He had a running start going in because he worked as a psychotherapist for years before going in to the camps. He worked with his patients and realized that what they were lacking was meaning. He would send his most depressed patients who were struggling with unemployment to go and work as volunteers and they started feeling better. He called it needing meaning but in your framework that would mean doing Te or Fe work for your tribe to get away from Fi or Ti despair. And it worked. You didn’t even need to be paid for your Te and Fe work. People just need to feel like they are needed. That they can do something for someone else. He is brilliant.
This is dead on the money. I have had serious health issues hit me very hard on top of a childhood that was very comfortable but with a lot of adversity, I guess being an ENFJ my Ni is always future looking and "it will get better". I volunteer whenever and wherever I can and it always helps and I find most people to be absolutely shocked at how intense my Fe can be and I end up making a big difference in the end.
Such a good example of what Ni is doing. Logotherapy is the result of him finding the common ground among other popular theories at the time. He talks about other approaches, that say we are wired to seek pleasure/avoid pain, or that we naturally seek power, etc. And his theory is that what other psychotherapy approaches have in common is explained by his theory of logotherapy. Everyone is seeking some sort of purpose, and other therapy approaches are the routes to meaning, but are not universal in themselves like his theory. That was my takeaway anyway.
Loved hearing Shan champion the future/meaning seeking behind Ni. Man’s Search for Meaning is in my top 5. Before I ever understood MBTI this one of the books that lit up all my Ni circuits to help me feel like all of my strange single observer thoughts could be channeled and expressed in a life giving way.
Sick. That's exactly what I've been pondering over these days. I know that for me, when I'm feeling bad in the SF moment, I "NT know" that there are lasting decisions I can make that will help me feel better. But these decisions will only come to fruition the day after tomorrow . I _know_ it's a good decision, but I'm not actually _feeling_ it in the moment. There is always this SF physical desire to be lazy, maybe have ice cream and treat myself. That will feel better for the day, but it wont last. It's like a constant argument between the little devil and the little angel on my shoulders.
If you're gonna envision a future for yourself inside your mind you might as well make it an appealing one. Death is always on the horizon, might as well envision living.
This new age personal growth "Rah-rah, you can do it" stuff is just one side of the story and just one part of a complex picture. The other side of the story is that you can try your best for decades and still fail. And the rest of the complex picture is that interest in personal growth requires a questionable view of the world and it ignores the social context in which success might just reinforce our problems. Of course, selling the simple personal growth story is more profitable than digging deeper.
This man is a new discovery for me but it sounds like his view is both macro and micro - we have to have a purpose as an individual, and as a society, as a human race, there needs to be shared purpose and meaning. He's absolutely correct. And from what you're saying, I agree that we can all try our best and yet if everything around us is set up for us to fail we won't really see success (hence his point about shared purpose among humans). But if you're trying your best for decades you certainly haven't failed. Trying your best is never failing. Giving up is failing. And that's not new age hippy rah-rah, that's common sense that you can see applied in a practical way. It requires an adjustment to how we define success, especially personally.
