend not only got your message, but he's here! He's rescuing you, you're going to get to meet him, and things will be ok! Of course she's excited at the mention of his name.
@@BIGBMH It's like these people just forget that whole major plot point earlier in the movie where she literally asks for his help on behalf of her father. Mental gymnastics.
lol!!!! you're trying so hard to justify this plot hole, remember she didn't even cry when kenobi died , she is just there consoling luke like nothing happened
@@Ki_Adi_Mundi not really. If Leia really didn't know Obi-wan personally then she sure as hell wouldn't have known Ben Kenobi and that they are the same person. She might have been able to put the dots together eventually, but not immediately at that moment, and with such elation.
@@rumalo not really a plot hole if you believe they did know each other from watching the original trilogy and being a fan for over 40 years. Its actually quite clear they did know each other, and the Obi-wan series proves that I right all this time.
If that were truly the case she would have been more gutted than luke at Obi Wan's sacrifice on the Death Star...
Yes, she would have...if she hadn't have just lost her adopted parents and her whole damned planet.
@@lenoralee9553 she wasn't that gutted then either....
@@alanhutchins5916 She didn't seem too gutted about either event, so kinda fits then doesn't it?
All of Star Wars can easily be summarized with the line "from a certain point of view". Everything gets retconned in ways that don't contradict too much with what's been established. There are constant changes to the story/universe, new dynamics are introduced, etc. Luke and Leia become siblings, Anakin is Darth Vader, R2D2 was Anakin's astromech buddy and he built C-3PO, Jedi other than Obi-Wan ad Yoda survived Order 66, Anaki had a Padawan, the Clone Troopers had inhibitor chips that forced them to kill the Jedi.
Star Wars is in a constant state of things being added to the context of pre-existing events after the fact. At this point, I just roll with the new changes because this is stuff that's been part of the franchise ever since day 1
notice how the ones you mentioned were all OT and Prequel ones, where they made sense. these new ones fucking suck.
@@blue-vr8dd I actually have a few things that Iâm fine with in this show. Some, I donât think weâre needed, others are verging a lot on not technically contradicting the lore, but hereâs some of my points on how this show has added to the story
- While Obi-Wan and Leia having a whole adventure kinda clashes with her formal message in A New Hope, it adds validity to her asking him for help in the first place, as well as naming her son after him
- Having Obi-Wan and Vader fight here works as a transition point between their ROTS battle and their New Hope battle. The rage and regret has been tempered and their slow fight in A New Hope still makes sense because theyâre both sizing each other up after their duel in this shows finale
- The people transporting the force sensitives and Jedi becoming the rebellion alongside Leiaâs interaction with them creates a sort of origin as to exactly how the rebellion came to be and how Leia was a part of it.
But I will admit that a lot of the other things that happened werenât entirely needed. Reva was a boring character because they leaned so heavily into the âtwistâ that was obvious from the start. She was a side character that was placed on the same focus as Obi-Wan and Vader. If she wants sun any other project, sheâd probably have had better development.
Part of me wishes this show was entirely about Obi-Wanâs training that Yoda told him to do, as well as what Vader was up to in the Empire, and any confrontation they had was purely in their heads.
The main issue that the show had was that the last two episodes were the absolute best. Everything was a build-up to the final duel, but it was hindered by the side plots that werenât as interesting in comparison. Again, I think it purely came down to all the other stuff being in a show about Obi-Wan and Vader, it just makes everything else seem meaningless because all everyone wants to see are these two characters.
