Flying Felon Pleas Insanity - Can He Succeed? | LAWYER EXPLAINS
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Deobra Redden, also known as the Flying Felon, became famous on the internet when, in the middle of his own battery sentencing hearing, he decided to charge and leap over the judge's bench to attack Judge Mary Kay Holthus, who was about to give him prison time. Recently he pled insanity to his new charges that resulted from the in-court attack. Can he succeed, or is this doomed to fail?
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"that mfer is crazy" does not equate to criminally insane
Precisely. Nor does "this muthafukka said something that sounds calculated" equate to sane. But criminally insane and insane are different things.
The fact that he screamed "naaah f*** that b****!!!" before he attacked her proves that he knew exactly what he was doing before he did it.
Not if he was talking to the ghost right next to the judge, who he was actually trying to tackle.
@Arphemius the issues with that is a) not likely that the only time he was talking to ghosts was this moment. B) he aims for the judge and keeps attacking her. C) the biggest issue... it was in response to what the judge said, he was talking to her for sure. Imo, he knew what he was doing and he meant to do it. The guy is just violent in general, based on the charges, and makes very stupid choices. That is not insanity.
@@MissDirectso what you’re saying is, he would have to be crazy to have thought he could kill those ghosts by continuing to attack her.
He is insanely violent and manipulative.@@MissDirect
Exactly. He understood reality TOO much.
“I always try to do the right thing.”
“You are going to jail.”
*Yeets himself.
Uh huh…
Instead of pleading insanity, he should have applied for an athletic scholarship. Look at that air time ! Great addition to the prison basketball team.
This is one of the main reasons why I don’t jump over the bench and attack judges
Seems to me he knew what was going on and is unable to control his rage. Not a case for criminally insane from my perspective.
You don't think that graceful athletic dive demonstrated complete and intentional control?
@@chrisstott3508 People who are neurochemically messed up enough to not know what they are doing can do graceful athletic things.
Sadly he was birthed by a crackhead and I seriously doubt she cleaned up while pregnant with him. So his brain isn’t right. BUTTTT that isn’t the same as criminally insane either. Dude is screwed.
@@Istuckmyheaddownthetoilet You claim it's so, but my direct experience is the exact opposite. Care to cite a study or summat?
@@chrisstott3508 You assume that a person who is mentally ill and has been given the equivalent of a temporary insanity judgement in his place of residence before does not know? Or does not know an assortment of people who can say the same? You are making a statement that is categorical, a statement that all people who have this cannot do this. A proposition that is categorically false. What you are saying is no different from "all people who do not have a penis cannot rape" or "all people who do not have a penis are not able to physically assault a person who does to the point where the person who does needs to go to the hospital". "A person whose mental state renders him unable to make a solid assessment of right and wrong cannot leap over the bench and assault an elderly judge." If that were true, none of the murders or attempted murders that have been pled this way about could have ever happened.
State of Georgia vs. Denver Fenton Allen and the subsequent best thing to come out of Rick And Morty would never have happened, if your assertions about the mentally ill were true. Even murdering a smaller, weaker man requires a certain finesse and physical grace that I myself lack.
Logic is a bitch. Taking yours to its final extreme, well...
My initial reaction to his insanity claims is that he only attacked the judge after she asserted she was not going to be lenient, and like you explain in the video, he was rational and reserved prior to that. This gives me the impression that his attack was a logical (tho not reasonable of course) emotional reaction rather than a result of mental health
Unfortunately, the world is full of people who think they are experts in the brain and can judge a man's mental health during a couple of minutes of surveillance footage. Almost all of them are neurobigots.
I doubt we will ever know the exact thought process that led to this attack, but legal insanity is so rare that only one example of it has ever been known to the public. She went by the name of Lorena Bobbit at the time. There is a great documentary about that event that makes it pretty clear how few people know as much as they think they know where legal insanity is concerned.
