Me too. I’m an ENFP aspiring writer and Te people are so much easier for me to write than Ti people. Fi? Perfect sense to me. Te people? Write about people with a buried Fi emotional side, done. Even Fe makes sense, since I’m someone with an Fe/Se dad and I know how Fe looks in a Savior state. Ti? What the heck? Is that? Lucky for me, my current protagonist is an ENTP, and she is very much enjoying making my life absolute torture as I try to figure out who in the world she is. I spend so much time just tearing through my mind, trying to learn how in the world it looks for her to be excited, angry, emotional, vulnerable… if she doesn’t have Fi and she doesn’t naturally use Fe, where are her emotions? Fe or Ti? What is personal to her? What motivates her? What does she even want? I spent months trying to interpret Ti through an Fi lens and it didn’t work, so I had to spend even more months researching into Ti and trying to get a handle on how it functions. The idea of logic being personal is really hard for me to fully grasp. I grasp it a little bit at this point, and I’m trying every day to understand it more. If anything, I’m grateful for this ENTP character, because she isn’t even real and yet she’s already encouraging me to figure out more about people and their perspectives.
@@jimclayson Woahhhh. As an ENFP, I see how that might happen, because there’s this huge barrier between how Fi and Ti types feel emotions and make decisions. I find that I always used to tend to assume Ti people were feeling something 24/7, and if they weren’t, they were suppressing it or unaware of it. The more I’ve listened to Ti people talk about it, Thinkers are capable of just… thinking. Like, emotions are a thing, but they exist on their own, and they’re not very important in the grand scheme of things. It’s not really an awareness game sometimes; it’s more so that Fi people tend to base more of their lives on emotions, and Ti people just don’t. Obviously, I find that crazy… because I haven’t mastered the art of leaving my emotions out of things. Lol. Y’all are so cool. 🤩 I see why the projected insecurities would happen too. Ne most definitely tries to jump into other people’s heads and scope out their perspectives, and when the Fi is insecure, there’s ample room for it to pin things on people. There are certain areas I do that in, and I’m really trying to break that habit. It’s really cool that you can look at your past relationship and pick out exactly how the ENFP saw past you as a person. I think understanding typology is really important, at least in my life, because I know there are quite a few people in my life I would be at a loss for understanding if not for cognitive functions. Not to mention they help me avoid all my defaults and try to be 2% better of a person, hahaha. Thank you for sharing your story!!
@@jimclayson Don’t apologize for the late return!! Seeing your reply pop up and suddenly remembering this thread was nice. I don’t have much experience with romance, but I do have experience with the toxic people and the trauma that can come from them. I’m so sorry that you had to encounter one of my type. I admire you so much for who you are after that encounter. I can relate to the struggle with anger. For me personally, anger is this built-in defense mechanism to battle hurt and fear when it comes to the individuals who cause those feelings. But then that anger keeps coming, long after the threat is gone. I have a few people I’m still trying to get over anger with and it’s unbelievably rough. My respect goes out to you and your recovery- you’re such a strong individual. Good on you for not giving that up for anyone!!! Abusers and toxic individuals can screw off. Whether or not you find forgiveness- which again, I massively respect you for looking for- I hope that you’re able to live peacefully. I wish you the best. Your story is empowering, so thanks again for sharing it.
In a way, it seems that the introverted function is the shit you take personally. And the extroverted function is the stuff you don't give a shit about.
Yeah I don’t like being patronized, particularly if I think it’s a good idea that needs some development (which is probably why I’m sharing it with a Te who can help me figure out the impractical parts)
As a Savior Ti, I gotta say...one of my favorite things about Dave and Shan is watching them think and process in real time ( Te ). It's so entertaining and fun to see and something I WISH I could do more often!
As a Savior Fe, maybe I can help y'all understand Kathy's behavior a bit better. Folks like us spend our lives dedicated to the care and security of others. Rarely do we "burden" friends and family with our problems. Our hardships best be pretty damn serious for us to consider seeking reassurance. In essence, the teacher becomes the student in times of trouble. The support we provide with such ease is quite difficult for Savior Fe's to solicit. "We don't want to be.a burden." But when confronted with a diagnosis like cancer, Savior Fe's find that we've expended so much effort on building resiliency in others that we neglected to do so in ourselves, hence Kathy's outburst in the hospital. She had exhausted her emotional bandwidth and was desperately searching for someone to restore it. I imagine that she must have felt a great deal of despair and loneliness in that moment, particularly as an Fe. I certainly would.
okay this is a good explanation. thank u. i bet she was fed up how the hospital staff or whatever half ass-edly tried to reassure her, i dont blame her one bit.
Loved this analysis. Fe/Te are external and performative. Ti/Fi are internal and personal. Makes so much sense of how we relate to the world and how different types can misunderstand the thoughts and emotions of others.
Te users would probably call their schtick an “exchange of ideas” or whatever. Putting whatever ideas they have into the open and going along with whatever works. Fe, then, is just an exchange of feelings, like an emotional call and response. We express whatever feelings we have in the moment, see how the people around us respond, and go along with whatever takes the group dynamic in a positive direction. But as an INFJ with savior Ti, I guess I sometimes see Te similarly to how Dave and Shan see Fe. I can recognize when people are using reasoning that doesn’t sound like their own, and to me it can come across as not genuine or thought out, as if they’re just parroting someone else.
Your comment proving again why INFJs are the MOST SENSIBLE beings. It's like understanding the other person via their own POV as opposed to trying to understand them from my own viewpoint. Same reason why those with Te in their function stack could "never" be good shrinks or any "real" psychology for that matter. LOL. They don't understand the expression "try putting yourself in someone else's shoes". As an Fe user, I could clearly see through their Te condescension.
as an INFP, i couldn't imagine having Ti and having all your reasons really well thought out. it sounds so exhausting, so i admire you guys for fulfilling that role. it feeds my Te. i repeat what you do as long as i like it and it works out for people
Fe was never trying to be genuine or self-expressive, they are only doing it for the tribe, so what "works" is what matters the most, as a feature of expediency. The Introverted functions are not at all about expediency or quickness, they are more contemplative and deep and require lots of time to work on- something that the tribe on the march- possibly on a wild hunting expedition- doesnt have much of.
I have Fi and I am nothing like Dave. Fi is definitely not Dave's dominant function because ISFPs and INFPs don't treat ENFPs and ESFJs like this. He is a bully. ISFPs and INFPs care about others and dislike bully behaveior.
@@sandradibiaso7316 They're currently trying to explain something. You're talking to his Te right now, not his Fi. He has Fi-Te as a double decider, so it's easy for him to jump back and forth between them (because his Fi and Te are only his middle functions). If you have a hard time understanding that people can do this, then it's likely because you yourself is a single decider (feeling/thinking as the first and last function). Also, where does this Fi doms can't be a bully come from anyways? Your ultimate savior is literally what you want/like/value/desire, and your ultimate demon is everyone else's reasons. Self above tribe... Like, come on, they can be the biggest bullies on the planet. Does this mean they will like other bullies? No, but they themselves can be a bully.
Something I can appreciate about Fe users, as an Fi/Te user, is how quickly they can move on from emotional turbulence. Once the Fe-dramatics are over and all the feeling has been expressed, they move on. I on the other hand can let my turbulent emotions fester inside of me until they rot me from the inside out, lol. Also, poor Kathy. What she really needed was someone to hold her hand and cry with her.
You are right. Having fe once an emotion is expressed it is gone, there is no ownership of it. Which can feel like a blessing and a curse, it feels like you never really have any emotions of your own & sometimes can get caught in logic loops like a fly in honey circling around. Te can often break that and I find that with fe can shift the emotional experience of others so it’s truly a dynamic interplay.
"how quickly they can move on from emotional turbulence" - This seems only true to me when talking about their own emotions. I can have an outburst of some sort and recover from it 30 seconds later. However when there is an emotional turbulence in other people I sometimes take some hours to fully cool down. Gotta be sure there's nothing hidden in other people and everything is okay again. This seems to be especially the case when other people that do not show their emotions a lot got angry. I want to be sure there's no bad emotion left.
Haha I’m the same way! I’m the first one to acknowledge if my ideas are dumb and just like Dan said, I’ve never been afraid of looking dumb because I know I’m not actually dumb. But I have Fe friends who try to reassure me when I say these things and I’m like “y’all, it’s literally fine” 😂
@@august_19 Or Fe wants you to curate your outward emotional experience to what is appropriate for everyone regardless of how you as an individual feel. Especially if you are a man. To which I say we insist we are individuals and our emotions are appropriate because they are real. IDK... who wants the soapbox next?
@@jasoncox5505 As an Fe savior, we want both. It's appropriateness, but not regardless of how you as an individual feel. How you as an individual feel helps predicate what is appropriate. It is an awareness and gravity of the collection of our values and interaction of how we all feel and what is emotionally healthy and beneficial for individuals and possibly the group dynamic as well. That's Fe. And a similarity can be drawn to the goal-orientation of Te. Fe is goal oriented with regard to emotional and psychological health and morality. (What is right/appropriate/beneficial.)
I guess that's the reason I can easily laugh at my Te and don't get angry when someone calls me dumb or says "how come you don't know this" I'm like 🤷♀️ tell me the answer 😂
Hello, Dave & Shan... It fascinates me the lengths you have to go through to understand other people. It really is like we speak different languages. I'm glad you're doing it. (For me, Fe is just common sense and human decency. My Te is certainly lacking though.) Now I understand the way Te/Fi's think a little better. Thanks guys. You're on the right track. This video has the approval of this Fe savior. This is very valuable information.
It's so strange watching Te/Fi users say that Fe is foreign to them. I didn't realize the disconnect was that wide. I've also noted that TE users don't seem to be married/attached to their ideas vs Ti users.
