One of the best examples of projection is what Kathy Newman does in her interview with Jordan Peterson, as she assumes his Ne is looking for quick excuses (Te) to support an ideal (Fi) - since that's actually how SHE debates - but he's actually explaining his personal truth which he believes based on a consistent logical analysis he's made of the data (Ti-Si). Looking back, I used to do something similar with people in my adolescence. Long story short; I'd assume they were trying to control me whenever they touched anything I had organized; my extreme fear of sensory caos led me to believe that when they disrupted my "personal order", they were trying to do the same as me. But no, they weren't "selfish and controlling", as my paranoia suggested. I WAS selfish and controlling. They were just lazy to organize enough lol
Also protecting demon Fi (he attacks my feminist views) with Te arguments (so what YOU are saying). I was always wondering what was going on there. Nice observation!
This “pause” that you can train yourself and force it to do, is the Awakening talked about by enlightened people. Don’t be a meme of yourself. Be aware, and become greater than your previous self with every new day! Also I like that you guys are continuously understanding and developing the system. A system being just descriptive don’t lead us anywhere. However, when it has development goal, it’s very valuable. I really find the cognitive functions helpful in understanding our biases. Once we realize the bias, we have to break out of it. When the bias is broken, you become 1000x smarter.
Everything in life is unreliable. If you understand that, then you will naturally become detached from dramas. There's no need to be a personal growth police officer.
It's fun to watch this channel, to see two people who have co-built such an extensive conceptual framework that they can broadcast themselves actively processing input together, laughing and riffing with a shared vocabulary. You've prolapsed your brains and grafted them together. Hilarious and very sweet.
Now that I know this code, I catch myself all the time now. Even when I talk with my IJ sisters about conspiracies I tend to immediately go towards the “people”. The “people” who may perhaps be involved in or victimized by “Monarch Programming” or whatever the conspiracy is. I’m not concerned about the observations or the fact that this may be “hidden” from us by the government. That doesn’t naturally scare me. So even when I’m having an “observer conversation” I can’t help but think like a decider and go straight to what I see as the problem: “the people”. I catch myself every time now lol.
As a decider, Dave’s observer rants feel like commercial breaks from the main convo: the people, identity, hero’s journey decider stuff. My brain immediately tunes out bc I think he’s kidding, but wait.. he’s not.
Interesting observation here. Our neighbors are double deciders and my husband and I are double observers. Being dominant feelers, you would expect my husband and I to have a lot more interest in social activities but I find that our neighbors tend to do a lot more people stuff and socializing. We are both in very similar social situations and life stages etc. Why the difference? I think it's because people and people's drama are playthings to them and they have fun with it. On the other hand, they are really weird about some stuff and I realize that ideas and things are our playthings. The people drama stresses us out because it can mess with our perceived identities.
@@SS-bu8ez Observer means that they have sensing and intuition in the middle, so all IxxPs and ExxJs. Decider means that they have Feeling and thinking in the middle - All IxxJ's and ExxP's. People tend to experience either extreme anxiety or pleasure when talking about either their demon or saviour, but the middle functions - those are stable. So, when a typical ENFJ is talking about either personal truth, themselves (Ti), or tribe values (Fe) they will experience those 2 extreme emotions (Anxiety or pleasure), but when its something to do with things, meaning that it involves Intuition and sensing, emotions experience here will be normal, in the specific case of all IP's and EJ's. The opposite is for IJ's and EP's -They have either Sensing or Intuition demon or Sensing and intuition saviour, so when you talk about things, they get excited or anxiety and when you talk about Self/tribe they experience normal emotions. Remember you have to make the assumption that 'things' is associated with intuition and sensing and Self/Tribe is associated with Feeling and thinking. Ask any questions if you don't understand ill try explain.
@@sullt766 I always thought that an observer has an observing function first (EP/IJ) and two decider functions in the middle and vica versa. I thought observer = double decider. But now I'm confused.
Keanu Reeves & Carrie-Anne Moss have class, restrain, and maturity that comes with age. I’ve always loved how Keanu Reeves treats the average Joe stranger like a real person & will interact with them on a down to earth human level. His acts of kindness are genuine & he treats everyone like they have real worth. He is a sweet genuine man & the world could use more men like Keanu. Great video!
