It's about the fear of life slipping by and trying to get the most out of life. Ne tries to maximise life experiences, Ni tries to optimise life experiences (life efficiency, to reach the perfect pinnacle, the singularity of a perfectly integrated life, maybe nirvana). Yes, I'm an ENTP, don't talk to me about what Sally did or said, I don't care.
Holy crap. 😵 yes. Can relate with the last clip. I don't understand how some people just "see" others "doing things" so personally to them. I'm not aware of people threats. I've got to sit and think about why it may seem someone is upset. Life feels more like a variety of black holes and traps and you have to navigate to safe places and exert energy thru time spans. Like even as I'm writing, I'm thinking about the times when I get a sense that I might have done something wrong or pissed someone off. And that's when anxiety may come. Not from the fear of people, but it's like when you interact with someone that speaks a different language and you see that you have offended them and then you have to figure how to sign to them, "I mean you no harm. I come in peace. Even I don't know what I'm saying. Me. Friend. Me sorry. Want friendship. ET phone home"✌
and that's when it drives you so crazy you decide you need to make a big change for yourself? (like move to a new state/country because ugh stagnation)
That's funny. Husband (single observer) has always been the most mad at me (single observer) when I act wrongly in relation to THINGS. What I say is not a that big of a deal. It is how I (fail to) act in relation to the THINGS that hurts him the most. I also take those angry outbursts the most personally of all😂
My old mother is always freaked out about how my father is making a messy mine out of our property slowly building stuff over years cause she is obviously seeing how that affects how we look in the neighbourhood. My father freaks out about her telling him how the *things* outside should be and what he needs to do with the *things* on the property.
@@uvnzmw but you do far better at judging others on who is your friend vs enemy, but with single deciders that are Ixxp, we always assume everyone is our enemy. We just don't have that good sense of judgment when it comes to people hence we have problems with it comes to social interaction.
i do think that i can be very “forgiving” in a sense. when i tell stories about how my last relationship ended (the guy cheated on me), people would say all bad things about him all while, im still friends with him lol
Interesting choice of words but its so fascinating how Shannon had to process as a decider, its no wonder why we misunderstand the people around us when we don't have these ways to classify others and gain awareness of the causes and conditions that shape a persons decisions and choices
For me it feels more like “possibilities” or “probabilities” that shut down. Pretty sure I’m Ne lead. Do you Ni’s feel it’s a portal- like a single door that can close. and do other Ne’s like me feel it’s possibilities/options (like trimming a tree and losing 100’s of possible leaves with one cut? The thought of losing tons of options at once is the scariest to me.
For me often the fact that I see too many possibilities is what makes my life miserable (ENFP) because I wanna do too many stuff at once in my head but I don't wanna choose the wrong one, which leads me to not choose at all sometimes... and my mind's response to this dilemma is creating even more possibilities... yay xD
It's a portal and if I miss it, it closes forever and it destroys me inside and I know I probably shouldn't freak out like that, but I do. Then a new one opens (always) and even though that always happens I still don't learn to not freak the fuck out.
Okay this is messing me up. I've sort of had myself narrowed down as an IxxP, which is a decider, but this "I have to pick the right path thing" is always dominating my way of thinking. Yet, at the same time, it seems that my biggest hurdle in life is that I do not want to be dependent on other people. All my self-sabotaging big decisions in life have centered around trying to avoid tribe dependence, which has led me to be on my own versus the world (ironically the same outcome that the dreaded betrayal would result in) which seems like a very "De as bottom function" type of deal. I don't know maybe I'm just a single observer, single decider, extra broken case.
Feeling like my movie of life is ending and having no idea what happens after the rolling credits. Constantly questioning if I’m on the “right” path or if I need to make a radical switch. Massive shifts in life does feel like dying.
Are ideas, even if its about people= processing of things? I usually see people as abstractions at times, and I use experiences(direct or indirect) as raw materials to shape---and reshape my worldview and processing tool mechanisms.