I did really like Obi-Wanâs trauma and how he came to terms with it, I just kinda wish the entire show was about that psychological aspect of both Obi-Wan and Vader
@@moviehermit5631
Bail could have just told Leia where and how to find him. she was going on a very dangerous mission and Bail could have said "hey, as a last resort go to Obi-Wan/Ben, I knew him as a General in the war, he'll help". he sacrificed himself for them, he died in the mission to rescue her. also fan service.
not really. it only brings into question the line of master and learner, which is small tbh but it's an important line after the prequels. this show having them meet takes away from the emotion of them meeting in ANH. I'll either watch it and think "oh well there's the show that's in between so there's more content", or I'll watch it all chronologically and just not care too much. the more you do something impactful, the less impactful it is.
we've already gotten the rebellion origin story in Rebels. we don't need to meet the very very originals in Solo, then how they became official in Rebels, then whatever this. its pointless, we know how rebels can start, even in Rebels its just pointless. it makes more sense in Rebels but it's the same as seeing Kenobi just being Kenobi in his own show, pointless but can be cool if done right. and I hate the fact they keep making up new jedi that survived, and now there's a bunch of them that are out there completely safe. they're making the empire so hilariously incompetent to the point I don't even find it that hilarious anymore. they're just bad. evil and dumb. to the point where a chronological watch will find me at ROTJ and not giving a shit because they're all so stupid and were getting there asses royally handed to them since they began. they almost never win anymore, and there's virtually no reason why people welcome them anymore. the whole point of them was that they were shitty, but they were still a political party with power. people actually liked them and weren't completely evil bastards. now it's just "empire evil" and no strings attached. no grey areas, nothing realistic anymore. so now there are a potential small army of jedi just wandering about living lives. I liked the black dude with the force sensitive wife, as in she just was force sensitive and was taken away, that's cool. but order 66 looks so pathetic when there's a mass of jedi that just escaped somehow.
@@blue-vr8dd 100% agree
So an Organa that finally knows how to leave a voice mail without incriminating anyone. That's awesome.
They also fixed why Obi-Wan says Vader killed your father to Luke and why Luke only knows Obi-Wan as Ben Kenobi and remembers him faintly.
Actually, I really like your explanation, it makes it make a lot more sense, thanks
I never had issue with them pretending not to know each other very well in the originals, because he was still keeping the fact Luke had a sister a secret from him.
when Kenobi said 'Hello There' I was clapping my hands lol
I wish Liea had a scene where she saves Obiwuns life. That would of made the relationship strong.
The way Leia reacts when Luke tells her he's here to rescue her with Obi-Wan clearly showed that she knew him as was excited to meet him again. I thought that back when I first saw A New Hope back when in 78 (I was only 4 and I can still remember my dad taking me to it at a reshowing) and have always thought she knew him personally. Always thought she was just being diplomatic/Princess/formal like in making the Holo, really didn't get why people were kinda freaking on this one.
"I'm here with Ben Kenobi?"
"Ben Kenobi?! Where is he?"
Honestly this made sense since the beginning. At the end of her message when she says "help me Obi Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope" it really does sound like a desperate cry from somebody you know. And also when she says "Ben Kenobi, where is he??!!" That adds layers of context to the OT
This entire show is about how Vader now knows that Leia and Obi Wan know each other.
This moment was so wholesome in the series. đ
The message works kinda, but not her not caring after he dies
Still doesn't explain why Leia has no reaction to the death of a man who she had a strong emotional connection to and rescued her life a couple times. But at least it's better now, and that's just a small detail.
Yeah the movies really glossed over that stuff. I assume it's cause George wanted the film's pace to keep moving briskly instead of slowing down. But in some of the EU canon books and comics, its all very much addressed. Leia grieves over Alderaan and her parents and Luke grieves over Owen, beru and obi wan.
@@kalpbhavsar he stated that the viewers should make up their own interpretations about their reactions so he didnât show much emotion in the characterâs
Probably cus she's all grown up and was exposed to the world of politics where lives of people are constantly juggled for the sake of peace. She's a politician and politicians have a different mindset than most people. She also saw her entire planet blowup and she can't do anything but to think of the next move for the rebellion. No time to soak and mourn when there's hundreds of millions of other lives on stake. Luke on the other hand grew up relatively sheltered from the imperial intrigues and politics so you can say that he's a bit emotionally uncontrolled compared to Leia.
