Mind blown. From an INFP who literally spent her entire weekend stressing out and focusing on a people issue and asking for advise from an ENFP haha. How is it so obvious to them??
The trouble is that when friends say that people aren't a problem, I just assume the friends don't understand the situation. But now I see that I should assume that the friends do understand the situation and that people are indeed not a problem.
Okay, so, I am lead Ti and demon Fe, and I feel your pain. I know that people are judging me, for example, because it’s impossible for that not to happen when two sentient humans interact. In the past, I’ve had “friends” and similar individuals tell me that “nobody cares” and “just be yourself”, and other phrases akin to “people are not the problem”. The issue with advice like this is that it implies important details that aren’t specifically stated. When people tell me “just be yourself”, what they really mean is “it’s okay to mostly be yourself, within reason”. Because that isn’t what they say, however, it can be easy to make the mistake of following their advice without understanding the implicit context of when, where, and how said advice does not apply. This led me to basically following no-ones advice but my own, because “the people” can’t be trusted to say what they really mean. Now, through my studies in typology, I’ve finally come to realize where my Ti delusion of believing I knew “the truth” was coming from. It’s not an issue of not knowing what does and does not happen. I’m right that people automatically judge each other. However, the issue is one of degree. I perceive that I’m being judged at, say, 90%...when really I’m being judged at maybe 5%, and even that might not constitute conscious thought. So in the end I learned that the advice I was being given is not wrong - but my understanding of human behavior isn’t either. They are both right, and it is my job to tailor my subjective perspective to fit the information I have. So now I can say “yes, they’re probably judging me, but if what I’ve been told is any indication - I’ll bet that thought is not very important or influential in determining their feelings about me or their subsequent behaviors.” To summarize, I would say...be careful about taking your friends’ advice. It can be destructive if you allow yourself to be mislead by abstractions that oversimplify a complex situation. However, keep in mind that the degree of importance that you place on your fears is subjectively blown out of proportion in your own head. Therefore, you need the perspective of others to put your understanding of the world into a more realistic “big picture” of life so you can be as accurate about your assumptions as possible.
@@AK-jt7kh "Tailor your subjective perspective to enjoy life" is what I say. The information you have is great and very well thought out but how do you know it's true when you are not in their heads? Does the information you gather and organize make you happy? Most people simply enjoy seeing smiles.
What’s funny is that I’m a decider but when it comes to giving Te advice about people, it’s easy. Me being able to double observe the info, but still have problems processing the people TO ME. Other people’s people are fine.
Omg that was literally the most perfect decider-observer moment Link: I'm like trying to hide myself and see if he can see me, and by the end I was cowering in the corner showering in my own shower- that's no way to be- and once he left I'd be down like this and I'd be peeking to see if he's over there because he would be right there, and- Rhett: Your toilet keeps opening and closing
What's/re the formulae for "Judgers/Perceivers of Happenings/Places." I.E. "Today I was driving on a four laned road & traffic was blocked by a wreck. For at least an hour. The End. No. Really. That's it. That's all. Stop phuqn bugging me to elaborate." Or, a more simple everyday example: "Hey guys, look, it's raining." The End. ?
Cliven Longsight This is a difficult topic, as there are (in the OP system) jumpers (skipping second function) that will then exhibit both IxxP and IxxJ (in case of Sleep first) problems. To really understand what they mean with things vs people it’s best to watch their typing videos on their site. They guide you through the Decider vs Observer coin which will make this a whole lot clearer. On a personal note: hope you find a solution/answer for these things. I know the type of fears and obsessions you’re talking about (still have them) and it’s not easy to get rid of them. It might sound stupid, but when I started blaming myself for stuff it was easier to create positive change.
Cliven Longsight Thanks for the detailed reply! I agree it’s interesting to see that even though a lot of people (and scientists) disagree on which psychology theory is real or not, they seem to be talking about the same thing. Even when they do agree you’ll see ‘fights’ about terminology and such. That’s what I think is different about OP, they are not into the naming business but are tracking observations. With everything I do think there’s a spectrum, especially with the Decider vs Observer coin, as it is the biggest denominator. You’ll probably have a lot of people that experience both types of struggles.
You know, this channel is golden. They could've EASILY named this "a typing of Rhett and Link", to get more views and traffic. They are geniuinely testing their theories and employing them, they don't need the world to flock to them. But honestly, I hope all your hard work pays off and you guys become THE standard for typing.
Agreed. Though, on second thought, they should get more Ti users to go back & forth with (i.e. test their theories) prior to posting (maybe they already do?). Also, they should stop charging people until they've actually *arrived* to an actual consensus/Conclusion that their system *IS Actually* Scientifically Objective. In fact, they should be encouraging Volunteers &/or Paying people to help until they've reached the point where they'll submit their findings to an official Respectful Scientific committee. Right now, it looks & sounds like Hive mind level hypnosis. Like a cult. I want to be wrong about that. I really really do. Anyhow... we all KNOW they're gonna get *PAID* when the AI folks purchase their tech for Bot Consciousness purposes... So, why be all lead Te *&* greedy!? 😀 I do wonder if *that_IS* (AI Consciousness) their actual *Objective* (after all)? Hmmmm... 😂😂😂
@@dolfdervish8495 They have to make money, everyone has to and trust me what they are doing here is worth way more than some other jobs.. I actually thought about having a career in this field, but I dunno if it's worth of all the neurons that I will have to sacrifice to learn all the unimportant wrong stuff to get a psihology degree. 😒
@@dolfdervish8495 maybe this is their scope, but from the history that they have it seems that Dave was just a normal weirdo Intj who discovered mbti and well, here we are now..