My personal terminology seems to reflect these concepts in terms of "Trajectories" and "Windows". I'm very much processing those all the time (I suspect I'm an Ni-Fi INTJ). I consider "people" to be generally good, incompetent at worst, but not malicious per se.
@@dylonias definitely, but with this terminology it's complicated to say that observer freakouts are about people... Because they use it in a more narrow sense. I could agree that someone freaking about their phone not working is actually freaking about feeling left out somehow, but it's much broader and calmer then a decider freaking about one person being angry at them or smth like that
@@talorix sure sure, that makes sense. I guess I mean that it's a decent way of looking at Observer freakouts. Cause you can use them to practice the specific Decider problem it's based on. This is coming from a guy who's broken a lot of phone/computer screens in "Observer freakouts" that were really just about Fi
INTJ engaged to INTP. How him and I process crypto are insanely different. That Bitcoin analogy is spot on. That's why he's incharge of our crypto wallets lmao.
Wait sorry which is it? Saying he's right makes you cringe? Saying people are right makes you cringe? Him being right makes you cringe? His funny remarks make you cringe?
Oe provides options to the tribe, not the self. Ni manages options for the self. Sensory is things. Intuition is ideas and plans. This is why ENTJs are so self-centered and use their Te to enforce procedures (often for their own advantage). ENTP uses Ne to give options to the tribe (outside the box thinking) with Ti in service to that purpose as a change agent rather than simply regurgitating tribal dogma.
It might be that way for ENTJs, but it doesn't have to be... There were some great leaders and system builders who fought oppression and were ENTJs, yes, they are mostly close-minded once they focus on something, but if that something benefits a lot of people who have similar identity it can be beneficial
Could you make a video of you guys giving your honest opinion on cognitive functions tests (sakirnova, keys2cog nition,typologycentral),cuz they seem to type very robotically yet people find them rather accurate? F.e I always score lowest on Te and highest on Ne so its kind of difficut to interpret any result(i think that goes for many).
Still trying to fully understand what the observer freakout is, regardless of oe/oi it seems the fear is "pathways" (?) opening/closing so the fire alarm moment is being boxed in with no way out? But it also seems observers are not only freaked out by systems but sensory objects themselves, like an actual bulletproof limo. This sort of clarified but would love to hear more.
as a self-typed observer (ExxP) with Si last, i never organize, i struggle to plan and think ahead, and my "freakout" is every few weeks when this bites me in the ass. It's very literal, like my room is always a mess so i can't find books for school, i have trouble getting started with my school projects so i always do them last minute...
I thought I was a mutated INFJ then I realized I just jumped my Fe 2nd function. So I get to be socially awkward and unemphatetic like everyone else yay.
Yes, but if you are blast last once you got hit by that choice you are shook to your core since you didn't even have the motivation to do it not the energy but you realise you should have and then you're left with a pretty irrational miserable feeling
Any one else watching this who is not an observer and has a big question mark on their face? Portals going up or down, closing, opening- what weird science fiction novel are observers living in? Look at Shan's facial expressions, that is how I feel.
Do you want to know why Dave calls himself 'DaveSuperPowers?' Well its because one of his super powers is being an INTJ. As INTJs, we ARE excellent. Our type is the manifestation of the excellence. We are the Kings of the personality jungle. An INTJ is a brand new BMW. Every other type is a 2003 Chevy Impala that was previously owned by a smoker. We are rare. But desired. An INTJ solving a problem is like a lion stalking a pack of Giselle. He analyzes, he collects his thoughts, then tears the living **** out of it with his impeccable thinking process. I like to call us the 'Disciples of Darwin.' We are the top of the MBTI food chain. When an INTJ makes an argument, he thinks to himself "why/how could I be wrong?" He almost always, however, finds that he's correct because he's simply playing 5D chess, while every other type is playing checkers. Many believe that INTJs don't know how to "let loose" and "have fun." However, he is absolutely having fun. He finds pleasure in critiquing and deconstructing everything and everyone in his environment.
