Annoying Movie Mistakes & Funny Meetings With Americans
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- čas přidán 3. 06. 2024
- Richard celebrates Channel 5's fast turnaround documentaries in light of a forthcoming Glasgow Willy Wonka tell-all. Plus is boxing now a reality show after the announcement of Jake Paul vs Mike Tyson coming to Netflix.
In the second half, Richard & Marina answer some of your most pressing questions. What were the most pointless meetings you've ever had? Why are cups in film and TV always empty? And are paparazzi photos in fact staged?
00:00 - Intro
00:20 - Jake Paul Vs Mike Tyson & The Boxing Industry
11:58 - The Genius Of Channel 5
23:15 - Recommendations
24:40 - Q&A starts
24:50 - Waste Of Time Meetings
33:30 - How Real is W1A
37:55 - The Art & Science of Film Editing
43:40 - Does “Everyone Has A Book In Them”?
47:35 - Empty Cups In Movies & TV...
51:30 - Libraries & Book Loaning
55:00 - Staged Paparazzi Photos - Zábava
Thank you both for filming this! I know it's technically a podcast, but the video adds so much! The set is beautiful, and the video production is genuinely great.
Our pleasure Andrew
@@TheRestIsEntertainment I'm terrible at listening to podcasts as my mind easily wanders without something to focus my eyes on, I find the topics very interesting but podcasts nigh on impossible to listen to without the accompanying video. So thank you for uploading the video of the podcast
I’m waiting to see Richard drink something, anything. He’s too dry to be human
I listened to an audio only podcast recently and they played video clips for the people in the room and it made no sense by just sound
I stopped listening ofc
I particularly enjoyed the little lawyer edited in, just as they were joking about it 😆
OMG A segment about empty cups in movies and TV. The empty thud of a coffee cup on a table. I feel validated.
Peole grasping 'hot' mugs with their whole hand or worse, holding the bottom !
Right! People sipping out of obviously empty cups drives me mad as well.😂
Ha. That has always bugged me, too. Why would you spend all that time and money to create a realistic looking set or street scene then have a character buy a coffee, wave the cup around as they talk as if they're holding a car key, then plunk the cup down with a hollow thud? Drives me mad.
The Law and Orders are really bad for that. It's as if none of the cast or crew have ever drank a hot beverage from a take out cup before.
Would it be so hard to put a non liquid weight in the cup?
I studied film music and we also did some sound design. I was shocked to find out how well our ears are trained to certain sounds, things you wouldn't even think about. For example, I had to create an ambient noise for an early morning scene in a farm, and I thought "OK, I can just go out and record some birds, bugs, the wind through the trees etc". But it was in the afternoon and very quickly I realised, my recordings sound nothing like early morning. It was obviously the afternoon. Now, if somebody had asked me before, can you differentiate between morning and afternoon bird noises, I would think "No way". Turns out, not only I and everybody else can, but it sounds very unnatural and weird if you use them the other way around.
1 hour?? A true treat
There are a few comments on why the video is different to the audio. We've been experimenting with the idea that combining the main ep and the questions into a single video is better suited to CZcams. Let us know if you prefer one longer video or multiple shorter videos!
CZcams Admin.
@@TheRestIsEntertainment Longer video is great, especially when you delightfully chapter the sections, it makes it easy to jump to topics you're interested in, if not the whole thing like I am!
@@TheRestIsEntertainment Really i'd just like to see the exact same show as on podcast platforms, just on youtube with video.
No....ALL episodes should be an hour🤣🤣🤣🤣🙌🙏
@@rextitan , well as I understand it, that's what you *used* to get, but not anymore! (i.e. Podcast and CZcams parity).
Now the new trial is 2x a week ~30mins eps on audio, but on CZcams they are combined into a 1x a week ~1hour video.
Whoever edits this has a great sense of humour. I love the zoom-ins and the anthem playing 😂😂😂
48:23 - Regarding the coffee cup situation I wish they'd just put a small weight on the base of the cup so that the cup is not so light and that would look somewhat more realiistic.
Also suitcases pretending to be full but obviously too light to have anything in.
Just put some water in it! No Health and Safety issues (scalding) or wardrobe issues (hairdryer!)
I remember when I was a child there was a milk bottle for a baby doll that if you tipped it it would look like there was actual liquid sloshing around - if they don’t already movies are in dire need of that tech 😂
Filling the bottom half with resin would give a mug the illusion of weight and still leave room for some liquid if spills are needed.
