heron marked swords part 1
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- čas přidán 7. 07. 2016
- Part 1 in the making of a pair of heron marked swords.
Due to extremely slow upload times at my new location in the country, I'm breaking videos into smaller parts.
Blades are 80CrV2 steel.
More information on any of my swords is available on my website:
www.bronzebyjeffreyjrobinson.com - Zábava
The wheel of time turns as we patiently wait for part two. Love watching these works of art come to life.
Thanks. Ha, shouldn't be too long though, I have the pics and vid just have to edit it all together. Probably going to be three parts in total.
I am amazed watching someone bring these blades to life. Thank you. A Master would be proud to have such a fine blade.
glad you finally got the new workshop up and running
Thanks, me too.
I look forward to your videos. Glad to see a new one.
Thanks, more on the way now that I'm settled in.
As I have written on many of your videos,to have such skill in something is a great gift.This unlike many gifts I have seen others have is NOT being squandered.
Thank you.
awesome to see a new video your work is quite something to watch
Thanks, glad you enjoy watching.
Nice to see you back Brother
Thanks, good to be finally getting settled in. More to come.
Very nice to see you again. ^~^
Thanks, getting set up at the new place has kept me busy for a while.
Keep up the awesome work, you are amazing! I love watching your videos.
Thank you, glad you like them.
Ur back!!!! The messiah has returned!
Amazing!!!
Thanks!
glad to see another video, good job!
Thank you!
dude you are set up! that shape was on point!
Thanks!
Awesome as always!
Thanks!
Nice new shop you got
Thanks, took a while to get it all together.
I like the shashka he made, very elegant form.
Thank you.
It looks like you got a new shop recently. Looks awesome man hope to see more of your work!
Thanks. Yep, new shop in a new state. More work coming in the near future.
Moved to or From GA?
To Georgia from Florida. New location is about 1/2 hour south of Atlanta.
I'm sure Al'Thor would be proud to wield these.
Thanks, book reference? I never actually read the books :( I'm going to go ahead and assume that's a compliment though.
Yes, it's a reference to the Wheel of Time books. Rand Al'Thor is one of the main characters and wields a Heron blade.
Nice, thanks.
Only a blade master is given one of these
Wheel of Time series got me into the whole fantasy genre. Its really good.
It's good to see you normalizing the blades before heat treating. I see too many smiths neglecting to do that step then complain when they can't figure out why their blades warped, cracked, or broke. Beautiful swords. Keep up the excellent work and thanks for sharing the videos.
Thanks. It's much easier to get away with that on a small blade than a full sized sword, but still something which shouldn't generally be left out.
I realize that these are fantasy blades but are there any historical blades that are similar to this?
Awesome to see you back! While I love your steel work, I love your bronze work more.
Wish I could afford these.
Thanks
Wheel of Time?
Yep
Can't wait to check these out, no time to watch right now though!
Been missing your videos! Is straightening the blades pre-temper just a matter of convenience for you, or is there more to it? I always straightened my knife blades during temper.
The straighter they are going into the final quench, the less they need to be straightened after. I suspect (but honestly don't know for certain) that straightening during temper may still leave some residual stress in the blade.
Interesting theory. Thanks for your reply.
Don't know how this vid slipped by my radar. Excellent work as always. Is that three alternating rods affixed to your vice during the straightening? Very nice. Love your heat treat oven. That tall slender design seems perfect for your work. The reduced space = very little heat wasted to the atmosphere in there. Been meaning to ask, is it normal electric or induction? Definitely not gas, too silent. Looks way more controllable than other setups I've seen. Interested in eventually equipping a small shop of my own to experiment in. Don't have the funds to yet, so currently in research and planning stage. Any help is very welcome. Lastly, do you frequent/post on any forums etc? Thanks.
Thanks. Yep, three alternating brass rods in the vice. Works great. My heat treat kiln is electric. I built it from parts of two or three old ceramic kilns with some new electronics. Start out cheap, you can do a lot with very little and the more research you do, the more equipment you can either do without or build on your own. When I get a chance, I'm over at the sbg-sword-forum.
+brotherbanzai Thanks for the clarifications. Are the rods brazed in place? Really hope some day you do a vid with in depth close up details showing and explaining your kiln's construction and use. It's not be the only way to make one, but it is a very nice design application. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's interested. Definitely going to spend time researching on sbg-sword-forum now. Any other resources you recommend for the novice? Or a link to or name of a vid if you already discussed resources before would be cool. Also have you ever explained your Banzai-peening of the hilt furniture on here or the sbg forum? Specifically interested in secure crossguard mounting methods. Thanks for taking the time to answer and help. It's really appreciated. I'm sure you remember what it was like being a knowledge hungry beginner wanting to figure out what's best to start out with and seeking advice/info wherever possible.