RIGHT it’s like your crazy not me what I do is normal and easy. Fi what is that??? so foreign to me. But I suppose what you could learn and take from this is as a ti user your ideas don’t matter as much as you think/believe they do
Makes so much sense. I’ve wondered so many times “why did I say that, why did I do that, that was silly, over the top, cheesy, or overly serious” etc. Yes, Fe is what works in the moment for regulating human interactions, it’s not necessarily how I feel in that moment. It also explains why I have so many problems if I try to base my identity on Fe, it’s a nightmare, it’s for ever shifting depending on external circumstances, so I can never be sure who the hell I am. my identity is Ni-Ti, and that is such a different beast from the goody two shoes Fe I show the world. I usually have to be very tired or not give a damn to drop the Fe and let me tell you, that is like going from Disneyland to a wasteland of cold hard truths. some of my friends are scared to this day 🤷🏻♀️😜 (there you go, some emojis cause it’s early in the morning and my Fe is in pretty good shape heh)
@@fcolucero8867 they both contain two vertical lines. Remove all the vertical lines and you have two elevens. I bet you didn't think of that did you? being this smart is truly a burden. My iq is super high but I do such dumb stuff lol. And I sad all the time so you don't have to be jealous of me😳 I scored 79 on my iq test. It's not the highest in the world but it's only one mark short of a distinction, which is still wayyy above average. I feel like people don't understand me because I'm always thinking deep thoughts. If I could just be normal I would😔
My wife literally said the other day, "Can you stop talking to me and the kids like we're babies?" And I already knew what she was talking about with over doing it with the niceties. "She said why do you do that?" Well, I try to soften my tone because my raw thoughts come off very harsh. The smiles and bubbley talk is all smoke screen i guess. Kinda feels like being a T800 terminator that makes cupcakes for everyone.
As an intp I chuckled at this. I know when I'm being overly saccharine to "grease the wheels" on what for me in my past is often unrefined Ti corrections or input.
That's exactly what I told my mother, "Why do you talk to me like to a child?" And really... it was about the package, not message. She's ISFJ, I'm INTJ. I always zone out with those bubbling emotions, just cut to the chase, I got no fcking time bro.
For a moment after reading that babies comment, i was like that's so relatable because people have told me, "can you stop it? You're over simplifying something. We're not stupid." My Fe feels it should over simplify something because of the Ti depth and people might not understand and everyone should understand and not misunderstand but they still somehow do!
I think Kathy Bates is a Te dom (either ESTJ or ENTJ) and the clip at the begging she goes from barking Te commands to flipping to say "none of these people understand what this is - what this means to me" which is a perfect example of Fi... so not sure where you guys are getting Fe from here.
YES! I don’t do the flowers annoying music. But, I often get accused of being ‘fake’ because I meet the emotional energy in the room and then take everyone emotionally where they need to go in order to get things done. It’s not ME it’s just what I perceive the tribe needs
Precisely, however, I find the "xoxo" or as they say "flowery" nonsense completely unrelatable. As an FE, myself, I would never be so phony. INTJs will use emojis in inappropriate contexts believing "this is what people do, so I guess this is socially acceptable" which is precious, of course, but completely prehistoric thinking.
I notice that I have to use more of my Fe, to better express my Ti. The NiFe(which are supposed to be my saviors) annoys me. It seem Fe can be more palatable when introducing my Ti perspectives.
I really wish that I'm good at giving out comment like this so people could stop hating me but as lead Ti this is so hard and awkward to do. Try imagine Bill Gates or Simon Cowell saying something like this, that's me.
@@VisibleMRJ Haha, I've always considered giving (and enjoying giving) genuine compliments one of my strengths! Lead Fi, INFP. Guess it makes sense, if I Fi-like something it's the most natural thing in the world to me to declare that. I also leave a lot of gentle/constructive criticism in comments too, now that I think about it that's definitely me running my lead Fi program and not even noticing! Thanks for the insight haha
@@VisibleMRJ So as someone with lower fe are you afraid of being in a situation where someone starts crying or something, maybe they're pet died or smth because you don't know how you'll be able to handle the situation. Like if someone would come crying to you, you wouldn't know what you're supposed to do? And do you feel more comfortable solving the actual problem that's bothering them or is that just a Te thing? Sorry if it's a weird question but I'm trying to type myself and stuff soo yeah I need this for my self typing research
@@egg9605 yes but for me its less about the crying person but more about what the tribe think of me. I want to look to the tribe like the person who cares about a crying person. I might or might not care about the person but if I don't know how to show to the tribe that I care about a crying person then they are definitely going to hate me for it. A crying person is not my problem but people hating me because they think that I didn't care about a sad person is definitely my problem.
@@VisibleMRJ Damn... Interesting. In that situation, what the tribe think about me wouldn't even cross my mind for one second, so your point of view is kinda mind boggling to me. What I would think about first is why that person is crying, and then I would put myself in their shoes. If that happened to me, how would I feel, and what would I want other people do to comfort me? I usually ended up solving their problem, but I can also give emotional support. However, what can also happen is, I think that person's reason for crying is stupid, like "I wouldn't even be sad if that happened to me, the fck are you crying for?" If that happened, I could even feel comfortable laughing at that crying person, as cruel as that may sound. And then sometimes, I found out that my assessment of why they cried at the beginning was actually off. Maybe their parents died recently, and I would feel really bad about it, even more so about laughing at them earlier, which basically me putting salt in their wounds. I guess that's Fi? Like, I would put myself as the final arbiter of feeling in that sense. Like all feelings and values must go through me first, which is really selfish. Can anyone tell me? Thanks for reading, btw. It is really long.
"But your reputation just got ruined" - I know and I don't care! Then it turns out the reputation did not get ruined as people accepted the fact that sometimes people can get emotionally explosive ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@PolskaHerobrine Oh i know... just letting the Fe users know... if you shout in Fi presence...especially facing them... they will take it as being shouted at... and personal.
NiTe user here, still having a hard time understanding and getting along with Fe users that get out of control. They can be so warm and accommodating of other people, but I've seen the other side where they get angry and say whatever they want to people. My tendencies have been to stay awayyyyy from them because I just can't take the chaos and I misinterpret their intentions. I have so many Fe users around me so just trying to keep things going until I better understand them later on!
As a Fe user, I was a little confused at the difference between Fe and Fi at a certain point in the video. When a person emotionally explodes like that, they're only taking their feelings into consideration and they're ignoring that they're creating an uncomfortable environment for others. So the lady was doing Fi right? I'm pretty sure Fe is one of my main functions, and hurting a person's feelings (even if i hate them) is pretty much my worst nightmare.
I think this is the weakness of oversimplifying the model down to everybody only using 4 out of the 8 functions. For example, I'm an NeTi user. I can flip to Ni and Te without too much drama. Staying with the stuff in the video: I like overcomplicating things for fun (Ti) and that's my main thinking form, sure, but I can do quickfire lowest-common-denominator executable stuff (Te) no problem, and if you call me an idiot for it I'll mostly just shrug. I think that's what the Fe-saviours are doing with their sudden flips from tribe pleasing to self-centeredness. On the other hand, whilst I find Fe and Si consistently frustrating growth areas, Fi and Se just seem completely other to me. Just have to smile, nod and keep a distance! So perhaps it makes sense that Fe alienates you somewhat?
I've also learned the hard way to be careful with how much I reveal to SFJs because it will come back to bite me in the ass if I'm not careful. Plus I don't have the energy or desire to go around doing a bunch of damage control on my reputation. Protect your Fi because it can be used as ammunition in gossip. I'm not Te nor Ni front stack either. For me, it's more the disrespect of Ti and lack of Ne that gets to me. I wouldn't say I misunderstand their intentions, but I can sometimes be schmoozed and lulled into a false sense of security by the Fe/Si. Just don't forget, if you are not part of their inner circle whom they will fiercely protect, like their child, they might throw you under the bus to protect their inner circle's interests. If you are genuinely super close to them, you can just expect them to explode and say mean things occasionally, only to pretend like it never happened the next day. Just try to keep the conversation light and superficial so you don't give away too much, and if possible, turn the conversation towards them. Fe doms are used to focusing so much on how other people feel anyway, they are sometimes ignoring their own feelings and will likely appreciate the Fe gesture of asking them how they're doing or getting a break from taking care of others. Then that gets you off the hook from having to talk about yourself!
@@heatherbryant4197 it’s particularly the SFJ types that I’m more so talking about as well. NFJ types can get past you because they can better “understand” people and see how people change over time. Although, I have seen them backlash as well due to their Fe and which tribe they want to really belong to. It’s the ESFJ types that I’ve seen become much more tribal and when they see people a certain way, it’s very hard for them to change their perspectives. If they feel betrayal, they will very much go out of their way in changing who they defend and make it their mission to help their people at any cost.
@@aidadenisa8553 No that's definitely Fe. Esfjs are the very definition of the word Karen and I've seen some immature Enfjs lose control and rage publicly as well. Enfj rage is much more scary because of their Se.
As a Fe-dom user I feel misunderstood here. I don't really get your take on Fe in this video. I'd love to have more video's on Extraverted Feeling from you two because I do really enjoy your content. In general, I'd say there is little ENFJ-content on CZcams and there aren't many in-depth-video's. There is logic behind our actions, emotional logic. Calling it erratic and stupid behaviour (in a joking-manner) doesn't really describe what's actually is going on, a bit more depth than these words would have been nice. I think it's a very overlooked function & under appreciated as well.
Fi sharing their authentic views ;) It makes sense though. Fe seems to be about channeling emotions from everyone around you. For high-Fe users, emotions aren’t a personal expression of identity. They are a means of interacting with the world. Just like they were saying with Ti users being concerned with being smart. It is possessed by them. Te users USE thinking as a tool, Ti users OWN their thinking.
