Rohloff Speedhub Oil Change
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- A short "How to" video on changing the oil in your Rohloff Speedhub. Rohloff recommends changing your oil every 5000km (3100 miles) or annually.
🔥Changing the oil out on tour. Here we are cycle touring from Deadhorse, Alaska to Ushuaia, Argentina and I am changing the oil in our Rohloff hubs.
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🔥Changing the oil out on tour. Here we are cycle touring from Deadhorse, Alaska to Ushuaia, Argentina and I am changing the oil in our Rohloff hubs.
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This was the best! Easy to understand and slow enough to take it in. Great. Thanks
Thank you for the feeback CR. Sorry that missed your reply, but I don't recall getting a notification you posted this. Thank you ~Ron
The best so far on how to do it. Thanks for your time. The video was great no worries on the filming.
Many thanks Pedro for the compliment and feedback. ~Ron
Best video on CZcams to change oil. Job well done
Thank you for the feedback and compliment Patrick. Truly much appreciated and happy to hear it worked out for you. ~Ron
Thank you for posting this! It helped me today with my first Rohloff oil change! Beautiful bike btw!
Hello Mathi you're welcome and many thanks for the feedback. Happy to hear the video helped and thank you for the compliment on the bike. ~Ron
Thanks for the demonstration.
You're welcome and thank you. Good luck with your oil change, it's really easy to do. ~Ron
Great explanation!
Thank you Charles and appreciate the feedback! Currently we are bike touring the Americas and I’ve had to do one oil change already on the bikes.
Great video glad you're enjoying your rohloff like me and your Pitlock security skewers protecting these 1k wheels. To all people reading this is important in a modern world. Forget quick release. They're worth the 47 quid. Please get a set of Pitlock stainless security skewers. They haven't yet been broken into and have over 1000 unique replaceable keys. I love mine.
Thank you for the feedback Shane! YES love the Rohloff and good eye catching the Pitlock skewers. We also use them for the stem and seat post clamp and we have the same key for both bikes. Well worth the few extra quid, dollars, or euros that's for sure.
Great video. Thanks.
Thank you for the compliment and you're welcome Russell.
Thank you really helpful that you talk us through it and we can see it as well. Greatly appreciated 👍
You're very welcome and thank you for watching and the feedback. Good luck with your oil change and if you have any other questions feel free to hit us up. ~Ron
Thanks!
Welcome!
Thanks, though you don't need to worry about getting the last bits of air out (this isn't a surgical injection). I also did just a little more to clean out the mucky old oil and cleaning oil mix before putting in the fresh oil (seems a shame to put any of the old gunk back in). And yes, the instructions say the switching between gears 3 & 5 ensures that all the orbital elements get cleaned.
Appreciate the feedback Phil. Yeah the air thing well... as soon as I don't get all the air out I'll hear about that too. ;-) It's all good and all tips and tricks are welcomed. Happy Cycling and safe adventures!! Cheers from Florida! ~Ron
Thanks
You're welcome TennisPlayer.
Dont use the ball end of an allen key to tighten or loosen a grub screw or bolt, it will round the allen key off.
Also when extracting the gear oil dont start off with the syringe piston bottomed.
Because the hub is sealed, you will be pulling a vacuum by sucking the oil out so pull a small amount of oil into the syringe then push some air back into the hub then pull a little more oil out. Do it in stages so you get more oil out.
Appreciate the feedback and the additional tips. ~Ron
That was very interesting to me
thank you for the feedback James. Do you own a Rohloff hub?
I do not but it is a wishlist item. I am ready to ditch cassettes.
saving up for one of these to put on my disc trucker
Awesome and we're pretty sure you will be happy with it. Do yourself a favor and get the 36 hole one. Also, going to warn you now that, it will take some time for it to break in and get smooth and your rear end will feel much heavier, but if you ask us, it is worth it. Gear 7 is loud so if you find yourself cycling more often than not in 7 or 8 change out your sprockets so that you are more in 9 or 10 on the flats. This should also give you plenty on the climbs without blowing out your knees. Good luck and please let us know when you are setup with your new wheel. ~Ron
Great run through of the process. That oil might be biodegradable, but do beware of spilling ANY of it on your disc-brake rotor or pads; that WILL give you some problems. How much oil is in the Rohloff kit bottles now? I have given up on this oil option as it is SO expensive. We buy the 250ml bottles for a LOT less per 100ml, and use these at home. I have some 25ml bottles that I could fill up to take with me on extended tours, though normally an oil change at the start of my major tours has always seen me fine. My longest tours have been 3,500km, well within the Rohloff oil-change spec. Another point - I only fill the Rohloff with 15ml of oil. This ensures that I have minimal seepage and no oil drops that often concern some new Rohloff users. 25ml of oil is actually over-filling; messy oil seepage and drips will result.