Hey Hey "They have to make money.." Did I say they didn't? On the contrary, and, to address both of your replies here.. The story goes as follows: Online RC sales led them here. I'm quite certain they're doing juuuust fine financially. Edit: What I mean by that is they have established alternative ways to generate (passive) income; they don't need guinea pig's to pay them to test their unfinished ideas. And... Wait. Hold up... *Since when was "needing to make money" a solid foundation for infant stage Objective Scientific Discovery???* Like... Isn't it supposed to be the other way around??? And, like... Doesn't that (the former) create vested interest bias??? Remember, they aren't "there" yet. This is all an experiment before *THE* experiment. It'd be like Dyson &/or Steve Jobs charging interns for designs... Before they were actually design techs/legit firms. Here's another example: I'm trained in an advanced form of therapeutic/Somatic bodywork. My school charges models a very very very discounted price to come in and be worked on/with by student practitioners. Here's the caveat: *The School is already legitimately established.* They (DSP) aren't. Almost... But, not yet. The monetary thing is just one reason why I challenge the "Objective" claim(s). The other, being the obvious/blatantly apparent/visible Grandfather Clock principle. Thanks for your feedback! Always enjoy(ed). Edit2: Because you've been what appeared/appears to be previously Authentic & Respectful, I'm just gonna come clean & clearly state what I'm "up to" in here (besides learning, exchanging ideas, & enjoying the entertainment value/feel something--solo &/or in collaboration with others) Real quick... In Theory, I *LOVE* & *fully* support what they're doing (with Respect to bridging the gap between Old School Jungian Typology & New School Pop MBTI... And a sprinkle of The Big 5/OCEAN... All while using the Scientific Method to Objectively Discover the Actual Conclusion).. Only, I'd really like to see it reach the masses. In order for that to happen though, they'd have to actually abandon the cult following *&* *!YAY MERNAY!* "thing(s)," and, link up with several Actual Leading Experts (not "lau-dee-phuqn-dau" "experts") in the field they've/they're inserted/inserting themselves in. Heck, even Tony Robbins, arguably the #1 Personal Growth/Self Improvement Salesman of ALL TIME, got that. It's why he's so successful. What I mean by that is: It's Actually Real... He researched (& studied with) Leaders in their Respective fields. Had Mentors. Got their backing; THEN, Got After It. They/he follow(ed/s) the Platinum Sales Principle: "The Best thing's in life sell themselves." Why though? Cuz they Objectively *&* Subjectively work. How/why? *Cuz they're Real.* (The Circle is now complete ROFL). All the talking is just to guide you along the Path when the unexpected "how's" pop up. Tony's "Cult" Following "thing" happend 2nd. Same thing with Jocko. SEAL 1st. BJJ 2nd. Gym 3rd. Podcast 4th. "Get After It" 5th... Sales, last. (Funny thing, Jocko & Echo save the personal plugs for the end of their podcast(s)) Ya dig!? 😁
I am exactly like Link, but way more paranoid about people. I close all the blinds in the house, because I don't want my neighbors to see me. If I hear neighbors talking in the hallway I wait until it subsides to leave my apartment, because I don't want to run into them...I could go on and on.... I'm completely nuts.
6:37 that’s my fi. I need whoever that’s listening to me has to understand me perfectly and take me seriously. I noticed that similarity with link when rhett isn’t taking the situation seriously
So funny. I’m an ISFJ and my wife is an ENFP. We totally get stuck in our observer loops. We get on our justice high horse and seriously can’t stop haha
Finally, a real difference between Infp and Enfp!!!! Finallyyyy!!! One that we can truly differenciate one from the other. Thank you, now I can say for sure that I am INFP.. I keep the state of uh uh uh about people, whereas other people always seem to know to say or do. Also, I hate calling. I always text. Even if it is important. And I would hide in the shower too. My sister makes so much fun of me, that is why I love her, she makes me aware of how ridiculous I am xD and also, I wouldn`t tell that I hide from my neirbour to a lot of people xD
Yeap, I just went through _exactly_ the same process. Funny how that works. I might still be INTP, but ENFP is out of the window. (My sister is ENFJ though, so not much help there.)
@@PuzzleQodec well, I have si as a demon, my third function, but I sometimes like organizing.. But I am tremendously disorganized.. Only once per week I feel like organizing sth.. What is your first function? Have you figure it out??
@@PuzzleQodec i am not an expert, but I`ve watched sooo many videos about this.. Feeling and thinking is about the way you make your decisions.. Do you use logic more on your decision proccess or, emotions and feeling??? Also you could be N or S on your first function
i'm obsessed with noticing everything. I'd notice my neighbour AND i'd notice the toilet AND i'd notice the light flashing AND everything else. And this is what overwhlemes me very quickly - the ammount of information about EVERYTHING that available around me that i constantly take in! Ppl arguing that attract my attention, my coworker little cute sneeze, sparrows chirping outside with some intersting patterns, rain droplets on the window, cars on street hoking as if this might speed them up, the way some of my friends talk and behave that i find amusing (and sometimes copy to make little harmless fun of them). E V E R Y T H I N G! This is rly hard to live like a sponge(bob). But thanks to MBTI i found out i'm most likely ENTP with very slight extraversion, like 4-5%. So i decided to go with it to see where it leads. Whats more proving is that i HATE being told what to do, i HATE rules, i never conform to any routine, always in the search of original solution to everyting, my room is total mess, my kitchen also is, i probably have adhd, i work as a programmer, but require a break every half-an-hour cuz i cant concentrate on one task for this long (adhd too?), my sleep schedule is fkd up etc. (cuz i didn't like when i was told to go to sleep when i was younger) So after i went with ENTP as an experiment - i found out the oulet of all the overwhelming information i take in. And it was in telling this info back to all the ppl around me. Talking with them, sharing my weirdness, my crazy idead. And to my surprise it went smoother than i was afraid of. And those who see me as weirdo - i just brush them off, thats all. Not getting into any conflict - just letting them go on with their business as they might be too much sensory or something like this. This works so far and i start to see improvement in my Ne and overall extraversion. Very fast improvement. Can this be that i was surpressing my actuall self this whole time trying to conform to social norms and stuff? It feels so much freedom now that i started to give my weirdness back to the environment
This is soooo hilarious!!! I love the observers, the way they don't take people seriously! Hahaha. I think this is why I have made such good friends with ENFP's as an INFP. I admire their easy going look on people
Dude the “zombie apocalypse “ is me with working out! Gym rats talking about proteins and amino acids and then there’s me “I’m TRAINING TO BE HOKAGE!!!!” lmaoooo
@@austinharris7653 the most obviuous Fe-Se Quote Ever indeed, that's the reason why naruto mostly gets confused with ESFP, in fact most of Fighting shonen protagonist are ENFJ Fe-Se Play/Blast with Sleep Last.