Fellow ENFJ here. I get your points, although I must say this video is starting to show a lot more understanding than they had before. They'll get there. To get your fix, I'd recommend Denzel Mensah, Meghan LaVota and several in-depth videos like '7 ENFJs', the personal development video by PersonalityHacker and CS Joseph's take on our type. In the meantime, I agree that the amount of content about our type is shockingly low. Maybe we're just the most-adjusted of all types? ;) ;) (not serious, just in case a Ti-dom gets on my case)
ENFP would have to agree! There is a reason for everything! It’s also highly enjoyable to see Dave and Shan being themselves authentically. I have been becoming more interested in getting a higher perspective on all types and functions because every type and it’s inner quirks fits perfectly into the whole of humanity. It’s all about context you know?
People can use a function to be fake and they can use it to be real. It's up to the people, it's not a constant or a definite thing that a person with Fe will use it in ways they don't believe in, and it's not a constant or a definite thing that a person with Te will use it in ways they don't believe in. Maintaining that integrity is an art.
Fake isn’t exactly the right word... more like, a non-attachment. Te = this expression of ideas is nothing personal, it belongs to the tribe. Fe = this expression of values is nothing personal, it belongs to the tribe.
But then... how do people who are putting out ideas(or a feeling) they personally do not believe in feel authentic and ok with suggesting something? I'm guessing that is a super Fi question on my part... but I would struggle to suggest to someone else an idea that I wasn't sure would work for them...or express a feeling that I didn't think would "match" the social situation...
@@dday9433 I am struggling to. I think there maybe a coin in OP parlance. Genuine vs Fake for De... Mine is genuine... Te... INTJ... my system or idea that I communicate will be as complicated as necessary to fit the system. No more no less. Either you get it or not. They are saying they dumb down the idea so everyone can really understand it. And that isn't necessarily the best version for everyone. No wonder I find some OP content just insufficient. I wonder if that would extend to Introverted and Observing/perceiving functions as well. Or I say my idea has to work for everyone they say everyone has to understand it. If it is a coin, I don't like genuine vs fake but best I got without serious reflection time.
@@dday9433 Hello, Fe savior here (INFJ). I want to give you some insight into Fe if I can. What do you mean putting out ideas they don't believe in? Why would someone do that? Can you give some context? Edit: As I read some of these replies and have thought more about it, I believe that was more of a Te question.
I think you guys should do these more in coins; so fe-ti and te-fi, because now its really hard to apply unless you're te or fe dominant. It would make more sense to do what you did fe and te and than also contrast it with say ti-fe and te-fi. This is because I dont think you could apply the fe thing to ti dominants or the te stuff to fi dominants. Unless you meant this for dominant types only of course
By focusing on the most extreme example of "FE", makes it easier to identify for people who do not have "FE "as their dominant function. That's why they use the most extreme example, so it will be easier to identify. Unfortunately, the fact that they are an INTJ and an ENTJ, means they choose poor examples. They will never catch this.
Savior Fe here and I hate my emotions. Being a male with likely feminine external functions is a hard thing in this world. People can easily tell by my face I’m emotional but I feel the need to dam it up because “men don’t cry”. The tribe proceeds to keep asking what’s wrong then the dam bursts and out come the emotions. I can handle stressful situations but when I’m in the moment, all I think about is the impact on the people. Kudos to those who have mastered their lead Fe.
Strange, I'm an ENFJ and my ex was ESTJ and we displayed these traits in pretty much the opposite way that you're describing them. Her: when she didn't get her way she was 100% the emotional outburst Karen type, she was the one who was obsessed with having the Christmas decorations up and decorating the house cute... Me: in our arguments, I was the calm, thoughtful one who pointed out the flaws in her logic (in careful, sensitive ENFJ style of course), and I don't do the baby talk, mushy stuff, at least not in public. I think mature Fe users would be mortified to do the karen thing and make the people around them super uncomfortable like that. Now a Te user with Fe low on the stack... that seems perfectly logical that they would unleash the rage on people in a high stress situation or when they are judging that everyone is being incompetent.
ding ding ding, what would this be, a Ti user thinking thru a half baked Te tangent? idk, but this just goes to show this theory rocks so easily when the wind blows LOL i swear i almost hate how everything seems to apply to everything, ur explanation seems to bare more weight, like u said, it seems like someone with demon Fe or something is gonna snap and have a temper tantrum in public, not giving a shit if they Fe embarrass themselves and make others judge and hate them
This video is super super underrated. After seeing it I finally finally have a good Ni understanding of Fe. It matches everything my Fe dom wife says and acts like. She thinks she mistyped as an esfj, but with this, I am even more sure she definitely is
I laughed so laud at the Karen comparison. On a more serious note: very interesting view on Fe! And I relate a lot to this Te/Ti difference, mostly in discussions with Ti people. - ISFP
its my favorite because i can share it and know tribe values it. its my favorite because its their favorite and the chemicals literally go along with it. i have my Ti favorites but i don't wanna share those that much because for it to be understood by tribe member I have to be able to share the details of why its MY favorite, and all the reasons in the case of Ti (not just that i Fi like it which works for Fe's), and then there's of course the fears of being confusing or misunderstood and not Fe valued for my identity and ideas (Ne-Ti self), which obviously hurts
I have Fe as my demon and I do share some of your confusion. If ever act like an asshole to somebody, I will feel terrible (doesn't stop me though). Even when I'm pissed off, I will try to avoid screaming in their faces. Even if I do, I have to apologize immediately. So seeing a very aggressive Fe, or even just an Fi, who doesn't seem to realize that other people have emotions too, it mystifies me. Like, how can you live with that? Probably have something do with the gender energy. I likely have feminine Fe, so it's less pushy and more movable, so it's far more sensitive to the outside vibe. AND it's a demon on top of that, so hurting somebody is like a deep-seated fear.
Idk, man, but Te saviours supposedly have Fe as the lower stack so they care/notice the tribe ethics of/fitting in reputation the least I think. They have different sense of identity reinforced with their 4th stack of Fi (introverted function hence irrational). They focus more on getting things done (Te dominant). Cmiiw.
Interesting video, but as an ENFJ I have something to say... We might act all silly-bubbly like you said but it's not just because it's what would be more acceptable for everyone or because 'it works'... From my perspective and from many ENFJs I know, it mostly comes from a place of authenticity within us. We might be aware that we are acting a bit 'too happy' to others, but we enjoy being that way - we are utterly optimistic =) And yeah, Fe users might get emotional bursts every once in a while, but I am not sure if that is a product of Fe-dom or a more complex effect from a combination of different functions in the stack. For example I tend to get frustrated when I must explain my decisions logically to someone and I find it hard because they were made mostly on an emotional (Fe) or intuitive (Ni) basis. So that's Fe and Ni getting in the way of my poor inferior Ti who won't have a chance lol. Anyway, sometimes I just 'freeze', but other times I get angry like that, but I wonder if when Fe users burst like that it would be because we are just more intense in our feelings? Hmm, food for thought anyway... but it would be interesting to explore this in more depth comparing how different Fe users do that, if it really has to do with the function by itself or with a more specific stack combination. Anywa always great to watch and learn from your content and your discussions!
This has indisputably been the most clarifying video/convo/whatever I've seen about Te/Fe. While I've known for a long time I must be Fi/Te this has further cemented that for me.
omg thank you for explaining this. As a heavy Ti user I can't stand it when people throw out dumb ideas but at least I can appreciate where they are coming from now.
INFJ, Been loving your videos and trying to diversify my understanding of cognitive functions. I have Fe, know I do, the one thing that I have not heard spoken of here is the feminine and masculine. Being a 6'3" 250lb guy I simply have to keep my Fe in check. The other thing about my personality that IDGAF about is absolutely hating social hierarchy so freaking much that I haven't cared about reputation. Having matured a lot I go through the motions now in not giving others power in the form of my weakness. I have seen the fruits of this bounty, not showing my Fe can grind those who rely upon others weakness for inner strength down to a pulp.
Amazing !!!how in the world you guys keep up with always going in reverse 😱 the shadows are the hardest to see because no one cares is not automatic programming or first choice. It’s just mind blowing 📢
Dominant Thinkers stretching themselves to process feelings; those of others & their own. When you stay up in your head all the time & discount your heart you're not in balance. Bring both into alignment.
