Do you have to fish out props that are thrown in the sea? - Q&A
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- čas přidán 15. 05. 2024
- Are productions legally bound to fish out props that get chucked into the sea? Are Children's TV writers secretly geniuses? And, why do video games not get the respect they deserve?
A wonderful glut of questions (and answers) on this episode of The Rest Is Entertainment.
00:00 - Intro
00:30 - Children’s TV Writers
04:15 - Live Show Camera Operators
08:20 - Third Acts Of Movies
12:00 - The Pointless Trophy
14:00 - Video Gaming Industry
18:30 - Throwing Items In The River In Movies & TV
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Email: therestisentertainment@gmail.com
Producer: Neil Fearn
Executive Producers: Tony Pastor + Jack Davenport - Zábava
Cant believe Richard forgot about the time he threw a shopping trolley into a river on Taskmaster. He of all people should know what happens in that scenario!
I am absolutely loving this podcast. Thrilled that I found it. Just everything I love in one show! Keep up the good work :)
Thanks for the kind words David!
Dara O'Briain talks about video games being the only art form with a skill requirement. TV, films or books don't prevent your progress because you can't "beat the boss". This is part of the reason they're not spoken about in the same way. Then add further restrictions like having a/the right device to play them on, means you can't just offer a casual recommendation (to a non-gamer). Having said that, there is some incredible writing in games. Would be interesting to know if people have crossed over, one way or the other.
Counterpoint: Infinite Jest
Go 8-Bit tried really hard to make video games entertaining for A TV audience, but they had to introduce all these specific restrictions and time constraints etc to make it work in a digestible format, which sadly doesn't represent the games in their true light. You can't play Tomb Raider or Elden Ring on a show like that. But it's okay, because Let's Plays on CZcams have got that covered.
I'd love these Q&A pods to be longer!
Did you not listen to anything they said about being concise? 😆
Go in as late as possible, come out as soon as possible. Always been my motto.
"I killed a rat with my BAFTA." - David Mitchell
Didn’t that end up being a lie😂
@@TravelingBibliophile It did, but the subject of how deadly such awards are came up and I couldn’t resist.
Marina is just so constantly enthusiastic!
Nature documentaries are a fantastic example of the act structure discussed too. Introduce the animal act one, introduce the peril in act two, resolution of death or survival in act 3
Beginning, Middle, End.
Setup, Heightening, Payoff.
Thesis, Antithesis, Synthesis.
Something, Another Thing, A Third Thing To Make It Feel Like Enough Without Feeling Like Too Much.
Yeah, it’s a very basic way of looking at art. All stories must have a beginning and an end. That’s two. To leave out any middle is insane as we don’t go anywhere. Its possible but your story is nothing. It’s a silly way to describe all performance art. We all love basic structures and pretending everything comes in threes though.
Some large props used in films stay in the water and become diver attractions. For example, In the Bahamas I went on a dive to the plane used in the movie Into the Blue.
Marina is talking about baby TV almost, which I don’t think the original question was about. It’s about the brilliance of the likes of danger mouse.
The game industry has TONS of stars. They're in the form of characters, creators, game directors, artists, musicians, studios, AND voice actors.
Mario, Sonic, Nathan Drake, Kratos, Link, Zelda, MegaMan, Bomberman, Pac Man, Ezio Auditore da Firenze, Corvo Attano, Donkey Kong, Lara Croft, Bayonetta, Samus Aran, Peach, Daisy, Rosalina, GLaDOS, Crash Bandicoot, Banjo-Kazooie, Shigeru Miyamoto, Keiji Inafune, Masahiro Sakurai, Hideo Kojima, Gabe Newell, Ed Boon, David Jaffe, Satoru Iwata, Satoshi Tajiri, Ken Sugimori, Yasunori Mitsuda, Hideki Kamiya, Koji Igarashi, Ken Levine, Eiji Aonuma, Tim Schafer, Koji Kondo, John Carmack, Gunpei Yokoi, Hironobu Sakaguchi, Will Wright, Sid Meier, Valve, Arkane Studios Lyon, Rocksteady, Rockstar, Troy Baker, Nolan North, Yuri Lowenthal, Jennifer Hale, Christopher Judge, David Hayter, Charles Martinet, etc etc etc etc.