Why wouldn't you treat an average Joe stranger like a real person though? If someone's not treating them like Keanu does, it just means they are filth. Most likely ExxJs lul
Shan: People not really listening to you because... Dave: Yeah I'll help you to prove your point by looking into the void and not listening right now 😂
Couple Cohesion: _"Uh, why are things dumb!?"_ If you can then laugh at yourselves (which allows you to grow)... bingo It's like jumping on a train at the same time with someone else going the same way. Shit, I think that's the song Bobby McGee, my bad. No-- but I feel you on only having time for 1 real game at all, ever. And even getting into that, it's like... "I'm serving the purpose of making myself relax. I am relaxing. Relaxing. Yup. That's what I'm doing and that has a purpose." (x1000 self-reinforce your self-care)
Just install Windows on your Mac. Also I believe you can use a virtual environment to load windows and the joysticks, and then pass the joysticks to the mac through software, but its convoluted as hell. Why is Apple like this? Because honestly they don't care about being the best for their customers, they just care about making as much money as possible. Where is the money for Apple? In the professional space, and among users who are daunted by the complexity of a windows machine.
What are you "catching" exactly? Catching the ships passing? Catching yourself choosing Fi over Te? When you should be looking at the tribe "oh hey the tribe said something..." & instead of fearfully continuing down this path, maybe I should pause for 2 mins. "Oh hey... They actually have a decent point. Mmm. Maybe I'll look at Te again next time." Lol but when the tribe has a not good (dumb) point, & you had to pause and wait... What a waste of time, it's like u never want to stop for two minutes ever again. You just want to go unconcious completely forever. But the lesson is: the point is to pause, not to gain anything Am I getting this?
An observation: yes the single observer was talking about things, yes the double observers don’t care. But.. and I say this as a double observer with Fe (intp).. the message I got from the entp was “all these people really care about this stuff and look at all the crazy ways they’re showing it.” Reeves is an infp if I’m not mistaken, and Fi doesn’t really care about tribe value in the extroverted way that Fe does. Anyway.. that’s what I picked up on. Hope it’s interesting lol
sry for this stupid comment, but i think that you guys need a bit more Te clarity, i find it difficult to understand and i feel it's not the language barrier, it would be helpfull and kind
Speaking for myself and a single observer , I aged myself out of video games as well. It happens. I’d be interested in a poll if that’s common for the over 35s.
the type of stimulation we need changes as we age I think. I used to love amusement parks and carnivals/fairs but having gone to one recently, I was quite over it and not that amused. In my mind the fair used to be this extremely fun and chaotic place but going again with "new" eyes or rather older eyes, I can not say that anymore haha. The types of activities I'm drawn to are more mental nowadays and are considered "healthy" activities that aid my future lol
As a proud Blacksburgian man, I feel justified in the treatment of the profiteers of those cavalier mountaineers. Not on this side of the mountain my friend.
I'm already at the point where I know I have to do Fe stuff, somehow without leaning on my saviors. I'm even at a point where I've somewhat started to do that, almost unknowingly, just kinda following a sense of "well I gotta do it now, might as well do it". I'm not yet at a point where I see any results, but I do notice that I'm meeting new people who seem to enjoy talking with me, and I enjoy talking with them. When I started this comment I expected it to end as a cynical joke, but every punchline I felt like I had to change it because it wasn't actually so bad. Now it actually looks like it's going pretty well. Interesting. Maybe this thing works after all.