The question from Geoff about empty cups...I felt like I was listening to myself. Every single time the empty cup appears on my screen I am 100% out. Thank you Geoff so much for asking this one.
My bugbear is lamps on in rooms when a character enters a house that we know has previously been empty for hours/ days, and no-one remarks "They must have left suddenly, as they've left all the lights on!" or "It's like Blackpool illuminations in here!".
Any chance of covering all the house buying formats? Location x 3, Place In The Sun, Escape To The Country et al? Who buys a house that way? Have they not considered using an estate agent?
An estate agent is different to a house finder
W1A to me is a perfect reflection of how I remember a day in preproduction, not how it happens but how I remember it just before a fall asleep
What a fantastic way to spend an hour :) my only comment is in the "does everyone have a book in them question?". My answer to that is, "Yes - as long as you accept 95% of them will be unreadable crap".
I loved:
Marina - “A Lib-Dem battle bus.”
Richard - “That’s an oxymoron.”
These are genuinesly as good as you hope they are. Thanks so much for these!
I just adore your show. No one else unpacks the cultural entertainment landscape in the way you do. AS it all continues to fragment, it is harder to find anyone that understands what is going on and can communicate it so clearly to the rest of us. So thank you both (and everyone else that works behinds the scenes to make this show happen).
I LOVE this podcast. It’s fascinating and entertaining and it must never stop.
It’s nice to know that other people obsess over tiny things in movies like magic lightweight coffee cups that never spill despite being waved around in a craze.
Love your show guys, thanks! 😊
Wait....so it's a two in one episode? Love it! (But also, please keep the two ep schedule.)
The hot/cold water thing was on QI a few years ago - they played the sound of hot and cold to test the panelists - I got it correct straight away.
This is great - both episodes from this week in a single video is a great idea
Re editing: there is a story about the film The Eagle Has Landed (1976, about as topical as I’m going to get) that director John Sturges found a loophole in his contract that he didn’t have to be there for the editing and wasn’t. So the finished film was effectively created by editor Anne Coates (Lawrence of Arabia, Elephant Man,etc, although the directors were probably in the room then). But illustrates how infrequently the editor is just left to it.
Most directors would care about the finished product, since it is an advert for their directorial ability, rather than just their contractual obligations...
Love the little video clips mid sentence
I like the long form, thanks
Glad you like it!
Love the longer video
I have a question! How much screen time do Richard and Marina have in a day?! I can't fathom their range and depth of knowledge about everything!!
What depth of knowledge? Most of the info is available on google and they have a staff. Maybe you didn't notice Marina reading her notes and pretending she's someone in the entertainment industry while unable to remember her own introduction!
@@reneecollins600 ouch!
Thank you for now making me notice cups in everything
W1A was a fun mockumentary...
Totally agree about learning a skill. Even if you just learn enough to enjoy the skill, there’s huge value in that.
Loved the podcast, but just one question. The "movie mistakes" referred to in the headline...does that refer to the glass/mug/suitcase question? I'm guessing it does. And while that discussion about props was a good listen, I finished the pod wondering if I'd missed the bit about "mistakes" 🤦♂
Fascinating insight into Channel 5. I haven’t watched Channel 5 in years, but what a great team they seem to have and so on the pulse.
I LOVE this...thank you thank you thank you...😊✌🇬🇧💖
excellent
I always thought the phrase ‘everyone has a book in them’ refers to them having a story to tell, and/or that their life, in whole or in part, is a story that people will want to know about, rather than it meaning ‘everyone should write a book’ which seems to be how Richard has approached it.
Luv it!😊
I hate it when people complain about how expensive books are, but then say they haven't been to a library in years! THEY ARE FREE! Most have the latest books or can order them in for a small fee. (But also I don't think that libraries are capitalising on the current financial situation enough and reminding people just what they can get.)
I’m also from the typewriter age. I once had to share an office about 7 years ago and was told I type on my computer far too loud. I was shocked but once I thought about it, it made sense. I now have my own office and let the fingers fly!!!!! I have noticed the letter decal on several of my most-used keys is worn away. The PC Techs make fun of me. “Get out of my office”. I love your channel. Watching from Fort Worth, Texas.
I'm here from Tiktok, now I'll have to binge watch all the episodes !
The whole coffee cup thing bothers me. So much so that I was trying to figure out how to just make a simple weight that could be put at the bottom of them that wouldn't move so that they could pretend better
Some productions use lentils, and others have cups filled with silicone (this can be tipped out and put into other cups once dried).