Btw... We were in this workshop and we were preparing and editing a document in real time and whenever i had an idea i had to request everyone to shut up and write it down then ask them if it made sense as i could not think and at the same time talk like them.. I was wondering if that was my Ti in play as i am an INTP
OMG thats so me telling people your not dumb! . Last week I had this zoom meeting with like 20 people and we where all brain storming on that we could do to do something nice for a couple people that are affected with all the covid stuff and I was sharing my Idea and it was really heard for me because it was traded just like everyone elses Idea and on the spectrum it really was just about average but I still feeled very vulnerable because I had shard my ti. 😅😂
Hey can you do a comparison between te systems and si systems (yeeah is probably obvious but soo confusing for me a lot of people seem to be describing si when talking about te i mean i don't know 😅)
Sure glad this video was over 5 minutes. That gives me a bit more time to gain enough insight to at least get by. I think by this logic, Fe types should be the best and most rare in today's society, which overemphasizes "logical thinking" (as defined by the subjective culture of today's society anyway). For communication to hold any value in this day and age it ought to be concise and rational. It is a masculine style of mental, action-oriented "intelligence" which naturally lacks emotion, because emotional intelligence is feminine in nature. Therefore the Fe types should be venerated as the most brave, for openly communicating emotions despite also possessing the the mental intelligence that makes them aware that they "look crazy". Legendary philosophers and Christian apostles, among others, seem to encourage us to be as children, reacting in purity from our hearts in order to broaden our intellectual horizons and even gain intimate understanding of the Divine. I am not negatively insinuating that Fe's are emotionally immature, but suggesting the opposite. They set the true example for how we ought to embrace our emotional selves, because that expression is also highly intelligent. A healthy child freely and clearly expresses their emotions. But a healthy adult seems to feel threatened by them. They attempt to shut them down in favor of conforming to a completely illusive idea that limiting their emotions equates to thinking objectively and being smart. Emotions are *neutral*. Happiness is an emotion. Anger is an emotion. Jealousy is an emotion. Excitement is an emotion. None should be shunned and none should be honored. If emotions are frowned upon, that seems to be a huge result of brainwashing. ("Don't be so sensitive/ don't act so emotional. Use your brain". If anyone's ever told you that, you could argue that those don't make inherent sense, as you can *and should* have emotions and use them by acting on them with purpose or hardly at all. Either way you are still an emotional human. And "using your brain" involves using your emotions to communicate a message. This *is* a smart way of exploiting your own system to your advantage. Fe according to what I've gathered from your videos, denotes using emotions as an extremely effective catalyst, devisive tool, charm, and other means of intelligent communication to clearly obtain a goal that is intuitive for the recipient to read and understand. From that point the recipient can either instantly become an asset, a liability, or a pawn. Fe's could be some badass Slytherins if understood this way. Sorry I went off on a tangent and now I'm too lazy to proofread this.
Omggg I am so bad at asking dumb questions I already know 🤦♀️ idk why I do that, it annoys me but I guess you have to otherwise how else do you converse?
Te is compromise everyone is ok with. The tis in the room know there’s a better way but their inner fe doesn’t want to waste time explaining because it may ruffle a feather or two. Not sure about the Fi /Te axis
Te throws reasons out there and Fe throws emotions out there. Because Fe is able to deal with other people's crazy emotions, they expect other people to deal with their emotions too.
YES! We think that other people "get" that we are just ranting for a release. (After all, we would get their ranting, and would probably join in with it!) It always takes me back when I realize someone doesn't "get" it and they just think I'm nuts, or mean, or irrational, or whatever....
@@garritapomodoro6578😉 Ofcourse I Do That Alot But Now After Knowing My 🧠 Wiring I Kinda Take Care Of What Info I Gather And Watch Out not To Analyse Paralysis ( Overload ) The Brain ..... So Yup Only The Healthy Stuff Bit Still In ENFPs Classic BIGGGG DOSAGES.😬
So to know whether you have Te or Fe, it depends on what you fear more, being seen as dumb or being seen as overemotional? Does the “position” matters or affect this, like dominant vs inferior function?
I’ve only just found this channel, and I have no idea which of my functions is the “savior function” as an ENTP, but if this woman was exhibiting Fe, I cannot help you 🤣 I see people explaining what’s going on, but I can’t explain it since it screams Fi+Te to me. I honestly thought this was an ExTJ having a meltdown. If not, then I have no idea what’s going on here.
Ok, that difference can be soooo huge! I am NOT one of the Te's! 😅 This reminds me of how I took part in a game tournament a while ago. With a partner, who I think was some kind of Se/Te type. While preparing, he would ask the tournament organizers questions about the most simple stuff if it wasn't 100% clear. Like, no shame. I was secretly glad that he did, because I wouldn't have asked. I would have been afraid everyone else would think I'm stupid for asking. If anything, maybe I would have tip toed up to my partner in private and be all whispery about it, like: "Hey... This feels like a dumb question, but... Do you know how _xyz_ is supposed to work?"
For what it's worth, people tend to think they suck at the things they're actually really good at. You're probably quite smart and have higher standards for what makes someone intelligent as a result, which might make you underestimate your intelligence relative to others.
They are leaving out the aspect of righteous indignation. As an ENTP I am usually logical but sometimes feel I have the right to display how hurt/angry/scared/upset/etc I am. The immature parts may actually conduct this display as punishment to the others, their discomfort for my pain. Ti won’t step in the way cause it’s like “well, you got a right be pissed”.
this is great! helped me better understand the concept of Te, and also allowed me to see how you, without strong Fe, share your thoughts and insights on those with strong Fe. -INFJ;) ..did ya like my cutest winkie face? doesn’t bother me one way or the other lol!!!;)))) j/k
Thought I'd share my experience here, ok so I'm Savior Ti/Ne (inferior Fe, obviously), and because of I've found myself working in factories and warehouses most of my adult life, doing jobs like production, packing, testing, sorting, etc. Just laboring in general. Even some construction work. And let me tell you, I feel like 90% of my coworkers tend to be Fe and Te doms, mostly sensors, too. I think in this context, the "lowest common denominator" could essentially be this spectrum of the working class, the entry level/unqualified workers and day-laborers. 30 yo and married now, but the communication with my peers doesn't get much easier over time. lol.
As an INTP I actually find myself more confused about my Fe than I was prior to this video, my progressive confusion as you talk about people looking stupid and ruining their reputations over Fe, lol
So when it comes to my ti, im definitely very confident with it on my own. When im with other people i know they probably wont get it, because its gone through ni first. So what i do is try to find the simplest way to explain stuff so everyone could understand the truth and not misinterpret what im saying. It is satisfying getting to that point, because i feel like im only talking or offering a solution when im actually confident in it.
@4:24 ok. Intp, fe last. I resonate here, even though it's a shadow. I go into tantrums when I'm frustrated. Usually at work. After slamming a few things around to signal frustration I go for break and I come back and sometimes my coworkers are looking tme like 'you good?'and I'm like... Yeah? Was there a problem? Oh that? Yeah I'm over it.
@@anoncat6942 coupld you elaborate? It seems Si relates more to memory and past experiences. As a demon it holds me back by me being fearful to do things that have caused me pain in the last. Doesn't seem to be part of my temper tantrum moments. Is Si/Te demon more likely to temper tantrum than Ni/Fe?
It was a game changer for me when I realized vulnerability to some people was sharing their thoughts instead of feelings 🤯
Yesssssss
Me too. I’m an ENFP aspiring writer and Te people are so much easier for me to write than Ti people. Fi? Perfect sense to me. Te people? Write about people with a buried Fi emotional side, done. Even Fe makes sense, since I’m someone with an Fe/Se dad and I know how Fe looks in a Savior state. Ti? What the heck? Is that?
Lucky for me, my current protagonist is an ENTP, and she is very much enjoying making my life absolute torture as I try to figure out who in the world she is. I spend so much time just tearing through my mind, trying to learn how in the world it looks for her to be excited, angry, emotional, vulnerable… if she doesn’t have Fi and she doesn’t naturally use Fe, where are her emotions? Fe or Ti? What is personal to her? What motivates her? What does she even want? I spent months trying to interpret Ti through an Fi lens and it didn’t work, so I had to spend even more months researching into Ti and trying to get a handle on how it functions. The idea of logic being personal is really hard for me to fully grasp. I grasp it a little bit at this point, and I’m trying every day to understand it more. If anything, I’m grateful for this ENTP character, because she isn’t even real and yet she’s already encouraging me to figure out more about people and their perspectives.
@@jimclayson Woahhhh. As an ENFP, I see how that might happen, because there’s this huge barrier between how Fi and Ti types feel emotions and make decisions. I find that I always used to tend to assume Ti people were feeling something 24/7, and if they weren’t, they were suppressing it or unaware of it. The more I’ve listened to Ti people talk about it, Thinkers are capable of just… thinking. Like, emotions are a thing, but they exist on their own, and they’re not very important in the grand scheme of things. It’s not really an awareness game sometimes; it’s more so that Fi people tend to base more of their lives on emotions, and Ti people just don’t.
Obviously, I find that crazy… because I haven’t mastered the art of leaving my emotions out of things. Lol. Y’all are so cool. 🤩
I see why the projected insecurities would happen too. Ne most definitely tries to jump into other people’s heads and scope out their perspectives, and when the Fi is insecure, there’s ample room for it to pin things on people. There are certain areas I do that in, and I’m really trying to break that habit.
It’s really cool that you can look at your past relationship and pick out exactly how the ENFP saw past you as a person. I think understanding typology is really important, at least in my life, because I know there are quite a few people in my life I would be at a loss for understanding if not for cognitive functions. Not to mention they help me avoid all my defaults and try to be 2% better of a person, hahaha.
Thank you for sharing your story!!
Thank you for understanding that! I wish more people did!
@@jimclayson Don’t apologize for the late return!! Seeing your reply pop up and suddenly remembering this thread was nice.
I don’t have much experience with romance, but I do have experience with the toxic people and the trauma that can come from them. I’m so sorry that you had to encounter one of my type.
I admire you so much for who you are after that encounter. I can relate to the struggle with anger. For me personally, anger is this built-in defense mechanism to battle hurt and fear when it comes to the individuals who cause those feelings. But then that anger keeps coming, long after the threat is gone. I have a few people I’m still trying to get over anger with and it’s unbelievably rough. My respect goes out to you and your recovery- you’re such a strong individual. Good on you for not giving that up for anyone!!! Abusers and toxic individuals can screw off.
Whether or not you find forgiveness- which again, I massively respect you for looking for- I hope that you’re able to live peacefully. I wish you the best. Your story is empowering, so thanks again for sharing it.
In a way, it seems that the introverted function is the shit you take personally. And the extroverted function is the stuff you don't give a shit about.
Totally! Amazing
Yeah, except the extroverted functions are the tribes needs, so if you ruin it the tribe will come to get you.
@@egostoic so the only reason you give a shit about it is because you do give a shit about how or what the tribe thinks or feels about it.