Leia had no reaction to the destruction of Alderaan, either
You know she just had to grieve her entire planet right? This isn't some crybaby princess. This is a hardened leader that has ordered people to their deaths and seen her entire planet blown up.
âbut thatâs star wars for yaâ never a truer sentence
I was actually choked up when they hugged goodbye.
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It actually makes more sense now as Obi Wans face during that message seemed like someone who clearly recognized Leia, even if he didn't say it
Of course he would recognize her, she mentions Bail. It has nothing to do with them having met before.
@@verbalkint4258 Well, now it does. It's canon now. You may not like it, I certainly don't, but it is.
Fit it ... have some faith, it was never broken!
lol. They got caught with their pants down and pulled off a half-assed fix. Nice.
They were smart enough to fix this but in the same series Bail Organa: "Hey Obi-Wan I hope you're not captured. Remember nobody can find out about Vader's child named Luke who lives on Tatooine at 27 Moisture Farm Lane. Here's a map to his location just in case you forget that nobody can find out about this."
Because Reva saw that message IMO is how they justify the secrecy pact between Obi Wan and Leia.
I kinda hoped that they would explain it by having Obi-Wan use the force to alter Leia's memories before he left to keep her safe but this is pretty good too.
Chooses the dark side option.
*Leah will not remember that.
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That would have been cooler ... plus Ben could have given some of his memories of Padme to Leia. That'd explain her memories of her mother.
@@greedo50273 This is Star Wars, not Harry Potter.
@@BalkanGames these days what's the difference considering how bastardized the lore has become. Jedi fly now and have force heal.
They still haven't given palpatine reason to think Obi-wan was dead.
It was a genius retcon, and the whole second half of the episode (from the helmet scene, onward) had me crying like a child. I loved it..!!
And now itâs gonna be really weird watching A new Hope with Leah not seeming all that sad like luke is.
Well if you think about it, Leia was with Ben for about a week, but Luke knew him for 9 years. That's assuming Leia and Ben never met again after this though.
Leia just had her entire planet blown up, including her mother and father and everyone she knew killed. I'm pretty sure she's all trauma-ed out.
And that's without mentioning that when someone TRIES to console her about it, she brushes him off with 'No time for sorrows.'
If anything it just adds to how badass Leia is.
@@compel6552 exactly this
Leia'd just had a major shock, and sets aside her own pain to console the (comparatively) emotional wreck that is Luke.
Alderaan just made her *more* determined to defeat the Empire.
All good point!
My understanding was always that they knew each other, from way back when I first watched the original over 40 years ago. The elation and joy she showed when Luke says "I'm here with Ben Kenobi", could only of come from someone who had known and cared for him.
She was happy because she realized Kenobi received her message and was there to help her, not because she previously knew him. FFS just watch the message she sent to him, how does it make any sense for her to reference bail and the clone wars but not the fact that he rescued her twice? She doesn't even care when he dies, Luke is the one that mourns him.
do you know what the word "of" means?
@@DarkCharmedFeminity I'll concede the point that in ANH both Luke and Leia bizarrely have very little emotional reactions to the deaths of their adoptive parents, but my other point still stands. Judging by the message she sent kenobi, she clearly doesn't know him. I wish this show would've just kept his identity a secret from her, instead it created a huge plot hole that fans have to explain away with mental gymnastics whenever they watch ANH.
@@verbalkint4258 It's canon now. You may not like it, I certainly don't, but it is.
@@terrytaylor1732 not to me it isn't, I'll keep my own head canon, the original 6 movies and clone wars are enough for me.
In A New Hope, Kenobi basically said the Mos Eisley Cantina was the toughest, scariest place in the galaxy but the band inside was playing the silliest sounding music you could imagine.
Considering that the plans did arrive with R2, she must have known where he was.
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One tiny problem, though.
If that message does get intercepted, it will have the same implications for Leia whether she had past dealings with Obi-Wan or not.