This video hit my INFJ self on multiple levels! When I was in my mid 20’s in the 80’s during height of Miami Vice I was an executive secretary for the owner/operator of Florida’s only authorized Ferrari dealership! I know a lot about Ferrari’s and Enzo himself! I had a lot of correspondence with with FNA Ferraro North America and Maranello, Italy. Ferrari Meets etc. Knowing absolutely nothing about personality types I remember that every.single.day I HAD to go for a walk or go sit by the intercostal of which we were closely located and be by myself for a while. I remember thinking at the time that there was something odd about me and it was probably looking out over a sea of red Ferrari’s every day that was over stimulating to me LoL 😂 Red is a indeed a high energy color, but now I KNOW that it was my INFJ self that required breaks from all the “extroverting” that I had to do on a daily basis LoL 😆 Also simultaneously, while being a young girl in the 80’s in South Florida rubbing elbows with the “movers and shakers” of the time I was in search of understanding God and the meaning of life. All the things that you mentioned religion and aliens was and still is fascinating to me! I believe in God, intelligent design and that there is more to God’s creation than just us here on planet earth! Of course, we cannot hope to grasp and understand these things fully this side of heaven. However, I am satisfied in my conclusion that I will not be capable of understanding such things fully during this lifetime, but my strong faith is KNOWING that God exists and like a certain historical and popular book says: “seek and ye shall find!” I continue to seek and indeed I have found that He does in fact reveal Himself and His truth His seekers! I do have a question though LoL 😝 What do you think Enzo Ferrari’s personality type may have been?? I do know that he lost his son Dino Ferrari at a young age and Enzo of course was deeply impacted by his son’s untimely death which could account for some of Enzo’s philosophical language?? He also named a Ferrari model after him simply called Dino 🏎
@@ChiniBaba096 thank you although I’m not sure what a “jumper” is?? Does is mean that he is not really INFJ, but occasionally uses INFJ’s function preferences??
@@monicatowers5641, typically the INFJ function stack is Ni-Fe-Ti-Se, but the jumper means the two middle functions switch places, so it would go Ni-Ti-Fe-Se.
Wow this was beautiful 🎉 infj here writing my own books. Def mad respect! Think I’m Ni Ti dominant. Not sure your terminology but yes. Wish you elaborated more at the end.
Life is eternal pain and suffering because people allow it to be. Become stronger than evil, crush it, fix the world. I have been watching a show called berserk which demonstrates NT fixing the world well and im going to recommend because it s amazing. The raw realness and depth of the message in this anime is really good and rare in todays society plus i think the vibe is great. Dont stop struggling.
I agree but what you have done is describe what most people who disagree with you don’t have; the purpose of becoming stronger than evil to crush it and fix the world.
I think y'all interpreted this all wrong, I dont see it as goal setting or Ni, I see it as pure meaning, not as goal setting. Meaning can be relationships, as was hinted by him saying "someone waiting at home for you". This is FI Meaning, not NI Goal setting. Fi Meaning wants to do work that has meaning and value- not just for cash. I see Ni as purely creating a path towards your goals, but FI as the actual meaning and the desire for that meaning. At the end he said "and values"; Ni doesnt seek values, it seeks purely goals; it's Fi that seeks values along with meaning. He did not say 'create a future' he said, have a future, have a meaning; already have a relationship at home, already have meaningful work; in other words, these were meanings that were already there; they wernt what he was imagining might occur in the future.
I actually have a friend from college that looks a lot like this...I wonder if he's the same type too, haha. Definitely seems like some kind of NT sleep guy
I heard that he started to use always black glasses after the death of his son, caused by a car crash during a race. Don't know if it's true, I don't care enough to verify it
I'm sure Dave pretended not to understand a giant in the psychiatric arena, V. Frankl. His accent was thick and difficult to follow right away. The OPS vid on the Message is similar to searching for Meaning.
That might be Fe. ENTJs have to translate it for INTJs. I am also an INTJ and I also have no idea what he was talking about. But then the opposite happens with Si. ENTJs don't get it. INTJs do. This is how 7th and 8th function interact
I agree. Also in times of great joy. Balance is important in all things. It's not about the information being taken in or how you take it in. It's how much energy you put into dealing with all aspects of all possible outcomes, and the nuances of a given situation. You can waste energy saying something is impossible or crazy, or definite and concrete in it's truth. But no one can know everything for certain.
It obviously raises questions if one were to believe OPS. - They're blasting their own theory to encapsulate him and his theory, thus reducing his theory to fit their "impression" of the theory - They're also reducing an concentration camp trauma to a psychology model, taking once again an impression of what the man has done to deal with his trauma. Does anyone else notice how little we know about Viktor Frankl before we jump to a conclusion? Recently they've fallen into a habit of associative thinking (like the Arnold Schwarzenegger allusion or the title) and it definitely is flashy but unsubstantiated. Of course, they're welcome to say as they please, but videos like these make me sceptical, and not exactly the scepticism that OPS first intended to bring about
Note that this collaborative goal/purpose of humanity really is God. And Jesus has already paved the way. Follow Him and He will guide you across the road, to the better future, which you can begin to be a part of today.