Hey Dave, Just a reminder you got Carl Jung's type wrong. How does it feel to be doing this for years and you can't even accurately type the man who started it. Well anyway limitations of being INTJ and all... have a day or whatever....
“Don’t choose the wrong portal” That was such a good explanation of our struggles!
@Caiden Portal 2 is the correct Portal.
@Caiden I see you learned from your mistakes.
Daniel is such a great example of an ENFP- it’s not happy fairy land, sometimes the inferior Si takes hold.
Why were Dave and Shannon discussing Ni in his case then? what did they type him eventually ? (I also think he is ENFP)
He's English, so he's probably going to be somewhat repressed. 😒
It's about the fear of life slipping by and trying to get the most out of life. Ne tries to maximise life experiences, Ni tries to optimise life experiences (life efficiency, to reach the perfect pinnacle, the singularity of a perfectly integrated life, maybe nirvana). Yes, I'm an ENTP, don't talk to me about what Sally did or said, I don't care.
"...don't talk to me about what Sally did or said, I don't care." LOL ~ESTP
+@@MrLuigiFercotti Excellent use of quotation grammar.
Holy crap. 😵 yes. Can relate with the last clip. I don't understand how some people just "see" others "doing things" so personally to them. I'm not aware of people threats. I've got to sit and think about why it may seem someone is upset. Life feels more like a variety of black holes and traps and you have to navigate to safe places and exert energy thru time spans.
Like even as I'm writing, I'm thinking about the times when I get a sense that I might have done something wrong or pissed someone off. And that's when anxiety may come. Not from the fear of people, but it's like when you interact with someone that speaks a different language and you see that you have offended them and then you have to figure how to sign to them, "I mean you no harm. I come in peace. Even I don't know what I'm saying. Me. Friend. Me sorry. Want friendship. ET phone home"✌
Humans talk past eachother most of the time. Evne when we don't the venn diagram of understanding is only overlapping like 80% when we think it's 100.
@@cyberneticbutterfly8506 I like "the Venn diagram of understanding".
EPs do realize that everything is not changing that much as time passes.
And it eventually drives us fkng insane.
and that's when it drives you so crazy you decide you need to make a big change for yourself? (like move to a new state/country because ugh stagnation)
@@ValleyCat13 Probably, but not always in a healthy way. Of course, if you're healthy, you will not let yourself get so damn stuck.
I heard "bulletproof lemon" and MAN that is indeed exciting
That's funny. Husband (single observer) has always been the most mad at me (single observer) when I act wrongly in relation to THINGS. What I say is not a that big of a deal. It is how I (fail to) act in relation to the THINGS that hurts him the most. I also take those angry outbursts the most personally of all😂
My old mother is always freaked out about how my father is making a messy mine out of our property slowly building stuff over years cause she is obviously seeing how that affects how we look in the neighbourhood.
My father freaks out about her telling him how the *things* outside should be and what he needs to do with the *things* on the property.
You're both double deciders?
Being single observer sounds nice. You don’t ever have to worry about people screwing you over.
Not true, we worry about people too. Obviously.
@@uvnzmw but you do far better at judging others on who is your friend vs enemy, but with single deciders that are Ixxp, we always assume everyone is our enemy. We just don't have that good sense of judgment when it comes to people hence we have problems with it comes to social interaction.
i do think that i can be very “forgiving” in a sense. when i tell stories about how my last relationship ended (the guy cheated on me), people would say all bad things about him all while, im still friends with him lol
Interesting choice of words but its so fascinating how Shannon had to process as a decider, its no wonder why we misunderstand the people around us when we don't have these ways to classify others and gain awareness of the causes and conditions that shape a persons decisions and choices
For me it feels more like “possibilities” or “probabilities” that shut down. Pretty sure I’m Ne lead.
Do you Ni’s feel it’s a portal- like a single door that can close.
and do other Ne’s like me feel it’s possibilities/options (like trimming a tree and losing 100’s of possible leaves with one cut?