I think some do try to fill their cups with dry/solid stuff but I still don't ever recall more than maybe one example where I'm convinced. For me, it's less the weight and more the way the actors drink from the cup, particularly that first sip. Anyone who has taken that first sip from those cups knows you do it with a very careful and deliberate action. I rarely, if ever, see that portrayed by actors. THAT is the answer I need :D The why to that. They're professional actors. Why is this concept so difficult for them?
@@StealthBoyElite because it's not their first sip. They've done rehearsals and multiple takes. It's very hard to keep "first time" energy especially when it's not the important part of the scene.
I work for a library and I see a Richard Osman book every single day! Also I can confirm you can get free access to magazines music and newspapers with a library card! Also I would never yell at anyone for typing loudly!
I've also been told (in quiet times at work) that I type loudly. It's definitely a thing.
Richard’s American meeting voice is quite fun & painfully accurate.
I get why they can’t have liquid inside, but coffee cups should be slightly weighted so it’s not so obvious when the actors pick them up
This is a very good podcast and I hope the algorithm recognises that and pushes it because it’s great
Any meeting in the American educational system has two goals:
1. To waste my time as a teacher
2. See goal #1
Same in the UK!
From what I hear, it's the same thing in Canada.
the empty cups reminded me instantly off how gold bars are handled as if they are just wooden blocks with golden metalfoil on it that weigh nothing.
Particular when some South African Goldmine had a bit, where they allow you to walk away with a gold bar if you can lift it up with one hand.
Adam Savage (Mythbusters, prop creator) has said that actors are brutal on any prop. They manage to break steel swords.
I love love both of these people and lo and behold no surprise I love this podcast. Thank you so much
aaaaw..i miss cheques..was something so grownup about writing and signing a cheque...
Tyson began his workout regime in Maynard Keenan's Brazilian Jiu-jitsu dojo, in Arizona
32:20 I'm positive this bit is about Noel Edmunds
What? You can use a libary card to view news and megazine!!! :O . Wow thanks richard for sharing that that very useful.
Be nice to poor Al Pacino - the producers told him to not read the nominations at the last moment because they were worried about time.
Great hour long episode, thank you.
On the subject of hot and cold water being poured. I live in France and wonder if the 93% would be fewer here in France?
I was thinking if Canadians (me) would hear the difference between the boiling and cold water too ….
If you’re interested in the art of editing, there was a book I read, maybe 20 years ago that I absolutely love called The Conversations - Walter Murch and the Art of Editing Film where he talks to Michael Ondaatje. A fascinating read.
Also by Walter Murch, 'In the Blink of an Eye' is a great read
@@TheRestIsEntertainment that’s now on my Amazon wish list! Thanks for the recommendation.
An hour long!! Yes!!!
Literally one second after I turned the tap on to wash my hands, Richard said people would be listening to the podcast with the tap running. I burst out laughing, with surprise. Ha ha!
Probably a obscure suggestion but can you cover Korean variety shows. Prime, Netflix, ITV and now the BBC have dabbled with Jinny's Kitchen, Sirens, The Physical 100, The Devil’s Plan, The Masked Singer, I Can See Your Voice and Made in Korea the latest. Would shows with ever changing formats like the glory days of Running Man or Infinity Challenge work in the West? Minus the endless replays Korean PDs love. Also Korean copyright around music use in variety shows is an interesting side topic.
Stumbled across this channel by chance and it’s now my favourite thing on the internet. Just perfect.
Film editing is all about creating a flow. The best films have a good flow. And editing is sometimes more about what you leave out than what you put in. And the most difficult part of the job is the willingness to be ruthless with your own work. You cant afford to be emotional about it.
I had no idea the cup thing was a thing. I never drink from paper cups, so not in a million years would I have noticed. But, film makers could easily fix that by putting a bit of dry sand or clay in the cups to match the mass of water.
First time viewer - loved it. One query/niggle: everyone knows that Richard is tall, so unless Marina is also tall, I can't get the image out of my head that the image of the two of them makes it look like Marina is sat on Richard's lap. I am reminded of tom cruise standing on a box when filming with tall co-stars.....
I would love to hear both of your opinions about an older case but still fascinating of Harper Collins publisher vs the BBC who requested an injunction surrounding the Stig from Top Gear's real identity Ben Collins when he wanted to publish his stories from his amazing career. I find it a particularly weird waste of licence fee payers money in court to protect the anonymity of a character who on the one hand people loved being anonymous but also the driver deserves to be able to write about his time as the Stig as there's some great behind the scenes stories to one of the most successful factual programmes ever made. Ben has a great CZcams channel and has a talent for content creation and presenting so it would have been a real shame for the BBC to have silenced him for the sake of character anonymity.