Paul Alvarado The rods are tig welded to a pair of metal brackets which fit over the jaws of the vice (so I can still remove them if I want). I had a how-to thread up about how I built this kiln on the SBG forum at one time, but it was lost years ago when they migrated to a new server. If I build a new one (which I may in the not to distant future), I'll make a video of the process. I talked about the banzaipeen in a thred on the forum as well as in a vid or two, but can't remember where. Try searching "banzaipeen" on the forum and see if it shows up, it would have been a few years ago.
+brotherbanzai Will do. Thanks for all your help. It's really appreciated.
Hi. Did you build that vertical oven or buy it? I have a evenheat horizontal but I'd prefer a vertical one. I cant find one anywhere.
I built this heat treat oven, best way to get exactly what you want. Can you just turn yours on its end?
With my oven you cant, the heat rises to the top and the blades don't get evenly heated unfortunately. I'll look into building something like yours. Thanks!
Ah, too bad. I used to have a thread on a sword forum detailing how I built this one, but it was lost when the forum migrated to a new host. It's not that difficult though. If I build a new HT oven, I'll make a how to vid of it.
Sir i just want to ask if you will be selling one of the blades? I am a big fan of the wheel of time series.
These two are commissioned pieces, so they were essentially sold before I started making them. Contact me though the email address on my website if you want to see about commissioning something for yourself.
Fantastic work once again. Though I confess I've never read any of Robert Jordan's work I'll say the Heron Mark swords are an excellent subject to translate into metal. Good choice and beautiful work.
Thank you, I never read any of the books either.
brotherbanzai oh that's too bad they are a lot of fun, if perhaps the series is a bit longer than strictly necessary
***** Maybe someday. I have a long list of things I'd like to find time to do...
The audiobooks are always an option, they're really well narrated
Anti-scale compound?
Nope, I didn't bother using any on these. Sometimes it's more trouble than it's worth.
ibwas watching man at arms before. maaan, you are so juch more awesome! takee my subscription and upvote with you )
Thanks, glad you like my work. Man at arms is cool too though, just different from what I do.
+brotherbanzai liked? dude, you are a wizard ) you making them not only beautiful, but also very practical as i see. if i would stand against dude with any manAtArms sword with one of your beauty - this would be soooo easy. What i'm trying to say - you are a true master!
Thanks very much.
New shop? That's awesome! The swords look great as well man, are they Chinese inspired or am I an idiot?
Heron marked swords are from Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series.
Thanks, yeah new shop in a new state, it's been great so far. As mentioned be Alexsha James, from the Wheel of Time book series. I always assumed sort of katana/swiss saber inspired.
+brotherbanzai there was an "official" sword released by Windlass years ago, but I think yours have a better look. Are you going to put a heron on the handle of on so it's Rand's sword?
They look really great! I might check out that series.
wow new shop! awesome my friend, looking great. what steel did you pick for these?
It's in the description 80CRV2. Kind of like 5160 on steroids.
+Calvin Richardson my bad, thanks for pointing that out.
Thanks, I'm loving the new location! I moved to 5 acres in Georgia and built a dedicated shop on the property. Yeah, as mention 80CrV2 steel, my current favorite for monosteel blades.
Hello my friend, I tried to source that steel and my suppliers came up short too, where do you source it?
+Sylvan Energy Solutions Try New Jersey Steel Baron. www.newjerseysteelbaron.com
Dude finally I thought you where dead
Nah, just took several months to get moved and set up at the new location.
+brotherbanzai that's good the new place looks great so now your back in action
i saw the tip if one blade was blue during tempering, doesnt this means that you softened the metal too much?
Blue is 525 - 550 degrees. When these blades were done being tempered they had been taken up to very light blue at 575 degrees, which would give a hardness in the mid/upper 50s for this steel. If you look at the last picture of the blades you can see the colors as they change at the tang - very light blue for the blades then cooling to dark blue, purple, straw...
Why do they curve forward? Is it because of the contraction caused by the rapid cooling of the blade?
It has to do with the differing volume taken up by the different microstructures within the steel and what other microstructures those structures are reacting against as they cool. It's fairly complicated metallurgical stuff which I don't truly understand and which metallurgists don't really agree on.
brotherbanzai hmm, because in my experience it tends to bend back, away from the edge due to martensite being less dense. Maybe that is because I have only been using shallow hardening steels like W2 which won't harden as much along the spine. Who knows.
Love your work, I hope someday my crude attempts at your art will resemble what i see here.
It varies with blade shape, cross section, steel type...
Somewhat generally, but not always, a blade will curve forward toward the edge when quenched in oil and away from the edge when quenched in water.
brotherbanzai Perhaps that is because most water hardening steel are shallow hardening (like w2) so the less dense martensite would for along the edge while the spine forms denser pearlite- ferrite. Whereas an oil hardening steel would form martensite all over so the relative densities would be the same but the faster cooling and contraction of the edge in the quench might pull the spine forward while it is still hot.
Although this is pure conjecture on my part
Except that among steel which can be either water or oil quenched (and again varying with shape and cross section), they will often still tend to curve back in water and forward in oil. For instance using two blades of the same shape, cross section, and steel type, but quenching one in water and one in oil.
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