Yesss buuut, can u do it by yourself? I mean, without any help? Cause you can fall in your own trap I think, ISFJ here haha always catching everyone vibes else but not mine xD
In Dario Nardi's book Se is characterized as quick reaction and response type of brain activity, in contrast to Ne which is quick transcontextual reaction ("Christmas tree" pattern) If you listen to Keanu's interview the way he explains his functions (!) when he is exercises for example shooting range practice he goes through a random set of targets and tries to do as best as he can, and only he decides based on internal logical reasoning (Ti) and objective results/statistics (Se, even though without the context the word "results" and "statistics" can be also interpreted as Te. In this particular case the topic is about the speed, way he lend his shots or amount of hits on targets etc but not the spectrum of people's opinions) Extraverted functions are always looking for spectrum or variety. In this case big-better-best sensory. Keanu's Se love for *different* motorcycles as an example, when in contrary Ni lead person would like to clump multiple "different" sensories in one category. So answering your question, if you are demon Se person, by math, I guess the way that you practice Se is realizing how sensory examples of same concept differentiate or engage in random activities I hope that helps
@@suzyrokits3993 Best I can discern, it's a lot of jumbled noise to say that sometimes people are on two different wavelengths and don't realize it, and instead of stepping back and learning to recognize those moments on a consistent basis, they just talk past each other and continually misunderstand what the other intended. Effective communication often requires recognizing where someone is at and meeting them in the middle, which is ironically something they often fail to do in their videos; they are so jargon-heavy with nuances of their theory that most people are unfamiliar with, it ends up over-complicating concepts that are pretty standard knowledge outside of typology. Mystifying the mundane instead of demystifying the complex. I doubt it's intentional, but it's something that I see happen when someone tries to take a single model of the world and apply it to everything without being thorough. The person loves the model and they are so excited to see how it fits, but there was already an existing lens that is clearer and doesn't require a bunch of knowledge of jargon. Edit: Also, for some added complexity, sometimes people seem like they're talking past each other, when they're actually talking defensively. Like if someone comes up to you and says "so how do you feel about the idea of you hurting someone," you're probably going to perceive that as a loaded question and have alarm bells going off, like, what is this person leading up to. So you might answer in a way that seems like you're missing them, like, "I like to keep to myself and enjoy my hobbies." It's possible something sort of like that was happening with the guy in the interview bringing up NFTs, where they were like "where is this going" and not really wanting to be led where they thought the interview was leading them. Or less dramatically, they could have just not been interested in the subject matter and wanted to get through it and go elsewhere in the conversation. Sometimes people just want to change the subject for whatever reason and it doesn't mean they necessarily don't understand the direction the other person was trying to go.
If you're using an Xbox controller on a Mac it can work if you want to spend a bit of time fucking with it to get it going. Microsoft controllers just work better on Windows out of the box. I'd do wired to keep the hiccups low even though you can and should be able to do wireless. My suggestion is to keep your Mac for all your important work / OP shit and get a relatively mid-range Windows PC for gaming. If you have any questions or anything you can DM about it. Am INTP so spent my entire existence on a computer.
That is not true, I do listen... I mean I didn't listen to you because I haven't seen the video. But I just had to give my input before it.... But I do listen... occassionally.... maybe
Mac? Bro, who buys a mac, literally own a windows computer and all your problems are solved, buy a computer, like mac is the shittiest software that exists you have a spectrum of softwers and your shitty Se took mac and doesnt want to let it go, id throw up if i was using mac
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I can't stop staring as Shan's eye make up! Amazing! I mean I'm listening to the words too...
I've always noticed that in all their videos. It's lovely. And yes I'm not a make up person either hehe
One of the best examples of projection is what Kathy Newman does in her interview with Jordan Peterson, as she assumes his Ne is looking for quick excuses (Te) to support an ideal (Fi) - since that's actually how SHE debates - but he's actually explaining his personal truth which he believes based on a consistent logical analysis he's made of the data (Ti-Si).
Looking back, I used to do something similar with people in my adolescence. Long story short; I'd assume they were trying to control me whenever they touched anything I had organized; my extreme fear of sensory caos led me to believe that when they disrupted my "personal order", they were trying to do the same as me. But no, they weren't "selfish and controlling", as my paranoia suggested. I WAS selfish and controlling. They were just lazy to organize enough lol
Also protecting demon Fi (he attacks my feminist views) with Te arguments (so what YOU are saying). I was always wondering what was going on there.
Nice observation!
This “pause” that you can train yourself and force it to do, is the Awakening talked about by enlightened people.
Don’t be a meme of yourself. Be aware, and become greater than your previous self with every new day!
Also I like that you guys are continuously understanding and developing the system. A system being just descriptive don’t lead us anywhere. However, when it has development goal, it’s very valuable.
I really find the cognitive functions helpful in understanding our biases. Once we realize the bias, we have to break out of it. When the bias is broken, you become 1000x smarter.
Everything in life is unreliable. If you understand that, then you will naturally become detached from dramas. There's no need to be a personal growth police officer.