Hello Peter! Appreciate your feedback and tips. Yeah for sure you would want to avoid any oil and/or grease from getting on your rotor. However, it does happen sometimes, so be sure to clean it off before rolling down the road. Really like the idea of buying larger quantity and just refilling the smaller bottles as needed. Cheers and happy cycling! ~Ron
that air in/out is no problem just push it in with bubbles because the hub is not totally filled with oil just half or so.
Thanks Matty for the feedback. Yeah I am just being a little anal about it. :-) Cheers and Happy New Year from Mexico! ~Ron
Thanks for overview😉👍🏻... mine needs it’s first oil change before next tour in spring 2018! Rohloff say it needs changing at 5,000km or 1 year. Do you think it’s okay to leave oil change until you next tour/use bike if well over 1 year?
Hello Phil and thank you for your question. Well what I think and what Rohloff says are two different things, so I don't want to void your warranty; however, this is what I did. For the first oil change, I changed ours before the scheduled 5000km because for me this was the break in period and I wanted to get that oil out. After this, I have changed ours roughly every 4000 miles (no annual or date timeframe) and so far no issues. We have over 16,000 miles on these hubs, most of them are from our 25 months traveling. Now if I lived and cycled in cold wet muddy nasty (typical Northern European weather) conditions day after day, I'd probably follow Rohloff's suggestions. I believe the Speedhub was initially targeted for off road MTBers in these conditions, so maybe this is why they recommend every 5000km (~3100miles) or annually. Again this is only my opinion and what I've done with our hubs. Are you going to vLog or Blog your upcoming tour? If so, we'd like to check it out and live through your adventures. 🍻🍻
Pedal Power Touring thanks that’s really helpful advice👍🏻 my instagram is tarkacountry
right on and you're very welcome. We'll be checking out your instagram.
generally i go for the bike iff it has a rohloff hub all well and good but i havent seen bikes with this hub as standard.....S A are two a dozen
It just installed a Bafang mid-drive motor kit onto my recumbent trike. Do you think the Rohloff would be a good match with the kit. I'm trying to get away from my low-hanging derailleur in back and also gain an additional 4 gears. Wondering if it is worth the $2000+ price tag. Are you happy with hub? Served you well?
Hello David thank you for question and I apologize for the late reply. We've actually been out on a mini-bike touring trip this past few days. So here is what I know about the Bafang electric motor kit. A few years ago, I helped my youngest brother install one on his Surly Big Dummy and he too has a Rohloff Speedhub. He has commuted for a few years with this setup and has had no issues (knock on wood) so far. Prior to installing the Bafang electric motor, he bike toured, commuted daily, and would haul nearly anything/everything with his Big Dummy with the Rohloff. We have well over 16,000 miles on our Rohloff hubs and I also have a Rohloff on my XC MTB/Bike-packing bike which gets a beating in the woods here in Florida. My brother and us have been very pleased with Rohloff and have had no issues with them. Are they worth the upgraded price? That is only something you can decide, but I can say, we are very happy with ours and I would buy another one today if I needed to. They are heavy and do require oil changes, so please keep this in mind should you decide to go this route. I hope I was able to help and not make things even more confusing; however, should you have any other questions please feel free to ask and I'll do my best to answer. ~Ron
Thank you, Ron. Much appreciated. I'll throw your information into the hopper of my brain and make a decision. Take care, Brother.
You're very welcome and good luck with your decision. ~Ron
How does a Rohloff compare to cassette gearing, or the Pinion system? Can you use the Rohloff with a multi-chain ring?