She's directly reaching out to a Jedi to help overthrow the Empire, so why would her having prior affiliations with Obi-Wan make any difference? This also raises the question of why this explanation would prompt her to hide her grief around Luke & Han. Finding out she had a deep bond with Obi-Wan at Age 10 isn't going to be anymore incriminating than the immediate criminal activity they're already accomplices to.
There's also no real reason for Obi-Wan feign ignorance either. Who's gonna tell on him, Luke? The droids? He's clearly making it no secret that he's a Jedi to Han & Chewie either, as he wastes no time making new Jedi in the lounge room of the Falcon, so this still makes no sense.
If that message had been intercepted though it would make no difference at that time. Because of the events of Rogue One and the opening scene of ANH, Vader knew already that Leia was "part of the rebel alliance and a traitor", and so Senator Organa was likely to be also. That's why they decided to test the Death Stars destructive power on Alderaan. Similarly with Obi-wan, once Luke had lost his Aunt and Uncle to the Empire, and wants to "learn the ways of the Force and become a Jedi like my father", as well accepting the mission to bring the plans to Alderaan, it was at that point he'd waited 20 years for, the point where there was no reason to hide anymore. For all of them it was a case of now is the time, it's now or never. The point of no return.
@@stebow1977 That's basically what I'm saying.
It makes no difference, so why word the message so weirdly if they were really close?
@@TheMemeRepository what I got from the message, and what I've always thought is that she's relaying a message on behalf of her father but had to make it precise and to the point, she had little time to record it as her ship was under attack and boarded. There was no time for pleasantries. I always thought that Obi-wan and Leia had met before because of her reaction when she was told Ben was on the Death Star, plus I always thought Obi-wan knew her from his reaction watching the message. I don't think she was deliberately straying from the fact they knew each, just that it was formal and sent with little time to record.
Oh wow, Hi Meme
That line is like putting a band aid on a gaping wound.
Honestly even if there wasnât an explanation this is something I can forgive because of how meaningful it is
This is like a pretty good bridge between the OT, PT, and even the ST.
It explains why Leia was so drawn to helping Rey.
The Sequels are not canon, in my opinion
@@chasehedges6775 Yeah, yeah, ok.
@@chasehedges6775 everything apart from the ST is canon in my book.
Indeed. Except for some tiny issues here and there, it was a good miniseries. It's just too bad that people are so used to hate everything related to Star Wars after TESB that they automatically hate new stuff from it just for the sake of hate.
@@RodrickMarsMoon so bloody true. i even enjoyed book of boba despite it's flaws.
honestly the term "fan" is just a negative connotation at this point i prefer "Enjoyer" now. i try to see the positives in everything now and if i don't like a specific installment in the series i simply won't watch it.
not every installment to the franchise has to be a masterpiece it just has to scratch a certain Itch which this show did.
Except the Empire knows they know each other. Reva's plan was specifically to have Leia kidnapped to draw Obi-Wan out, with the knowledge of her superiors. And since Obi-Wan rescued her (twice), they know he's spent time with her. Also, covering up that they know each other with how she talks in the message is kinda pointless, because the message implicates her as a Rebel who's collaborating with Obi-Wan. It's also just weird that all this pretty much gives away that Bail Organa definitely knew how to contact Obi-Wan, but nobody in the Empire seems to care about that despite him being a traitor in their eyes.
right but going directly after them at that point in time would bring serious consequences against the Empire. They care, which is why they were building the Death Star to eventually destroy Alderaan either way...so that part of it actually works...just not the part of telling Leia to simply forget...since kids don't do that and speak their minds to pretty much to anyone.
@@TheFroneyZone Is this assuming they built the Death Star specifically for alderaan? Because I donât recall anything to suggest that is the case. I mean tarkin just says itâll be a good test right?
I also donât really see any reason for leia to hide that she knows Obi. Sheâs literally about to get captured (the rogue one scene shows her finishing the recording right?) for supporting the rebels and the message already conveys she knows him and that she has an idea of where he is.