The thought of losing tons of options at once is the scariest to me.
For me often the fact that I see too many possibilities is what makes my life miserable (ENFP) because I wanna do too many stuff at once in my head but I don't wanna choose the wrong one, which leads me to not choose at all sometimes... and my mind's response to this dilemma is creating even more possibilities... yay xD
@@Partor6 me too, me too :(
@@Partor6 Exactly!
It's a portal and if I miss it, it closes forever and it destroys me inside and I know I probably shouldn't freak out like that, but I do. Then a new one opens (always) and even though that always happens I still don't learn to not freak the fuck out.
The portal analogy was so spot on!
Okay this is messing me up. I've sort of had myself narrowed down as an IxxP, which is a decider, but this "I have to pick the right path thing" is always dominating my way of thinking. Yet, at the same time, it seems that my biggest hurdle in life is that I do not want to be dependent on other people. All my self-sabotaging big decisions in life have centered around trying to avoid tribe dependence, which has led me to be on my own versus the world (ironically the same outcome that the dreaded betrayal would result in) which seems like a very "De as bottom function" type of deal. I don't know maybe I'm just a single observer, single decider, extra broken case.
Feeling like my movie of life is ending and having no idea what happens after the rolling credits. Constantly questioning if I’m on the “right” path or if I need to make a radical switch. Massive shifts in life does feel like dying.
Are ideas, even if its about people= processing of things? I usually see people as abstractions at times, and I use experiences(direct or indirect) as raw materials to shape---and reshape my worldview and processing tool mechanisms.
My personal terminology seems to reflect these concepts in terms of "Trajectories" and "Windows". I'm very much processing those all the time (I suspect I'm an Ni-Fi INTJ). I consider "people" to be generally good, incompetent at worst, but not malicious per se.
luv the new cut, dave
Dave once said we're all just Deciders. Things are just there for us to play the self/tribe game. All Observer freakouts are really about people
I think he said that about people in their young adult years bc it's often the time when people feel the need to stabilise their identity
@@talorix I think people have psychosocial needs their whole lives that constantly update. The info is only as good as what you use it for
@@dylonias definitely, but with this terminology it's complicated to say that observer freakouts are about people... Because they use it in a more narrow sense. I could agree that someone freaking about their phone not working is actually freaking about feeling left out somehow, but it's much broader and calmer then a decider freaking about one person being angry at them or smth like that
@@talorix sure sure, that makes sense. I guess I mean that it's a decent way of looking at Observer freakouts. Cause you can use them to practice the specific Decider problem it's based on. This is coming from a guy who's broken a lot of phone/computer screens in "Observer freakouts" that were really just about Fi
INTJ engaged to INTP. How him and I process crypto are insanely different. That Bitcoin analogy is spot on. That's why he's incharge of our crypto wallets lmao.
The edits at the end always kill me lol
Dan needed a rocket to open up his portal
Dave's funny remarks in this video are on point. It pains me to say it bc it makes me cringe, but he's completely right
Wait sorry which is it? Saying he's right makes you cringe? Saying people are right makes you cringe? Him being right makes you cringe? His funny remarks make you cringe?
Oe provides options to the tribe, not the self. Ni manages options for the self. Sensory is things. Intuition is ideas and plans. This is why ENTJs are so self-centered and use their Te to enforce procedures (often for their own advantage). ENTP uses Ne to give options to the tribe (outside the box thinking) with Ti in service to that purpose as a change agent rather than simply regurgitating tribal dogma.
Hey @michael, excellent insights. I think you just helped me see some more of the patterns. Do you know your type?
@@robschwartz9370 ENTP
It might be that way for ENTJs, but it doesn't have to be... There were some great leaders and system builders who fought oppression and were ENTJs, yes, they are mostly close-minded once they focus on something, but if that something benefits a lot of people who have similar identity it can be beneficial
arent they de - why would it be for themselves?
@@endgamez7621 because they are observing the tribe's for their selves to validate or inform Fi.