My first thought was shopping trolley on taskmaster.
Bluey really is a masterpiece, I still laugh at a peppa pig when she slams the phone down when susie doesn’t sympathise with her
Bluey's Sleepytime episode should've won an oscar or something
enlightening, and entertaining answers. these Q&As are perfect. really enjoyed this one, thanks.
66 vids. you're going to need playlists soon!
I feel obliged to point out that Shakespeare did not write in "five-act plots". That was a structure imposed by later editors.
I have always looked at the three-act format as a Gag Structure. All jokes follow the same idea: The Premise or Setup, the story, the punchline. And that applies to any book, film, etc. There is something about three of anything and the way the human brain works which as a default, is a safe and strong way to communicate. But even when you have ads, you just divide your three by three again, so each part has three parts too.
It’s not even about threes. It’s just a simplistic way of describing ANY story. You have to know who the characters are, otherwise, who cares. There had to then be some plot, otherwise what is the point. There then had to be a resolution to the story. It’s just a very simplistic way of looking at a much more complex thing.
Another brilliant edition.
Great podcast, but too short 😢
Colin, brilliant question.
Re waste of time meetings: the scene in (apologies for any spoilers) Life on Mars where he leaves a meeting by throwing himself out of the window and the one in Friends where Chandler inadvertently agrees to move to Tulsa both played through my head a lot when sitting in meetings when working in local government.
Dara Ó Briain had a brilliant video games themed TV programme a few years back called "Go 8 Bit". However, it wasn't like a series based on a game, it was a gameshow where contestants would play various games to compete for points.
They had an enormous variety of games from different genres, platforms and decades, including some that the contestants chose so they could literally be anything (I think there was a no repeats rule though). It was a great way to introduce games you might never have heard of; preview new games or gameplay styles (I remember at least one VR game for example); or get nostalgic over an old game.
I seem to remember the last round wasn't actually a real game: it was a real life version of a game, where the contestants would physically be the game characters. So it added that TV entertainment angle to gaming and the big final (3rd act?) that gameshows love.
Richard: Games World. Was. Brilliant.
My applause to your editor for their interjection! As an editor myself I agree with them. I can definitely see a role for AI in editing in terms of automating some of the more tedious tasks but I would hate to see AI making actual editorial decisions. I know it will happen, though. Money-people adore AI because it means they can create content without paying for a skilled professional to do it. As a skilled professional I find that immensely worrisome.
I was hitting all the wrong keyboard shortcuts editing that bit, couldn’t stop shaking 😂.
@@TheRestIsEntertainment 😁
Cant believe they didn't mention the most famous throw into the sea of all time..Old lady with the jewel in Titanic.
They threw an old lady into the sea in Titanic? I mean, I guess technically they threw a bunch of people into the sea in real life. But to do it just for entertainment? Seems a bit much.
Brilliant podcast ❤
"Don't clip that bit out and put it on TikTok". Just brilliant.
It took me a couple of times to figure out that the orange and black thing when putting up and removing questions was a curtain graphic, rather than someone in an orange shirt walking in front of the camera
2000AD, the comic book is often credited with starting so many comic book careers because they have to cram a cliffhanger every five pages.
I'm fairly sure I watched a behind the scenes thing about something, where a gun was thrown into a river, and they had to ensure it was retrievable due to the fact it was a prop gun and could cause alarm if found!
Dexter liked throwing things into the sea. :)
The Cosby show was an innovator in "slaving" single cameras on a multi-cam set. Select cameras were recorded in entirety while also sending their signal to the switcher for live cutting. If a cutaway or missed cue was needed, the slave camera footage could be cut in to the master. Now, all cameras are dual feed and this is a given, but pre digital was a different world ( get it?_). p.s. Brits call switchers "Vision Mixers" and shock absorbers are "dampeners". In both instances, I feel they got it righter...
21:20 It happens on Taskmaster every season
The train that was derailed for The Fugitive is still sitting by the tracks it left in North Carolina.
Greatest children's TV show of all time - Chorlton and the Wheelies
production companies should absolutely do their best to retrieve their jetsam. there is no excuse
Once you notice how often Richard says ‘by and large’ you’ll never be able to unhear it. You’re welcome.