This was SUPER amazing! I was finally able to narrow down me and my husband. He's the ij/ep and I'm the ip/ej. THANK YOU for clarifying your definitions so well.
Meanwhile, I'm wondering why in the world anyone would want a window in their shower in the first place. If you need it there for ventilation because your house is really old, or built weirdly so that you can't have a very good forced ventilation system with ductwork and motorized fans, then at least put in a window with frosted glass, or stick one of those translucent stickers on it that makes it look like it's frosted glass. That way, you can still have natural light in the room and you can still open the window to regulate humidity etc. but your neighbor won't see you. The solution is simple.
That's me and my friend. My friend: ...this person....that person...another person... people.... Me: *whines for half an hour because the table I asked my sister to buy me because I didnt want to choose a table is so damn uncomfortable to sit at*
@@HeyHey-ep9ld you just haven't sat at that table. It has a drawer and that drawer just doesn't let you sit any other way than straight with your legs on the floor, and if you start moving your legs you hit the table. Well, it's probably mostly because of the chair (it's like an office chair) and they just don't go together. And when I'm writing (which is one of two situations when I sit at the table, either writing or tutoring) I get in the zone, in another world, I take on the personalities of my characters, they go through emotional ordeals and difficult decisions....and then i hit the freaking table!!! It's so distracting
@@einsame_Maria Uhh I'm sorry for you. I stay every week with my legs stuffed in a computer shelf(OK forgive my demon sensing but you got the idea, the vertical space where you put the procesor and all that ) because it's a desk for two and well I can't just invade the space of my intp coworker or stay with one foot on the shelf and one out, can I?? 😂😂😂
Yeah. My mom, an Si/Fi (and I’m Ti/Ne), is always surfing the news telling me everything that Trump says and does. I’m like enough! I don’t need to hear every iteration of him gas lighting or whatever. It’s like your Dave Blaine (I think) example where double observers are like “k bored now. It the same trick expect he was in the bathtub instead of buried under ground. Got it. Just realized I’m the only double observer in my house! It all makes sense! I just told my mom this and she “I think you care about people and things...” ugh.
I always thought I was an observer (ISFJ) more specifically. However, you’re videos have been making me feel like I am much more of a decider. I feel like I am a bit more weird about people than things.
So when they say "things" that could be something like an apocalypse or politics as well? They don't mean it always has to be literal tangible things right? I'm confused...
Yeah it kinda sounds like they have the two categories: 1. people 2. Everything else. Because I think my way of thinking most of the time could be traced back to people but I that is just a natural thing for humans to do. We are inherently social creatures as they discussed in another video. However I am not necessarily thinking about a specific person or group of people, nor am I very concerned about my physical environment.
Yes it is abstract concepts and concrete things I am a thing person but usually my things are centered around people so if your things are people focused your still a thing person I tend to talk about human behavior, psychology, religion, experiences, technology, opinions, entertainment all those things but I rarely find myself talking about other people specifically and if I do I don't take them seriously and mess with them in my imagination :>
You should do an episode on analyzing the Joker! He’s such a deep character in the new movie, and I’d love to see what he is when put to a personality exam.
@Mr. 8-Bit Doggo I type (mostly not double blind, but anyway) a lot of people, celebrities or from my life, and she does look like some ladies I have for this type lol. Every type has similar faces but its like a spectrum where people in one end can look different from people in the other end. Usually it's a short face and a long face version.
Having examples like these clarifies do much! Explaining things can only go so far, and is so subject to interpretation.... Could you do the same with hunter gatherers?
This reminds me of a time when I was courting a romantic interest and my friend gave me the advice of whispering seductively in her ear. My response, “bro, can you whisper that in my ear so then i’ll know what itll be like when i whisper it in her ear”. 😂
Interesting. I used to theorise that Rhett is an ENTP and Link an ESFJ. Whether an INFP or ESFJ, he definitely uses Si as his secondary function, above Ne, because he often talks about his routines and such like. Somehow I still see them both as Fe users. If anyone else wants to weigh in on this, please do!
It's a contradiction when a intuitive cannot imagine being the neighbor at that moment, and have to simulate the action to understand. It's like simulating a movie in real live to understand that movie.
Link can understand the neighbours perspective just fine. He just needs to be in the neighbours shoes to get better accuracy. It’s like the difference between knowing you can bake a cake and actually baking it.
Off topic: People with the same functions and animals look alike. At least partially. I know you do NOT do facial reading and that is definitely the right track. But is it a terribly out there idea to assume that an AI might potentially be able to work off existing patters (that may get a lot more accurate in the future, due to more and more people being typed) - and type people correctly just by facial analysis? In recent times, I found myself increasingly often assuming people's OP types by their faces. Not that I want to do this, but I can't help the idea when it comes up. Specific example, in case there's _any_ Germans out there stumbling upon this comment: Thomas Panke, "Held der Steine" on CZcams. He looks like Dave, I think that's pretty obvious. But if you know German and listen to him talk, I can't help but see him as saviour Ni/Fi. A great example would be his recent podcast episode (on his second YT channel "Der Held") called "Ich bin ja ein ruhiger Fahrer". I only ever got interested in hearing him talk because he so obviously looks like an Ni/Fi-SB/P type and I know that pattern. Well. In said episode, he talks about the dangers of driving and how he can't comprehend how increeeedibly unserious and stupid other people are with something as dangerous as moving a vehicle. Raging about things and chaos. And being pretty self ironic at that, like a double decider. I really cracked up when he went something like: "But am *_I_* being the freak here? Or everyone else? Meh, probably everyone else." For me trying to type him, it doesn't help my confirmation bias that he also talks - and seems to think - really really really similarly to an Ni/Fi guy I got to know a while back, who also looks like Dave and other Ni/Fi's of (probably) that exact kind.
It's feb 2021 and yeah I can imagine saying "see I told ya". This last year has been like playing conspiracy bingo. Just waiting on aliens at this point.
Interesting stuff. How would this go with say NTPs, who are more thing oriented by default per their Ti? Or maybe it's not the same thing? Horrible pun intended.