@@egostoic Yeah but what I mean is you’re willing to do the most dumb shit with it so the tribe “gets it”
I likes...
All this time talking to Te people I’m thinking “wow they agree with me I must be onto it” and they’re just throwing out “yeah yeahs” ???
oops!
Yeah I don’t like being patronized, particularly if I think it’s a good idea that needs some development (which is probably why I’m sharing it with a Te who can help me figure out the impractical parts)
Yeeep
Yea
Oh def, sometimes I won't bother getting deeper into the topic, and I'll just agree so that we can move on.
As a Savior Ti, I gotta say...one of my favorite things about Dave and Shan is watching them think and process in real time ( Te ). It's so entertaining and fun to see and something I WISH I could do more often!
Dillon u play demon maybe
@@SabrinaXe Sure am! Good observation
@@squeezie49 so it's not te u need to be good at, it's ur demons(play ie Fe and Ne)
Can you tell me what are you guys talking about here, any video about that
@@SalemShami did you find it already or...?
As a Savior Fe, maybe I can help y'all understand Kathy's behavior a bit better. Folks like us spend our lives dedicated to the care and security of others. Rarely do we "burden" friends and family with our problems. Our hardships best be pretty damn serious for us to consider seeking reassurance. In essence, the teacher becomes the student in times of trouble. The support we provide with such ease is quite difficult for Savior Fe's to solicit. "We don't want to be.a burden."
But when confronted with a diagnosis like cancer, Savior Fe's find that we've expended so much effort on building resiliency in others that we neglected to do so in ourselves, hence Kathy's outburst in the hospital. She had exhausted her emotional bandwidth and was desperately searching for someone to restore it. I imagine that she must have felt a great deal of despair and loneliness in that moment, particularly as an Fe. I certainly would.
okay this is a good explanation. thank u. i bet she was fed up how the hospital staff or whatever half ass-edly tried to reassure her, i dont blame her one bit.
Nice work, Scott.
My Fe friends burden me with their stuff all of the time! And then reject my Te solutions because of their own Ti things. Lol.
@@jewellscott LOL I've certainly been that person before (albeit rarely)!
that first part really resonated with me, though i’m not sure of my type yet
Loved this analysis. Fe/Te are external and performative. Ti/Fi are internal and personal. Makes so much sense of how we relate to the world and how different types can misunderstand the thoughts and emotions of others.
Te users would probably call their schtick an “exchange of ideas” or whatever. Putting whatever ideas they have into the open and going along with whatever works. Fe, then, is just an exchange of feelings, like an emotional call and response. We express whatever feelings we have in the moment, see how the people around us respond, and go along with whatever takes the group dynamic in a positive direction. But as an INFJ with savior Ti, I guess I sometimes see Te similarly to how Dave and Shan see Fe. I can recognize when people are using reasoning that doesn’t sound like their own, and to me it can come across as not genuine or thought out, as if they’re just parroting someone else.
Your comment proving again why INFJs are the MOST SENSIBLE beings. It's like understanding the other person via their own POV as opposed to trying to understand them from my own viewpoint. Same reason why those with Te in their function stack could "never" be good shrinks or any "real" psychology for that matter. LOL. They don't understand the expression "try putting yourself in someone else's shoes". As an Fe user, I could clearly see through their Te condescension.
as an INFP, i couldn't imagine having Ti and having all your reasons really well thought out. it sounds so exhausting, so i admire you guys for fulfilling that role. it feeds my Te. i repeat what you do as long as i like it and it works out for people
that would be the most simple definition of te/fe ive ever heard, if its all about the exchanging
Fe was never trying to be genuine or self-expressive, they are only doing it for the tribe, so what "works" is what matters the most, as a feature of expediency. The Introverted functions are not at all about expediency or quickness, they are more contemplative and deep and require lots of time to work on- something that the tribe on the march- possibly on a wild hunting expedition- doesnt have much of.
What you said is so interesting because to me, Fe is a thousand percent fake (I know now that Fe is just different, not necessarily fake)
Dave's Fi and shan's Te were so evident at the end😂
Yesss
I have Fi and I am nothing like Dave. Fi is definitely not Dave's dominant function because ISFPs and INFPs don't treat ENFPs and ESFJs like this. He is a bully. ISFPs and INFPs care about others and dislike bully behaveior.
@@sandradibiaso7316 Isn't he INTJ? NiFi?
@@sandradibiaso7316 They're currently trying to explain something. You're talking to his Te right now, not his Fi. He has Fi-Te as a double decider, so it's easy for him to jump back and forth between them (because his Fi and Te are only his middle functions). If you have a hard time understanding that people can do this, then it's likely because you yourself is a single decider (feeling/thinking as the first and last function).
Also, where does this Fi doms can't be a bully come from anyways? Your ultimate savior is literally what you want/like/value/desire, and your ultimate demon is everyone else's reasons. Self above tribe... Like, come on, they can be the biggest bullies on the planet. Does this mean they will like other bullies? No, but they themselves can be a bully.
Wouldn’t that make both of them Te and Fi?
Something I can appreciate about Fe users, as an Fi/Te user, is how quickly they can move on from emotional turbulence. Once the Fe-dramatics are over and all the feeling has been expressed, they move on. I on the other hand can let my turbulent emotions fester inside of me until they rot me from the inside out, lol.
Also, poor Kathy. What she really needed was someone to hold her hand and cry with her.
You are right. Having fe once an emotion is expressed it is gone, there is no ownership of it. Which can feel like a blessing and a curse, it feels like you never really have any emotions of your own & sometimes can get caught in logic loops like a fly in honey circling around. Te can often break that and I find that with fe can shift the emotional experience of others so it’s truly a dynamic interplay.
"how quickly they can move on from emotional turbulence" - This seems only true to me when talking about their own emotions. I can have an outburst of some sort and recover from it 30 seconds later. However when there is an emotional turbulence in other people I sometimes take some hours to fully cool down. Gotta be sure there's nothing hidden in other people and everything is okay again. This seems to be especially the case when other people that do not show their emotions a lot got angry. I want to be sure there's no bad emotion left.
@@Toni7926 Theres a lot of bad emotions leftover, especially if they are Fi. Fi doesnt 'get out' all of their emotions.
Te drives me crazy. Tell me if my idea is stupid, but nicely. Don't go along with it and leave me thinking I had a good idea. 😩
Haha I’m the same way! I’m the first one to acknowledge if my ideas are dumb and just like Dan said, I’ve never been afraid of looking dumb because I know I’m not actually dumb. But I have Fe friends who try to reassure me when I say these things and I’m like “y’all, it’s literally fine” 😂
But no one listens. People want Te opinions but never listen... it gets tiring.
I could say the same for Fe! Tell me if my emotions are not vibing well. Dont go along with a bad vibe leaving me feeling my emotions are good.
@@august_19 Or Fe wants you to curate your outward emotional experience to what is appropriate for everyone regardless of how you as an individual feel. Especially if you are a man. To which I say we insist we are individuals and our emotions are appropriate because they are real. IDK... who wants the soapbox next?
@@jasoncox5505 As an Fe savior, we want both. It's appropriateness, but not regardless of how you as an individual feel. How you as an individual feel helps predicate what is appropriate. It is an awareness and gravity of the collection of our values and interaction of how we all feel and what is emotionally healthy and beneficial for individuals and possibly the group dynamic as well. That's Fe. And a similarity can be drawn to the goal-orientation of Te. Fe is goal oriented with regard to emotional and psychological health and morality. (What is right/appropriate/beneficial.)
I guess that's the reason I can easily laugh at my Te and don't get angry when someone calls me dumb or says "how come you don't know this" I'm like 🤷♀️ tell me the answer 😂
lol exactly
Honestly, I think that's the mature response whether you're Te or Ti.
Hello, Dave & Shan... It fascinates me the lengths you have to go through to understand other people. It really is like we speak different languages. I'm glad you're doing it. (For me, Fe is just common sense and human decency. My Te is certainly lacking though.) Now I understand the way Te/Fi's think a little better. Thanks guys. You're on the right track. This video has the approval of this Fe savior. This is very valuable information.
Good video, right?
@@oscarl.3563 This was a great video
"Your Ti is very valid"
It is valuable information and I appreciate it, but they're too abrasive for my Fe haha~! (I'm an ESFJ)
@@mysrothnoctua8835 good idea for merch I'd wear this on a tshirt
It's so strange watching Te/Fi users say that Fe is foreign to them. I didn't realize the disconnect was that wide. I've also noted that TE users don't seem to be married/attached to their ideas vs Ti users.
RIGHT it’s like your crazy not me what I do is normal and easy. Fi what is that??? so foreign to me. But I suppose what you could learn and take from this is as a ti user your ideas don’t matter as much as you think/believe they do
I carefully craft my ideas like my life depends on it.
Dammit
It's impossible to internize any of the functions with the opposite attitude. Try it
True.
Actually I think Te and Ti is connected to certain extent
Makes so much sense. I’ve wondered so many times “why did I say that, why did I do that, that was silly, over the top, cheesy, or overly serious” etc. Yes, Fe is what works in the moment for regulating human interactions, it’s not necessarily how I feel in that moment. It also explains why I have so many problems if I try to base my identity on Fe, it’s a nightmare, it’s for ever shifting depending on external circumstances, so I can never be sure who the hell I am. my identity is Ni-Ti, and that is such a different beast from the goody two shoes Fe I show the world. I usually have to be very tired or not give a damn to drop the Fe and let me tell you, that is like going from Disneyland to a wasteland of cold hard truths. some of my friends are scared to this day 🤷🏻♀️😜 (there you go, some emojis cause it’s early in the morning and my Fe is in pretty good shape heh)
I love when Shan goes "you can't say that" 🤣🤣
Me when I realize I have to do taxes 0:38
@UCtFzyuOkL6Y1SeUZEhWG90w Inferior Se. You'll figure it out
@Mr. Dog it does. Basically. Not when you lack Si tho
@mr.dog hahahahah. people don’t like giving away the money they work hard for. That’s what they don’t like about taxes not the process.
that's easy one starts with a F and the other a T. Hurts being this smart
awkwardism
Do you personally identify with this idea ?