This guy is not pleading insanity because of mental health issues, regardless of whether he has any (and mental health issues are rampant in jail anyway). He is doing it because he knows that from a legal standpoint, he is utterly fukked, and he is trying to minimise the blowback. He does not have a snowball's chance in hell, but he does have the right to try.
He got a regular coffee instead of his usual decaf and this is the result! As they say in sports you never hit a coach or a ref and in law diving over the judges bench is most unwise.
Nah. This is not insanity. This was anger.
Yeah… impulsive and rageful… not insane.
I love it when people think that people who experience crippling levels of anxiety, delusions, or extremes in mood that are unfathomable to ninety-nine percent of the population do not feel anger when the consequences of other people failing them fall upon them.
Lawyers have no other defense. I heard his argument in court and he sounded quite rational. Can't believe he wasn't in jail already. He's a danger to society.
Psychotic people are experts at pretending to be “normal” until they can’t any more, and then KA-POW! They’re running through the streets with their clothes off or jumping over peoples back fences because “the government is after me!” Or “the Salvation Army wants to steal my children”. Psychotic delusions are rarely completely unrelated to reality! I had a relative who was adamant that she was engaged to Imran Khan and thought that “My Fair Lady” was a movie about her life and got quite angry at that Audrey Hepburn replacing her in the lead role! Of course she was in late middle age by then and didn’t have the energy to mask her psychosis any more.
He shouted the b-word, so obviously he was aware that he was facing a female. That limits the plausible "hallucinations" quite a bit. And the timing coincided exactly with the moment that she told him that his plea for leniency was denied, so exactly the moment where he realized that his good boy act had not worked and was pointless to keep up. They'd have to come up with a story that the emotional stress of having his plea denied caused a hallucination of a female monster.
Nah. Being able to ID she's female doesn't mean he wasn't hallucinating dragons & zeppelins.
@@alwaysdisputin9930 I'd like to see that cross examination. "How could you tell that the dragon riding the Zeppelin was female?"
@@frankbauerfulWTF. I'm saying he could be correctly seeing the judge as female whilst hallucinating dragons. You're saying NO THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE. But there's no reason for you to say that.
@@alwaysdisputin9930 I think it's pretty clear from the video that he was attacking whatever he was calling the b-word. If he saw a dragon standing next to the judge and attacked the judge because he thought the judge was trying to hurt the dragon, that would not get him off the hook. "not guilty by reason of insanity" doesn't mean that if you are hallucinating while committing a crime you are automatically not guilty. The hallucinations have to justify the act, too. If he hallucinated the judge as his mother in law, he'd still be guilty of most of the crimes with the possible exception of the crimes specifically about attacking an official.
@@frankbauerfulNothing you are saying is relevant to what we're talking about. I could discuss these new subjects with you but you'll just change the subject again.
Thank you for the update! Interesting that the judges age plays a role in the charges, I've only heard about that in relation to vulnerable age groups (children, disabled or really old people)
Sixty is old enough to have physical problems that make you more vulnerable than the rest of the populace. People in that age group who can easily defend themselves from people even in their early forties are rare.
Really old? Like 100? The fact is that 60+ is senior citizen status. Most ARE vulnerable
@@kateashby3066 Depending on the health of the individual, you can be vulnerable at any age. I am 46 and the complications of 36 years of diabetes means that guy probably would have killed me.
@@kateashby3066 The age restriction where I am is higher, that's what I was surprised. Also the cases I was talking about were mostly referring to scams with victims (80+) not being mentally able to comprehend what was going on, being physically reliant on carers and being deliberately targeted. I wasn't talking about legal age limits, just what I had heard before.
@@bea6987 Fair enough. The law is a complex monstrosity where different rules apply to situations that only differ by one detail in some cases. Even if this lady were not that old, they probably would have added some form of circumstance to make the charge more severe. There is also the prospect of the judge sentencing this idiot deviating from the sentencing guideline in an upward direction. Which is incredibly likely. I am not sure if this individual will ever see the outside world again.