It's fun to watch this channel, to see two people who have co-built such an extensive conceptual framework that they can broadcast themselves actively processing input together, laughing and riffing with a shared vocabulary. You've prolapsed your brains and grafted them together. Hilarious and very sweet.
Now that I know this code, I catch myself all the time now. Even when I talk with my IJ sisters about conspiracies I tend to immediately go towards the “people”. The “people” who may perhaps be involved in or victimized by “Monarch Programming” or whatever the conspiracy is. I’m not concerned about the observations or the fact that this may be “hidden” from us by the government. That doesn’t naturally scare me. So even when I’m having an “observer conversation” I can’t help but think like a decider and go straight to what I see as the problem: “the people”. I catch myself every time now lol.
EJ here. I totally and completely believe a lot of conspiracy theories but they don't bother me either. I can know about them without being obsessed
@@morningstarhomestead EXACTLY! 💯💯
As a decider, Dave’s observer rants feel like commercial breaks from the main convo: the people, identity, hero’s journey decider stuff. My brain immediately tunes out bc I think he’s kidding, but wait.. he’s not.
Interesting observation here. Our neighbors are double deciders and my husband and I are double observers. Being dominant feelers, you would expect my husband and I to have a lot more interest in social activities but I find that our neighbors tend to do a lot more people stuff and socializing. We are both in very similar social situations and life stages etc. Why the difference? I think it's because people and people's drama are playthings to them and they have fun with it. On the other hand, they are really weird about some stuff and I realize that ideas and things are our playthings. The people drama stresses us out because it can mess with our perceived identities.
very interesting! how is a double observer marriage?
What's the mbti type? This observer decider thing is too confusing
@@SS-bu8ez Observer means that they have sensing and intuition in the middle, so all IxxPs and ExxJs. Decider means that they have Feeling and thinking in the middle - All IxxJ's and ExxP's. People tend to experience either extreme anxiety or pleasure when talking about either their demon or saviour, but the middle functions - those are stable. So, when a typical ENFJ is talking about either personal truth, themselves (Ti), or tribe values (Fe) they will experience those 2 extreme emotions (Anxiety or pleasure), but when its something to do with things, meaning that it involves Intuition and sensing, emotions experience here will be normal, in the specific case of all IP's and EJ's. The opposite is for IJ's and EP's -They have either Sensing or Intuition demon or Sensing and intuition saviour, so when you talk about things, they get excited or anxiety and when you talk about Self/tribe they experience normal emotions.
Remember you have to make the assumption that 'things' is associated with intuition and sensing
and Self/Tribe is associated with Feeling and thinking.
Ask any questions if you don't understand ill try explain.
@@sullt766 Thanks for the answer. What is double/single decider/observer?
@@sullt766 I always thought that an observer has an observing function first (EP/IJ) and two decider functions in the middle and vica versa. I thought observer = double decider. But now I'm confused.
Keanu Reeves & Carrie-Anne Moss have class, restrain, and maturity that comes with age. I’ve always loved how Keanu Reeves treats the average Joe stranger like a real person & will interact with them on a down to earth human level. His acts of kindness are genuine & he treats everyone like they have real worth. He is a sweet genuine man & the world could use more men like Keanu. Great video!
Why wouldn't you treat an average Joe stranger like a real person though? If someone's not treating them like Keanu does, it just means they are filth. Most likely ExxJs lul
Shan: People not really listening to you because...
Dave: Yeah I'll help you to prove your point by looking into the void and not listening right now 😂
Dave, the obvious solution to your Microsoft Flight Simulator problem would be to discard your Mac and get an actual computer
Dave can just Bootcamp the Mac and install Windows. Now run Microsoft Flight Simulator.
another ship passing by in the ocean! The S.S. Dave will never hear you!
@@realitiesoftypology7502 😂
Savagery 100
I lolled at the truth of this statement 😄😄😄
0:00 Dave's face has a program malfunction
😄
Couple Cohesion: _"Uh, why are things dumb!?"_
If you can then laugh at yourselves (which allows you to grow)... bingo
It's like jumping on a train at the same time with someone else going the same way.
Shit, I think that's the song Bobby McGee, my bad.