@@Edicho1 wasn't the Death Star already under construction at the end of ROTS?
You know they murder him and his entire planet as soon as they don't need the senate anymore right?
"I'm here with Ben Kenobi."
"BEN KENOBI! WHERE IS HE!"
I wouldnât say anyone I had an adventure with as a child and then never talked to again is someone I know well
Will you make a video about Obi just walking off after beating Vader? They could have written that FAR better, an environmental distraction, an earthquake that causes the ground to be unstable because of vader's anger and obi leaves because of the instability, not just leaving him there beaten to continue murdering people. Sith thrive off revenge, now you've made him stronger and made obi look even weaker. "I will do what I must." lol, twice you haven't
honestly i disagree i think this ending makes Obi-wan more interesting and more Flawed.
Obi-wan was always seen as a paragon of goodness when that's just unrealistic. Obi-wan in the clone wars and in this show have far more of a connection than PT and OT obi-wan who was just unnaturally good-natured. Obi--wan letting Vader live in a moment of weakness so he can go onto to kill more and more people. shows us that Obi-wan himself is NOT perfect.
@@michaelkean5969 where did you learn human psychology from, the university of moonbats? Your explanation has no grounding in psychology or philosophy, but unfortunately is grounded in ideological claptrap. smh
@bmx7596 I agree, that would have made it more believable and less moronic. He let him live the first time, but would not have made the same mistake twice unless he was a total moron, but that was how he was portrayed for much of the show, so at least Disney is consistent with their own storytelling!
@@NathanMartin11 i'm sorry if i'm much more invested in characters who make mistakes and opposed to near perfect Mary sues who are portrayed as messiahs and get away with the terrible things they do because "they the good guys" Obi-wan constantly letting Vader live despite the negative consequences makes Obi-wan in the OT more interesting it makes him more than just a gandalf Rip-off it makes him a war vet who has made mistakes in the past but his age and wisdom have allowed him to rise above that. Obi-wan's fight with Vader here justifies Obi-wans unease and PTSD he shows when he's talking to Luke about what happend to Anakin.
star wars rebels also did this Beautifully with Obi-wan vs Maul.
@@michaelkean5969 so deconstructing a character and changing his inner character is okay to do? You enjoy deconstructing who somebody is/was, just to make things "more interesting" for your sensibilities? I find it difficult to believe that there is only "overpowered with no flaws" and "deconstructing his character to be an inversion of his Lucas version self" are the only two options; if they are, that is the false dichotomy fallacy, because other options do indeed exist where somebody can still grow and have a character arc without inverting/deconstructing their character.
Also, how is a trained Jedi Master who had to earn everything a Mary Sue, exactly? I've never heard him called that before... Is Yoda also a Mary Sue?
still doesnt fix how when obi wan dies Leia barely seems to care
When Leia ask Obi-Wan if sheâll ever see him again. Thatâs a call back to when Anakin ask his mother the same thing when he left with Quigon
Who coulda guessed that mysterious and questions a WEEKLY AIRING SERIES posed would be answered AFTER A FEW WEEKS
As someone who was very critical of that deviation, I was satisfied with this fix. It still kind of not handled expertly if I'd might say, but it eases my dissatisfaction. If we ignore that she is not phased by his death at all, which clearly indicates that she didn't know him before and was just formally trying to get him to Alderaan.
What was an unfixable mistake was Obi-Wan being supposedely not aware that Anakin was alive prior to this show, which is bullshit. He did know. That is why the twins were seperated and hidden away. As he clearly says in ROTJ: "To protect you both from the Emperor, you were hidden from your father when you were born."
And of course that whole, meeting Vader before ANH hope thing.
And letting him walk away, after defeat.... Let's.... not... get into how I feel about that. ;)
Yes. They do demonstrate the need for secrecy with Reva picking up Obi Wan's comm device and seeing part of Bail's message and what **almost** đ happens because of that.