@@pablo_astorga I'm just saying what *they* typed him as. You're free to disagree. (Personally, I think the Ti checks out, but I haven't taken the time to type him objectively myself)
My solution is to focus on ultimate causes. Instead of focusing on the numerous symptoms, you can diagnose the single disease. That makes things simple. The ultimate cause of our problems is society's negative view of human beings, which makes us desperate and judgemental. The solution is to end that negative view. However, I admit I haven't found a way to get people to notice this issue. But at least I have clarity now.
He had a running start going in because he worked as a psychotherapist for years before going in to the camps. He worked with his patients and realized that what they were lacking was meaning. He would send his most depressed patients who were struggling with unemployment to go and work as volunteers and they started feeling better. He called it needing meaning but in your framework that would mean doing Te or Fe work for your tribe to get away from Fi or Ti despair. And it worked. You didn’t even need to be paid for your Te and Fe work. People just need to feel like they are needed. That they can do something for someone else. He is brilliant.
This is dead on the money. I have had serious health issues hit me very hard on top of a childhood that was very comfortable but with a lot of adversity, I guess being an ENFJ my Ni is always future looking and "it will get better". I volunteer whenever and wherever I can and it always helps and I find most people to be absolutely shocked at how intense my Fe can be and I end up making a big difference in the end.
That makes so much sense
Such a good example of what Ni is doing. Logotherapy is the result of him finding the common ground among other popular theories at the time. He talks about other approaches, that say we are wired to seek pleasure/avoid pain, or that we naturally seek power, etc. And his theory is that what other psychotherapy approaches have in common is explained by his theory of logotherapy. Everyone is seeking some sort of purpose, and other therapy approaches are the routes to meaning, but are not universal in themselves like his theory. That was my takeaway anyway.
Finally. An INFJ jumper video on CZcams. God bless.
Loved hearing Shan champion the future/meaning seeking behind Ni. Man’s Search for Meaning is in my top 5. Before I ever understood MBTI this one of the books that lit up all my Ni circuits to help me feel like all of my strange single observer thoughts could be channeled and expressed in a life giving way.
Sick. That's exactly what I've been pondering over these days.
I know that for me, when I'm feeling bad in the SF moment, I "NT know" that there are lasting decisions I can make that will help me feel better. But these decisions will only come to fruition the day after tomorrow . I _know_ it's a good decision, but I'm not actually _feeling_ it in the moment. There is always this SF physical desire to be lazy, maybe have ice cream and treat myself. That will feel better for the day, but it wont last. It's like a constant argument between the little devil and the little angel on my shoulders.
I resonate with this thinking all the time
I like Shan's choices and presentation in this video!
He was a psychotherapist and he built his theory primarily based on the contrast between patients and then again in the camps.
If you're gonna envision a future for yourself inside your mind you might as well make it an appealing one.
Death is always on the horizon, might as well envision living.
Exactly!
Going to start reading for man’s search for meaning.
This new age personal growth "Rah-rah, you can do it" stuff is just one side of the story and just one part of a complex picture. The other side of the story is that you can try your best for decades and still fail. And the rest of the complex picture is that interest in personal growth requires a questionable view of the world and it ignores the social context in which success might just reinforce our problems. Of course, selling the simple personal growth story is more profitable than digging deeper.
This man is a new discovery for me but it sounds like his view is both macro and micro - we have to have a purpose as an individual, and as a society, as a human race, there needs to be shared purpose and meaning. He's absolutely correct. And from what you're saying, I agree that we can all try our best and yet if everything around us is set up for us to fail we won't really see success (hence his point about shared purpose among humans). But if you're trying your best for decades you certainly haven't failed. Trying your best is never failing. Giving up is failing. And that's not new age hippy rah-rah, that's common sense that you can see applied in a practical way. It requires an adjustment to how we define success, especially personally.
