Kykar vs Vega vs Grand Arbiter vs Ikra/Kraum | CEDH Gameplay

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  • @fickett7870
    @fickett7870 Pƙed 2 lety +93

    That had to be the luckiest counterbalance I have ever seen.

    • @djjmandos
      @djjmandos Pƙed 2 lety +4

      Funny, when I saw it cast my first thought was "well, yet another counterbalance that is going to whiff over and over"

  • @djjmandos
    @djjmandos Pƙed 2 lety +40

    As a late 90s early 2000s magic player, I was incredibly excited to see Yawgmoth's Will do Yawgmoth's Will things. I don't get to see it come up often in cEDH channels and I was happy to see how much it powered that final turn and remind me of the days in which it was one of the most powerful spells in the game.

    • @fleb714
      @fleb714 Pƙed 2 lety +7

      it still is super powerful, sadly the exile clause and it costing 1 more mana and not being a permanent all basically make it worse in general than underworld breach, plus the fact that its like 100x cheaper and thats why its played so often more.

    • @djjmandos
      @djjmandos Pƙed 2 lety +9

      @@fleb714 I still feel a bit like they each offer something slightly different. They both require exile in some way, but while breach has more upside as a combo enabler, Will has more upside as value generator and requires less setup to be effective. But I agree that means it occupies a smaller and perhaps less necessary slot.

  • @MeganiumMiiverse
    @MeganiumMiiverse Pƙed 2 lety +91

    counterbalance is the mvp for this most likely

    • @thatonescarecrow4692
      @thatonescarecrow4692 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      Your insight dreads me.

    • @Spicybreadz
      @Spicybreadz Pƙed 2 lety

      For real though - I don't think I've ever seen a Counterbalance put in that much work

  • @collinheavner1049
    @collinheavner1049 Pƙed 2 lety +17

    I have Mike's playmat, the story behind it is my favorite piece of magic event lore

  • @alexandercandicedad1355
    @alexandercandicedad1355 Pƙed 2 lety +5

    A slow start followed by an exciting game of Magic followed by a VERY exciting game of Solitaire. Great video!

  • @Locustnism
    @Locustnism Pƙed 2 lety +31

    While I love other cedh content creators, yours are probably the best in terms or presentation, video quality and strategy analysis.

  • @CheeseWedge056
    @CheeseWedge056 Pƙed 2 lety +38

    Ayy, as a vega player, its great to see someone representing the bird.

    • @Jaakington
      @Jaakington Pƙed 2 lety +1

      Vega is such a cool commander. I love Kaldheim legendary creatures.

    • @Shmegg
      @Shmegg Pƙed 2 lety +1

      OttoVontrapp says this is in the top ten from the PWP gang for interaction.

  • @outtatime9836
    @outtatime9836 Pƙed 2 lety +11

    Come to think of it, so many cards in Cedh are 0 mana, so turning lands into counter spells is so good.

  • @mrmannimaker8509
    @mrmannimaker8509 Pƙed 2 lety +14

    Yes Kykar again. Such a rarely seen strong commander.

  • @commandcovemtg
    @commandcovemtg Pƙed 2 lety +8

    Ohhhhh hot dang, another cEDH vid to bless this Monday. Have a great day everyone!

  • @JTheGameGuy
    @JTheGameGuy Pƙed 2 lety +16

    4:53 to my knowledge clones will copy the base card, Elking his dockside does not help prevent cloning

    • @bustedheadphones
      @bustedheadphones Pƙed 2 lety +7

      It copies whatever the card on board is, so elking does help

    • @krotash7740
      @krotash7740 Pƙed 2 lety +13

      @@bustedheadphones 706.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object’s characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The “copiable values” are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by its face-down status, and by “as . . . enters the battlefield” and “as . . . is turned face up” abilities that set power and toughness (and may also set additional characteristics). Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied.