Think I’m more weird about people so a Decider. For example during lockdown I’ve been looking out of my window a lot to watch nature (we have a big tree full of lots of birds and overlook the beach also) however if I see my neighbours about I will skulk behind the curtains so they don’t see me, but if I notice them do anything odd I’ll tell my family. And then keep looking out the window. 😂 I sound like such a creep!
Hey, could you give us your thoughts DEFAULT behaviour vs FACADE behaviour? I mean DEFAULT as people who are not that self aware, who can be typed as above. I mean FACADE as those who are a lot more in control. They don't seem to appear in your videos, but surely they exist. After all it's about balance, and somepeople should master these cognitive skills.
it’s a difference in what the source of the worry is. using OPs system, the IP is worried that the tribe is out to get them, hence the paranoia about being seen, whereas the EJ would be worried about them self. they’re fine with the neighbour, they talk to him every morning when taking the bins out, he’s cool, but they worry about how they stack up maybe. idk that’s my best attempt but i’m a P im p sure so i really don’t understand how Je people work.
The saviors are obvious. For an EJ, the relationship with the neighbour, for instance, is obvious, it's easy, it's comfortable. What they struggle with is the identity issues. For an IP, the identity is obvious and the struggle is the relationship with other people.
OMG, I just went to CZcams Ted Talks, and here are the suggested topics 1 and 7: 1) "The hidden history found in your teeth", 7) "How not to take things personally".
On this topic of end-of-world scenarios, do you guys watch any videos by Randall Carlson or Graham Hancock about the Younger Dryas Impact Event around 12900 years ago - would be interesting if you compared their personalities. Good footage from the Joe Rogan podcasts! :)
Found this compilation someone did, might as well have called "Rhett being a single observer for 9 minutes straight" czcams.com/video/Vn6yz9anGQA/video.html
I think this two questions will help you: What is the priority for this person: preserving a lot of energy and then go use it when necessary (S>P) or spending a lot of energy and then go to rest when necessary? How the person process information first: reflecting alone (S) or gathering other people's perspective (P)?
Hey did you guys here about that crazy *Noah* guy & his loony family who live down the street? He actually built this huge a** boat, I think he called it an _“ark,”_ & he keeps _stuffing animals in it!_ Saying stuff like, _”the sky is gonna start crying & you’re all gonna drown,”_ or some other kooky sh*t like that.
Or you could just take a shower and look out window and think, "gonna be a real nice day." Even the Rhett "thing" guy was still tripping on his relationship to the other people.
Literally a discussion with my husband at a red light: Him: messing with his radio trying to get it to do with he wants. Keeps turning the volume louder and quieter. Me: would you cut that out that guy driving the car next to us keeps looking over here I hate when other people can hear our music! Him: I don’t care I can’t get this damn thing to work right! Me: it’s working fine just leave it alone! 🤦🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
Here: czcams.com/video/1s6GZTd4LDY/video.html That's a video within which, at 10:50+, Echo Charles *blatantly* says that Jocko is more intense about Thing's, over People (rank wise). What does *that* mean?
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Mind blown. From an INFP who literally spent her entire weekend stressing out and focusing on a people issue and asking for advise from an ENFP haha. How is it so obvious to them??
The trouble is that when friends say that people aren't a problem, I just assume the friends don't understand the situation. But now I see that I should assume that the friends do understand the situation and that people are indeed not a problem.
I do the same thing but with things!! wow haha
Okay, so, I am lead Ti and demon Fe, and I feel your pain. I know that people are judging me, for example, because it’s impossible for that not to happen when two sentient humans interact.
In the past, I’ve had “friends” and similar individuals tell me that “nobody cares” and “just be yourself”, and other phrases akin to “people are not the problem”.
The issue with advice like this is that it implies important details that aren’t specifically stated. When people tell me “just be yourself”, what they really mean is “it’s okay to mostly be yourself, within reason”. Because that isn’t what they say, however, it can be easy to make the mistake of following their advice without understanding the implicit context of when, where, and how said advice does not apply.
This led me to basically following no-ones advice but my own, because “the people” can’t be trusted to say what they really mean.
Now, through my studies in typology, I’ve finally come to realize where my Ti delusion of believing I knew “the truth” was coming from.
It’s not an issue of not knowing what does and does not happen. I’m right that people automatically judge each other. However, the issue is one of degree. I perceive that I’m being judged at, say, 90%...when really I’m being judged at maybe 5%, and even that might not constitute conscious thought.
So in the end I learned that the advice I was being given is not wrong - but my understanding of human behavior isn’t either. They are both right, and it is my job to tailor my subjective perspective to fit the information I have.
So now I can say “yes, they’re probably judging me, but if what I’ve been told is any indication - I’ll bet that thought is not very important or influential in determining their feelings about me or their subsequent behaviors.”
To summarize, I would say...be careful about taking your friends’ advice. It can be destructive if you allow yourself to be mislead by abstractions that oversimplify a complex situation. However, keep in mind that the degree of importance that you place on your fears is subjectively blown out of proportion in your own head. Therefore, you need the perspective of others to put your understanding of the world into a more realistic “big picture” of life so you can be as accurate about your assumptions as possible.
@@AK-jt7kh "Tailor your subjective perspective to enjoy life" is what I say. The information you have is great and very well thought out but how do you know it's true when you are not in their heads? Does the information you gather and organize make you happy? Most people simply enjoy seeing smiles.
What’s funny is that I’m a decider but when it comes to giving Te advice about people, it’s easy. Me being able to double observe the info, but still have problems processing the people TO ME. Other people’s people are fine.
Omg that was literally the most perfect decider-observer moment
Link: I'm like trying to hide myself and see if he can see me, and by the end I was cowering in the corner showering in my own shower- that's no way to be- and once he left I'd be down like this and I'd be peeking to see if he's over there because he would be right there, and-
Rhett: Your toilet keeps opening and closing
IP/EJ = Link > Judgemental Perceiver of People
IJ/EP = Rhett > Perceptive Judger of Things
What's/re the formulae for "Judgers/Perceivers of Happenings/Places."
I.E. "Today I was driving on a four laned road & traffic was blocked by a wreck. For at least an hour. The End. No. Really. That's it. That's all. Stop phuqn bugging me to elaborate."
Or, a more simple everyday example:
"Hey guys, look, it's raining."