Lets face it, prequels suck because they always rewrite the first movie/movies. R2D2 flying about saving Obi Wan and Anakin. But in a new hope, I have no idea who this droid is and the robot can't fly anymore. C3P0 being made by Anakin is also stupid. Owen in new hope actually acting like he knew Anakin. The whole Star Wars saga is filled with retcons, mostly because Lucas wanted to appeal to young kids - Anakin being 6/7 and Jar Jar and have his comedy robot duo as a fall back.
@@glennmason6967"Owen in new hope actually acting like he knew Anakin."
He did. They met in AOTC.
@@glennmason6967 yes difference is, OT and PT had a plan behind them. The PT also worked because there's 19 year timeskip.
Nowadays disney just writes some shit and then thinks about how it fits into the overall narrative later.
@@sornyeilevente973 Based on quotes from the OT about the PT, I don't think Lucas had a definite plan. I think he had the broad brushstrokes of the trilogy, didn't worry about the dialogue and tried to make sure that it appealed to ages less than 10. Which is not a bad thing, he was trying to lure in the adults and strike a chord with their children, prequels always result in plot holes. You are trying to create something new but run up against the constraints against the previous films. You have better special fx so of course your portrayal of technology looks better than something that supposedly occurs 20, 40 or 100 years later.
For example, look at Star Trek. They keep revamaping Klingons and Capt. Pike has to have a throw away line about holograms since they used them on Discovery but don't have them on TOS.
I just assumed it was lazy/clumsy writing and a bunch of retconning, and there was enough of that going on it wasnât worth worrying about. They can have six more seasons and have Obi Wan fight Vader every season, and as long as the one that takes place five minutes before New Hope ends with Vader staring into the camera and saying âlooks like you still had a lot to teach me, old masterâŠâ weâll all shrug off the âwhen last we metâŠâ line because, whatever, New Hope will be half a century old at that point, Disney wants them streaming bucks, and we want more Star Wars.
*I* don't want more Star Wars. I'm sick of it by now, along with Star Trek, Doctor Who, and every comic book movie in existence. Isn't it time for some new franchises? I miss the '70s, '80s, and '90s, when Hollywood actually made an attempt at creating new things that we hadn't seen before.
@@ElveeKaye hell, even back then, how many remakes did we have?
The writing works perfectly.
@@redrick8900 LMAO, okay.
@@steveking1037 Pretending to laugh is what stupid people do when you want to refute something but can't.
and THAT is why Leia just gets straight on her feet when Luke rescues her and says "I'm with Ben Kenobi !"
It makes sense why she named her son Ben. After her savior.
Tbh i think you can interpret it in many ways but the fact she named her son after Obi Wan is already enough for me to show that they both know each other and her appreciation for him
That's a good thing too because before this show their was no reason why she would name her kid Ben. In the original film she had never even met him before and didn't even see him before he was killed. Han Solo knew him of course, but only briefly and he didn't like him. But like you said after seeing this show Leia naming her son Ben makes a little more sense.
Yes because there's *_no_* conceivable way a parent could name their child after someone they've never met...like an historical figure or grandparent or mentor to their brother...
_Oh wait..._
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Ben Skywalker = Canon.
Ben Solo = Disney Fanfic.
Ooh yeah, they "fixed it." You know, that problem they made in the first place with their shitty writing. Fixed it like you fix a severed artery with a band-aid đ
Well she clearly shows respect by mentioning Obi-Wan as a late warrior, not an old hermit.
The laugh is the trademark of this channel.
It also makes sense, as I have remembered the first reaction Leia gave when Luke told her that Obi-Wan is there is nothing but uttermost happiness and surprise. Another reaction may have been given if she only knew him by rumors, the look Obi-Wan also gives during the playing of the holo-recording is a attempt of concealing deeper emotions as to seeing the child he rescued years before is now under perilous danger.