    • @bustedheadphones
      @bustedheadphones Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@krotash7740 Hmmm I never knew that, thank you for correcting me. Definitely helps with my Krark/Sakashima deck

  • @derekmccoy2799
    @derekmccoy2799 Pƙed 2 lety +2

    Mike keeping that hand on the back of a ponder! Love it!

  • @Decavolty
    @Decavolty Pƙed 2 lety +3

    That might be the most use I've ever seen a Counterbalance get in all my years... holy shit

  • @TheMormonatorChannel
    @TheMormonatorChannel Pƙed 2 lety +2

    I can't say for sure, but that Vega list looks a lot like the Definitely Not Derevi list that was featured for a short time on the cEDH DDB Brewer's Corner with a few (2) minor changes, namely the Labman effects for a faster end. It's a pleasure to see Vega finally get some attention as a cEDH Azorious Commander that has an outlet in the command zone for something as compact as IsoRev. Thanks for featuring the list, Zack!

  • @leelandsawicki8688
    @leelandsawicki8688 Pƙed 2 lety +12

    Cant believe you guys dont have more subs! Love the content!

  • @jayharyu927
    @jayharyu927 Pƙed 2 lety +7

    Archmage Emeritus deserves more love, great card

  • @mose9629
    @mose9629 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    I absolutely loved this game, it was the first in a while where I was actually yelling at my screen and cheering when certain plays happened.

  • @mistercastillo6517
    @mistercastillo6517 Pƙed 2 lety +8

    The C in cedh stands for counterbalance

  • @ScarletMimic
    @ScarletMimic Pƙed 2 lety +4

    The entire game was held in check by Mindcensor, with Counterbalance being a flashy (and effective) distraction.

  • @orsettomorbido
    @orsettomorbido Pƙed 2 lety +2

    Loved the plays areound the Coliseum!

  • @TripsAhoy
    @TripsAhoy Pƙed 2 lety +3

    That was some ending!! Very nice. And wow counterbalance was nasty this game!

  • @NordicRest
    @NordicRest Pƙed 2 lety +6

    While Mike's line was glorious, was it possible for him to just cast Thoracle, and Pact to 3 cards in library? With Counterbalance out, he'd have at least 4 devotion, meaning he still wins off the trigger.

  • @chandlermiller3944
    @chandlermiller3944 Pƙed 2 lety +11

    Honestly though dockside creating aver 30 mana on the last turn was also a very MVC moment. Such a busted card.

  • @ArrekBawrrin
    @ArrekBawrrin Pƙed 2 lety

    That was so convoluted and awesome..... I love watching these games

  • @kingmric
    @kingmric Pƙed 2 lety +9

    Crim from the commander clash would love that counterbalance play

  • @tonyorazio1122
    @tonyorazio1122 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    Mike has the meme mat! Real recognize real

  • @mrgrowlmon
    @mrgrowlmon Pƙed 2 lety +3

    I appreciate Reo already with that Flamedramon mat. Cheers.

  • @bombviolinist728
    @bombviolinist728 Pƙed 2 lety +5

    @16:00 Mike casts an imperial seal just then ponder AND SHUFFLES IT AWAY???

  • @MoshingJosh
    @MoshingJosh Pƙed 2 lety +2

    Nice! I hope to see Tatyova in the mix again soon!

  • @DarkEinherjar
    @DarkEinherjar Pƙed 2 lety +11

    I want to play MtG...
    Counterbalance: "HOW ABOUT NO!?"

  • @zanderwoods5434
    @zanderwoods5434 Pƙed 2 lety +2

    16:00 did Mike just tutor a card to the top with seal and then shuffle it away with ponder? Or did the narrator perhaps mean to saw draws instead of shuffles.

  • @Orelusz
    @Orelusz Pƙed 2 lety +3

    Mike was amazing in there I loved it!

  • @JTheGameGuy
    @JTheGameGuy Pƙed 2 lety +2

    Missed multiple Kraum triggers at 13:20 end step

  • @AndreasRChaos
    @AndreasRChaos Pƙed 2 lety +1

    That counterbalance the counterbalance was epic

  • @GabrielGarcia-ss1cp
    @GabrielGarcia-ss1cp Pƙed 2 lety +2

    Yawgmoths will and mnemonic betrayal were 2nd and 3rd MVPs

  • @josehaya6362
    @josehaya6362 Pƙed 2 lety

    question for REO: why do you mill yourself? thanks!