His best defense is to admit to everything but the attempted murders charge. If he can convince a jury he wasn't trying to kill her, maybe he doesn't do 40 years in prison
Trying to plead to being too stupid to know how bad an idea this was might lessen the jail time... maybe. It is worth a shot. "Who is stupid enough to attack a Judge?" is a worthwhile question.
How funny that he was not happy with his sentence for battery then proves them right with more battery.
It’s because he is a changed man!!! Oh wait…
But also, is it the case over there that pleading insanity isn't a full defense in the way that you walk away from the charges - he'd instead be in a mental facility or a particular kind of prison for the rest of his life? That's what's like in my state
For the rest of his life? No- that’s not mandatory. Some people can actually get better. Can HE? I doubt it. His mom was a crackhead. His brain is messed up. Still not insane tho!
Most people who successfully plead insanity do more time than they would have if they just pled guilty. And the chances of successfully pleading insanity are so small that going down that road is a last resort. It is truly a lose-lose proposition.
It is kind of like saying "yeah, I did it, but..."
Are you going to do a summary video of the Hannah Reed case? I’d love to watch a summary of maybe the first half of trial and 2nd half. The live stream was just too long haha
Emily D Baker has good summaries
His defense of insanity will fail.
Dude is crazy in the sense that no sane person would think attempting to kill his judge in open court would have a positive outcome.
Dude is not crazy in the sense that he's getting a positive outcome.
I think what he said right before he made a run at the judge tells me he knew exactly what he was doing, he was doing what his lawyer told him to do and say and didn't like the outcome.
That defense seems to be a stretch. Curious to see if they find a doctor to substantiate it. Thank you as always for these videos. You break these cases down so easily that I can understand the legal jargon.
There's always at least one crazy 'expert' which agrees with any hypothesis.
I cannot see any jury accepting an insanity defense if they see all the footage. He was calm and rational until he didn’t get what he wanted. He knew it was wrong and not allowed. Why did he run if he didn’t know it was wrong? If he thought that was ok and would be allowed, wouldn’t he have just strolled up there and attacked the judge? Neither poor impulse control nor being a generally terrible person are equal to an insanity defense. And unlike his attorney’s claim, I didn’t watch the footage and think he was out of his mind. I watched it and thought he was a dangerous, violent criminal who should be locked up in prison for a very long time.
Thanks for keeping us updated. This shocked me so much!
Based on his statement immediately before the attack, it indicates that he knew exactly what he was doing and why. I don't see insanity anywhere here. Stupidity, yes. Insanity, no.
Not to acknowledge in front of strangers your child has problems is not the same as not knowing your child has problems.
I’m guessing all future defendants in that court for sentencing hearings will be shackled.
Call me crazy but I don't think his argument is gonna fly.
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Obviously, he found himself caught in an alien transport beam, which required grabbing at anyone in the vicinity in an attempt to remain earthbound.
The thumbnail is epic LOL
Paranoid schizophrenia might have hallucinations or delusions as typical symptoms, but it is also well established that people with schizophrenia are also capable of understanding right/wrong, even while delusional. If in the midst of psychosis (a psychotic break, where their understanding of reality is drastically different from what is understood to be "real") then yes it is possible that a person might be considered legally insane. The problem is that there is a long history of schizophrenics having psychotic breaks and it isnt usually a drastic change of demeanor over a 2 second interval, but a slow increase in delusion and mania that eventually becomes full psychosis.
For him to be controlled and rational enough to plead for leniency in the moments approaching his violent outburst is incredibly detrimental to his case. Most competent and ethical psychologists will not agree that his schizophrenia influenced his actions, although its possible (depending on his medical history). I also dont see any indication that he was hallucinating or delusional during the hearing (although I suspect he will argue that). If he had a specific delusion regarding his persuasion skills or some sort of psychic ability to bend reality to his will, its possible that the judge's decision to sentence him to prison did trigger something.