That's kind of a wide open topic comparing Rohloff to your traditional drive train and probably hard to try and cover here. However, let's give it a go. So the Rohloff shifting can be done at anytime, pedaling or not. Shifting is dead on and you never experience ghost shifting. We have around 17K miles and not a single issue or shifting problem/adjustment. There are no external components that can be broken. It has 14 gears internally, but you can make chain length adjustments by changing out your rear and/or front sprockets. Currently, we are running with 38/17 combination and this is really close to your typical 3x9 - 27 speed MTB bike. Chains last longer because they are not being twisted like on your traditional drive train. There is no rear wheel dishing on a Rohloff built wheel, so the wheel is stronger than your standard wheel builds. The rear sprocket can be flipped around as it wears out, so you get more life out of it. Downsides on the Rohloff. Expensive and a tad bit heavier than your standard drive train. It requires an oil change every so many thousand miles. It's probably best to have a Rohloff ready frame, but this is not required because they do make some add-on pieces that allow you to use any frame. If it were to fail, extremely rare that I am aware of, but it does happen, you would need to send it back to Rohloff or to one of their authorized repair shops and I don't believe there are many of these. And I am sure if I took more time, I could come up with a few more pros/cons. As for the Pinion system, since I have not used one, I won't comment about these. However, I don't think I would ever use one for a long term bike tour. Also, regarding a front multi-chain ring with the Rohloff, I'm not going to say it can't be done, but I don't know why you would need or want to. There are plenty of gears already and as long as you setup the right combo front/rear chain ring combo, you should be good to go. Just keep in my Rohloff's rule about going less than 2:1 ratio (I think that is it) depending on your weight when putting together the chain-ring combinations. Our 38/17 is like 2.23:1 and we found this to be pretty good overall for fully loaded touring. Hope this helps. If you have any other questions please feel free to ask. ~Ron
pinion best imo, but both are quality. Pinion will take more abuse and is 18 gears. You can have bafang with both. Pinion is built like a brick dhit house. But pinion frames for bicycle. I have run pinion and rohloff in my velomobiels.
Hello What model Co-Motion bike is that? Thanks for the video, it is very helpful
Hello Jarod and appreciate you watching the video. We have their Pangea model and have had them since 2012. They are solid bikes and can carry a heavy load nicely. We've taken them on a 25 month (2013-2015) round the world and we are currently in Central Mexico, started cycling last June 2021 from Deadhorse, Alaska and hope to reach Argentina. If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask or shoot us an email at pedalpowertouring@gmail.com - Happy cycling! ~Ron
@@PedalPowerTouring G'day Ron, Thank you for responding. I would like to build my own machine and I think the Co-Motion Pangea would be a good start. Sounds like you have some amazing adventures lined up.
@@MrMetalhead33 You're very welcome and really if you have any other questions please let me know. If you talk to the guys at Co-Motion send my "Hello" to them. :-) Yeah I guess you could say that we've had/have some pretty amazing adventures. Paid a lot of money for the bikes, so we want to get our money's worth from them. :-)
How do you know its time to change the oil? Is there resistance? Can neglecting this importance ruin the hub?
I recommend reading what Rohloff suggests and make your own determination from that. No I don't recall ever feeling any resistance either from rolling or shifting. I mean sure there is a break-in period and during this time the hub seems a bit loud (mostly in 7th gear) and it may not coast as far as you would like, but after breaking the hub in it seems to get quieter and rolls along nicely. As for voiding your warranty, I would suggest reading Rohloffs warranty and maintenance schedule. I can you, I did not change our oil as per their recommendations and our hubs still roll and shift very nice and with more than 17,000 miles, not a single issue with them. ~Ron
You did not cover your brake disc with paper ;) Anyway - nice video! What do you think - how many times I can reuse original hub screw?
haha funny Adam, but you are probably right, maybe I should have made a comment about not getting the oil on your brakes or disk. I can't really comment or say how many times you can reuse the drain screw, but I imagine you would be ok with 2 or maybe 3 times. However, there is no need in doing this if you have the kit because it comes with a new screw, but if you were to lose it while changing your oil then sure use the old screw. You can always always add a small piece of teflon or "plumbers" tape and use it over and over I imagine. As long as you can still use your Allen wrench to remove and reinstall it and the threads are ok. Thank you for the comment and your question.
Thanks for your answer :) My question about drain screw is because I have 200ml set of oils, so I don't have any replacement of this screw. I hope oryginal one will work for a long time.
I had a feeling this is why you were asking about the screw. Yeah I would say the screw could be used over and over and over as long it is not stripped out. The new screw comes with a little teflon tape on it the helps to seal it so no oil seeps out, but otherwise it is nothing special. Teflon tape is nothing special and you should be able to pick it from most hardware stores. I know in US it is very common.
I have some teflon tapes in my garage! :) - Also I guess that drop of Loctite should work.
Great video. Exactly what I’m looking for. I was told to do an oil change every 5,000km but I’ve heard some say do it every year?
Do you have idea if the latter advice is also valid?