  • @superskaldy
    @superskaldy Pƙed 2 lety +1

    Holy shit what a game!
    Mike played out of his God damn mind!!!

  • @viniciusbraga5698
    @viniciusbraga5698 Pƙed 2 lety +3

    All you need is deflecting swat to deal with coliseum

  • @gamerryu
    @gamerryu Pƙed 2 lety

    Why did you never play the counter balance trigger on the Sol Ring in the beginning?

  • @1ntegrator
    @1ntegrator Pƙed 2 lety +1

    Amazing game!

  • @sirChrisCTTV
    @sirChrisCTTV Pƙed rokem

    I have never seen so many win conditions in one turn all at once... amazing performance

  • @GaucheEtVeule
    @GaucheEtVeule Pƙed 2 lety +2

    Best comeback ever!

  • @thesicknessx30
    @thesicknessx30 Pƙed 2 lety

    Where is Mike's playmat from..? I want one...

  • @benslater9322
    @benslater9322 Pƙed 2 lety +2

    finally some Vega recognition!

  • @patrickgydeaskham1530
    @patrickgydeaskham1530 Pƙed 2 lety

    Omg I love Mikes playmat

  • @0909kenneth1
    @0909kenneth1 Pƙed 2 lety

    At 12:40 is the Dockside cast not illegal or am I missing something?

  • @Samuelllllllllll
    @Samuelllllllllll Pƙed 2 lety +2

    this is probably a bad suggestion, but I've found false dawn really useful in kykar, helps fix all your mana for the turn including those you get from spirits and rituals

    • @kingfuzzy2
      @kingfuzzy2 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      Celestial dawn also works as a more permanent solution.

  • @spawnofnerds1843
    @spawnofnerds1843 Pƙed 2 lety

    How did mark get those cards in old boarders

  • @Tattersail
    @Tattersail Pƙed 2 lety

    why does the revealed card on top of Zacks library go back face down instead of staying revealed?

  • @KingCez100
    @KingCez100 Pƙed 2 lety

    Wow what a game is right!

  • @thisisbigbear
    @thisisbigbear Pƙed 2 lety +1

    I really thought Marc was gonna come back there for a second. Also, Counterbalance is super rude. Lmao

  • @subzerokstyles
    @subzerokstyles Pƙed 2 lety

    The counterbalance still triggered from the bottom of the stack even tho it was destroyed from the blast at the top of the stack?

  • @guillermogomez7429
    @guillermogomez7429 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    Still watching but turn 11 for Marc so good lol

  • @joshcarson2879
    @joshcarson2879 Pƙed 2 lety

    I miss the storm counter, I love seeing how big it gets

  • @BetterCallKahl
    @BetterCallKahl Pƙed 2 lety

    Is that a competitive persistent Petitioners deck?

  • @014TheValentino
    @014TheValentino Pƙed 2 lety +1

    Nice kykar

  • @kingfuzzy2
    @kingfuzzy2 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    Love me some hot arbiter action ( :

  • @zfite1458
    @zfite1458 Pƙed rokem

    It's so great only ever seeing thassa wins, plz diversify. There are plenty of other fast ways to win.

  • @ElyrionX
    @ElyrionX Pƙed 2 lety +2

    Marc mulling away the second land and keeping Lotus Petal instead is so greedy

  • @fusion9175
    @fusion9175 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    11:35 where does Marc get the white mana to cast kykar?

    • @MeganiumMiiverse
      @MeganiumMiiverse Pƙed 2 lety

      I think you are right. I think they made an error.