The End.
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Commercial Kings!
no, they are both IJ/EP, rhett is ENFP and link is INFP
@@Ntrinzc lol. Read your comment again.
THE BASICS!! This is core for typing others.
Cliven Longsight you have not named a single person or tribe issue in your entire message. These are all things that you’re pointing at.
Cliven Longsight This is a difficult topic, as there are (in the OP system) jumpers (skipping second function) that will then exhibit both IxxP and IxxJ (in case of Sleep first) problems.
To really understand what they mean with things vs people it’s best to watch their typing videos on their site. They guide you through the Decider vs Observer coin which will make this a whole lot clearer.
On a personal note: hope you find a solution/answer for these things. I know the type of fears and obsessions you’re talking about (still have them) and it’s not easy to get rid of them. It might sound stupid, but when I started blaming myself for stuff it was easier to create positive change.
Cliven Longsight Thanks for the detailed reply! I agree it’s interesting to see that even though a lot of people (and scientists) disagree on which psychology theory is real or not, they seem to be talking about the same thing.
Even when they do agree you’ll see ‘fights’ about terminology and such. That’s what I think is different about OP, they are not into the naming business but are tracking observations.
With everything I do think there’s a spectrum, especially with the Decider vs Observer coin, as it is the biggest denominator. You’ll probably have a lot of people that experience both types of struggles.
You know, this channel is golden. They could've EASILY named this "a typing of Rhett and Link", to get more views and traffic. They are geniuinely testing their theories and employing them, they don't need the world to flock to them.
But honestly, I hope all your hard work pays off and you guys become THE standard for typing.
Yup, these guys and all the people in the commentS section restored my faith in humanity lol😂
Agreed.
Though, on second thought, they should get more Ti users to go back & forth with (i.e. test their theories) prior to posting (maybe they already do?).
Also, they should stop charging people until they've actually *arrived* to an actual consensus/Conclusion that their system *IS Actually* Scientifically Objective.
In fact, they should be encouraging Volunteers &/or Paying people to help until they've reached the point where they'll submit their findings to an official Respectful Scientific committee.
Right now, it looks & sounds like Hive mind level hypnosis.
Like a cult.
I want to be wrong about that.
I really really do.
Anyhow... we all KNOW they're gonna get *PAID* when the AI folks purchase their tech for Bot Consciousness purposes...
So, why be all lead Te *&* greedy!? 😀
I do wonder if *that_IS* (AI Consciousness) their actual *Objective* (after all)?
Hmmmm...
😂😂😂
@@dolfdervish8495 They have to make money, everyone has to and trust me what they are doing here is worth way more than some other jobs.. I actually thought about having a career in this field, but I dunno if it's worth of all the neurons that I will have to sacrifice to learn all the unimportant wrong stuff to get a psihology degree. 😒
@@dolfdervish8495 maybe this is their scope, but from the history that they have it seems that Dave was just a normal weirdo Intj who discovered mbti and well, here we are now..
Hey Hey
"They have to make money.."
Did I say they didn't?
On the contrary, and, to address both of your replies here..
The story goes as follows:
Online RC sales led them here.
I'm quite certain they're doing juuuust fine financially.
Edit: What I mean by that is they have established alternative ways to generate (passive) income; they don't need guinea pig's to pay them to test their unfinished ideas.
And...
Wait.
Hold up...
*Since when was "needing to make money" a solid foundation for infant stage Objective Scientific Discovery???*
Like...
Isn't it supposed to be the other way around???
And, like...
Doesn't that (the former) create vested interest bias???
Remember, they aren't "there" yet.
This is all an experiment before *THE* experiment.
It'd be like Dyson &/or Steve Jobs charging interns for designs... Before they were actually design techs/legit firms.
Here's another example:
I'm trained in an advanced form of therapeutic/Somatic bodywork.
My school charges models a very very very discounted price to come in and be worked on/with by student practitioners.
Here's the caveat:
*The School is already legitimately established.*
They (DSP) aren't.
Almost...
But, not yet.
The monetary thing is just one reason why I challenge the "Objective" claim(s).
The other, being the obvious/blatantly apparent/visible Grandfather Clock principle.
Thanks for your feedback!
Always enjoy(ed).
Edit2: Because you've been what appeared/appears to be previously Authentic & Respectful, I'm just gonna come clean & clearly state what I'm "up to" in here (besides learning, exchanging ideas, & enjoying the entertainment value/feel something--solo &/or in collaboration with others) Real quick...
In Theory, I *LOVE* & *fully* support what they're doing (with Respect to bridging the gap between Old School Jungian Typology & New School Pop MBTI... And a sprinkle of The Big 5/OCEAN... All while using the Scientific Method to Objectively Discover the Actual Conclusion)..
Only, I'd really like to see it reach the masses.
In order for that to happen though, they'd have to actually abandon the cult following *&* *!YAY MERNAY!* "thing(s)," and, link up with several Actual Leading Experts (not "lau-dee-phuqn-dau" "experts") in the field they've/they're inserted/inserting themselves in.
Heck, even Tony Robbins, arguably the #1 Personal Growth/Self Improvement Salesman of ALL TIME, got that.
It's why he's so successful.
What I mean by that is:
It's Actually Real...
He researched (& studied with) Leaders in their Respective fields.
Had Mentors.
Got their backing;
THEN, Got After It.
They/he follow(ed/s) the Platinum Sales Principle:
"The Best thing's in life sell themselves."
Why though?
Cuz they Objectively *&* Subjectively work.
How/why?
*Cuz they're Real.*
(The Circle is now complete ROFL).
All the talking is just to guide you along the Path when the unexpected "how's" pop up.
Tony's "Cult" Following "thing" happend 2nd.
Same thing with Jocko.
SEAL 1st.
BJJ 2nd.
Gym 3rd.
Podcast 4th.
"Get After It" 5th...
Sales, last.
(Funny thing, Jocko & Echo save the personal plugs for the end of their podcast(s))
Ya dig!?
😁
Me (ESTP) taking a shower and looking out the window and seeing my neighbor. "Hey, whats up?"
thats the real dominant move
silent nod is more powerful
I am exactly like Link, but way more paranoid about people.