Hello OpenMind and thank you for watching and for the compliment. So as for the timeframe on when you should change your oil. I'm not going to contradict what Rohloff says because it most likely will void your warranty. This is from Rohloff, "The oil must be changed at least once a year or every 5000km. This process enables us to ensure any lost oil is replaced and any penetrated moisture is rinsed back out." Since we are currently a long tour, we're hitting the mileage/kilometer mark sooner than the yearly requirement for our touring bikes. I do have a Rohloff on my MTB back home as well and even with it I typically just wait for the mileage to add up before changing the oil. Hope this helps. Take care and happy cycling! ~Ron
@@PedalPowerTouring thank you for your response. You’ve confirmed what I suspected but it’s good to have it laid out as you have done.
I’m back cycling for the first time in nearly 45 years. Bought an amazing Riese & Müller ebike with an E14 Rohloff hub. After two and a half months I’m nearly at 1,000 km so at this rate I’ll be doing an oil change before next may.
Now I know how to do it I’ve ordered the oil change kit online.
Wish I had the time to go on a grand tour but I’m still working full time. Best of LFC luck on your travels. You’ve earned a subscription. 👍🚵♂️
@@myopenmind527 much appreciated and happy cycling my friend. 45 year break is a long time, but I guess once you know how to ride a bike you never forget. Enjoy the E-bike, they've come a long ways and are very very popular here in Europe. ~Ron
5,000km or every year. Whichever comes first. For me mostly it is the 5,000km, but in the last couple of years I have not done that distance within a year.
Does your hub stay clean or leak oil all over flange and skewer and shift box like mine does per few hundred miles. Mine gets filthy to point it pisses me off
Hey there Shane! Yeah they both leak some and I just clean them up. On the cog side I am not sure if it's from lubing the chain or not, but over on the gearbox we do have oil for sure. We met two other cyclists over on Baja that sent their wheels in for warranty repair because their's were leaking pretty bad from what I understand. Happy cycling my friend. ~Ron
Can we use this oil to Shimano Alfine 11 hub ? And the same external hose 3mm will fit to Alfine ?
Hey there Chandra. I have no idea if the same oil or kit can be used in Shimano's hub. I've never worked on one, so to be safe I would look up the specs for that hub yourself. Sorry I can't help, but thank you for the question and for checking out the video. Good luck and if find anything out please let us know. Take care and happy cycling! ~Ron
you should use gears 3 or 4 since all gearing wheels are spinning at these
Thanks for the feedback JK. Not exactly sure what you mean by using gears 3 or 4. I know we are geared so that on the flats doing normal cycling we are in gear 9 or 10. Rarely do we ever get into the higher gears unless we're zipping downhill and want to go a little faster. The lower end gears are used for climbing and gear 1 is just right for us for those really long step mountain pass climbs under full load. We are 38 in the front and 17 in the rear to get this ratio. ~Ron
Rohloff, for the reason your mention JK, said 3-4 and 5.
From their instructions: "...while simultaniously switching between gears #3 and #5. In these gears all planetary gear sets are in use...".
Hi. I have a 350w geared rear hub motor. Which requires me to put 35ml of gear oil in. What sort of gear oil do you use for this. Thanks in advance
Hey there RicSil69. Appreciate the question and you're welcome. We only use oil from Rohloff. The kit cost around $30 or so and comes with everything needed to properly change the oil in a Rohloff. ~Ron
Would the oil work on any motor or just a specific motor. Many thanks👍🏼
@@RicSil69 I wish I could answer you, but this is something you would need to reach out to your hub manufacture and ask them. My understanding is Rohloff's oil is designed for their hubs, so I am just going to leave it at that. Please not that Rohloff hubs are not motors or driven by any sort of electricity. They are internally geared hubs that's all. Good luck and if you find the answer we'd like to hear about it. Happy cycling! ~Ron
it shocked me that Rohloff costs 1100 euro. Does it last a lifetime? or how many km?
Hello Ravenfall and thanks for the comment. We currently have about16,000 miles (~25,700km) worth of cycling on them in all sorts of weather conditions and (knock on wood) have had zero issues, not even something as small as an adjustment. Yeah it's an expensive upgrade for sure, but then again how much would the top of line Shimano or SRAM cost you for a complete setup? There are cheaper options for sure, but I have to ask you this. How many of those standard or cheaper drivetrains will have zero issues after having that many cycling miles/kilometers? Will they last a lifetime? Will the Rohloff last a lifetime? Hard to say, but I am more than happy owning them. I also own a Rohloff on my MTB XC bike and couldn't be happier. I am not a spokesperson for Rohloff, nor to I have anything whatsoever to do with Rohloff, but they make a great product. Thanks again for commenting, much appreciated. ~Ron
My Rohloff is up to 65,000km and still running fine. A friend of mine has one from 1998, still in use. As for the price, it was the BEST $A1100 that I have ever spent. I have saved at least that much in the past 11 years in worn cassettes and snaggy cables, plus a whole lot of time-savings in reduced maintenance.