I think the man is making a really bad mistake, though. Prison time is awful but he could have been contrite and tried for a plea deal. (Not sure the DA would agree to it though). But institutions for criminally insane & violent persons are not actually better than prison. Prisons generally let you out of solitary if you behave, the food is better, you can have conversations and socialize with people, there is access to mental health care and educayion, you have access to medical care and the right to refuse treatment... Even if he wins with this defense he would regret it.
Its possible this defense is being used because his lawyer thinks they can win. And they might. But unless he is trying to avoid the death penalty, he would 100% enjoy prison way more than even a short stint in a psychiatric facility.
He could also be detained indefinitely at a mental institution rather than a fixed prison sentence.
@@nomadpurple6154I agree. Once he claims that he isn't mentally competent, he's gonna lose all his rights and have no ability to get them back. Prison sentences end or have possibilities of parole, but mental institutions will hold on to you until they feel you are no longer a danger to yourself/others. That could mean literally forever.
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I often wonder what motivates insanity pleas, outside of cases like Denver Fenton Allen (the man whose transcripts were the basis for the Rick And Morty courtroom sketch). Less than one percent of cases are pled this way, and less than one percent of those succeed. You might as well call up the local jail and make a reservation.
Very few people actually understand psychosis and psychosis is the only definition that fits the legal restraints on an insanity plea, that definitely includes lawyers and judges! A person can be enormously mentally impaired and still be judged as capable. US prisons is actually full to the brim with mentally ill people and making them sicker. The law needs reviewing. Also the description of schizophrenia needs updating. It is a genetically inherited brain disease. The vast majority of people who suffer from it are not an imminent danger to themselves or others unless they are parents. Then they can cause all sorts of damage because their children are an extension of themselves. However of the ones who do commit crimes, out of _that_ group, aggression which is based in fear, is a lot more common.
Expecting a person who has lost control of their reason to prove their insanity “beyond a reasonable doubt” is absolutely absurd!
@@amattes1960 They are expecting other people to prove it for the defendant. But yeah, it is an incredibly high bar.
I hope they lock him up for life, he has never had to take accountability for his own actions.
His lawyer is going to do his job and try whatever he can for his client, but I think this is ridiculous, and hope this guy stays in jail a long time. From what we all saw on the video from his behaviour, he's a very dangerous individual.
So he can be detained indefinitely in a mental institution rather than a fixed prison sentence? That's what he wants?
Even if he were found guilty for everything, all those sentences would be concurrent, would they not?
Where will YOU be when paranoid schizophrenia strikes? One moment you’re in court, making a fairly articulate argument for yourself. The next second - BAM! Paranoid schizophrenia.
I think his best bet would plead guilty, apologize profusely for allowing his emotions to get the best of him. Not likely but 🤷♀️🤷♀️
Can you cover the Clayton Echard paternity case
It is a shame that Mr. Redden will get off scot-free on his "Twinkie Defense".
Seems like more of an Impulse Control Issue than an Insanity issue. My sister has the same issue.
Being unable to control your blinding rage over being punished for something you did, Is not insanity. It's just stupidity.
Lol in Sweden he would be put in a high security prison without parole
I’m Sure His Mamma Or Grandma Are Proud
Well an interview with his sister showed the family think it's not his fault.
Can I say this? This is crazy!
I think he was crazy. He wasn't taking his medication! I have known people who has this diagnosis of schizophrenia.
Yes, they can go crazy and become violent. I feel safe as long as they take their meds.
I am sure he feels sorry and bad for what he did to the judge.
It's stressful to go to court and be sentenced. Image going to court without taking your medication.
What I don't like is prisons have turned into mental institutions. They have people in prisons that need to be in a mental institution.
It's a sad story.
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It's a BS story, he's not insane, not with his long history of battery. People like you are why these monsters keep getting let out over and over to terrorize and victimize people.
Did he decide to not continue taking his medication, or was he not on his medication for another reason?