I hesitate to call boxing a "nonfiction sport" these days.
With Richard married to Ingrid and part of the Doctor Who family we want to see him playing an Ice Warrior like Bernard Bresslaw did. A cyberman will also be acceptable
My son’s art teacher once told me that there is no such thing as talent. Just dedication training and practice
Empty coffee cups has long wound me up to distraction and I think understanding why they're empty (not containing liquid) is pretty straightforward (and if not blindingly obvious then easily explained as you did in this pod cast so thanks for that). But that's not what winds me up about it. It's the lack of acting ability to convey a cup with boiling hot liquid in it. With all the effort actors put into portraying realistic emotions and actions, why do they, almost universally, seem to have zero desire to even bother pretending that fresh cup of coffee has weight to it and must be handled with care, just so it's believable? That's the thing that gets me. It's not just the weight (which is clearly a problem highlighted in some of the clips you showed, which were hilariously bad), it's how the actor takes that first sip. Anyone who routinely drinks hot coffee or tea from those cups knows that first sip is an act of care driven by absolute fear of not knowing exactly how hot the drink is (as the actual heat is insulated by the cup). Why don't actors just... act that? If they're not waving it about as they talk (which is the worst example and makes me wonder if they actually went to any sort of acting school :D) then they're tipping it at their faces as though it's empty, or at the very least, filled with a cold soft drink, convincing me they're drinking anything but a hot drink.
Also... if I was a production designer, I'd just have the cups be filled with something solid if actors can't simulate the weight themselves. Then all that's left is for the actors to learn the basics of acting so they're not throwing that boiling hot liquid at their faces like it's cold milk. But I guess no one thinks this is important (I think it is :D)
Occasionally, you do see an actor do this right (and I don't think the cups have liquid in them, ever... it makes sense that they don't). If I was an actor, this would be the one thing I'd add to my resume at the top: Can actually act drinking hot coffee convincingly. I may not be an expert at acting but I am at drinking coffee from those cups and I'm 100% sure I could do this :D
Great epsisode as ever. Ive got a question.... Why is there this obssession with the media using socia media posts by the general public to make a story about nothing. I see it all the time. "Fans are saying...", "People are outraged..." etc etc and it seems that it's based on maybe a few posts that have been shared rather than any actual reporting of anything of substance. If you use this... Call me Michael... not mumbles ha ha (and you can include that in the question if you want ha ha)
"viewers all have the same issue with x" really makes me annoyed! And it'll just be an article with a few tweets from viewers blowing something out of proportion.
EMPTY CUPS! I feel so validated that I'm not alone that it is distracting and takes me out of the scene completely!
How hard would it have been to put just water in them?
OR stuff the cup with Pla-Do to at least add the proper weight?
I love this show it's the first time i've seen it.
I've got some misophonia going on so certain sounds cause an irrational sense of anger in me. For some reason, the sound of hot water being poured is so much more upsetting to me than tempid water. I don't like either sound, but the sound of hot water is so much worse. I am not at all shocked that people can easily tell the difference by sound.
Why is this so different to the spotify version I just listened to? And why did nobody mention that the youtube and spotify versions are so different?? As a fan of the show, do I have to listen to it in two different places to get all the content, and therefore also manually skip the bits that overlap?
That video came out yesterday I think. The wonka one
I listen on both places and yes it’s quite confusing that it’s been spliced differently. Hopefully a one-off?
@@Lezzyboy87 Yeah what I mean is that this video has segments in it that weren't in the spotify episode, which until now I assumed was the full podcast. Don't get me wrong, I love the show and more content is great. I think it just could have been signposted in some way, as I now don't know where to go for the actual full podcast. And I would rather not have to listen to it in more than one place to get it all, especially as there is overlap.
@@EddiearchI think they are trialling combining the main podcast and the Q and A podcast into 1 video
Channel 5 can get a documentary aired about the sinking of the Titanic even before it’s hit the sea bed.
Levels of drink in glasses changing magically onscreen .
That American accent Richard! Brilliant!
That is *the* best American accent I've ever heard!!!!!!!!!
It was good with one exception: there are some eastern Americans who say “idear” instead of idea, but most Americans don’t, and folks in California definitely won’t.
The boxing thing is ideal for streaming services because they rely on gimmicks and people binging the new shiny to sell subscriptions rather than putting out quality content that will keep those subs running concurrently. Very little longevity in modern shows and those that do have the direction hijacked to maximise the audience rather than building something worth watching. The concept of ever decreasing sequels rules streaming.