What have you done :O
Heard of a vintage motorcycle being driven into the sea fora filming role Obviously it was a hired in vehicle and thrr we owner stipulated that yes they could but it had to be immediately recovered, flushed with fresh water and then taken away to be stripped and de salted dried out and rebuilt. That’d cost a few quid!
The audible chuckles off-camera. Can't blame them-every episode is solid comedy gold. Hurrah.
Could you fish Julian assange out from the uk dungeon you put him in
Matt Stone and Trey Parker did a hilarious synopsis of the "film class" that the money people forced them into, it was like The movie starts and something is HAPPENING, and it calms down and something happens that turns act 1 on it's head (and that's act 2) and then act 4 weaves act 1 and 2 together, and we want the film to be 90 minutes,
I am influenced by grown up film and tv but I was formed by the shows I watched as a kid, Children's T.V should be treated as the most important T.V anyone will ever watch, it makes the next people.
I'm wondering from whom, or why the games industry would need to be validated by anyone other than those who consume its output? I feel like when a medium begins seeking that kind of broad approval, it becomes diluted and losses what makes it special (this is not an argument against inclusivity or an attempt to shield an industry from warranted criticism).
Good point. I don't know why they would need to be validated, but I would compare this situation to the comic book industry. For years, and years, the comic book industry existed. A small group of people were serious collectors/readers but by and large, the rest of the world just knew those books/characters existed. But then the Marvel Universe extended to the masses. Now everyone seems to know about even fringe characters. But I do think there is a certain exclusivity or individualism that gamers and the gaming community enjoy. You are either with us and know what is going on, or you're not. In that case, we don't care about you.
I wonder ...would come dine with me and the variations like dinner date, 4 in a bed etc be the cheapest tv shows to make, even the prizes are cheap lol
Hi. A question. What happens in cooking programs where the cook doesn't wash their hands between different foods and the chicken is probably on the rare side - do the guests really eat it?
They did a cooking food question a few weeks/months back. So you need to go back.
Do you both think, on the ‘vision edition’, a costume change would make the single, twin episode, session less glaringly obvious? 🤔
Why would you think we care?
@@RosClarkeCraftCalm down, love! (🤪). It’s just ‘cos you, in particular, are just that sort of REALLY caring person? 😬❤👍
there is a whole youtube community of divers with metal detectors that go around piers retrieving other peoples money, phones, wedding rings that have fallen or been hurled off the pier. a pier is likely to be the cleanest partof thesea because the divers clean up as they search
concision
Richard were all the props on prize island fake or did you destroy real equipment ?
A grass with a fridge tied to his ankle. The murder weapon. Dexter's garbage bags.
Gamesmaster?????? 18:20
Dexter was the easiest example for things being thrown into water…
Regarding videogames, other media formats do not have a barrier to entry in terms of acquiring a skill. I literally don't have the ability to appreciate GTA, and for that reason I'm not interested in any discussion of it.
Like windsurfing, I'm sure it's great, I'm sure people invest a great deal of time and money in it, but I'll never be in a position to engage.
My wife is always complaining about me analysing the kids shows and there story quality😅
Haha welcome aboard, we encourage that sort of pedantry here
1:10 Wait...isn't that Michael Stipe?! 😂
The talk about games not having stars and then talking about voice actors was…..weird. A lot of games don’t even have voice acting, and it’s not like voice actors in cartoons/anime become especially famous unless they were already famous (mark hamill).
...created by the karaoke Leni Riefenstahl
THe award should have had rounded edges...pointless
games r ruining film making now imho....
Interesting take, why do you think so?
Indeed also curious on that take. I'd say games imitate films rather than any major influence the other way. It's the two decade long superhero trend which crushed creativity and variety in the film industry imo.
So happy Richard stopped that nonsense with sonic. Batman begins trilogy wouldn’t have been shot without the Arkham series successes.
Strange claim. The first Arkham game came out 4 years after Batman Begins (and a year after Dark Knight)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-act_structure
I'd say a Grammy or TONY would sting but I don't think a Grammy or TONY could kill.