ISTP?
although they both end up with an E. You didn't notice that
@@fcolucero8867 they both contain two vertical lines. Remove all the vertical lines and you have two elevens. I bet you didn't think of that did you?
being this smart is truly a burden. My iq is super high but I do such dumb stuff lol. And I sad all the time so you don't have to be jealous of me😳
I scored 79 on my iq test. It's not the highest in the world but it's only one mark short of a distinction, which is still wayyy above average. I feel like people don't understand me because I'm always thinking deep thoughts. If I could just be normal I would😔
My wife literally said the other day, "Can you stop talking to me and the kids like we're babies?" And I already knew what she was talking about with over doing it with the niceties. "She said why do you do that?" Well, I try to soften my tone because my raw thoughts come off very harsh. The smiles and bubbley talk is all smoke screen i guess. Kinda feels like being a T800 terminator that makes cupcakes for everyone.
Haha yes.
As an intp I chuckled at this. I know when I'm being overly saccharine to "grease the wheels" on what for me in my past is often unrefined Ti corrections or input.
That's exactly what I told my mother, "Why do you talk to me like to a child?"
And really... it was about the package, not message.
She's ISFJ, I'm INTJ. I always zone out with those bubbling emotions, just cut to the chase, I got no fcking time bro.
For a moment after reading that babies comment, i was like that's so relatable because people have told me, "can you stop it? You're over simplifying something. We're not stupid."
My Fe feels it should over simplify something because of the Ti depth and people might not understand and everyone should understand and not misunderstand but they still somehow do!
@@fernandesadrienne28 Those are the wrong people then.
I think the best way Shan said in one video was like “what is the reason ur talking like that”
“What are they trying to solve?
The “no, you’re not dumb” and Dave’s response - all too relatable 😂 - intp
I think Kathy Bates is a Te dom (either ESTJ or ENTJ) and the clip at the begging she goes from barking Te commands to flipping to say "none of these people understand what this is - what this means to me" which is a perfect example of Fi... so not sure where you guys are getting Fe from here.
projecting there Demon fi
I'm an ENTP and I am very confused because I know what you Te guys are saying and I know what my Fe says too.
Same bro!!
YES! I don’t do the flowers annoying music. But, I often get accused of being ‘fake’ because I meet the emotional energy in the room and then take everyone emotionally where they need to go in order to get things done. It’s not ME it’s just what I perceive the tribe needs
Precisely, however, I find the "xoxo" or as they say "flowery" nonsense completely unrelatable. As an FE, myself, I would never be so phony. INTJs will use emojis in inappropriate contexts believing "this is what people do, so I guess this is socially acceptable" which is precious, of course, but completely prehistoric thinking.
@@quintuplebanned4267what do you do then
I notice that I have to use more of my Fe, to better express my Ti. The NiFe(which are supposed to be my saviors) annoys me. It seem Fe can be more palatable when introducing my Ti perspectives.
Shannon your softer eye makeup is SO good lately! That shirt also perfectly matches your eyes, loving it!
I really wish that I'm good at giving out comment like this so people could stop hating me but as lead Ti this is so hard and awkward to do. Try imagine Bill Gates or Simon Cowell saying something like this, that's me.
@@VisibleMRJ Haha, I've always considered giving (and enjoying giving) genuine compliments one of my strengths! Lead Fi, INFP. Guess it makes sense, if I Fi-like something it's the most natural thing in the world to me to declare that. I also leave a lot of gentle/constructive criticism in comments too, now that I think about it that's definitely me running my lead Fi program and not even noticing! Thanks for the insight haha
@@VisibleMRJ So as someone with lower fe are you afraid of being in a situation where someone starts crying or something, maybe they're pet died or smth because you don't know how you'll be able to handle the situation. Like if someone would come crying to you, you wouldn't know what you're supposed to do? And do you feel more comfortable solving the actual problem that's bothering them or is that just a Te thing? Sorry if it's a weird question but I'm trying to type myself and stuff soo yeah I need this for my self typing research
@@egg9605 yes but for me its less about the crying person but more about what the tribe think of me. I want to look to the tribe like the person who cares about a crying person. I might or might not care about the person but if I don't know how to show to the tribe that I care about a crying person then they are definitely going to hate me for it. A crying person is not my problem but people hating me because they think that I didn't care about a sad person is definitely my problem.
@@VisibleMRJ Damn... Interesting. In that situation, what the tribe think about me wouldn't even cross my mind for one second, so your point of view is kinda mind boggling to me.
What I would think about first is why that person is crying, and then I would put myself in their shoes. If that happened to me, how would I feel, and what would I want other people do to comfort me? I usually ended up solving their problem, but I can also give emotional support. However, what can also happen is, I think that person's reason for crying is stupid, like "I wouldn't even be sad if that happened to me, the fck are you crying for?" If that happened, I could even feel comfortable laughing at that crying person, as cruel as that may sound. And then sometimes, I found out that my assessment of why they cried at the beginning was actually off. Maybe their parents died recently, and I would feel really bad about it, even more so about laughing at them earlier, which basically me putting salt in their wounds.
I guess that's Fi? Like, I would put myself as the final arbiter of feeling in that sense. Like all feelings and values must go through me first, which is really selfish. Can anyone tell me? Thanks for reading, btw. It is really long.
"But your reputation just got ruined"
- I know and I don't care!
Then it turns out the reputation did not get ruined as people accepted the fact that sometimes people can get emotionally explosive ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Except for silent judgers which are everyone
@Mr. Dog I've watched the video before, what's the reason?
I donno...Fi users can take the Fe explosion personal because to Fi all feelings are personal. Reason for a lot of conflicts with Fe that shouts.
@@grazynawolska8160 But not everyone has Fi ya know, I mean in the top 4 functions
@@PolskaHerobrine Oh i know... just letting the Fe users know... if you shout in Fi presence...especially facing them... they will take it as being shouted at... and personal.
NiTe user here, still having a hard time understanding and getting along with Fe users that get out of control. They can be so warm and accommodating of other people, but I've seen the other side where they get angry and say whatever they want to people. My tendencies have been to stay awayyyyy from them because I just can't take the chaos and I misinterpret their intentions. I have so many Fe users around me so just trying to keep things going until I better understand them later on!
As a Fe user, I was a little confused at the difference between Fe and Fi at a certain point in the video. When a person emotionally explodes like that, they're only taking their feelings into consideration and they're ignoring that they're creating an uncomfortable environment for others. So the lady was doing Fi right?
I'm pretty sure Fe is one of my main functions, and hurting a person's feelings (even if i hate them) is pretty much my worst nightmare.
I think this is the weakness of oversimplifying the model down to everybody only using 4 out of the 8 functions. For example, I'm an NeTi user. I can flip to Ni and Te without too much drama. Staying with the stuff in the video: I like overcomplicating things for fun (Ti) and that's my main thinking form, sure, but I can do quickfire lowest-common-denominator executable stuff (Te) no problem, and if you call me an idiot for it I'll mostly just shrug. I think that's what the Fe-saviours are doing with their sudden flips from tribe pleasing to self-centeredness. On the other hand, whilst I find Fe and Si consistently frustrating growth areas, Fi and Se just seem completely other to me. Just have to smile, nod and keep a distance! So perhaps it makes sense that Fe alienates you somewhat?
I've also learned the hard way to be careful with how much I reveal to SFJs because it will come back to bite me in the ass if I'm not careful. Plus I don't have the energy or desire to go around doing a bunch of damage control on my reputation. Protect your Fi because it can be used as ammunition in gossip. I'm not Te nor Ni front stack either. For me, it's more the disrespect of Ti and lack of Ne that gets to me. I wouldn't say I misunderstand their intentions, but I can sometimes be schmoozed and lulled into a false sense of security by the Fe/Si. Just don't forget, if you are not part of their inner circle whom they will fiercely protect, like their child, they might throw you under the bus to protect their inner circle's interests. If you are genuinely super close to them, you can just expect them to explode and say mean things occasionally, only to pretend like it never happened the next day. Just try to keep the conversation light and superficial so you don't give away too much, and if possible, turn the conversation towards them. Fe doms are used to focusing so much on how other people feel anyway, they are sometimes ignoring their own feelings and will likely appreciate the Fe gesture of asking them how they're doing or getting a break from taking care of others. Then that gets you off the hook from having to talk about yourself!
@@heatherbryant4197 it’s particularly the SFJ types that I’m more so talking about as well. NFJ types can get past you because they can better “understand” people and see how people change over time. Although, I have seen them backlash as well due to their Fe and which tribe they want to really belong to. It’s the ESFJ types that I’ve seen become much more tribal and when they see people a certain way, it’s very hard for them to change their perspectives. If they feel betrayal, they will very much go out of their way in changing who they defend and make it their mission to help their people at any cost.
@@aidadenisa8553 No that's definitely Fe. Esfjs are the very definition of the word Karen and I've seen some immature Enfjs lose control and rage publicly as well. Enfj rage is much more scary because of their Se.
Fe doesn’t have to be flowery. Someone I know is really good at masculine Fe.
I love how honest they are about the human condition
As a Fe-dom user I feel misunderstood here. I don't really get your take on Fe in this video. I'd love to have more video's on Extraverted Feeling from you two because I do really enjoy your content. In general, I'd say there is little ENFJ-content on CZcams and there aren't many in-depth-video's. There is logic behind our actions, emotional logic. Calling it erratic and stupid behaviour (in a joking-manner) doesn't really describe what's actually is going on, a bit more depth than these words would have been nice. I think it's a very overlooked function & under appreciated as well.