I'm pretty sure that they didn't fix anything because that would imply that they rewrote and re-recorded scenes after the backlash of the fans. It was already written that way from the start, at least from this version of the script. I think the series would have benefitted greatly if they had released it in its entirety from the start, unfortunately people aren't as patient nowadays to let the story play out
no. its not about the backlash, its about the writers actually acknowledging how much damage theyre doing towards the original trilogy and because they just had to use leia that way they tried their hardest to "fix" it with the ending. its still not entirely "fixed" its very filmsy and looks more like an excuse so they can use the leia story
@@TheProxy2 No damage. That Leia knows Obi-Wan is implied in the original, as that Obi Wan and Vader had fought multiple times.
It still doesn't explain why Leia didn't seem at all upset when Obi-Wan died.
The look that Alec Guinnessâ Kenobi gives is actually quite shocked and almost like heâs surprised to see her grown up so I think it works fine
Does it matter? She was captured by the Empire when making that message, so why the need for the secret? If the message doesn't get to Obi-Wan then all hope is lost. If it does get to him then it doesn't matter if others find out they know eachother because it's his call to action. The time of hiding is over, grab Luke and lets get this show on the road.
haven't watched it yet... Now that it's done I can binge it. Didn't want to watch it for all the canon breaking, but this kinda fixes that part.
it never canon breaked anything lmao
no it doesn't. The entire show breaks canon. None of the events should or could have happened in order for the OT to make sense.
@@gamerbeast3616 ??????
@@gamerbeast3616 Bro, it BREAKS A SHIT LOAD of canon, have you EVEN watched the originals? I saw them all on their release dates... I'm that old. I have a shit load of hardback novels, this show breaks canon.
I think this adds a layer to that scene where old obi wan watches the recording because he looks at it while giving that classic obi wan look where his eyes get kind of wide but then he comes back to reality probably thinkin âI canât tell him that nowâ
And the fact that she seems so happy when Luke says I am here to save you I am with Ben Kenobi. She wouldnât know who that was really.
Still she doesn't have any real sadness when he dies, just feels bad for Luke. Obvs not that deep but still don't love the bit of awkwardness in continuity
She's just had her fucking homeworld destroyed and her people genocided, so I guess she's kinda numbed to the loss of one more person.
But yes, the continuity is kind of awkward.
because she met Obi-wan AS A CHILD. not everyone keeps the same emotional connection to people over the years.
Well, remember that in the Death Star when Luke says: "I came with Ben Kenobi" She jumps immediately to follow him. And also... if she didn't cry about the death of Obi Wan, well... she didn't cry over Alderaan either
I thought of that as well when watching that scene last night. Glad to see you point it out
Seeing Obi-Wan and young Leia hug in this finale really warmed my heart.
issue is that literally everyone knows that they know each other - the empire had leia imprisoned until Obi-Wan broke her out
Cool
I noticed this too. Also helps if you think about episode IV when Luke meets Leia in her cell on the death star detention level and she seems like waaaaay too super excited to hear the name "Obi-Wan" when Luke says they are there to save her. Maybe that's because she slipped up for a sec in the moment and was excited her old pal came to save her...again! It actually fits pretty well.
They didn't 'fix' it, people just weren't patient enough to see how it would all play out before making judgements.
In A New Hope, when Luke says he's there with Ben Kenobi, she exclaims 'Ben Kenobi!' in an excited and hopeful manner that implies she knows him, and knows Ben Kenobi is Obi-Wan's alias.
Plus, Luke namedropping Kenobi causes her to go from suspicious of Luke to instantly trusting him.
Which reinforces the idea that in the original message she was speaking formally and cautiously, but in fact, DID know Obi-Wan personally.
This personal connection also explains why she names her son Ben
@@lutilagoo167 This.
But thereâs the matter of Kenobi and Vader, he says in a new hope he was the learner but at that point, he says heâs the master, so they didnât fix that plot hole unfortunately
Yeah they did. The last fight. Vader lost and he still has much to learn. His eagerness to win is why he lost.