I understood he didn't take his morning dose. One dose missed is not like missing a tylenol. There is a build up in the system. If he has been off his medications for a while, I would expect to see other symptoms before the attack...he seemed focused and aware of his situation and surroundings.
He seemed to be so in the moment- he was interacting with the court, responding appropriately to the questions (rather than reaction to something only he could see/hear) and then he went and dived for the judge when she told him he was getting jail time, to me that didn't look like someone unable to tell reality from hallucinations/delusions.
I feel really bad for people with Schizophrenia, they're so much more likely to injure themselves than others, I hate that 'oh they're crazy!' seems to be an easy excuse that people jump for with violent crime. So many people with Schizophrenia suffer through really terrifying delusions, feels really offensive to the people living in their own torturous little worlds hurting no one but themselves that it's being used as an excuse.
really appreciate the compassion in this comment, and you're so so right. ppl like this man are contributing to an already poor perception of a serious mental illness, and worse still he's doing it for personal gain. i don't believe prison has any value whatsoever, but even if his defense somehow went through, the alternative isn't much better. personally, i see this situation as a very grim one. this man is obviously dangerous, be that connected with his mental illness or not, but either way he's not going to get the help he needs to address any of those issues. it's easy to laugh or scoff as an onlooker, but personally i just see a tragedy.
Playing Devil’s advocate here: wouldn’t we also consider anger management problems to be insanity in the legal sense? One thing about mental illness is that it affects personality development. Relevant to this case, a schizophrenic person need not be actively having a non-lucid episode at the time of committing an offense because the paranoia can cause intense fear reactions (which include violent anger episodes) over time. This is why schizophrenic individuals often require therapy in addition to medication: the illness is both organic and psychological. Also, the law only requires to *momentary* insanity; it does not require proof that a person was not lucid in the moments before and/or after an illegal act - only the moments *during* it. Therefore, I don’t think we should rush to conclude that lucidity equates to culpability when evaluating an insanity defense. If anything, I would accept an argument that diminished ability to cope with fear and anger due to chronic mental illness caused a moment insanity due to uncontrollable rage.
5:44 _"M'Naughten Rule 1. D did not know or understand his actions at the time he committed them; OR 2. D was not aware that his action was wrong when he committed it."_
I don't think he did know his action was wrong. He thought it was a good thing to do. People usually have a "me me me" attitude that delusionally believes they're the King or Queen at the center of the universe & their own happiness is IMMENSELY IMPORTANT. This is why I eat so much chocolate. From the point of view of this delusion, this judge was attacking the King at the Center of the Universe. Thus she was violating the law & she fully deserved to be punished.
the random insertion of your excessive chocolate consumption in this already somewhat unhinged comment is fucking sending me
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Did not know that spitting on someone is a felony, I’ll tell my kid 😂 TIL
if a repeat offender can't be trusted to take his medications - shouldn't he be held away from society for community safety? Or for his own safety?
Oh you mean the spoilt man child who has always gotten away with his horrible terrible behavior before and couldn't stand a female judge actually holding him accountable? Who knew? Bravo to her staff and clerk who reacted with such swiftness.
I’m so confused; is attempting to murder a 59-year-old not a felony?
Attacking your sentencing judge just as she gives a sentencing you don’t like certainly isn’t smart, but it appears logical. Voices telling you the judge is a demon generally don’t tend to show up at convenient times. Needless to say, I‘m not convinced. Let’s see what his defence comes up with.
He is calmy rattling down all his excuses and defelctions trying to manipulate the outcome - every indication that this is what he does routinely. He follows that up with an outburst of extreme violence that looks no less routine. I would be surprised he acts any different in his private life.
I would agree that this should be treated, but if this is legal insanity, all the narcicistc domestic abusers and and murderers would have to be found insane. I guess you can never be certain but it seems like a huge stretch that you could find a jury (or even one juror) to bite on this ...
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No he can't succeed. It's hard enough to succeed when the claim is obviously real...that he is seemingly lying this is going to go over like a lead balloon. It mostly just tells us that he no other possible defense.