Finding a "Higher Power".
As a blast last having the opportunity to perceive Shan doing blast gives me lot of hope that eventually I'll end up there by putting the work.
This video hit my INFJ self on multiple levels!
When I was in my mid 20’s in the 80’s during height of Miami Vice I was an executive secretary for the owner/operator of Florida’s only authorized Ferrari dealership!
I know a lot about Ferrari’s and Enzo himself! I had a lot of correspondence with with FNA Ferraro North America and Maranello, Italy. Ferrari Meets etc.
Knowing absolutely nothing about personality types I remember that every.single.day I HAD to go for a walk or go sit by the intercostal of which we were closely located and be by myself for a while.
I remember thinking at the time that there was something odd about me and it was probably looking out over a sea of red Ferrari’s every day that was over stimulating to me
LoL 😂 Red is a indeed a high energy color, but now I KNOW that it was my INFJ self that required breaks from all the “extroverting” that I had to do on a daily basis LoL 😆
Also simultaneously, while being a young girl in the 80’s in South Florida rubbing elbows with the “movers and shakers” of the time I was in search of understanding God and the meaning of life.
All the things that you mentioned religion and aliens was and still is fascinating to me!
I believe in God, intelligent design and that there is more to God’s creation than just us here on planet earth!
Of course, we cannot hope to grasp and understand these things fully this side of heaven. However, I am satisfied in my conclusion that I will not be capable of understanding such things fully during this lifetime, but my strong faith is KNOWING that God exists and like a certain historical and popular book says: “seek and ye shall find!”
I continue to seek and indeed I have found that He does in fact reveal Himself and His truth His seekers!
I do have a question though LoL 😝 What do you think Enzo Ferrari’s personality type may have been??
I do know that he lost his son Dino Ferrari at a young age and Enzo of course was deeply impacted by his son’s untimely death which could account for some of Enzo’s philosophical language??
He also named a Ferrari model after him simply called Dino 🏎
That’s a pretty cool story and pretty sure they were suggesting Enzo was an INFJ-jumper (noting similarities b/w him and Neistat and Frankl).
@@ChiniBaba096 thank you although I’m not sure what a “jumper” is??
Does is mean that he is not really INFJ, but occasionally uses INFJ’s function preferences??
@@monicatowers5641, typically the INFJ function stack is Ni-Fe-Ti-Se, but the jumper means the two middle functions switch places, so it would go Ni-Ti-Fe-Se.
Woo hoo, video for me the weirdo INFJ jumper.
He's probably just embarrassed about his weird eyes and covering them up...
THE WAYFARERS!!!! me too as an infj jumper
Wow this was beautiful 🎉 infj here writing my own books. Def mad respect! Think I’m Ni Ti dominant. Not sure your terminology but yes. Wish you elaborated more at the end.
Life is eternal pain and suffering because people allow it to be. Become stronger than evil, crush it, fix the world.
I have been watching a show called berserk which demonstrates NT fixing the world well and im going to recommend because it s amazing. The raw realness and depth of the message in this anime is really good and rare in todays society plus i think the vibe is great. Dont stop struggling.
I agree but what you have done is describe what most people who disagree with you don’t have; the purpose of becoming stronger than evil to crush it and fix the world.
I think y'all interpreted this all wrong, I dont see it as goal setting or Ni, I see it as pure meaning, not as goal setting. Meaning can be relationships, as was hinted by him saying "someone waiting at home for you". This is FI Meaning, not NI Goal setting. Fi Meaning wants to do work that has meaning and value- not just for cash. I see Ni as purely creating a path towards your goals, but FI as the actual meaning and the desire for that meaning. At the end he said "and values"; Ni doesnt seek values, it seeks purely goals; it's Fi that seeks values along with meaning. He did not say 'create a future' he said, have a future, have a meaning; already have a relationship at home, already have meaningful work; in other words, these were meanings that were already there; they wernt what he was imagining might occur in the future.