    • @marvel_imagine1713
      @marvel_imagine1713 Pƙed 2 lety

      He has a Plateau

    • @fusion9175
      @fusion9175 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@marvel_imagine1713 maybe a miss say on the lands the used bc it said Shivan reef and fiery islet which are both red blue lands

    • @SamuelKacerik
      @SamuelKacerik Pƙed 2 lety +2

      This had been a trend for some time now. In the commentary you usually hear the player only taps one or couple of lands to cast a spell even if they tap more like in this case. There was a Plateau on the table.
      edit. I mean no offense but it is also a mystery to me that you are asking about the white mana especially because Plateau was the only land Marc had on the table for some time at the beginning.

    • @HansHurin
      @HansHurin Pƙed 2 lety +1

      Should be the Plateau from his starting hand

  • @SubSonicEctomorph
    @SubSonicEctomorph Pƙed 2 lety

    If you guys know. Grolnok player, I would love to see him on your channel

  • @mentosmuncher
    @mentosmuncher Pƙed 2 lety +2

    Fuck yeh counterbalance!!! Spicy game

  • @austindizzle33
    @austindizzle33 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    What was the point of Marc countering to let cyclonic rift resolve?

    • @Insharai
      @Insharai Pƙed 2 lety +3

      He was super behind, so slowing down the two other players was in his benefit. He was also behind on lands and drawing into a fetch with mindsensor would have been tragic xD

    • @briantjokroadiguno4566
      @briantjokroadiguno4566 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      he didnt really have anything on board

  • @blakerobinson4198
    @blakerobinson4198 Pƙed 2 lety

    Most effective counter balance i have EVER seen, bahahaha.

  • @Tattersail
    @Tattersail Pƙed 2 lety

    Also how long until Dockside gets banned from Commander?

  • @basvopheusden
    @basvopheusden Pƙed 2 lety

    To play around cephalid coliseum, wouldn't it have been easier for Mike to make sure he has 3 devotion (oko + oracle) and go down to 3 cards with the tainted pact?

    • @ggpt9641
      @ggpt9641 Pƙed 2 lety

      That would require knowing the 3rd most bottom card to name with Pact also.

    • @NMS127
      @NMS127 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@ggpt9641 That would be true with Demonic Consultation, but not with Tainted Pact. You just exile cards until you choose to stop and keep the last one (or hit a duplicate).

  • @themantyf1116
    @themantyf1116 Pƙed 2 lety +3

    Completely honest? That win felt bad.
    You had Yawgmoth's Will, Bolas' Citadel, a wild storm count... and it was just to get a thoracle win.
    It's just an amazing set-up for a stale pay-off.

  • @elemint2
    @elemint2 Pƙed 2 lety

    What did Marc do to piss off the table?

  • @matigow
    @matigow Pƙed 2 lety +1

    This game was hilarious

  • @shilohartisan
    @shilohartisan Pƙed 2 lety

    6:26 what about Counterbalance for Sol Ring?

    • @milesroberts5910
      @milesroberts5910 Pƙed 2 lety

      Counterbalance is a may, so Zack chose to not trigger it, I believe.

  • @Bob-fe8qn
    @Bob-fe8qn Pƙed 2 lety +1

    Me when kykar rep happens 👍👍👍👍

  • @uriahatkinson2103
    @uriahatkinson2103 Pƙed 2 lety

    Wow this was a game ..if u going to mill in my opinion go full mill? Gg everyone see u next time

  • @Insharai
    @Insharai Pƙed 2 lety

    Not that he couldn't vapor linvala, but doesn't she stop all treasure activation/artifact stuff?

    • @superdoodle2
      @superdoodle2 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      Linvala only turns off activated abilities of creatures

  • @AidanWR
    @AidanWR Pƙed 2 lety

    Only 7 counterbalance counters? I thought there was more

  • @salvatorestabile5547
    @salvatorestabile5547 Pƙed 2 lety

    An epic game reduced to another thoracle win...