Fi sharing their authentic views ;)
It makes sense though. Fe seems to be about channeling emotions from everyone around you.
For high-Fe users, emotions aren’t a personal expression of identity. They are a means of interacting with the world.
Just like they were saying with Ti users being concerned with being smart. It is possessed by them. Te users USE thinking as a tool, Ti users OWN their thinking.
Fellow ENFJ here. I get your points, although I must say this video is starting to show a lot more understanding than they had before. They'll get there.
To get your fix, I'd recommend Denzel Mensah, Meghan LaVota and several in-depth videos like '7 ENFJs', the personal development video by PersonalityHacker and CS Joseph's take on our type.
In the meantime, I agree that the amount of content about our type is shockingly low. Maybe we're just the most-adjusted of all types? ;) ;) (not serious, just in case a Ti-dom gets on my case)
ENFP would have to agree! There is a reason for everything! It’s also highly enjoyable to see Dave and Shan being themselves authentically. I have been becoming more interested in getting a higher perspective on all types and functions because every type and it’s inner quirks fits perfectly into the whole of humanity. It’s all about context you know?
Wait what do you mean by "emotional logic"? Please communicate it as my Ti saviour brain can process it.
@@blakewood2755 I guess the logic is you want to represent the emotions that the tribe is feeling so everyone can feel better. /Fe dom
People can use a function to be fake and they can use it to be real. It's up to the people, it's not a constant or a definite thing that a person with Fe will use it in ways they don't believe in, and it's not a constant or a definite thing that a person with Te will use it in ways they don't believe in.
Maintaining that integrity is an art.
Facts! Very well said.
Fake isn’t exactly the right word... more like, a non-attachment. Te = this expression of ideas is nothing personal, it belongs to the tribe. Fe = this expression of values is nothing personal, it belongs to the tribe.
But then... how do people who are putting out ideas(or a feeling) they personally do not believe in feel authentic and ok with suggesting something? I'm guessing that is a super Fi question on my part... but I would struggle to suggest to someone else an idea that I wasn't sure would work for them...or express a feeling that I didn't think would "match" the social situation...
@@dday9433 I am struggling to. I think there maybe a coin in OP parlance. Genuine vs Fake for De... Mine is genuine... Te... INTJ... my system or idea that I communicate will be as complicated as necessary to fit the system. No more no less. Either you get it or not. They are saying they dumb down the idea so everyone can really understand it. And that isn't necessarily the best version for everyone. No wonder I find some OP content just insufficient. I wonder if that would extend to Introverted and Observing/perceiving functions as well.
Or I say my idea has to work for everyone they say everyone has to understand it. If it is a coin, I don't like genuine vs fake but best I got without serious reflection time.
@@dday9433 Hello, Fe savior here (INFJ). I want to give you some insight into Fe if I can. What do you mean putting out ideas they don't believe in? Why would someone do that? Can you give some context?
Edit: As I read some of these replies and have thought more about it, I believe that was more of a Te question.
I think you guys should do these more in coins; so fe-ti and te-fi, because now its really hard to apply unless you're te or fe dominant. It would make more sense to do what you did fe and te and than also contrast it with say ti-fe and te-fi. This is because I dont think you could apply the fe thing to ti dominants or the te stuff to fi dominants. Unless you meant this for dominant types only of course
By focusing on the most extreme example of "FE", makes it easier to identify for people who do not have "FE "as their dominant function. That's why they use the most extreme example, so it will be easier to identify. Unfortunately, the fact that they are an INTJ and an ENTJ, means they choose poor examples. They will never catch this.
OMG!!!! This is the best video ever 😂😂 I’ve been so confused with these function till now.
Fe and Te in my experience are two different languages, even if both parties speak the same language if you catch my drift
i catch your drift and im surfing on it
Savior Fe here and I hate my emotions. Being a male with likely feminine external functions is a hard thing in this world. People can easily tell by my face I’m emotional but I feel the need to dam it up because “men don’t cry”. The tribe proceeds to keep asking what’s wrong then the dam bursts and out come the emotions. I can handle stressful situations but when I’m in the moment, all I think about is the impact on the people. Kudos to those who have mastered their lead Fe.
actually the more u easy of it coming out it will get u more control of it
My sister is an ESTJ and the woman is Te in this video.
6:58 is Fe in a nutshell
Yeah, its like fe users listen to what song people listen and they force to like it, although is not they re favourite.
This is the best video you guys have done in awhile omg
Strange, I'm an ENFJ and my ex was ESTJ and we displayed these traits in pretty much the opposite way that you're describing them.
Her: when she didn't get her way she was 100% the emotional outburst Karen type, she was the one who was obsessed with having the Christmas decorations up and decorating the house cute...
Me: in our arguments, I was the calm, thoughtful one who pointed out the flaws in her logic (in careful, sensitive ENFJ style of course), and I don't do the baby talk, mushy stuff, at least not in public.
I think mature Fe users would be mortified to do the karen thing and make the people around them super uncomfortable like that. Now a Te user with Fe low on the stack... that seems perfectly logical that they would unleash the rage on people in a high stress situation or when they are judging that everyone is being incompetent.
ding ding ding, what would this be, a Ti user thinking thru a half baked Te tangent? idk, but this just goes to show this theory rocks so easily when the wind blows LOL i swear i almost hate how everything seems to apply to everything, ur explanation seems to bare more weight, like u said, it seems like someone with demon Fe or something is gonna snap and have a temper tantrum in public, not giving a shit if they Fe embarrass themselves and make others judge and hate them
Yep
@@dreamluvr1600 everything seems to apply to everything
This video is super super underrated. After seeing it I finally finally have a good Ni understanding of Fe. It matches everything my Fe dom wife says and acts like. She thinks she mistyped as an esfj, but with this, I am even more sure she definitely is
is that you and your wife in your pfp
Watching this channel has been so helpful. I think I'm an INFP CP/S(B) and listening to dave blast has kind of taught me how to even do it
I laughed so laud at the Karen comparison. On a more serious note: very interesting view on Fe! And I relate a lot to this Te/Ti difference, mostly in discussions with Ti people. - ISFP
its my favorite because i can share it and know tribe values it. its my favorite because its their favorite and the chemicals literally go along with it. i have my Ti favorites but i don't wanna share those that much because for it to be understood by tribe member I have to be able to share the details of why its MY favorite, and all the reasons in the case of Ti (not just that i Fi like it which works for Fe's), and then there's of course the fears of being confusing or misunderstood and not Fe valued for my identity and ideas (Ne-Ti self), which obviously hurts
I have Fe as my demon and I do share some of your confusion. If ever act like an asshole to somebody, I will feel terrible (doesn't stop me though). Even when I'm pissed off, I will try to avoid screaming in their faces. Even if I do, I have to apologize immediately. So seeing a very aggressive Fe, or even just an Fi, who doesn't seem to realize that other people have emotions too, it mystifies me. Like, how can you live with that?
Probably have something do with the gender energy. I likely have feminine Fe, so it's less pushy and more movable, so it's far more sensitive to the outside vibe. AND it's a demon on top of that, so hurting somebody is like a deep-seated fear.
"Your reputation just got wrecked". We ask the same thing to Te saviours who are cold, manipulative, cynical etc...
Idk, man, but Te saviours supposedly have Fe as the lower stack so they care/notice the tribe ethics of/fitting in reputation the least I think. They have different sense of identity reinforced with their 4th stack of Fi (introverted function hence irrational). They focus more on getting things done (Te dominant). Cmiiw.
And also, sadly the cold manipulative and cynical Te saviours are the unhealthy ones. Any type can be cold, manipulative, and cynical tho'
shut up.
Our reputation is based on ability to _get things done,_ not waffle around emotionally. This is why we’re usually in charge.
Interesting video, but as an ENFJ I have something to say... We might act all silly-bubbly like you said but it's not just because it's what would be more acceptable for everyone or because 'it works'... From my perspective and from many ENFJs I know, it mostly comes from a place of authenticity within us. We might be aware that we are acting a bit 'too happy' to others, but we enjoy being that way - we are utterly optimistic =)
And yeah, Fe users might get emotional bursts every once in a while, but I am not sure if that is a product of Fe-dom or a more complex effect from a combination of different functions in the stack. For example I tend to get frustrated when I must explain my decisions logically to someone and I find it hard because they were made mostly on an emotional (Fe) or intuitive (Ni) basis. So that's Fe and Ni getting in the way of my poor inferior Ti who won't have a chance lol. Anyway, sometimes I just 'freeze', but other times I get angry like that, but I wonder if when Fe users burst like that it would be because we are just more intense in our feelings? Hmm, food for thought anyway... but it would be interesting to explore this in more depth comparing how different Fe users do that, if it really has to do with the function by itself or with a more specific stack combination.
Anywa always great to watch and learn from your content and your discussions!
This has indisputably been the most clarifying video/convo/whatever I've seen about Te/Fe.
While I've known for a long time I must be Fi/Te this has further cemented that for me.
omg thank you for explaining this. As a heavy Ti user I can't stand it when people throw out dumb ideas but at least I can appreciate where they are coming from now.
INFJ, Been loving your videos and trying to diversify my understanding of cognitive functions. I have Fe, know I do, the one thing that I have not heard spoken of here is the feminine and masculine. Being a 6'3" 250lb guy I simply have to keep my Fe in check. The other thing about my personality that IDGAF about is absolutely hating social hierarchy so freaking much that I haven't cared about reputation. Having matured a lot I go through the motions now in not giving others power in the form of my weakness. I have seen the fruits of this bounty, not showing my Fe can grind those who rely upon others weakness for inner strength down to a pulp.