I actually have a friend from college that looks a lot like this...I wonder if he's the same type too, haha. Definitely seems like some kind of NT sleep guy
I wish someone would do infj jumper and intp comparison
I heard that he started to use always black glasses after the death of his son, caused by a car crash during a race. Don't know if it's true, I don't care enough to verify it
*Also known as sunglasses lol
Have you not read “Man’s Search for Meaning”? It’s requisite reading.
I'm sure Dave pretended not to understand a giant in the psychiatric arena, V. Frankl. His accent was thick and difficult to follow right away. The OPS vid on the Message is similar to searching for Meaning.
That might be Fe. ENTJs have to translate it for INTJs. I am also an INTJ and I also have no idea what he was talking about. But then the opposite happens with Si. ENTJs don't get it. INTJs do. This is how 7th and 8th function interact
@@jankom.7783 I was completely unaware of this dynamic. haha on me! I'm an OPS beginner at 2 months and maybe 100 vids. Thank you for explaining this.
I think youre overfitting OP on his ideas. Isnt Meaning something everyone has to look for in times of great suffering? I might be biased tho as an NF
To be fair to Dave and Shan, in their place I'm sure Enzo would try to overfit logotherapy to OPS.
I agree. Also in times of great joy. Balance is important in all things. It's not about the information being taken in or how you take it in. It's how much energy you put into dealing with all aspects of all possible outcomes, and the nuances of a given situation. You can waste energy saying something is impossible or crazy, or definite and concrete in it's truth. But no one can know everything for certain.
It obviously raises questions if one were to believe OPS.
- They're blasting their own theory to encapsulate him and his theory, thus reducing his theory to fit their "impression" of the theory
- They're also reducing an concentration camp trauma to a psychology model, taking once again an impression of what the man has done to deal with his trauma.
Does anyone else notice how little we know about Viktor Frankl before we jump to a conclusion?
Recently they've fallen into a habit of associative thinking (like the Arnold Schwarzenegger allusion or the title) and it definitely is flashy but unsubstantiated. Of course, they're welcome to say as they please, but videos like these make me sceptical, and not exactly the scepticism that OPS first intended to bring about
Note that this collaborative goal/purpose of humanity really is God.
And Jesus has already paved the way.
Follow Him and He will guide you across the road, to the better future, which you can begin to be a part of today.
How would you type Andrew Tate? There's a big debate in Personality Database.
They did a short video typing Andrew as MM Ni/Ti SB/P(C) on their website a few weeks ago.
@@kjanon3593 Confirming, wouldn't you mean MM Ni/Te? He seems more like a Te to me.
@@pablo_astorga I'm just saying what *they* typed him as. You're free to disagree. (Personally, I think the Ti checks out, but I haven't taken the time to type him objectively myself)
@@kjanon3593 Got it. Thanks
Well, we all know Schwarzi's a swinger!
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pls making a typing video about andrew tate.
They typed him MM Ni-Ti SBPC
Guys I am an NiTi dom and I am just depressed with the actual reality I'm looking into, I hate the NF view of hope.
My solution is to focus on ultimate causes. Instead of focusing on the numerous symptoms, you can diagnose the single disease. That makes things simple. The ultimate cause of our problems is society's negative view of human beings, which makes us desperate and judgemental. The solution is to end that negative view. However, I admit I haven't found a way to get people to notice this issue. But at least I have clarity now.
You can't change the world, do your best to change your surroundings, that is enough
Q. "Where did he get that information from?" Answer: Judaism
This is in reference to the source of his manuscript.
Ｐｒⓞм𝕠𝕤𝐌
And Andrew Tate!
Lol, I hope they type him. 😂
@@joyandpeacefullaughter5307 they have - he's the same type as the guys in this video except MM