  • @TheHaSh27
    @TheHaSh27 Pƙed 2 lety

    I think I speak for everyone when I say: WTF Mike

  • @weegeelinguini3704
    @weegeelinguini3704 Pƙed 2 lety +7

    4:54 this wouldn't work. Clones entering as a copy of "elkside" would enter as non elked docksides

    • @codydalton7728
      @codydalton7728 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      considering it makes it a 3/3 elk i think it works

    • @weegeelinguini3704
      @weegeelinguini3704 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@codydalton7728 Nope. Effects that change a creature into something else have to specifically say become a copy, otherwise their copyable values (707.2) are unchanged.

    • @weegeelinguini3704
      @weegeelinguini3704 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      If he had used, say True polymorph, it would have prevented anyone from copying dockside.

    • @zotmaster
      @zotmaster Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@weegeelinguini3704 I thought I was going crazy because I thought the same thing. It's like how you can use Imprisoned in the Moon on, say, a planeswalker, then use Vesuva to copy the Moon'd walker, and what you end up with is the walker.

    • @weegeelinguini3704
      @weegeelinguini3704 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@zotmaster correct

  • @gildedvibrations8927
    @gildedvibrations8927 Pƙed 2 lety

    I like my flavor disks

  • @keithhowerton6427
    @keithhowerton6427 Pƙed 2 lety

    Can thassa's oracle just be banned already?!

  • @patricborlini4202
    @patricborlini4202 Pƙed 2 lety

    reo's cephalic coliseum looking thassa oracle winning without doing nothing....oke

  • @jfb-
    @jfb- Pƙed 2 lety +4

    elking dockside doesn't prevent it from being cloned

    • @reivax2654
      @reivax2654 Pƙed 2 lety

      Yeah but who wants a 3/3 elk with no abilities

    • @RoastedPheasant
      @RoastedPheasant Pƙed 2 lety +5

      Oko makes it so the "dockside extortionist" object is no longer a Goblin Pirate with an ETB. Clones would enter as 3/3 elks named Dockside Extortionist.

    • @jfb-
      @jfb- Pƙed 2 lety +3

      @@RoastedPheasant That's not true. Clones apply in layer 1 and thus look at the base characteristics of an object, which doesn't include oko's effect.

  • @aquablue3dsi
    @aquablue3dsi Pƙed 2 lety +2

    Many people out here not knowing that Elking Dockside doesn't stop clone shenanigans. *Laughs in 706.2. *

  • @sergiodelatorre9127
    @sergiodelatorre9127 Pƙed 2 lety

    Seriously, is there any hope left for in person cedh videos?

  • @coldadept
    @coldadept Pƙed 2 lety +1

    Kind of weird that Marc played that Mana Crypt. I guess Zack didn't trigger his counterbalance when Kraum was casted?

  • @markbrown6740
    @markbrown6740 Pƙed 2 lety +3

    More pauper cedh 🙏🙏

  • @whitelakeart
    @whitelakeart Pƙed 2 lety +1

    There was no need to play around coliseum, since his devotion was above 3, thus he could left 3+ in his library with tainted pact and than win

    • @PlayingWithPowerMTG
      @PlayingWithPowerMTG  Pƙed 2 lety +2

      Very true. Tbf, this game ended around midnight and we were all tired

  • @Serouzo
    @Serouzo Pƙed 2 lety

    Oko-ing the Dockside won't prevent it from being cloned. Clones can still enter the battlefield as a proper Dockside.

  • @OBZEDAT
    @OBZEDAT Pƙed 2 lety

    it's never just a value tainted pact... never

  • @alfredolubrano8594
    @alfredolubrano8594 Pƙed 2 lety +2

    This comment has been countered by counterbalance

  • @ShadowWasntHere8433
    @ShadowWasntHere8433 Pƙed 2 lety

    Um
 Oko can’t take Emeritus.

  • @seanmurphy3430
    @seanmurphy3430 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    Milling your opponents with Brain Freeze only to then win with Thassa's Oracle is just rude.

  • @jameswalterii1911
    @jameswalterii1911 Pƙed 2 lety

    Tired of Thoracle 😑

  • @ChefBoyarBlump
    @ChefBoyarBlump Pƙed 2 lety

    Wtf i didnt follow any of that game