This was excellent and illuminating.
Amazing !!!how in the world you guys keep up with always going in reverse 😱 the shadows are the hardest to see because no one cares is not automatic programming or first choice. It’s just mind blowing 📢
This is amazing. Makes way more sense now. It really helps me understand why Ti people have a hard time around me
The new camera and illumination are dope AF
Oooooooooooooooooh omfg yes! Ok click! You guys did a great job in explaining :0
plot twist: the extroverts are only agreeing that what they're doing is dumb because they know that that's what we introverts want to hear
Dominant Thinkers stretching themselves to process feelings; those of others & their own. When you stay up in your head all the time & discount your heart you're not in balance. Bring both into alignment.
Btw... We were in this workshop and we were preparing and editing a document in real time and whenever i had an idea i had to request everyone to shut up and write it down then ask them if it made sense as i could not think and at the same time talk like them.. I was wondering if that was my Ti in play as i am an INTP
OMG thats so me telling people your not dumb! . Last week I had this zoom meeting with like 20 people and we where all brain storming on that we could do to do something nice for a couple people that are affected with all the covid stuff and I was sharing my Idea and it was really heard for me because it was traded just like everyone elses Idea and on the spectrum it really was just about average but I still feeled very vulnerable because I had shard my ti. 😅😂
Hey can you do a comparison between te systems and si systems (yeeah is probably obvious but soo confusing for me a lot of people seem to be describing si when talking about te i mean i don't know 😅)
This clip is so good.
This was super helpful. I suspected it already, but now I know I'm DEFINITELY a Fi/Te user.
I have thought for a long time that Objective Personality is MBTI for Te dominants and this video proves it lmao
😂 true it's all Te view of other functions
Sure glad this video was over 5 minutes. That gives me a bit more time to gain enough insight to at least get by.
I think by this logic, Fe types should be the best and most rare in today's society, which overemphasizes "logical thinking" (as defined by the subjective culture of today's society anyway). For communication to hold any value in this day and age it ought to be concise and rational. It is a masculine style of mental, action-oriented "intelligence" which naturally lacks emotion, because emotional intelligence is feminine in nature. Therefore the Fe types should be venerated as the most brave, for openly communicating emotions despite also possessing the the mental intelligence that makes them aware that they "look crazy". Legendary philosophers and Christian apostles, among others, seem to encourage us to be as children, reacting in purity from our hearts in order to broaden our intellectual horizons and even gain intimate understanding of the Divine. I am not negatively insinuating that Fe's are emotionally immature, but suggesting the opposite. They set the true example for how we ought to embrace our emotional selves, because that expression is also highly intelligent. A healthy child freely and clearly expresses their emotions. But a healthy adult seems to feel threatened by them. They attempt to shut them down in favor of conforming to a completely illusive idea that limiting their emotions equates to thinking objectively and being smart.
Emotions are *neutral*. Happiness is an emotion. Anger is an emotion. Jealousy is an emotion. Excitement is an emotion. None should be shunned and none should be honored. If emotions are frowned upon, that seems to be a huge result of brainwashing. ("Don't be so sensitive/ don't act so emotional. Use your brain". If anyone's ever told you that, you could argue that those don't make inherent sense, as you can *and should* have emotions and use them by acting on them with purpose or hardly at all. Either way you are still an emotional human. And "using your brain" involves using your emotions to communicate a message. This *is* a smart way of exploiting your own system to your advantage. Fe according to what I've gathered from your videos, denotes using emotions as an extremely effective catalyst, devisive tool, charm, and other means of intelligent communication to clearly obtain a goal that is intuitive for the recipient to read and understand. From that point the recipient can either instantly become an asset, a liability, or a pawn.
Fe's could be some badass Slytherins if understood this way. Sorry I went off on a tangent and now I'm too lazy to proofread this.
I agree with should learn from children more than what we try to teach them
Can you guys do a comparison on Ti vs Te teaching styles? I’m a teacher and organise information with my Si-Ti functions.
This is the first video I’ve seen you guys do on Fe that is accurate to my personal experience of it.
But...“Ding ding ding music” lol what?
I'm going to have to process this one good job 👍
Omggg I am so bad at asking dumb questions I already know 🤦♀️ idk why I do that, it annoys me but I guess you have to otherwise how else do you converse?
Why do we talk in baby talk? Because we love talking to babies and animals. And I am flooded with endorphins when I’m doing it.
I ONLY talk in baby talk to babies and animals. It's really something I do automatically. It's just part of who I am!
Te is compromise everyone is ok with. The tis in the room know there’s a better way but their inner fe doesn’t want to waste time explaining because it may ruffle a feather or two. Not sure about the Fi /Te axis
That is such a great thought!
I think this is one of the best videos you have posted, like ever. Blew my mind
Good colour choices. Her eyes again. Good job both.
This is helping me confirm my thoughts that I’m seeing Strong Fe in my roomies kid. My issue is trying to figure if it’s savior or demon
Thank you.
As an Fe user I've never looked at it from a Te perspective, eye-opening.
Very good video!
Te throws reasons out there and Fe throws emotions out there.
Because Fe is able to deal with other people's crazy emotions, they expect other people to deal with their emotions too.
YES! We think that other people "get" that we are just ranting for a release. (After all, we would get their ranting, and would probably join in with it!) It always takes me back when I realize someone doesn't "get" it and they just think I'm nuts, or mean, or irrational, or whatever....
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So to know whether you have Te or Fe, it depends on what you fear more, being seen as dumb or being seen as overemotional? Does the “position” matters or affect this, like dominant vs inferior function?
Great info here
yall are brilliant
I’ve only just found this channel, and I have no idea which of my functions is the “savior function” as an ENTP, but if this woman was exhibiting Fe, I cannot help you 🤣 I see people explaining what’s going on, but I can’t explain it since it screams Fi+Te to me. I honestly thought this was an ExTJ having a meltdown. If not, then I have no idea what’s going on here.
Ok, that difference can be soooo huge! I am NOT one of the Te's! 😅
This reminds me of how I took part in a game tournament a while ago. With a partner, who I think was some kind of Se/Te type. While preparing, he would ask the tournament organizers questions about the most simple stuff if it wasn't 100% clear. Like, no shame. I was secretly glad that he did, because I wouldn't have asked. I would have been afraid everyone else would think I'm stupid for asking. If anything, maybe I would have tip toed up to my partner in private and be all whispery about it, like: "Hey... This feels like a dumb question, but... Do you know how _xyz_ is supposed to work?"
I'm not ok with looking stupid. It's probably the one thing that makes me most devastated inside.
But I've been stupid all my life
For what it's worth, people tend to think they suck at the things they're actually really good at. You're probably quite smart and have higher standards for what makes someone intelligent as a result, which might make you underestimate your intelligence relative to others.
I live with this
Perfect analysis
I love this, where were guys two years ago? Oh, wait.
Funny to see NTJs processing Fe, glad you made it to a point of understanding ! Next step would be valuing ?
Cause boy how hard it is to understand why reputation is such a thing for Te users
this is very enlightening
They are leaving out the aspect of righteous indignation. As an ENTP I am usually logical but sometimes feel I have the right to display how hurt/angry/scared/upset/etc I am. The immature parts may actually conduct this display as punishment to the others, their discomfort for my pain. Ti won’t step in the way cause it’s like “well, you got a right be pissed”.
this is great! helped me better understand the concept of Te, and also allowed me to see how you, without strong Fe, share your thoughts and insights on those with strong Fe. -INFJ;) ..did ya like my cutest winkie face? doesn’t bother me one way or the other lol!!!;)))) j/k
This was genius. You are both fascinatingly clever
(My fake Fe love, smooches, hugs, sunshine 😍❤️🤗😍💋🌞☀️)
Back to my Te
Whoa!! This explains a lot!!
What are Dave and Shan's type? (I'm New here)
Thought I'd share my experience here, ok so I'm Savior Ti/Ne (inferior Fe, obviously), and because of I've found myself working in factories and warehouses most of my adult life, doing jobs like production, packing, testing, sorting, etc. Just laboring in general. Even some construction work.
And let me tell you, I feel like 90% of my coworkers tend to be Fe and Te doms, mostly sensors, too.
I think in this context, the "lowest common denominator" could essentially be this spectrum of the working class, the entry level/unqualified workers and day-laborers.
30 yo and married now, but the communication with my peers doesn't get much easier over time. lol.
Eye opening
As an INTP I actually find myself more confused about my Fe than I was prior to this video, my progressive confusion as you talk about people looking stupid and ruining their reputations over Fe, lol
Has your inferior Fe never had a meltdown? Lucky you.
So when it comes to my ti, im definitely very confident with it on my own. When im with other people i know they probably wont get it, because its gone through ni first. So what i do is try to find the simplest way to explain stuff so everyone could understand the truth and not misinterpret what im saying. It is satisfying getting to that point, because i feel like im only talking or offering a solution when im actually confident in it.
Awesome video
@4:24 ok. Intp, fe last. I resonate here, even though it's a shadow. I go into tantrums when I'm frustrated. Usually at work. After slamming a few things around to signal frustration I go for break and I come back and sometimes my coworkers are looking tme like 'you good?'and I'm like... Yeah? Was there a problem? Oh that? Yeah I'm over it.
How have else have you found a double demon fe manifest?? I’m savior fe (first) demon ti reversed
@@anoncat6942 coupld you elaborate? It seems Si relates more to memory and past experiences. As a demon it holds me back by me being fearful to do things that have caused me pain in the last. Doesn't seem to be part of my temper tantrum moments.
Is Si/Te demon more likely to temper tantrum than Ni/Fe?