@@PepeToTheMooon Plus he does call Obi-wan "master", which means he still somewhat felt like his old padawan
@Tengiz Gachechiladze Same with ROTS,donât know what your trying to explain,but Iâm pretty sure he meant that when obi wan left him in that emotional,physically broken state,and Vader left and took it upon himself to master his abilities and train well to defeat his former âmasterâ.
@Tengiz Gachechiladze they were talking as anakin leaving obi wan, not vader last seeing obi wan
you could also say that it explains the side glance that Ben gives Luke in a New Hope when the hologram pops up.
In otherwords, she is better at sending secret messages then Bail Organa who just puts everything on blast.
All the people who complained shouldâve just watched the entire series. This was supposed to be a movie. But they wrote in filler to make this a tv show. Its so obvious
@@mrbubbles6468 I think OP is correct. I saw something on this last week. It was going to be a film but when solo flopped, they held back on any theatrical releases for a while.
Trying to make sense how this show fits into Star Wars just going make your head hurt. It's hard enough to figure out what's cannon from one episode to another . Just do the multiverse already.
I was crying from the moment he said bye to leĂa and roken to the end this scene broke me a grown man at 1 am balling crying while my wife was dead asleep I the next room lmaoo
Obi-Wan always knew Leia, when he fights against Vader on Death Star and he looks towards Luke and smiles right before Vader finishes him off. I always tought he smiled because he saw that Leia and Luke were finally reunited as family.
Iâm gonna be honest I donât think this fixes it. Even if someone were to pick it up, the empire already had leia and were planning to torture her. There was no point in acting like she didnât know kenobi. The writers were lazy and the team simply did not care
This doesn't fix shit. She still put luke on blast for being upset over obi wan's death. By that point, Leia knew him better, she didn't even care he died.
clearly fixes the continuity issue
"doesn't fix shit" okay you star wars "fan" leia by that point in the story hadn't really met Obi-wan again and didn't have the emotional connection to him she had in this series. she was older and had barely seen him since this point in time.
Plus she is a grown adult who is both a princess and a senator. Sheâs probably been taught/learned to hide or at least control her emotions in front of others and only let her guard down when sheâs alone so it canât be used against her
Just because they didn't show her mourning Kenobi doesn't mean shit. With that logic, Luke didn't mourn Han's death (on screen) in TLJ, so that broke canon too right?
@@mandyflanigan3746 not to mention that Luke and Leia are the perfect blend of Anakin and Padme.
Luke has Padme's kindness and compassion but he's got Anakin's temperament and recklessness.
Leia is the opposite she's got Anakin's sassy and fiery attitude but Padme's emotional focus.
I think it's more that in the message she's not just calling him to help her, she's calling him to war.
I would have preferred if he used the Jedi Mind trick, with her reluctant consent, to wipe there whole encounter from her mind.
She should've reacted more when he died in a new hope then.. i hate these lazy writers.
In all fairness she didnât even react that much when Alderaan got blown up.
@@kmalik707 yeah i just take it as her reacting to things differently
Also "pretending" not to know him in a secret message to a fugitive would make ZERO difference and of course she is outing her father! These people are just making excuses for their abusers.
dude just chalk that up to carrie fisher's mid-level acting ability and also the fact that THE LAST TIME SHE SAW OBI-WAN SHE WAS A FUCKING KID.
@@michaelkean5969 Right. Lets insult a deceased actors abilities over an idea that didn't exist until over forty years later to excuse lazy writing.
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Put it this way. Her knowing who Obi Wan is makes more sense then her remembering what her mother looked like.
YES! Love this explanation. But what about her seeing him die. She wasn't all that sad.
I was also really hoping that he sent her images of Padme through the force. I was so waiting for it!
Pulls in clutch
I find it hilarious that she was more excited about getting her droid back than seeing that Obi Wan survived đ
When she sees him die though he doesnât give a shit lol