I close all the blinds in the house, because I don't want my neighbors to see me. If I hear neighbors talking in the hallway I wait until it subsides to leave my apartment, because I don't want to run into them...I could go on and on.... I'm completely nuts.
This is a super important video!
Y'all're getting good out here in 2020
Yes!
6:37 that’s my fi. I need whoever that’s listening to me has to understand me perfectly and take me seriously. I noticed that similarity with link when rhett isn’t taking the situation seriously
This is soooo good! My girlfriend is an INFP and she is ALWAYS looking out the window to see what's going on with the neighbors. Cracks me up.
So funny. I’m an ISFJ and my wife is an ENFP. We totally get stuck in our observer loops. We get on our justice high horse and seriously can’t stop haha
This is great! I'm bookmarking this for future reference to show people the difference between single observer and single decider.
Not only is the information no longer missing, it will never be missing ever again 😄
Finally, a real difference between Infp and Enfp!!!! Finallyyyy!!! One that we can truly differenciate one from the other.
Thank you, now I can say for sure that I am INFP.. I keep the state of uh uh uh about people, whereas other people always seem to know to say or do. Also, I hate calling. I always text. Even if it is important.
And I would hide in the shower too.
My sister makes so much fun of me, that is why I love her, she makes me aware of how ridiculous I am xD and also, I wouldn`t tell that I hide from my neirbour to a lot of people xD
Yeap, I just went through _exactly_ the same process. Funny how that works. I might still be INTP, but ENFP is out of the window. (My sister is ENFJ though, so not much help there.)
@@PuzzleQodec If You are not a feeler it is easy to tell..
@@dianadias3 That simple huh? Maybe just hard to imagine that people with only a little F do exist out there.
@@PuzzleQodec well, I have si as a demon, my third function, but I sometimes like organizing..
But I am tremendously disorganized.. Only once per week I feel like organizing sth..
What is your first function? Have you figure it out??
@@PuzzleQodec i am not an expert, but I`ve watched sooo many videos about this..
Feeling and thinking is about the way you make your decisions..
Do you use logic more on your decision proccess or, emotions and feeling???
Also you could be N or S on your first function
i'm obsessed with noticing everything. I'd notice my neighbour AND i'd notice the toilet AND i'd notice the light flashing AND everything else. And this is what overwhlemes me very quickly - the ammount of information about EVERYTHING that available around me that i constantly take in! Ppl arguing that attract my attention, my coworker little cute sneeze, sparrows chirping outside with some intersting patterns, rain droplets on the window, cars on street hoking as if this might speed them up, the way some of my friends talk and behave that i find amusing (and sometimes copy to make little harmless fun of them). E V E R Y T H I N G! This is rly hard to live like a sponge(bob).
But thanks to MBTI i found out i'm most likely ENTP with very slight extraversion, like 4-5%. So i decided to go with it to see where it leads. Whats more proving is that i HATE being told what to do, i HATE rules, i never conform to any routine, always in the search of original solution to everyting, my room is total mess, my kitchen also is, i probably have adhd, i work as a programmer, but require a break every half-an-hour cuz i cant concentrate on one task for this long (adhd too?), my sleep schedule is fkd up etc. (cuz i didn't like when i was told to go to sleep when i was younger)
So after i went with ENTP as an experiment - i found out the oulet of all the overwhelming information i take in. And it was in telling this info back to all the ppl around me. Talking with them, sharing my weirdness, my crazy idead. And to my surprise it went smoother than i was afraid of. And those who see me as weirdo - i just brush them off, thats all. Not getting into any conflict - just letting them go on with their business as they might be too much sensory or something like this. This works so far and i start to see improvement in my Ne and overall extraversion. Very fast improvement. Can this be that i was surpressing my actuall self this whole time trying to conform to social norms and stuff? It feels so much freedom now that i started to give my weirdness back to the environment
This is soooo hilarious!!! I love the observers, the way they don't take people seriously! Hahaha. I think this is why I have made such good friends with ENFP's as an INFP. I admire their easy going look on people
Who puts a window right in front of the showering area 🤷🏻♂️.
Dude the “zombie apocalypse “ is me with working out! Gym rats talking about proteins and amino acids and then there’s me “I’m TRAINING TO BE HOKAGE!!!!” lmaoooo
Naruto is most likely ENFJ Fe-Se
you are definitely a single decider yourself
@@austinharris7653 the most obviuous Fe-Se Quote Ever indeed, that's the reason why naruto mostly gets confused with ESFP, in fact most of Fighting shonen protagonist are ENFJ Fe-Se Play/Blast with Sleep Last.
@a h OMG can we become a crew like in One Piece
@@BigChungusOriginal you’re not giving decider vibes huh.
This was SUPER amazing! I was finally able to narrow down me and my husband. He's the ij/ep and I'm the ip/ej. THANK YOU for clarifying your definitions so well.
Wow this video opened my mind, I am sooo amazed to see these patterns. Just wow! Thank you so much!!!
"Apocalypse? Sure, we'll ride it out. Anyways..." LOL
This was definitely the most fun I've ever had watching your vid (I always like it though :) )
Meanwhile, I'm wondering why in the world anyone would want a window in their shower in the first place. If you need it there for ventilation because your house is really old, or built weirdly so that you can't have a very good forced ventilation system with ductwork and motorized fans, then at least put in a window with frosted glass, or stick one of those translucent stickers on it that makes it look like it's frosted glass. That way, you can still have natural light in the room and you can still open the window to regulate humidity etc. but your neighbor won't see you. The solution is simple.
That's me and my friend.
My friend: ...this person....that person...another person... people....