Going to the park with your syringe.
sturnley archer uses grease a lot less fuss
Thank you for the tip. Sadly never heard of Sturnley Archer so we looked them up. It appears they only go up to 8 speed, so unless it has some crazy gearing, I am not sure that would work for cycle touring. As for fuss, changing the oil once in awhile is no big deal considering we have had zero issues with our hubs (knock on wood).
this looks like its only three speed
The Rohloff is a 14 Speed. We are setup using a 38 x 17 combination and this works out very nice for us. Plenty of low gear end for those long and steep climbs without blowing the knees. And for flat cycling we are generally in gear 9 or 10 which is fine.
its how often you have to do it and changing oil does not prevent a eventual strip down
oil is a much better lube than grease and the S A hub is like an old model T and just as clunky an has a bad habit of getting stuck in gear and doesn't like shifting gears while stationary as Phil Weatherley said it's a bad comparison ......hell if you want a cheaper 3speed hub the shimano inter 3 is a far better hub than the S A and it's a lot stronger and smoother than the S A..... if more gears are needed but people don't want to spend the big $$ of the rohloff go for the shimano alfine 8 or 11 speed hubs.....
I thought one would remove the existing oil before adding the cleaning oil, just to remove as much abrasive gunk as possible.
Hello Eric and thank you for the comment. Yeah that would probably make more sense, but no you add the cleaning oil to the old oil, then remove both at the same time. This is why the cleaning oil bottle is larger too, so it can hold both oils.
That was my idea too Eric. You do need an extra bottle to put in the first sucked out oil.
That is NOT how the process works for Rohloff. The cleaning oil is used to flush out all of the old oil (together with the junk).
I cant believe you never cut the top of the fresh oil bottle and poured it in the hole. That is why the black top is the shape it is. You clearly did not put the full amount back as there was some in the bottle and the contaminated syringe. The rest has been said.
Appreciate the feedback Alan. Well I forget now how many oil changes I've done so far, but I can say that I've never had a single issue with any of the 3 Rohloff hubs I own. ~Ron
Not at this time
Well should you ever go to one, we're pretty certain you will be pleased with it. ~Ron
Remove the old oil first folks! Don't do it like this out of focus dude.
Thanks John for the feedback and yeah we were having some camera focusing issues. Before anyone decides to follow your instructions, here is a link back to Rohloff and their official oil changing instructions and you may want to read up on them too. www.rohloff.de/fileadmin/user_upload/3_Service_En_2015_03_web.pdf Have a great day and happy cycling. ~Ron
Absolute scrap circuit!
Two times oil loss next to bike big puddles!
3 slips through the gears at full speed, almost had an accident!
Not switchable from one second to the other 13-14 gear .....
Disadvantages of the Rohloff circuit!
1. Much too difficult!
2. Oil loss ..... again and again!
3. Too high a price for such scrap
4. If you are lucky, the 13 and 14 gears go from time to time!
5. Sending in every damage takes 2-5 weeks!
6. Rohloff is more broken than she is going!
Appreciate the comment and sorry you're having issues with yours. We own three bikes that run Rohloff hubs and as mentioned in the video traveled for more than 25 months and have more than 16,000 miles on our 2 touring bikes without a single issue. My other bike is a MTB and I've had a Rohloff on it for over 4 years now and estimate 2000 hard off road single track sometimes axle deep in water miles and again zero issues. Hope you get yours fixed and happy cycling. ~Ron
yes, ya haf to mail in the older rohloffs, some new bearings, and the new style neoprene seals. That fixes the rohloff. None of u have read the current rohloff stuff.
A very ecological workshop. Oil will drip into the ground? So what? This is not my land. It is a pity that you did not fall the screw into the grass, you would go home with dry Rohloff.
Too funny and thanks for watching Pip!! You may want to look up what Rohloff oil is before spouting out nonsense! Have a great day and happy cycling. ~Ron
Get a life.
Great video, thanks
You're very welcome and thank you for watching! Happy Cycling! ~Ron & Petra