In fairness reason there hasn't been a Undisputed Champion HW Champ is because there is an extra belt since Lennox Lewis achieved the feat and the Klitschko Brothers understandable wouldn't fight each other
About the "Waste of time meetings".
When Richard Osman says: "Meetings with American executives", does he mean his Thursday Club series isn't going to be made into a film or series by Americans?
I hope it's going to be made by Brits:
More tasteful, more realistic and relatable characters, geographically correct, right accents and I could go on for ages.
American movie companies have the big bucks but not a clue.
MPs are not allowed laptops in the chamber because of the typing noise, iPads are permitted though.
“Unboxing videos” 😂
The only problem I have with this podcast : I prefer the longer format but I love getting 2 episodes per week 🤷🏻♀️ you are great!
Hi Marina & Richard
Really love the podcast, great insights
Brought the ed zwink book to read on holiday
Question for Thursday:
Richard Not asking for specifics, ( I’m not the taxman! ) and sorry to bring this down to grubby lucre, but In genera terms is your on screen career more or less lucrative than your off screen production career?
Richard Jackson
Usyk does use hate to sell his fights, nor does Joshua. I think others as well as myself find it a turn off when boxers engage I silly trash talk.
'Steamy Romp' people have them in newspapers all the time but never in real life....or is just me missing out
Oh god I hate boxing. It’s my belief that until we realise two people hurting, beating each other, is inherently, inhumane and anti civilised social behaviour. But I love you two.
Air fryers Vs. Aliens
Was the fyre fest documentary on Netflix too late? I felt I didn't care by the time that came out.
One more thing about empty cups. You surely do not have to have them full of liquid. Fill them with something that resembles the weight of a liquid and your actors will carry them as if they have liquid in them. It's about weight.
So next week we will get a channel 5 documentary on "Where is The Princess of Wales? The Katespiracy" 😅
What a world we live in!
Michael Spicer must be the source of the recent empty cup furore
If I pour water from a kettle into a cup I can tell instantly if I'd forgotten to boil it.
Do you believe we all have a documentary in us ? I’ll be taking my script ideas to channel 5 for development from now on, thank you ! Keep an eye out for celebrity tram journeys & famous peoples hidden toy collections !
Is this the best place to submit a question? I realise that in itself is a question, however, here goes. The Apprentice - do they actually get ready in 20 minutes? My wife is convinced there is no way that the boys, let alone the girls could manage that in such a short time. How many bathrooms do the houses have? And how come someone different answers the phone at 5:00am? Do they have a rota?
If there was a props company who made special "pre-filled cups" that didn't spill but still had the weight of liquid in it, using some kind of goopy gel maybe, would do very well. Also if all acting schools could give frequent lessons on fake eating, fake drinking, fake computer keyboard typing, fake musical instrument playing, and fake "texas switch" in-camera transitions from stunt person to actor, would be well worth everyone's time.
Double walled cups have been a thing in the magic world for years.
So DISAPPOINTING that when Richard was talking about Logan that there was no mention of him scamming people with crypto/nft, and that the opponents that he has had sofar have been small nonames
Just asked ChatGPT to write a list of boxers names:
Sledgehammer Smith
Viper Vargas
Razor Rayburn
Phantom Fury
Titan Tornado
Hammerhead Harrison
Avalanche Alvarez
Cobra Cole
Blaze Brooks
Thunderbird Thompson
Tyson Fury is still the best AI name
Any of us that are sensitive to are sound environments are not surprised by the boiling water factoid, and most of us could tell by Marinas demeanor and gesticulations that she would be an obnoxiously loud typer. I would be surprised if Richard actually is as most tall people are conditioned to walk on egg shells and tip toe through public situations. I think he’s just trying to make marina feel better.
Re: 48:12
The one that comes to mind
The Big Bang Theory
S3.E11
The Maternal Congruence
Penny and Beverly clear shot glasses at the cheesecake factory change levels on almost every edit angle change, the continuity issue takes away from the otherwise great scene
Several showjumping trainers have been banned for animal cruelty, including electrifying training fences. Another rider was banned for wearing a Mankini.
I would watch all show jumping events if electrified fences were mandatory.
These celebrity fights are just a smidegeon of a level above bum fights. No one got poor underestimating the taste of people.
Really, what’s the difference between a fast turn-around documentary and a news magazine special?
I'm surprised that Richard didn't know that most of us can tell whether it's hot or cold water being poured. I thought that was perfectly normal.