No-- but I feel you on only having time for 1 real game at all, ever. And even getting into that, it's like... "I'm serving the purpose of making myself relax. I am relaxing. Relaxing. Yup. That's what I'm doing and that has a purpose." (x1000 self-reinforce your self-care)
Just install Windows on your Mac. Also I believe you can use a virtual environment to load windows and the joysticks, and then pass the joysticks to the mac through software, but its convoluted as hell. Why is Apple like this? Because honestly they don't care about being the best for their customers, they just care about making as much money as possible. Where is the money for Apple? In the professional space, and among users who are daunted by the complexity of a windows machine.
What are you "catching" exactly?
Catching the ships passing?
Catching yourself choosing Fi over Te? When you should be looking at the tribe
"oh hey the tribe said something..." & instead of fearfully continuing down this path, maybe I should pause for 2 mins. "Oh hey... They actually have a decent point. Mmm. Maybe I'll look at Te again next time."
Lol but when the tribe has a not good (dumb) point, & you had to pause and wait... What a waste of time, it's like u never want to stop for two minutes ever again. You just want to go unconcious completely forever.
But the lesson is: the point is to pause, not to gain anything
Am I getting this?
I think in conclusion it's about taking the time to catch your own fuck ups in a conversation through self awareness.
Yes...pause.
An observation: yes the single observer was talking about things, yes the double observers don’t care. But.. and I say this as a double observer with Fe (intp).. the message I got from the entp was “all these people really care about this stuff and look at all the crazy ways they’re showing it.” Reeves is an infp if I’m not mistaken, and Fi doesn’t really care about tribe value in the extroverted way that Fe does. Anyway.. that’s what I picked up on. Hope it’s interesting lol
An EJ interviewer woulda fit much better lol
Loving the Mac vs PC wars down here..
sry for this stupid comment, but i think that you guys need a bit more Te clarity, i find it difficult to understand and i feel it's not the language barrier, it would be helpfull and kind
Speaking for myself and a single observer , I aged myself out of video games as well. It happens. I’d be interested in a poll if that’s common for the over 35s.
the type of stimulation we need changes as we age I think. I used to love amusement parks and carnivals/fairs but having gone to one recently, I was quite over it and not that amused. In my mind the fair used to be this extremely fun and chaotic place but going again with "new" eyes or rather older eyes, I can not say that anymore haha. The types of activities I'm drawn to are more mental nowadays and are considered "healthy" activities that aid my future lol
We need a video of Shan at the Denny’s 😂😂😂
"Yeahhhhh..!" (Help me out here, inferior Te!)
As a proud Blacksburgian man, I feel justified in the treatment of the profiteers of those cavalier mountaineers. Not on this side of the mountain my friend.
I'm already at the point where I know I have to do Fe stuff, somehow without leaning on my saviors.
I'm even at a point where I've somewhat started to do that, almost unknowingly, just kinda following a sense of "well I gotta do it now, might as well do it".
I'm not yet at a point where I see any results, but I do notice that I'm meeting new people who seem to enjoy talking with me, and I enjoy talking with them.
When I started this comment I expected it to end as a cynical joke, but every punchline I felt like I had to change it because it wasn't actually so bad.
Now it actually looks like it's going pretty well. Interesting. Maybe this thing works after all.
A considered response from an input is a Stoic tenet.
Good to know...Now more reason I don't need to complete these charts or this class...
How are Dave and Shann going to figure out savior Ne and how it differs from and the same as Te as they see it.
TeNe is listening to you, well not really. I just already know what you're going to say, I saw it play out
This is sooo cringe lol
From someone who works with two single decider girls in the office, I relate to this wayy to much 😂😂
Yesss buuut, can u do it by yourself? I mean, without any help? Cause you can fall in your own trap I think, ISFJ here haha always catching everyone vibes else but not mine xD
Where are these video clips from? Where do I find their full videos?
In the description in a link to their website.
@@Mrhankins100 is it the weekly class?
wow interesting
You could just get a cheap used windows computer just for gaming?
Dave its consume time, stop with the Mac nonsense and join the rest of the gaming world and get a proper PC.
no consume, continue suffering with apple products
@Caiden are you expecting dave to linux lol
@@Lacter12 No, if i don't understand computer neither Dave will!
@@lonelypad3993 yeah!!!
How do you practice/use Se? Just listen closer?😂
Try jumping over a fence.