Is this just me or this video has an auto Vietnamese subtitle 🙄
Could you make a video of you guys giving your honest opinion on cognitive functions tests (sakirnova, keys2cog nition,typologycentral),cuz they seem to type very robotically yet people find them rather accurate? F.e I always score lowest on Te and highest on Ne so its kind of difficut to interpret any result(i think that goes for many).
my te= ti and my se=ni and im an istp lmfao using one of those cog tests
Still trying to fully understand what the observer freakout is, regardless of oe/oi it seems the fear is "pathways" (?) opening/closing so the fire alarm moment is being boxed in with no way out? But it also seems observers are not only freaked out by systems but sensory objects themselves, like an actual bulletproof limo. This sort of clarified but would love to hear more.
as a self-typed observer (ExxP) with Si last, i never organize, i struggle to plan and think ahead, and my "freakout" is every few weeks when this bites me in the ass. It's very literal, like my room is always a mess so i can't find books for school, i have trouble getting started with my school projects so i always do them last minute...
Observer literally only watching stock stuff and this 🤣
"People are just NPCs" Dave wanned to have said
Things (Environment/Experiences) as portals. versus People as portals (Quantum Leap)
The funny thing is I thought I was an infj but when I found your chanell I turned out be an istp.
I thought I was a mutated INFJ then I realized I just jumped my Fe 2nd function. So I get to be socially awkward and unemphatetic like everyone else yay.
I think you obsess more about the opening pathways when you’re blast first observer rather than a sleep consume
Yes, but if you are blast last once you got hit by that choice you are shook to your core since you didn't even have the motivation to do it not the energy but you realise you should have and then you're left with a pretty irrational miserable feeling
Any one else watching this who is not an observer and has a big question mark on their face? Portals going up or down, closing, opening- what weird science fiction novel are observers living in? Look at Shan's facial expressions, that is how I feel.
what the hell was that Ne nonsense at the end of the video lol
Somewhat strange. I wonder if the girl I just followed knows about this video. If she does, that’s kinda 🐍 mart.
What's type is the other guy on the chair?
Jimmy Kimmel? MF-Se/Fi-CS/B(P)
Hi
Man, you're fast.
@@CaveyMoth that's what she said
what was that end haha
Do you want to know why Dave calls himself 'DaveSuperPowers?' Well its because one of his super powers is being an INTJ.
As INTJs, we ARE excellent. Our type is the manifestation of the excellence. We are the Kings of the personality jungle. An INTJ is a brand new BMW. Every other type is a 2003 Chevy Impala that was previously owned by a smoker. We are rare. But desired. An INTJ solving a problem is like a lion stalking a pack of Giselle. He analyzes, he collects his thoughts, then tears the living **** out of it with his impeccable thinking process. I like to call us the 'Disciples of Darwin.' We are the top of the MBTI food chain. When an INTJ makes an argument, he thinks to himself "why/how could I be wrong?" He almost always, however, finds that he's correct because he's simply playing 5D chess, while every other type is playing checkers. Many believe that INTJs don't know how to "let loose" and "have fun." However, he is absolutely having fun. He finds pleasure in critiquing and deconstructing everything and everyone in his environment.
you're not an INTJ, are you?
I'm going to assume your sarcasm and enjoy it because the alternative is too damn irritating to encourage.
@@SailorSiFi thats what i thought XD
How long have you been prepearing this hahahahhaha
INTJ is not to be confused with Narcissism.
I think I'm estp probably
and I used to think I'm dom Ni
could I be Ne dom
that's why I think like this ?
Just go look at the tidal wave video's they made.
@@sybrandwoudstra9236 I have been around this content for a year and half
I didn't know harry Potter is a rapper
Hey Dave, Just a reminder you got Carl Jung's type wrong. How does it feel to be doing this for years and you can't even accurately type the man who started it. Well anyway limitations of being INTJ and all... have a day or whatever....
i believe hes an INFJ