Me: *whines for half an hour because the table I asked my sister to buy me because I didnt want to choose a table is so damn uncomfortable to sit at*
I can't understand how some PEOPLE can be bothered so much by a table. It's all about the PEOPLE😂😂😂
@@HeyHey-ep9ld you just haven't sat at that table. It has a drawer and that drawer just doesn't let you sit any other way than straight with your legs on the floor, and if you start moving your legs you hit the table. Well, it's probably mostly because of the chair (it's like an office chair) and they just don't go together. And when I'm writing (which is one of two situations when I sit at the table, either writing or tutoring) I get in the zone, in another world, I take on the personalities of my characters, they go through emotional ordeals and difficult decisions....and then i hit the freaking table!!! It's so distracting
@@einsame_Maria Uhh I'm sorry for you. I stay every week with my legs stuffed in a computer shelf(OK forgive my demon sensing but you got the idea, the vertical space where you put the procesor and all that ) because it's a desk for two and well I can't just invade the space of my intp coworker or stay with one foot on the shelf and one out, can I?? 😂😂😂
Yeah. My mom, an Si/Fi (and I’m Ti/Ne), is always surfing the news telling me everything that Trump says and does. I’m like enough! I don’t need to hear every iteration of him gas lighting or whatever. It’s like your Dave Blaine (I think) example where double observers are like “k bored now. It the same trick expect he was in the bathtub instead of buried under ground. Got it. Just realized I’m the only double observer in my house! It all makes sense! I just told my mom this and she “I think you care about people and things...” ugh.
Yayyy idk why I always get so excited whenever y’all post!
YOU CAN BE BOTH NICE AND MEAN TO THE SAME PERSON!!!! 😱 NOBODY EVER TOLD ME THAT!!!!!!!!! #TheMoreYouKnow
I like the colour contrast today
Love this channel!! Cracks me up all the time, while still educating!
this is so comforting, i hope it's the truth!!!
Watched this year's ago and it stuck with me. A similar one on Ian and Anthony from smosh would be awesome!
That was such a great example..still chuckling
yeah I definitely am weird about people. That's one question answered! Thank you!
Its really really coming together, yours system is really good.
I always thought I was an observer (ISFJ) more specifically. However, you’re videos have been making me feel like I am much more of a decider.
I feel like I am a bit more weird about people than things.
This was hilarious! Loved it.
This was hilarious. Thank you!!!
🤣🤣🤣 Hilarious!
I think this one is gonna help me with typing big time! Awesome!
🤣🤣🤣I ove you guys!!! I'm addicted to your channel! ♥️
Brilliant!! 😂
So when they say "things" that could be something like an apocalypse or politics as well? They don't mean it always has to be literal tangible things right? I'm confused...
Concepts are not specific to people/identity, so yes.
Same question.
Like..
We got 2 of the nouns covered..
How about Place(s), Ideas, & Happenings?
Yeah it kinda sounds like they have the two categories: 1. people 2. Everything else. Because I think my way of thinking most of the time could be traced back to people but I that is just a natural thing for humans to do. We are inherently social creatures as they discussed in another video. However I am not necessarily thinking about a specific person or group of people, nor am I very concerned about my physical environment.
Yes it is abstract concepts and concrete things
I am a thing person but usually my things are centered around people so if your things are people focused your still a thing person
I tend to talk about human behavior, psychology, religion, experiences, technology, opinions, entertainment all those things but I rarely find myself talking about other people specifically and if I do I don't take them seriously and mess with them in my imagination :>
You should do an episode on analyzing the Joker! He’s such a deep character in the new movie, and I’d love to see what he is when put to a personality exam.
I’m the exact same type as Link hahahah I was laughing so much to this video
Officially Shaved?
@Mr. 8-Bit Doggo I type (mostly not double blind, but anyway) a lot of people, celebrities or from my life, and she does look like some ladies I have for this type lol. Every type has similar faces but its like a spectrum where people in one end can look different from people in the other end. Usually it's a short face and a long face version.
Oops I feel so judged right now haha! I don't know if Link is MF though, is he? I'm audio. They don't say in the video if they typed him as MF or FF.
@Mr. 8-Bit Doggo You can't type people based on their looks anyway :) btw yes I am Scandinavian
@@KajsaBernhardina You're my type sister lol. I self type as the FF version (for one year now).
Having examples like these clarifies do much! Explaining things can only go so far, and is so subject to interpretation.... Could you do the same with hunter gatherers?
OMG !!!!!! that family at the end of your video, looked like my family from Arkansas !!!!!!!!!
This reminds me of a time when I was courting a romantic interest and my friend gave me the advice of whispering seductively in her ear. My response, “bro, can you whisper that in my ear so then i’ll know what itll be like when i whisper it in her ear”. 😂
Interesting. I used to theorise that Rhett is an ENTP and Link an ESFJ. Whether an INFP or ESFJ, he definitely uses Si as his secondary function, above Ne, because he often talks about his routines and such like. Somehow I still see them both as Fe users. If anyone else wants to weigh in on this, please do!
No wonder I loved Rhett and Link!! I'm an INFP Lead Consume...
wow this is great, have been wondering for a while whether I was an I/E nfp.
I realllly found this video helpful!!
I'm audio, listening to Dave and Shan at 0.75 speed is working for me now.
I love it.
omg, this is *so* my friend (EJ) and me (EP)!
Rhett is me normally, Link is me the day after dropping acid
"u and i've been talking about..."
It's a contradiction when a intuitive cannot imagine being the neighbor at that moment, and have to simulate the action to understand.
It's like simulating a movie in real live to understand that movie.
Link can understand the neighbours perspective just fine. He just needs to be in the neighbours shoes to get better accuracy.
It’s like the difference between knowing you can bake a cake and actually baking it.
8:43 Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel and that third guy. It all makes sense now.
😂😂😂😂😂👏👏👏
shan thy sweater gives me good fluffies in my tummy
Off topic:
People with the same functions and animals look alike. At least partially. I know you do NOT do facial reading and that is definitely the right track. But is it a terribly out there idea to assume that an AI might potentially be able to work off existing patters (that may get a lot more accurate in the future, due to more and more people being typed) - and type people correctly just by facial analysis? In recent times, I found myself increasingly often assuming people's OP types by their faces. Not that I want to do this, but I can't help the idea when it comes up.
Specific example, in case there's _any_ Germans out there stumbling upon this comment:
Thomas Panke, "Held der Steine" on CZcams. He looks like Dave, I think that's pretty obvious. But if you know German and listen to him talk, I can't help but see him as saviour Ni/Fi. A great example would be his recent podcast episode (on his second YT channel "Der Held") called "Ich bin ja ein ruhiger Fahrer". I only ever got interested in hearing him talk because he so obviously looks like an Ni/Fi-SB/P type and I know that pattern. Well. In said episode, he talks about the dangers of driving and how he can't comprehend how increeeedibly unserious and stupid other people are with something as dangerous as moving a vehicle. Raging about things and chaos. And being pretty self ironic at that, like a double decider. I really cracked up when he went something like: "But am *_I_* being the freak here? Or everyone else? Meh, probably everyone else." For me trying to type him, it doesn't help my confirmation bias that he also talks - and seems to think - really really really similarly to an Ni/Fi guy I got to know a while back, who also looks like Dave and other Ni/Fi's of (probably) that exact kind.