Exercising
In Dario Nardi's book Se is characterized as quick reaction and response type of brain activity, in contrast to Ne which is quick transcontextual reaction ("Christmas tree" pattern)
If you listen to Keanu's interview the way he explains his functions (!) when he is exercises for example shooting range practice he goes through a random set of targets and tries to do as best as he can, and only he decides based on internal logical reasoning (Ti) and objective results/statistics (Se, even though without the context the word "results" and "statistics" can be also interpreted as Te. In this particular case the topic is about the speed, way he lend his shots or amount of hits on targets etc but not the spectrum of people's opinions)
Extraverted functions are always looking for spectrum or variety. In this case big-better-best sensory. Keanu's Se love for *different* motorcycles as an example, when in contrary Ni lead person would like to clump multiple "different" sensories in one category.
So answering your question, if you are demon Se person, by math, I guess the way that you practice Se is realizing how sensory examples of same concept differentiate or engage in random activities
I hope that helps
i didn't understand anything
I thought I was the only one… what in Jesús name are they talking about? What’ s the video about? Projection? Miscommunication? WHAT??
@@suzyrokits3993 ye i noticed i start to understand more the more i watch... but it takes a while..
@@suzyrokits3993 Best I can discern, it's a lot of jumbled noise to say that sometimes people are on two different wavelengths and don't realize it, and instead of stepping back and learning to recognize those moments on a consistent basis, they just talk past each other and continually misunderstand what the other intended.
Effective communication often requires recognizing where someone is at and meeting them in the middle, which is ironically something they often fail to do in their videos; they are so jargon-heavy with nuances of their theory that most people are unfamiliar with, it ends up over-complicating concepts that are pretty standard knowledge outside of typology. Mystifying the mundane instead of demystifying the complex. I doubt it's intentional, but it's something that I see happen when someone tries to take a single model of the world and apply it to everything without being thorough. The person loves the model and they are so excited to see how it fits, but there was already an existing lens that is clearer and doesn't require a bunch of knowledge of jargon.
Edit: Also, for some added complexity, sometimes people seem like they're talking past each other, when they're actually talking defensively. Like if someone comes up to you and says "so how do you feel about the idea of you hurting someone," you're probably going to perceive that as a loaded question and have alarm bells going off, like, what is this person leading up to. So you might answer in a way that seems like you're missing them, like, "I like to keep to myself and enjoy my hobbies." It's possible something sort of like that was happening with the guy in the interview bringing up NFTs, where they were like "where is this going" and not really wanting to be led where they thought the interview was leading them.
Or less dramatically, they could have just not been interested in the subject matter and wanted to get through it and go elsewhere in the conversation. Sometimes people just want to change the subject for whatever reason and it doesn't mean they necessarily don't understand the direction the other person was trying to go.
lol
what did you say?
what's keanu mbti type ?
As for MBTI people on internet generally claim that he is INFP or ISFP
He is typed as ISTP FF-Ti/Se-CS/P(B) by D&S
Instead of MS Flight Sim try X-Plane. Developed for Macs.
They looked blank because they did not know nor care.
They were wondering what idiot booked the interview. That person will be made to pay. Keanu is not going there, but Carrie is making plans.
Sorry, what? I wasn't listening 😐. Oopsies.
If you're using an Xbox controller on a Mac it can work if you want to spend a bit of time fucking with it to get it going. Microsoft controllers just work better on Windows out of the box. I'd do wired to keep the hiccups low even though you can and should be able to do wireless. My suggestion is to keep your Mac for all your important work / OP shit and get a relatively mid-range Windows PC for gaming. If you have any questions or anything you can DM about it. Am INTP so spent my entire existence on a computer.
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That is not true, I do listen... I mean I didn't listen to you because I haven't seen the video. But I just had to give my input before it....
But I do listen... occassionally.... maybe
Lol that's some awareness right there 😂✊
Some advice? Buy a pc 😆
Mac? Bro, who buys a mac, literally own a windows computer and all your problems are solved, buy a computer, like mac is the shittiest software that exists you have a spectrum of softwers and your shitty Se took mac and doesnt want to let it go, id throw up if i was using mac
She aged way worst than Neo.
📠
She's a woman
nah, he just has a beard so half of his face is covered
True but men can cover up the age with a beard.
Wow, people look older when they age, what a brilliant observation!