When you finally get up the courage to assert your dominance on your neighbor by aggressively locking eyes with them and they don’t even notice... 😔
Hahaha 😂 that was funny!
It's feb 2021 and yeah I can imagine saying "see I told ya". This last year has been like playing conspiracy bingo. Just waiting on aliens at this point.
9:02 Yeah… Noah…
Interesting stuff. How would this go with say NTPs, who are more thing oriented by default per their Ti? Or maybe it's not the same thing? Horrible pun intended.
I know I have ni, but I cannot for the life of figure out if I’m a decider or an observer.
Omg I watch gmm and I have also seen this 'Saturday' vlog they did and I did not realise this!!!!! COOOLLL hahahhaha nice to know their types too
Think I’m more weird about people so a Decider. For example during lockdown I’ve been looking out of my window a lot to watch nature (we have a big tree full of lots of birds and overlook the beach also) however if I see my neighbours about I will skulk behind the curtains so they don’t see me, but if I notice them do anything odd I’ll tell my family. And then keep looking out the window. 😂 I sound like such a creep!
Hey, could you give us your thoughts DEFAULT behaviour vs FACADE behaviour?
I mean DEFAULT as people who are not that self aware, who can be typed as above.
I mean FACADE as those who are a lot more in control. They don't seem to appear in your videos, but surely they exist.
After all it's about balance, and somepeople should master these cognitive skills.
and the Ejs? which is the difference with the IPs?
Yeah i know both talk about people but which is the difference about IPs and EJs People Talk
If Link was an EJ he would ask Rett to go outside and film him looking out the window because he "couldn't see himself"
EJs: they they they
IPs: me me me
as far as i understand
@@dikdik9309 but the EJs doesn't has Demon Identity Issues? doesm't they compare themselves to the tribe?
it’s a difference in what the source of the worry is. using OPs system, the IP is worried that the tribe is out to get them, hence the paranoia about being seen, whereas the EJ would be worried about them self. they’re fine with the neighbour, they talk to him every morning when taking the bins out, he’s cool, but they worry about how they stack up maybe. idk that’s my best attempt but i’m a P im p sure so i really don’t understand how Je people work.
The saviors are obvious. For an EJ, the relationship with the neighbour, for instance, is obvious, it's easy, it's comfortable. What they struggle with is the identity issues. For an IP, the identity is obvious and the struggle is the relationship with other people.
Starring Sam Rockwell and Danny McBride
Im an ISTP and I think im starting to do both.
OMG, I just went to CZcams Ted Talks, and here are the suggested topics 1 and 7:
1) "The hidden history found in your teeth",
7) "How not to take things personally".
On this topic of end-of-world scenarios, do you guys watch any videos by Randall Carlson or Graham Hancock about the Younger Dryas Impact Event around 12900 years ago - would be interesting if you compared their personalities. Good footage from the Joe Rogan podcasts! :)
Found this compilation someone did, might as well have called "Rhett being a single observer for 9 minutes straight"
czcams.com/video/Vn6yz9anGQA/video.html
I am both Rhett and Link in this scenerio
Omg they’re so funny 😂....
Rhett is right though 🤨
I am weird about people AND things
things i can fix people are broken i have no chance with them
This is beyond funny seen through this lens
How do you know if someone is CS/P or CP/S ?? Is there an easy way to tell ?
I think this two questions will help you:
What is the priority for this person: preserving a lot of energy and then go use it when necessary (S>P) or spending a lot of energy and then go to rest when necessary?
How the person process information first: reflecting alone (S) or gathering other people's perspective (P)?
@@josehenriquefs888 ohh thank you, it makes sense :) looking at how the person is processing information first might be useful to begin with!
Hey did you guys here about that crazy *Noah* guy & his loony family who live down the street?
He actually built this huge a** boat, I think he called it an _“ark,”_ & he keeps _stuffing animals in it!_
Saying stuff like, _”the sky is gonna start crying & you’re all gonna drown,”_ or some other kooky sh*t like that.
Oh boy! Time to see what ive been doing wrong again lol! >;)
we NFP's are absolute chaos or pure grace there's no in between it's madness hahahha
Or you could just take a shower and look out window and think, "gonna be a real nice day."
Even the Rhett "thing" guy was still tripping on his relationship to the other people.
I'll be the one selling the leashes ;)
Wtf lol this. Its great.
Literally a discussion with my husband at a red light:
Him: messing with his radio trying to get it to do with he wants. Keeps turning the volume louder and quieter.
Me: would you cut that out that guy driving the car next to us keeps looking over here I hate when other people can hear our music!
Him: I don’t care I can’t get this damn thing to work right!
Me: it’s working fine just leave it alone!
🤦🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
They are funny. Who are those two guys in the video?
That toilet was plugged into the wall. What's happening here.
So funny
Thats a nice dress; ( Se dominant )
Enfp's care more about things, than people, aye?
Riiiiiiight.......
*SURE THING PAL*
😂 (palm face)
Have you guys typed Cole Sprouse? Do identical twins have the same type? I think he’s INFJ. So curious!
My father and uncle are identical twins, and my uncle is ENTP Ne/Ti, my father's ESFJ Fe/Si.
IJ here weird about people ...aand things?? Dun dun dun
me waving and smiling at the neighbor ( hey fuckwit )
If this isn't me and my bro
Here: czcams.com/video/1s6GZTd4LDY/video.html
That's a video within which, at 10:50+, Echo Charles *blatantly* says that Jocko is more intense about Thing's, over People (rank wise).
What does *that* mean?
My IJ friends: damn I fucked up again.
Me, an IP: I know I fucked up. Please don’t yell at me.
Huh. I would have thought Rhett was ENTP.
2:29 you're welcome ;D